Mini 507: Big Brother Mafia - Game Over

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/confirm

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Yay the game is started!

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Flare why you gotta hate on me before the game has even started?

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Whatever... you don't have a right to judge me! You've never even played a game with me... this is what I think of your judgement! *sticks tongue out* (note: the whole sentence is sarcastic, as I assume all of flames comments are).

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EBWOP: Flare's comments... not flames... gah...

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Which ones? If they are over that is.

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Pablito said he would tell us how the first HoH will be picked after scum can't talk anymore.

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WOOT ROCKIES!!!!!

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They are my second favorite team. (Rocks fan since '98 myself)

But I am a born and raised Angel Baby... So I have had a really fun filled season!

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Wow... I definitely didn't expect to be the HoH day 1 thats for sure. Thanks for trusting me everybody! So yeah lets discuss how/who should be put up for eviction.

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Ebwop: How we should decide/who people think would be good choices...

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I think that that is a good idea, but don't bold votes methinks? I'll keep track of the voting since I don't get a vote. I want to try to have my nominations before the deadline (like day 5 or 6) so I will probably take the vc on one of those days and make my nominations if everyone is ok with that?

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I will be keeping track of the nominations as the HoH... We didn't want to make any more work for you Pablito!

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yeah... I was really hoping we would have a few more posts out of this by now...

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Me thinks if posting doesn't pick up I will just have to pick two random people for the nominations...

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You know whats really odd... flare is one of the people lurking... I have half a mind to go kick him in the shin for threatening me with such for the same actions...

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I was wondering if you had just not looked at the thread... It seemed awful weird to me that you were posting and then just not all of the sudden.

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1600 EDT... so I have to have them by 2 pm Mountain time... I will probably be submitting my choices by Midnight on Saturday (Mountain Time again).

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Ryan I will probably end up choosing the two people with the most nominations on them, even if they don't have a majority of the town nominating them, or two people who are blatantly lurking.

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I understand that viewpoint very well, and agree with it in this type of game.

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I agree with you. I don't vote lurkers in normal mafia either. But with time constraints and the such we don't have much of a choice here.

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I will give it a few more hours but right now the front runners are Trabony(most nominations against him), and Pug(has 4 total posts and is one of the people tied for the second most nominations).

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Well at least you show you are paying attention by responding to me. Which will definitely be taken into consideration when I try to decide on my final nominations.

Also I understand what you are saying, and I will have to look at that more closely too.

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I will

Nominate

Trabony

because the house feels that he is hurting them more than helping them even at this early point.

and

Flare

becuase he threatened me, and now is exhibiting the behavior that he threatened me for. Also he is not helping the house at all.

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Okay I am on a computer with the list saved on it now.

Nomination count:

Pug89 2

Trabony 4

Ryan 2

Ckillor 2

Flare 1

ChaosOmega 1

PickemGenius 1

Vel-Rahn Koon 1

STD 1


I ended up picking Flare instead of one of the people with 2 nominations because of what Pug said. I find it very suspicious that he posted a lot before the game started, and then basically disappeared once it had.

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Are you saying that what Pug pointed out, and why I took it into consideration is not a valid reason?

I mean yes I listed his threat to me, but it was more of a flavor of the game thing than anything else.

What I'm saying is that while I listed his threat, the real reason I nominated him is that he has lurked excessively once the day has started. He was prodded. Showed up to say, that he was glad I couldn't lurk, and then went back to lurking.

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Dang... you've already caught on to the fact that I have a secret hidden nazi agenda... can't believe you did it that quickly!

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I'm up for a Dragon Alliance! Us Dragons have to stick together.

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What you mean to say is people think that they should try to slay dragons and fail... it usually ends in their demise. But what they don't realize that if they just left the Dragons alone the two races could get along very well.

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^^
Its posts like this that make me even more sure of my nomination of him.

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I nominated him because he was lurking. Whether it would get him to post or not wasn't important. A lurker in a game that runs on a time limit is bad for the town.

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EBWODP: Also he had picked up a prod already and showed up to say that he basically had no idea what was going on, and went back to lurking. What was to stop him from doing that through the whole game?

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Dude, Pickem, you are putting words in my mouth.

Also there is no need to get hostile. You need to chill out.

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I agree with Vel that what Pickem is doing isn't scummy actually. I think him and I are miscomunicating, and I'd like to figure out what I'm missing that he is saying.

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I agree with Vel that what Pickem is doing isn't scummy actually. I think him and I are miscomunicating, and I'd like to figure out what I'm missing that he is saying.

I'm saying you nominated Flare because of lurking (which you've said) but that you nom'd him basically on the premisis that you thought he would continue lurking. am i right?

Yes, because I feel that in a game with time limits like this lurking is much more harmful to the town than in normal mafia, and so my nominating was on the assumption that either he was following what was happening, and would immediately start posting, or that he was actually lurking and wouldn't post anything, and both would give us info on him. It is obviously the later, but he posted saying he would say something, and has once again gone back to not saying anything, so I still feel that my nomination is very well justified.

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I can't justify a nom of someone who isn't lurking like that no.

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This isn't what I intended at all. But I understand why it had to happen, and I'm sorry to Skruffs and Distad.

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I would pick two people the town didn't like that were active so that replacements wouldn't automatically be in hot water when it happened. But that only works on day 1 when I have what the town wants, and small inklings of what is going on to go on.

Day 2 or later, and you look at potential conections between people and nominate people who could very likely be scum with each other, or two people who could very likely be from the two different scum groups.

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I'm alright with being on the block tomorrow too. After all I've got nothing to hide.

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You want to know who I would nominate if I was HoH again tomorrow Skruffs?

