Mini 1762: Game Over

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vote blue blooded toffee

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Who knows? I'm a newbie. I've hardly seen anyone's meta. I've seen one game you're in and you replaced in on the last day. Also, good to know you're annoyed when your losses are mentioned. Will keep that in mind.

I'm not saying that a wagon would go through. But it is still a bullet and a scummy one at that. I'm saying that you're planting the possibility of it in people's minds at the start of page 2. You can call me annoying. Mentioning a possible lynch at this point though is a red flag.

Scum would allow this wagon to go through, if it exists. Are you scum?

You're not fooling anybody

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Nino claimed to be a newbie to me before the game.

Not confirming or denying whether she actually is but that's what she said and I'm somewhat inclined to believe her.

I think I've played with two of her alts

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<_<

>_>

Innocent, if she's not fooling anybody then why are you not voting her?

Because I've seen her do that before as town, not alignment indicative

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Implosion u seeing scum anywhere else? I think I've found one.

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Okay niño it's possible I have u confused with somebody else

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Relax it's a game...lots of people play with alts around here to hide their meta

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You are aware I'm voting BBT right?

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Implosion u seeing scum anywhere else? I think I've found one.

This wasn't in reference to BBT implosion.

Town points to RC and implosion tho they picked up on the right player tho.

unvote BBT
Vote kirroah

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I am not getting the kirroha wagon. /: Am I scum as well for expressing concern over her getting 2 votes? That seems to be the justification and it is feeble.

I am Innocent is suspicious for jumping on kirroha after that random vote without explanation on BBT earlier. Also I would rather not slacken the BBT wagon before BBT gets back. We need answers from him.

Sorry if I am just being slow, but I am really not seeing this. And I am kind of scumreading Innocent now. "Right player"? "Found scum"? You seem way too certain and you hardly posted any reasoning, only jumping aboard what other people have posted which are relatively unconvincing.

You too Innocent, and same question. Why jump from BBT to kirroha? I can't think of any reason for scum to express concern over a BBT lynch unless BBT is also scum. And if you think BBT is also scum, then you will keep voting BBT, because it is better to get the more aggressive scum lynched.

Kirroha dropped an early game scum tell. Before jumping on him I wanted to see if anyone else noticed it. Helps me get some town reads.

As for BBT, I'm not sure his alignment yet. Was hoping to get a read on his L-2 reaction, but the going off to bed now I can't figure out.

Inks entrance is very townie. Like him and RC a lot, implosion a step behind them.

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The vote from kirroha on ink was just terribad btw.

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Oh and regarding the last paragraph in the quote I just posted from niño...scum defend town too. You are aware of that right?

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Kirroha - why vote ink, and not Syndesis or implosion, while he provided supposed "misrepresentation of the facts", the others provided no reasoning at all? If you're town then that would be much more scummier.

This.

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What early game scumtell? You have to explain it to me. I'm slow, sorry.
I am 90% sure now that kirroha is town from reading her posts. Will explain briefly if needed.
Innocent is looking more town now that he explained but I still need more clarity. A kirroha lynch right now does not benefit town.
And I still like a BBT wagon. VOTE: BBT

If kirroha is scum how does that not benefit town?

I don't disclose my early game town or scum tells sorry. Thought process being if I do, scum in future games will change their actions to avoid looking scummy/try to hit on the town tells.

I can link many games for anyone interested.

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Actually this was a good one:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=525

Check out post 538. I disclose the same reasoning as well as successfully hit on élysé (and massive too) D1.

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Kirroha is my focus right now but trust me I'm not ignoring anybody.

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unvote kirroha

for now

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Because I didn't like ur vote

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Why not vote me then?

Cause I'd like time to think.

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Most of my early game tells are suggesting ur town which is directly going against my gut.

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His crumb is often a scum role too

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I originally thought him and nino might be masons, but that wasn't his crumb. So now I'm more curious than ever why she is so sure he is town

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Maybe not then

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I assume it was a watcher crumb

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unvote kirroha

for now

@mod I think you may have missed this unvote in your last vote count

@all catchup coming soon, at work right now

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Ink where are you leaning?

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I'm null on BBT, so if we nearly run out of time I'd vote him over kirroha. It doesn't have to be a two-wagon thing though, I think there's a fair chance of them both being town.

I'd prefer to lynch one of Killthestory, RadiantCowbells or ShortcutButton.

That's not to say that I agree with the points kirroha raised about ShortcutButton, they're terrible.

