⭐ Blitz 20 — How To Be Normal [Game Over]

[Some Random Mafia Player]

VOTE: Some Random Mafia Player

RSV = RANDOM spam voting, right??

noooo


VOTE: Almost50

You ruined my plan, must OMGUS and lynch.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

UNVOTE: Almost50

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

the mod is clearly town, look at his posts

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Not voting.

Y U take us out of RVS?

why do you want to stay in RVS?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

The bulge might be scum

The bulge might be scum

Oh nice, spiff is probably town.

I know its page 3, but if your going to say this can you at least tell us why you have these reads on them?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I know its page 3, but if your going to say this can you at least tell us why you have these reads on them?

Why'd you single out 3dice here when Ranger is giving a full blown unexplained readslist two posts above you?

Xtoxm wagon is not a bad wagon but I like my vanity vote as it stands

I honestly missed that tbh

ranger, explain your reads, and all that on page 3?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I know its page 3, but if your going to say this can you at least tell us why you have these reads on them?

Why'd you single out 3dice here when Ranger is giving a full blown unexplained readslist two posts above you?

Xtoxm wagon is not a bad wagon but I like my vanity vote as it stands

I honestly missed that tbh

ranger, explain your reads, and all that on page 3?

Why do you believe it's necessary that ranger or I explain our reads at this point in the game?

because you cant just say someones town/scum with no justification.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I know its page 3, but if your going to say this can you at least tell us why you have these reads on them?

Why'd you single out 3dice here when Ranger is giving a full blown unexplained readslist two posts above you?

Xtoxm wagon is not a bad wagon but I like my vanity vote as it stands

I honestly missed that tbh

ranger, explain your reads, and all that on page 3?

Why do you believe it's necessary that ranger or I explain our reads at this point in the game?

because you cant just say someones town/scum with no justification.

There are some people who do really early reads like this so often that it's considered abnormal if they don't. And others for whom it's abnormal to have strong reads in the 1st 20 pages.

how does that justify not explaining your reads?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Also, why are we assuming it was a SK vig? Are those normal either?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

The point is it wasnt a normal role that resulted in RC's death. Doesnt matter who or what did it.

FTR, Im sticking to the mafia dayvig unless its explicitly blacklisted.

It may have been town dayvig, if the vig wanted to 1. Removing neg utility or 2. The claim was scummy and vig dident trust it.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Still not normal. Theres an allowance for 1 nonnormal role in a mini normal game. Like this one.


Claim if youre a town dayvig. Otherwise its an antitown move.
We have zero evidence for an SK, and any talk about a second faction before we have proof will be treated as a potential slip

actually, when host was advertising setup he told us there was 10 town, 2 mafia, and 1 sk

so your wrong, we know theres a sk.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

not setup, game, w/e

[Some Random Mafia Player]

im still on my RVS? Damnit

UNVOTE: Almost50

[Some Random Mafia Player]

{3dice, RadiantCowbells}
{Almost50, TheBuldge, pisskop}
{droog, Spiffeh}
{davesaz, KTthecreeper}
{Some Random Mafia Player, Xtoxm}
{GuiltyLion}

How was this formatted? Was top least scummiest and bottom scummiest or something?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

still waiting for dice to explain their bulge and spiff reads.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

still waiting for dice to explain their bulge and spiff reads.

And you never answered why I need to justify these reads.

because your intentionally not giving info to the town that could be useful. The things you think someone is scum for may be things that everyone else completely missed. If you dont tell us your reasoning we might never realize that someone did something scummy because nobody would notice.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

ranger, explain your reads, and all that on page 3?

How about...no.

So you have no reason for those reads, just put them there randomly?

still waiting for dice to explain their bulge and spiff reads.

And you never answered why I need to justify these reads.

because your intentionally not giving info to the town that could be useful. The things you think someone is scum for may be things that everyone else completely missed. If you dont tell us your reasoning we might never realize that someone did something scummy because nobody would notice.

Same question I gave to him goes to you Ranger.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

[/quote]How about...no.[/quote]

still waiting for dice to explain their bulge and spiff reads.

And you never answered why I need to justify these reads.

because your intentionally not giving info to the town that could be useful. The things you think someone is scum for may be things that everyone else completely missed. If you dont tell us your reasoning we might never realize that someone did something scummy because nobody would notice.