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Mneme would be someone I looked at very closely for it because I think you have made some very good points about his arguements.

For the other one PEG, or Ckillor because the two of them have been participating but not really saying anything.

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Skruffs I don't get a vote as HoH... I just nominate the people for eviction. I have been very quickly realizing how this game has to be played differently than normal mafia over the past few days, and I admit that choosing the "safe" options (as you put it) for nomination was the wrong thing to do on any other day than day 1. But with so little info before I made my noms I feel it was the best play. I regret that you and Distad had to replace into that situation, but do not regret my decision (mostly based on how quiet the town was being leading up to my nomination deadline).

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We need to get some discussion going today (in game time) before the nominations happen unlike yesterday when basically people nominated and then stopped talking leading up to the deadline.

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I will

nominate mneme and ckillor

Mneme will probably call my nomination of him omgus, but he was my top suspect yesterday, and I really don't like the posting he has done so far today. Post 377 reeks of scum trying to make the town believe they are town by saying that they thought distad was probably town yesterday. Anyone can make that statement, and I don't like how he made it.

ckillor because he has still posted nothing of content, and keeps checking in to let us know he is here. He keeps saying I will post something later, but never does.

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Wow... you sure proved me wrong...

First I didn't talk about my suspects as the day went on until Skruffs asked me. Just because it came after your post saying I should be on the block today just on principle doesn't mean anything, and you can try to twist it all you want, but thats just the way it is. Since I did not talk about suspicions of mine at all after my nominations until I was asked about it your trying to say I didn't mention you as scummy before you said anything is null.

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Ryan you are the only one who keeps pushing Chaos. Everyone else seems okay with his vote, and I don't know that it is productive for you to keep pushing this.

Plenty of people have been sliding under the radar while this arguement has been happening though, and I would like to hear from more of them.

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This game seems to be stuck in a pattern of slowing way down around the nomination times. We need more discussion. Especially from the two nominees.

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I don't really like how either of them are reacting right now. But after today I think I have to agree that ryan is a better choice than mneme... he has been acting a lot more skittish with all the attention that has been on him than mneme has. I still have misgivings about mneme, but I am not nearly convinced he is the play for today anymore.

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Vote Ryan

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EBWOP: Like I said earlier, I feel that he has been too skittish/defensive to be town.

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Way to go guys. I'm actually happy that Skruffs got made the HoH because I am fairly certain he is town.

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I will

nominate Mneme

for the same reasons I nominated him yesterday.

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I'll have to reread before I decide who I will vote for.

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After rereading I will

Vote Vel-Rahn Koon

because I agree with the case against him much more than the case against Faerie Lord.

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I still think Mneme is an excellent candidate... but I will have to reread before figuring out who else...

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KScope do you have any more reason for suspecting me than you did on day 2?

As for my second nomination

Kaleidoscope

... I have to go but I will write my reasoning later.

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I'm here I just got back from Vacation today. I will post why I was suspicious of Chaos, and about the noms tomorrow because I am really tired right now.

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My two noms would be:

Chaos: Becasue I don't feel he has ever presented any ideas of his own and is content to lynch whoever everyone else wants to. I do not find him helping the town at all.

Mneme: Because I've wanted him on the block again ever since the first time he was up there. (I've posted reasons before).

Elmo and the reason Chaos came up is because of my reread. Sorry the explanation of Chaos as a choice is later than expected everybody.

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Also

vote Farside 22

I feel really hate the two noms we have today...

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KScope I know you know how my name is spellled... Anyway I'm gonna stick with

Nom: Mneme, and Kaleidoscope

Btw I got myself mixed up yesterday (game day) Kscope was the one I feel hasn't contributed anything of his own and only parroted other people's opinions not Chaos... I don't know when they got switched in my head but they did.

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Welcome back farside!

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I find it interesting that both nominees have basically stopped talking at all since their nomination. Especially since Mneme was so active before hand.

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I find the events interesting as well. I will need to go read up more on FaerieLord's interactions with other players in the game before I make my decision on who to evict.

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@Elmo. I didn't know it lead to an eviction either way. I thought it would tie. That way I could save myself the pressure + save both protown players.

Backfired :/

I think this statement is rediculous. All you have to do to know someone will be evicted is read the rules of the game.

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vote KScope

not that it matters at this point.

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Why exactly do I beg to be nominated Elmo?

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1. FaerieLord
2.Mneme
3.Elmo
4.Pug89
5.Me

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Dude I've been talking about a kscope lynch for two days first of all. Second of all The only thing you talk about as evidence of me being linked to Kscope is that I say my vote didn't matter at that point?

Here is what happened. I had finished my reread, and decided Kscope was more likely not linked to ryan, and since we had to lynch someone not linked to ryan I voted him. But he was already lynched at that point so my vote didn't matter.

Neither of my other two statements are proof of anything. I wasn't even looking at Faerie lord yesterday because he wasn't on the block and then skruffs used his power. The other statement is me showing why him saying that he thought no one would be lynched is rediculous. Trying to use those statements as proof of why I'm scummy is scummy in itself.

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I love that both people who think I should be evicted have no actual proof of any scummy action I've taken.

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So what about noms?

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[/b]vote kuribo[/b] I don't have time to give my reasons right now, but I will post them later tonight.

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Sorry everyone I was on vacation and thought I would have a chance before I left to use a computer but didn't. Anyway I agree that of the two nominees pug is the way to go.

Vote Pug89

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I honestly don't know how I managed to get out of the game without being nommed once on principle. But hey I followed mneme's lead early on and pushed against him all game with him pushing back, and I think it worked fairly well for at least the first few days.