I like that list and may join you soon, but first I feel the need to start a new wagon.

vote rubixxx

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Interesting that 8 different people have voted kirroha and 7 different people have voted BBT. That's more than half the player list.

I'm starting to suspect both are town.

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Vote Count 1.6

BlueBloodedToffee

(5)

: Raskolnikov, RadiantCowbells, Syndesis, tojam2, NinoMasaki

(L-2)

kirroha

(3)

: implosion, BlueBloodedToffee, ShortcutButton

(L-4)

Syndesis

(2)

: kirroha, Killthestory

(L-5)

ShortcutButton

(1)

: kirroha

(L-6)

Killthestory

(1)

: ink

(L-6)

Not Voting

(1)

: Rubixxx

With 13 players alive, majority is 7 today.

Previous VC has been edited due to a mistake pointed out in

#244

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Mod you have kirroha on here twice and me not at all.

As of this post I have kirroha voting syndesis, not shortcutbutton.

Also as of that post I did not have a vote out there.

Fixed ;-; -TheCow

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Oh and that vote of mine is mostly because we're now on page 11 and rubix has yet to cast a vote.

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Scumread: Kirroha, Nino, BBT.

My scumread on BBT is waning when I think about it more, however. Scum has the pretense of feeling cautious in these type of scenarious, and disregarding any meta a scum member theoretically would not bring himself to such attention unless, frankly, he's bat shit crazy or a good player.

I get neither of those feelings from BBT, just the sense of comfortableness that most town members seem to possess when they joke around and type. It's a common thing for town to be so stupid and silly rather than cautious. Cautious = Scum.

I'm saying tunneling the read based off a crumb and not in game behavior hasn't worked out for me, and I was 99 percent sure

Again
That was one crumb
This is an extremely different crumb (again an assumption)
Plus it isn't just the crumb on its own, it's her behavior around the crumb.

once again, similiar situation

im telling you not to tunnel yourself around the basis of the crumb but her inherent actions and goals she's conveying thru her own agenda

Last u mention kirroha u had a scum read of her. Has that changed?

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i literally just said it

How about you say it again for those of us to dense to see it.

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To Innocent: Now that it is clear that kirro is town, do you still townread RC-senpai for attacking kirro?

I am actually questioning my earlier town reads on both RC and implosion at the moment. Ink is my strongest town read and I really like his scum hunting efforts. You get ink to swing over to RC and I'll join both of you.

As for rubixxx I don't like how active he started being after I voted him and pointed out his lack of contributions. Still my lone vote isn't doing much there, so I'll move it, but want the group to know it isn't cause I feel any better about his slot.

Ink is totally right about the progression from story's scum to town read on kirroha. There was no natural progression I still don't know exactly what it was that changed it. Willing to join ink here.

unvote rubixxx
Vote killthestory

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Why is nobody voting Shortcut? His actions make absolutely no sense as town and make plenty of sense as scum. He's ridiculously scummy and the only reason why there's no wagon on him is because he hasn't posted anything in a while since his last scummy post. Come on guys.

Shortcut is another player that deserves a wagon. Not ignoring you, just need to vote in blocs is all. You get ink to join u and I'll vote shortcut as well.

@everybody, current reads/willingness to vote RC, killthestory, rubixxx and shortbutton

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The VT crumb, 8 of 12 people voting that slot, the AtE feels townie have caused me to question my scum read on her. I'd prob label her as lean town at the moment.

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VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee
You know what you did

I just noticed you haven't changed your RVS vote yet. Scum reads please?

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What is AtE feels?

See appeal to emotion in the wiki page. Kirroha used a bit of it, for example, if u lynch me and when I flip town you'll have no real leads D2. I usually don't like these statements but I felt kirroha was being genuine vs trying to appeal to fear.

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I'd vote IaI right now.

Yeah this needs an explanation.

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Kirroha what's ur read on killthestory?

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The one game I've read of BBT, he was crazy active and pushing everything as Town. Here it's like a complete difference and lurking/active lurking? Idk all these terms fully and don't really care to know but what I do know is this shift of BBT's personality.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bbt

Can u provide a link to this game?

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Implosion, killer, ?

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I find it kind of strange that even though generally quite a lot of people seem to agree that Shortcut might be a viable lynch today, it's so hard to form a wagon on him. On the other hand, wagons on BBT and me happened so quickly it's ridiculous. That alone is making me even more inclined to think Short is scum.

Essentially, if a lynch happens way too fast on D1, it's probably town, or scum being bussed. Either way we're playing into scum hands. That's making me iffy about lynching BBT.

