⭐ Blitz 20 — How To Be Normal [Game Over]

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VOTE: Ranger

She has to be scum eventually.

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I prefer town every time, only weird people prefer scum.

I'm gonna stick a serious vote out, pisskop usually has a bigger impact than this.

VOTE: pisskop

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I just checked like 10 of your games excluding ones I played and you were town in all of them.

Link to the scum game you feel you performed best in?

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Pretty surprised at scum reads on me but it seems universal so okay I guess, must have made a bad impression.

pisskop i'm not sure what you want addressed but here goes. You mentioned it was opportunistic. This was because it was the 3rd vote? I actually didn't realise you had picked up 2 RVS votes. The statement itself - that you usually have a bigger impact - Well, most (possibly all) your games with me you have replaced in at a developed stage and immediately started spamming. I was aware of the difference, however that game was fairly stalled for a Blitz so I was just picking on something minor, mainly for reactions to help me get some reads and get the game moving. I guess it was successful in that respect, just not the way I had intended.

Spiffeh's concern:

Like the way he's emphasizing that it's a serious vote makes me think he wants everyone to know that he's contributing.

The emphasis was for pisskop to know it was serious and see if he reacted in a town way. By the time I made 73 I didn't feel pisskop had notably towned so I left it on. Since then, notably his reaction to the death, I actually do find pisskop town.

VOTE: unvote

Coming to the death, I think the bulletproof day-SK theory is the most likely. If it's a day-vig scum power in addition to a night kill ability then it's almost certainly a 1-shot thing and it would be a reckless waste to use such a power so early. pisskop you mentioned me using it as a distraction - I have more confidence in my play than that. And it clearly isn't an effective 'distraction' as my wagon has grown since it happened. I think it's more than safe to assume scum of some sort caused the death though, if it does turn out to have been a town day vig i'll be furious.

Reads.

Ranger - I have a mild scumread here. I feel she has been lot more chatty about things not related to scumhunting. She has posted a couple name lists, which is really easy to fake and on it's own does little for me. She has been very chatty about setup discussion, and made a fairly detailed response when I asked about other games, but has done very little in the way of actual scumhunting for the amount of posing she's done. I've not had a chance to look at the scumgames yet but i'm not expecting that to have a major impact on my read at this point in the game.

GuiltyLion i'm initially liking for town due to 40 and this comment:

Xtoxm wagon is better but I also feel like Xtoxm would have stronger scumplay than this

As the votes on my wagon go, Spiff and pisskop's feel like genuine scumreading. Droog and SRMP's don't strike me in the same way, and I think the reasoning SRMP gives for a 4th vote on my wagon is really poor.

In all, this is where i'm at:

Town reads (most of them mild)
GuiltyLion
davesaz
3dice
Spiffeh
pisskop

Not town reads
Some Random Mafia Player
droog
The Bulge
KTthecreeper
Almost50
Ranger

None of those lists are in any kind of order.

I can expand on any of the reads if people want.

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I'd quite like to get a wagon going that isn't me.

I am finding KT really underwhelming, in all of his posts, he has made no attempts to scumhunt and is pushing droog-slot over for replacement.

VOTE: KT

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Well, at that time of my 3rd post that was about par for the course. No one had really done anything yet. Then I was away from my comp when the actual posting starting. I'm not planning to just lurk and avoid contributing all game. But, ok. Your immediate unvote does seem like a town reaction.

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Yeah, Ranger is scum in this game.

Town seems pretty fucked already because there's no willingness to work together.

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meh. I feel like he would know how to fake scumhubnting and I wonder if it isnt a show but I have nothing on him rn

Hm okay. I'll sheep you on xtomx if he keeps playing like this, but I got town vibes from his big post.

I'm not sure what more I can do show my alignment. I've been more open and made more attempts to scumhunt than most people in this game but it's looking almost certain i'm today's lynch.

Spiffeh slot is absent and likely will be until deadline. I think that's a town vote that vote be moving from my wagon. Droog slot is now also going to be absent. I don't have much of a read at all there, but I guess I have to bank on it being scum to have any chance of not being lynched. pisskop I think is town tunneling and that vote clearly won't be moving.

I do actually think Nos's posting redeems the scumread I had on KT to some extent, so VOTE: unvote, VOTE: Ranger. I initially didn't like his 'expand on all your reads and also do yourself', and felt like he was simply being antagonistic and getting ready to omgus me but on further thought and in combination with his other posts, I can see it coming from town.

Lion:

I don't know why you're insisting on calling Ranger town despite believing she's being anti-town. If something is actively anti-town, it's more likely to come from scum. Especially a player like Ranger who has a consistent record of being a strong town player. In addition her reads have shown little or no development since her first list of page 3. Her response (or lack of) to my content has made me a lot more confident in my scumread there, because I really don't think she would respond in that way as town. It's a lot more difficult to fake development on reads as the game progresses, and she's sticking to her original reads on you and me despite clearly more town posting coming from both of us. I would ask you to reconsider voting her.

SRMP has also grown into a town read for me. I think he's showing an actual desire to solve this game, and given the game state there's really very little reason for scum to need to do this.

I'm not sure about Almost. I think some of his posting has looked town, but as others have mentioned I didn't like his 'convince me' post, and I don't like his defense of Ranger either.

3dice:

What is your read on Ranger and would you be willing to join a wagon there?

So, is this what you want 3dice? I guess this is my final reach out to a town that doesn't want to work with me.

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I don't have much of a read at all there, but I guess I have to bank on it being scum to have any chance of not being lynched.

Let me get this one straight: Your most upper priority is to evade the lynch rather than find real scum? Because the way you phrase it give me the impression you're just looking for a scapegoat to get lynched in your stead.