Any thoughts on similar struggles to get a kill wagon going.

Interesting how as soon as ink and I have pushed that people start attacking/trying to discredit us.

Makes me feel great about this vote.

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More kill votes please.

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Pretty sure the scum team is kill/rubix/implosion, tho there's a slight chance it could be RC instead of implosion.

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You know what Ink what do you think of Innocent. I need you to be as unbiased as possible as you look through his posts because it seems to be that he's trying to use your scumreads to push mislynches.

Interesting, so you cHoose not to list your own reasonings for the lynch but then call the other person's terrible all the while not even explaining why?

And then you have another explained lynch and then me, which I failed to see how any of your points regarding me were even decent.

Question, do you think Ink's top lynches would be viable mislynches for scum to push?

You know what Ink what do you think of Innocent. I need you to be as unbiased as possible as you look through his posts because it seems to be that he's trying to use your scumreads to push mislynches.

Anyway, I'm getting an off feeling about Ink/Innocent duo. "Willingness to vote?" It's like asking towns approval for a scumread.

I'm not saying both are scum, by they're definitely feeding off each other. Or at least one is buddying to the others scumreads.

Let's lynch this yet?

She can't work out whether townreading or scumreading me will be more effective in saving her skin (hint: having a town role PM helps). In 338, she sounds like she knows I'm town. In 248 and 336, she's trying to make me look scummy.

I continue to townread IAmInnocent.

Probably because while I'm definitely not townreading you or even liking some of your posts, I do accept that I doubt you're scum in essence, but I don't doubt Innocent. Out of the duo, Innocent would be my scumread since he seems to be pushing you to push your reads instead of making his own. He seems to agree with most things you say, too.

And do you town read him anyway? Is it because he agrees with you at any turn? You realize that's a serious case of buddying, and you're going to have a hard time not having a bias reading him, but I'm pretty sure Innocent' s buddied you and fed off your reads since he seems to agree with everything you say.

My previous post was for implosion.

Kirroha what's ur read on killthestory?

I didn't have any kind of read on Killthestory, but I get what you mean that his swap from scum!Kirroha to VI!Kirroha was way sudden and I also see no real basis for it. But I still did kind of find his attempts at getting people to pitch in quite genuine. Furthermore, I'm not sure why scum!Kill would want to pick a fight with an Ink/Innocent duo because I can't see what he can potentially get out of it. So I am still not sure about what I'm feeling about his slot. Yet I think at this point I'm damn well convinced that Shortcut is scum and that if Kill is scum too, he'll be scumbuddies with Shortcut.

And wrt Shortcut/Kill:

VOTE: kirroha

placing my vote where the scum is

You don't like my quote? What a weak statement.

And yet you choose not to respond to it?

What a weak defense

So everyone who's shitting around should either replace out or start contributing since it's not in town motivation, and everyone who's complaining about those shitting around should do the same as well

Kill has pointed out one of my beefs with Shortcut, which is that he doesn't really respond to anything and just dismisses everything.

I'm null on BBT, so if we nearly run out of time I'd vote him over kirroha. It doesn't have to be a two-wagon thing though, I think there's a fair chance of them both being town.

I'd prefer to lynch one of Killthestory, RadiantCowbells or ShortcutButton.

That's not to say that I agree with the points kirroha raised about ShortcutButton, they're terrible.

Interesting, so you cHoose not to list your own reasonings for the lynch but then call the other person's terrible all the while not even explaining why?

And then you have another explained lynch and then me, which I failed to see how any of your points regarding me were even decent.

Question, do you think Ink's top lynches would be viable mislynches for scum to push?

Anyway I've responded to everything regarding myself, so I'll respond to other shit later when I'm off mobile and not as medicated.

But on the other hand Kill tried to imply that a Shortcut lynch would be a mislynch that scum would be trying to push.

With that said I can potentially see a Shortcut/Kill combo but it's very faint. Innocent, do you think a Shortcut/Kill team is likely?
Also Ink, why did you not agree with my reasons for voting Shortcut 232?

I didn't try to imply Short was a mislynch, but instead brought the possibility to play to make a case against said duo. It was, in short, momentum of a semi-scummy post in which wasn't explained that I used to back my case up.

Do note that if Short flips scum I don't see Ink being scum, but I have no mention of Short from Innocent. I don't see Ink double Decker bussing him like that, but as I said, no mention of short from innocent.

No I'm good.

Do you guys still see the duo of pressure from these two?

Is it just me or nah?

Please give two instances where I followed ink on a wagon? What's that??? You can't........oh so you were just misrepresenting the whole time. Thanks for the scum claim

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You know what Ink what do you think of Innocent. I need you to be as unbiased as possible as you look through his posts because it seems to be that he's trying to use your scumreads to push mislynches.

And how would you KNOW they are mislynches?

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unvote killthestory
Vote rubixxx

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I am inclined to read Rubixxx as town. He's not lying about his depression.

I guess I still don't understand the correlation between these 2 sentences.

What I do see is both times rubixxx has received votes he suddenly becomes very active.

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I agree.

I'm somewhat interested in lynching IaI after that crappy naked vote.

BBT/Ink my favourite lynches at this point in time though.

Are you even reading this game?

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See here's my problem. When I'm scum I have that mindset. It's all about not getting lynched.

As town I don't care if I die. My goal is to find scum. If my death helps with that so be it.

I'll make a deal with u, you vote kill with me and I'll stop pressuring u D1. Deal?

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See here's my problem. When I'm scum I have that mindset. It's all about not getting lynched.

As town I don't care if I die. My goal is to find scum. If my death helps with that so be it.

I'll make a deal with u, you vote kill with me and I'll stop pressuring u D1. Deal?

Hah, that's a very tempting offer, but how about I make YOU a deal? You take you vote off of me, and I won't make you

suck DEEZ NUTZ

Deal?

That's okay ur reads (if they're not made up) suck

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Why that quoted the wrong rubixxx quote I'll never no lol

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*know

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Taishagal time to claim

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Yeah shorts voting history is very bad (niño, kirr, and BBT) + this lurking near deadline hints at scum hoping a wagon will disappear.

unvote rubixxx
Vote taishagal

Kill is also still a great wagon

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Yeah I actually don't like this wagon. There are too many people who seem too willing to stay on the wagon this late when we don't have any recent information on the person being wagoned.

Yet ur vote continues to be unused. I see town implosion doing less talking and more doing.

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Rubixxx's reads are really awful, and I think in a scummy way. Like, he kept shifting me up his list just because I continued to call him scum. He puts kirroha at the top of his town reads despite scumreading him before, it seems like it's just because that wagon dissolved. His reads seem an attempt to mirror the overall opinion of his townclique thing (people who yell and spam).

The way he speaks kind of annoys me too, I won't deny that's some part of why I'm voting him.

Yeah his appeal to fear was off the scum chart. He is softing very hard so I'm willing to give him a day or two. If he is still alive by day 3 with no night info, I will take that as a scum claim.

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damn you cow why would you do this to me I didn't even read the thread
Gimme a day or two I have to sleep soon.

There's only 2 reasons someone would be upset like this:

1) they're town and not happy starting at L-2
2) they're scum and not happy starting at L-2

Scum has to fake stuff to dig out of that hole. It's not easy. Be much easier to lurk.

Town on the other hand has a starting point...who are the scum on my wagon. I've seen none of that, I've seen lurking.

I originally thought short was the easy town mislynch, so I avoided that wagon. Kill (and later rubixxx) voting that slot kept me off of it. Rereading kills ISO and that could easily be a bus vote for town cred. Rubixxx my read is starting to waiver a bit. Like I said to ink I'll have a better feel about rubixxx if still alive on day 3.

Implosion if you want to vote kill, I'll be happy to make that t-gals counterwagon with u. I'm sure ink would join us.

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Why did you react the way you did in your first post? And why are you not claiming?

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Your last 3 posts have been oh so amazing, not sure how I ever thought u were scum.

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unvote taishagal
Vote kill

No longer just a naked vote (and a good counterwagon to the lead)

I'm fine with either

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We need two wagons, so unless you were to move to BBT or kill, you should stay put. Force replace ain't going to happen.

Kill dropped a scum tell. He is also playing very safe. Getting a wagon on him is near impossible which also gives me cause for concern.

But the biggest tell is the white knighting. Read the thread and see how many people suspected ink or myself of being scum:

Before we started attacking kill
And after we pushed for him

It is actually quite dramatic the difference.

Pretty sure he is scum. RC and implosion know my track record as town and since they both were among those white knighting kill I'll strongly suggest one of them is scum if kill flips as well. The fact neither are even listening to me causes me great concern too.

With that said tgal is acting scummy too. Why she hasn't replaced out or claimed is beyond me. She is not a bad 2nd choice.

I don't think BBT is scum.

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Not confident in BBT because his wagon reached l-2 by page 2. Admittedly he did joke claim scum but it's just that - a joke.