Honestly; I do not mind lynching droog either (but to a lesser degree than 3dr), but the way you phrase it makes me wonder how on earth I'm supposed to trust you for the rest of the game if you're #1 concern is self-preservation and not the town's best interest.

I find this quite unrepresentative of what i'm doing. I haven't at any point called for a lynch on Droog, and it's quite clear that i'm trying to wagon my primary scumread, which is Ranger. I'm obviously open to compromising if the alternate option is myself, which goes for any townie, and I feel like you should know this.

@SRMP: I liked Lions 40 because it called out the lack of activity. Scum are more likely to sit back and ride with it. The other comment I quoted it was the reason he gave that I liked, not the conclusion specifically. I did mention at the time that this was a mild read, however Lion has become a solid town read with his more recent posting.

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Xtoxm I'd prefer a Ranger lynch over your lynch for sure. But it makes me uncomfortable how Almost is townreading her and SRMP is scumreading her and I'd really like to work that out first today to some degree if I can

I'm not sure what you feel needs sorting with SRMP. I have him as fairly solid town now. The ease of posting and inquisitive nature are at a level beyond what I expect from scum. 304, 318, 328 are examples of goodposting from him. He's also been pushing Ranger as scum for a long time which is a strong point in his favour.

50 I do find quite awkward. Some of his posts are pinging hard such as 245 and 311, but some of his posts look town to me such as 327 and 339. Ultimately I could compromise here due to his continued hard defense of Ranger, but I have a decent amount of doubt that he's going to flip scum. He's at least here and contributing to the deadline crunch, whereas Ranger is (thus far) ducking it entirely which is objectively more scummy.

We're around 15 hours from deadline and we need to start consolidating votes. I'd really like to flip Ranger today. She has had no reads development since page 3, is pushing probable all town, and is currently ducking the deadline crunch in this game whilst being active elsewhere on site.

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All of my posts as scum in Suikoden were one liners, lying about my meta won't get you far.

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anyone around..?

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If us 3 pool our votes, we could get Nos to L-2, or bulge/almost to L-3. 50 posted elsewhere on site recently so he might also help.

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SRMP - as we're both here and the only ones voting Ranger, we need to move as it clearly can't happen today. What is your preference of the other options?

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SRMP - as we're both here and the only ones voting Ranger, we need to move as it clearly can't happen today. What is your preference of the other options?

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Alright. Really not happy with the level of inactivity in this game and how limited our options are.

VOTE: Almost

I'll be around until deadline if another wagon gains speed.

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post tomorrow

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I'm not seeing what Nos said as a slip.

Bulge is giving me scum vibes and his lack of interest in yesterday's deadline makes me want to kill him.

Ranger remains a solid pick for scum.

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I'm here.

I don't really like lynches on either of Nos or SRMP. I guess I prefer Nos.

Lion, I understand your argument but just disagree with the conclusion. I can see town doing what he did.

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4 hours left guys. Are we lynching me, srmp, bulge? Now would be the time to make your cases for any wagons other than me.

You still around?

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Lion, 3D - Current stance on Ranger?

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Would you vote there? I'd rather do that than the current options.

If Nos turns up, it may be possible. This is the 2nd day Ranger has ducked the deadline crunch, i'd like to point out.

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VOTE: Ranger

A guy can try.

I'll move when this goes nowhere.

Nos - Give me a reason to vote SRMP over you.

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3dice are you going to vote?

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I've been scumreading her all game. The only thing that gives me pause is her downgrading of me from scum to "my current bet for SK" in 397. This did only come after I pointed out her lack of reads progression, though.

She has shown very little desire to push her preferred lynches, despite being fairly solidly townread by most of the game. Last time I was a universal townread, I used it to drive flashwagons on my scumreads.

I'm also used to seeing far, far better than what she's giving here, when she's been town in games with me.

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That said, it's deadline and I don't see it happening again so it's time to compromise.

I agree with the sentiment that if Nos is scum he's probably the SK, and i'm more concerned about mafia right now.

VOTE: SRMP

At the very least, if this flips town hopefully people will reconsider the Ranger townreads. At worst, i've been wrong all game and he'll flip scum.

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Holy shit.

Why do scum even bus like that. He literally enabled yesterdays scum lynch.

Agreed that the 'townslip' is bad.

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No lynch would been the better play. If you guys hadn't wagoned and outed me, that is, but i'm probably getting lynched if I don't out. I can clear myself by setup spec.

Cop
N1 - No result
N2 - Ank is town

Bulge first imo, and if it doesn't end the game, i'll do my best to report a result before I get Day-SK'd tomorrow.

VOTE: Bulge

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Also - I get results in the form 'town' 'not town', as opposed to 'mafia/not mafia', so i'm pretty sure SK isn't immune to me.

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The N1 no result was on Bulge, if that matters, but most likely I was just roleblocked.

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i'm voting Bulge, mod.

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So where the fuck is our investigative?

Why does this setup have a maf RB?

When no one cc's me, im literally clear by setup spec.

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Someone going to hammer?

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GG!

Thanks for the Cop role Marquis, that was fun.

Reading through the PTs, it looks like everyone, even scum, had no idea I was cop until I claimed. That's what I was going for. Thought i'd gone and got myself RB'd N1 but it was actually the SK commute.

I feared the worst on D1 with the slow pace, IC kill and wagon on me, but we brought it round.

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Also - really like the setup Marquis, especially the day-SK mechanic.

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If you ever do a day-SK again, can you please make it not kill on day 1?

Perhaps a cool-down of not within the first 50% of D1 deadline timer?