Just because of how quick a wagon hits doesn't mean it should be taken much less seriously or even taken more seriously. It's just simply a wagon. I'm not sure why you used this to have a sense of direction regarding BBT, but I don't feel it's appropriate.

Kirroha/BBT are my primary scumreads atm.

On the basis that I asked questions about BBT? I'm feeling uncomfortable about his suggestion of Nino as a possible policy lynch, so I would be more than happy to vote him if he wasn't already at L-2. I'm curious as to whether Nino considers the same suggestion a scumtell, because that would reaffirm what I'm feeling from his post (i.e. trying to get a soft wagon started on Nino on the basis of 'policy'). Nino had 2 votes on her at that point, so I'm not buying BBT's implied "a wagon isn't going to start on you anyway" excuse.

Can't get much of a read on anyone else yet. I like Nino, though.

You like Nino? For what, yelling about how she's not an alt and not actually contributing thus far? And then the fact that you have no scumreads currently when there's plenty to pick apart?
VOTE: Kirroha

Not feeling good about BBT but the fact that his wagon moved so fast worries me. There must be scum on that wagon for it to progress as fast as it did.

I need to sleep as well.

Just because of how quick a wagon hits doesn't mean it should be taken much less seriously or even taken more seriously. It's just simply a wagon. I'm not sure why you used this to have a sense of direction regarding BBT, but I don't feel it's appropriate.

kirroha should be town. I think BBT is bad and you should keep your vote on him senpai.

wtf?

She's talkative in a way that isn't cautious about the kind of stuff she posts. She seems cautious about people pushing too hard in RVS, but that's a different thing all together, and she usually is from what I can briefly see from her last game (which is in 2014?) http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=39545 Sorry I can't phrase it properly, not the best with English, but that gives me a strong "gut" feeling that kirroha is town, at least more than the rest of the people who posted so far.

I agree with her regarding BBT's policy lynch message. Also there is no benefit to town in him saying "I am scum." To say that is very anti-town because it creates confusion and not much else. But then again, scum won't want to draw attention to themself either... So I will try to look at BBT's meta to see if it is something he normally does as a joke or something.

Senpai, if you think kirroha is BBT's buddy, why would you take your vote off BBT (who you think is scum)? Just wondering.

What the fuck? 'She's cautious, but she isn't cautious.' Ok? I mean, like, if you're not confident in RVS pushes you should speak up and truly push your agenda, and I haven't seen Kirroha to be pushing anything as of recently because as you said she's

cautious.

In my mind, scum is the only one to be cautious due to the fact that pushing someone for the right reasons should make you confident, not the opposite. That is, unless you're trying to play a dangerous game of forcing a mislynch from the backround.

Thanks for repeating shit already said.

Votes don't matter when it comes to opinions?

Gut read Nino scum.

I am not getting the kirroha wagon. /: Am I scum as well for expressing concern over her getting 2 votes? That seems to be the justification and it is feeble.

I am Innocent is suspicious for jumping on kirroha after that random vote without explanation on BBT earlier. Also I would rather not slacken the BBT wagon before BBT gets back. We need answers from him.

Sorry if I am just being slow, but I am really not seeing this. And I am kind of scumreading Innocent now. "Right player"? "Found scum"? You seem way too certain and you hardly posted any reasoning, only jumping aboard what other people have posted which are relatively unconvincing.

You too Innocent, and same question. Why jump from BBT to kirroha? I can't think of any reason for scum to express concern over a BBT lynch unless BBT is also scum. And if you think BBT is also scum, then you will keep voting BBT, because it is better to get the more aggressive scum lynched.

Nope, I don't find Innocent scummy because you don't need a reason to supply a vote, you need a reason to supply a lynch. This is still somewhat RVS, and I'm damn sure that plenty of others have placed down no reason votes. Why does Innocent strike you off when it's a common thing, especially with the use of gutreads on this site?

I'll post more in a second, but I need to take some medicine

Oh yeah this was his second post, 13 mins after his first, and yet he didn't hesitate to hop on the leading wagon.

Need to verify but I believe this was an L-1 vote.

Not the scum tell I saw but got me paying attention to this slot right away.

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Notice the not finding me scummy in that post...yet as soon as I start going after him he suspects me.

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For the record I checked and it was actually an L-2 vote by kill on kirroha, not L-1, I stand corrected.

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To Innocent: Now that it is clear that kirro is town, do you still townread RC-senpai for attacking kirro?

I am actually questioning my earlier town reads on both RC and implosion at the moment. Ink is my strongest town read and I really like his scum hunting efforts. You get ink to swing over to RC and I'll join both of you.

As for rubixxx I don't like how active he started being after I voted him and pointed out his lack of contributions. Still my lone vote isn't doing much there, so I'll move it, but want the group to know it isn't cause I feel any better about his slot.

Ink is totally right about the progression from story's scum to town read on kirroha. There was no natural progression I still don't know exactly what it was that changed it. Willing to join ink here.

unvote rubixxx
Vote killthestory

I'd vote IaI right now.

First time you mention me is shortly after I vote kill.

Look at our last completed game for starters. Implosion was in that too if u need a hint.

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Yeah I meant chainsawing not whiteknighting

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Kill care to provide reads on every player?

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You are aware that if there are two wagons and everybody votes one of these two wagons, a lynch will occur?

It's actually the stray votes and/or those still holding out on a BBT wagon that need to consolidate. So please stop trying to kill the second wagon...

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claim?

fine I'm jailkeeper eat my ass scrublords

Did u mean roleblocker?

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Yeah textbook fake claim for scum roleblocker. Sorry not buying it.

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Here's a game where scum claimed a power role D1, I didn't believe it, and scum won (he lived to endgame):

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=58515

News flash, scum fake claim to save themselves.

Kill is still the best lynch.

If you disagree with this than go for golden or kirroha (2 claimed VT)

We are NOT outing any more roles D1.

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Not confident in BBT because his wagon reached l-2 by page 2. Admittedly he did joke claim scum but it's just that - a joke.

Just because of how quick a wagon hits doesn't mean it should be taken much less seriously or even taken more seriously. It's just simply a wagon. I'm not sure why you used this to have a sense of direction regarding BBT, but I don't feel it's appropriate.

Kirroha/BBT are my primary scumreads atm.

On the basis that I asked questions about BBT? I'm feeling uncomfortable about his suggestion of Nino as a possible policy lynch, so I would be more than happy to vote him if he wasn't already at L-2. I'm curious as to whether Nino considers the same suggestion a scumtell, because that would reaffirm what I'm feeling from his post (i.e. trying to get a soft wagon started on Nino on the basis of 'policy'). Nino had 2 votes on her at that point, so I'm not buying BBT's implied "a wagon isn't going to start on you anyway" excuse.

Can't get much of a read on anyone else yet. I like Nino, though.

You like Nino? For what, yelling about how she's not an alt and not actually contributing thus far? And then the fact that you have no scumreads currently when there's plenty to pick apart?
VOTE: Kirroha

Not feeling good about BBT but the fact that his wagon moved so fast worries me. There must be scum on that wagon for it to progress as fast as it did.

I need to sleep as well.

Just because of how quick a wagon hits doesn't mean it should be taken much less seriously or even taken more seriously. It's just simply a wagon. I'm not sure why you used this to have a sense of direction regarding BBT, but I don't feel it's appropriate.

kirroha should be town. I think BBT is bad and you should keep your vote on him senpai.

wtf?

She's talkative in a way that isn't cautious about the kind of stuff she posts. She seems cautious about people pushing too hard in RVS, but that's a different thing all together, and she usually is from what I can briefly see from her last game (which is in 2014?) http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=39545 Sorry I can't phrase it properly, not the best with English, but that gives me a strong "gut" feeling that kirroha is town, at least more than the rest of the people who posted so far.

I agree with her regarding BBT's policy lynch message. Also there is no benefit to town in him saying "I am scum." To say that is very anti-town because it creates confusion and not much else. But then again, scum won't want to draw attention to themself either... So I will try to look at BBT's meta to see if it is something he normally does as a joke or something.

Senpai, if you think kirroha is BBT's buddy, why would you take your vote off BBT (who you think is scum)? Just wondering.

What the fuck? 'She's cautious, but she isn't cautious.' Ok? I mean, like, if you're not confident in RVS pushes you should speak up and truly push your agenda, and I haven't seen Kirroha to be pushing anything as of recently because as you said she's

cautious.

In my mind, scum is the only one to be cautious due to the fact that pushing someone for the right reasons should make you confident, not the opposite. That is, unless you're trying to play a dangerous game of forcing a mislynch from the backround.

Thanks for repeating shit already said.

Votes don't matter when it comes to opinions?

Gut read Nino scum.

I am not getting the kirroha wagon. /: Am I scum as well for expressing concern over her getting 2 votes? That seems to be the justification and it is feeble.

I am Innocent is suspicious for jumping on kirroha after that random vote without explanation on BBT earlier. Also I would rather not slacken the BBT wagon before BBT gets back. We need answers from him.

Sorry if I am just being slow, but I am really not seeing this. And I am kind of scumreading Innocent now. "Right player"? "Found scum"? You seem way too certain and you hardly posted any reasoning, only jumping aboard what other people have posted which are relatively unconvincing.

You too Innocent, and same question. Why jump from BBT to kirroha? I can't think of any reason for scum to express concern over a BBT lynch unless BBT is also scum. And if you think BBT is also scum, then you will keep voting BBT, because it is better to get the more aggressive scum lynched.

Nope, I don't find Innocent scummy because you don't need a reason to supply a vote, you need a reason to supply a lynch. This is still somewhat RVS, and I'm damn sure that plenty of others have placed down no reason votes. Why does Innocent strike you off when it's a common thing, especially with the use of gutreads on this site?

I'll post more in a second, but I need to take some medicine

Kill when did ur read on me change again?

[I Am Innocent]

Who are ur scum reads again? Besides me?

[I Am Innocent]

Yet ur voting me, who has not claimed yet rubixxx

[I Am Innocent]

Lean town and null respectively

[I Am Innocent]

So why would you vote someone who hasn't claimed? Ur aware I would claim at L-1 right?

[I Am Innocent]

No just when someone says I agree with IAI that they don't want any more claims, I'd assume that means they also think we should vote one of the three other players who have already claimed.

Just a weird contradiction within the same post.

[I Am Innocent]

Implosion, killer, ?

If I get lynched I'm now back to these two as my top 2 scum reads. Cop/vig if we have them, these two are great N1 targets. Town they will also be great D2 lynch targets.

[I Am Innocent]

Niño do you consider kill off limits due to his fake claim ?

[I Am Innocent]

Who are ur scum reads again? Besides me?

Almost 15 hrs later and still no response

[I Am Innocent]

Kill care to provide reads on every player?

i only provide reads on people i scumread

otherwise i hate readslist

Refused earlier for reads too.

Who prefers not to give reads?

Who usually fake claims power roles to give them self an extra day or two in the game?

Who omgus'd me an ink so hard when we pushed him.

Who quietly parked his vote on tgal and disappeared from the thread.

Who is most likely scum D1?

Town please just trust me on this one.

[I Am Innocent]

His quick L-2 vote on kirrohah in his 2nd post of the game after being MIA for a while.

To his unexplained 180 town read of kirrohah.

To the perfect fake claim to a frequent scum role (roleblocker)

The guys game is textbook scum

[I Am Innocent]

I guess bbt wagon isn't viable

VOTE: TaishoGal L-1

Interesting vote after kill wagon gets to l-3

If/when kill flips scum please look at this slot too

[I Am Innocent]

Guys a no lynch is terrible. Either vote me or kill at this point. I know golden has one more vote than kill at this point, but this kill/IAI drama needs to be settled today.

[I Am Innocent]

IAI 4 votes
Golden 3
Kill 2
Bbt 2
Tojam 1

No vote 1

About 5 hrs left

[I Am Innocent]

I'm here and will be thru the deadline.

We can discuss post game the theory but a no lynch is worse than an "obv town" lynch.

If my death helps bring down scum so be it

[I Am Innocent]

lies and slander, I have never been on a kill wagon.

This doesn't make u more townie for the record

[I Am Innocent]

IAI 4
Tojam 4
Golden 2
Kill 2
Bbt 1

[I Am Innocent]

U guys are really willing to save me over a potential soft claim?

[I Am Innocent]

Tojams ISO is pretty bad, then again, rask voting them + soft claim is not giving me much hope this is a good wagon

[I Am Innocent]

I would have expected if we were getting close to scum that kill and/or implosion would be coming out of the woodwork :-/

[I Am Innocent]

unvote kill
Vote IAI

Going with a kill/implosion/rask scum team

Also watch out for rubixxx. Syn is probably town

Good luck town

[I Am Innocent]

Use the vote histories from D1...a TON if info there!

[I Am Innocent]

And please please please lynch scum kill D2

IAI out

[I Am Innocent]

Likely town despite RCs confidence

[I Am Innocent]

It's a game girl relax. Like I don't hate my buddy implosion for drawing a scum role.

[I Am Innocent]

My feeling is we could lynch a possible power role and me and kill can go at it again D2, or we could lynch what most people see as likely townies golden or myself

I just can't see us lynching scum so removing this distraction + protecting power roles is the best move imo

[I Am Innocent]

IAI I think you're town now but you're wrong about me. If you intend to trade your life 1 for 1 like this we'll actually just straight up lose the game.

I don't know if we have the votes to avoid no-lynch at this point :/

Prove me wrong and vote kill tomorrow

[I Am Innocent]

I'm here.

I just love it how nobody finds it shady that implosion kill and rubixxx are all MIA as we scrounge to find the best town to lynch

[I Am Innocent]

Yeah feeling better about golden and rask.

[I Am Innocent]

I'm here

[I Am Innocent]

Cause u figured I'm vanilla?

[I Am Innocent]

Implosion who was the scum on my wagon then?

[I Am Innocent]

can't believe this actually happened >_>

For the record this is a first for me too :-/

[I Am Innocent]

synd or rask maybe? Idk. They've both felt vaguely town to me too though. I could be wrong on either of them or rubixxx. Or kts. Like it really could be anyone. Or even no one, possibly. It's also possible that scum were lurky near deadline so they just didn't hop on. Although ink is the only person who didn't post after you got wagoned.

So you just voted kill before me, yet he is the least likely to be scum on my wagon?

[I Am Innocent]

I'm completely flabbergasted that kill flipped town

Vig shot on bbt slot?

[I Am Innocent]

VOTE: Ink

You need to get in here because you've done shit all. Where were you during the deadline?

That vote can easily change to rask/syndesis

wtf why was bbt so hard to wagon if he was town

scum probably tried to stay off the mislynch wagon, idk

GR, why did you say scum prob tried to stay off of the BBT mislynch wagon to rask, who you just listed as a top 3 scum read in the post before? Someone who voted BBT FIVE times D1?

[I Am Innocent]

Implosion what's ur read on rask and GR?

[I Am Innocent]

VOTE: BBT Well it's worth a try, I'll replace out overnight, I don't have enough time for this game, good luck town, thanks for a good game scum, bye!!

Yeah the way Tojam popped in late at the deadline scramble to cast a vote on BBT (later flipped town) plus thanking scum for a good game (just weird) and his successor who has had 3 crap posts...

...consider my vote on beeboy too for all intents and purposes.

inb4 GR yet again reminds us beeboy is LA/V til Monday.

[I Am Innocent]

Ink what's ur read on GR?

[I Am Innocent]

IKIKIKIK I am doing nothing but I am going \/LA soon I promise on monday I will read this game.
It feels pointless to read and then go \/LA. I forgot I was going to detroit when I replaced in :/ I also expected the day to start faster.

It's Monday.

vote beeboy

L-1 peeps

[I Am Innocent]

Yeah that is a crap load of posts both today and yesterday.

[I Am Innocent]

In case my new slot can't figure it out. The crumb code was 13 letters.
I am \/T
\/anillaTownie = 13 letters

How did u know the key when ur predecessor created it?

[I Am Innocent]

Niño can u give us a full list of reads similar to GR?

[I Am Innocent]

Vote Count 2.3

beeboy

(4)

: NinoMasaki, kirroha, implosion, Raskolnikov, RadiantCowbells

(L-1)

Ink

(3)

: Golden Robster, Syndesis, Rubixxx

(L-3)

RadiantCowbells

(1)

: ink

(L-5)

Not Voting

(2)

: beeboy, I Am Innocent,

With 11 player alive, majority is 6 today.

(expired on 2016-03-14 18:30:00) remains in Day Two.

beeboy and NinoMasaki are being prodded for inactivity.

We can't no lynch again, so I suggest targeting a lynch within the next 2-3 days.

Right now I have

Beeboy 4
Ink 2
Implosion 2
RC 1
Synd 1

Beeboy not voting

Need to start consolidating votes down to 2 wagons

Of the two above I think I endorse beeboy and implosion the most.

[I Am Innocent]

I would like ninos reads before day ends too as she is probably the hardest player for me to read right now.

[I Am Innocent]

Beeboy has requested replacement
Beeboy has claimed VT
Beeboy has not cast a vote this day (or at all)
Tojam cast 4 votes which includes BBT and a self RVS vote
The reason people were skeptical of voting this slot D1 was because of fear they were a town power role. With the VT claim this should no longer be the case.

It's time to hammer. We're not no lynching again

[I Am Innocent]

Says the guy who helped contribute to the no lynch D1 cause he refused to move his vote off BBT

[I Am Innocent]

Not my best game ever as far as reads goes, so thanks to all those who helped me get a town win.

Nice props to rask for not giving up there at the end I could feel his frustration lol

And thanks to the backup mod for reviving this game.