Same response goes to you ranger, correcting my last post since I fucked it up (if this doesent work im gonna rage)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

So you have no reason for those reads, just put them there randomly?

Never said that!

then you must have reason for them, why do you not want to put reasoning for them?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

VOTE: Mochaman

start talking imo or the lynch stays

[Some Random Mafia Player]

why do you not want to put reasoning for them?

Because I am a troll.

RIP troll nuuuu

but on a serious note, got any real reasoning?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

VOTE: Mochaman

start talking imo or the lynch stays

ERm, I don't know how to put this to you, mate.. but I'm afraid Mocha's no longer with us. He has been replaced by droog.

...

UNVOTE: Mochaman

...

[Some Random Mafia Player]

VOTE: Xtoxm

actually IN THE GAME, and only 3 posts

start talking m8.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Pretty surprised at scum reads on me but it seems universal so okay I guess, must have made a bad impression.

pisskop i'm not sure what you want addressed but here goes. You mentioned it was opportunistic. This was because it was the 3rd vote? I actually didn't realise you had picked up 2 RVS votes. The statement itself - that you usually have a bigger impact - Well, most (possibly all) your games with me you have replaced in at a developed stage and immediately started spamming. I was aware of the difference, however that game was fairly stalled for a Blitz so I was just picking on something minor, mainly for reactions to help me get some reads and get the game moving. I guess it was successful in that respect, just not the way I had intended.

Spiffeh's concern:

Like the way he's emphasizing that it's a serious vote makes me think he wants everyone to know that he's contributing.

The emphasis was for pisskop to know it was serious and see if he reacted in a town way. By the time I made 73 I didn't feel pisskop had notably towned so I left it on. Since then, notably his reaction to the death, I actually do find pisskop town.

VOTE: unvote

Coming to the death, I think the bulletproof day-SK theory is the most likely. If it's a day-vig scum power in addition to a night kill ability then it's almost certainly a 1-shot thing and it would be a reckless waste to use such a power so early. pisskop you mentioned me using it as a distraction - I have more confidence in my play than that. And it clearly isn't an effective 'distraction' as my wagon has grown since it happened. I think it's more than safe to assume scum of some sort caused the death though, if it does turn out to have been a town day vig i'll be furious.

Reads.

Ranger - I have a mild scumread here. I feel she has been lot more chatty about things not related to scumhunting. She has posted a couple name lists, which is really easy to fake and on it's own does little for me. She has been very chatty about setup discussion, and made a fairly detailed response when I asked about other games, but has done very little in the way of actual scumhunting for the amount of posing she's done. I've not had a chance to look at the scumgames yet but i'm not expecting that to have a major impact on my read at this point in the game.

GuiltyLion i'm initially liking for town due to 40 and this comment:

Xtoxm wagon is better but I also feel like Xtoxm would have stronger scumplay than this

As the votes on my wagon go, Spiff and pisskop's feel like genuine scumreading. Droog and SRMP's don't strike me in the same way, and I think the reasoning SRMP gives for a 4th vote on my wagon is really poor.

In all, this is where i'm at:

Town reads (most of them mild)
GuiltyLion
davesaz
3dice
Spiffeh
pisskop

Not town reads
Some Random Mafia Player
droog
The Bulge
KTthecreeper
Almost50
Ranger

None of those lists are in any kind of order.

I can expand on any of the reads if people want.

you do actually know, I was only voting you so you could start talking, and I clearly stated that, why are you trying to say it wasent actual scumhunting and thats scummy when I never voted you for being scummy? My lynch on you never came from scumhunting, it came from your 3 posts all game and im trying to make you decent posts. It worked as you posted this.

UNVOTE: Xtoxm

[Some Random Mafia Player]

You set up your post with the intent of getting someone to jump on.

The way you set it up was to strawman anyone who voted you afterwards, regardless of what reasons they gave. That is evident by the fact that you did it even though I provided no reason at all.

You aren't trying to figure out my alignment, you are trying to strawman me, and it's pretty scummy.

Read 90 again while reading back, and im pretty sure 90 was a joke if anything, no reason to build a case on it. But thats what you did here. Why try and build a case on someone using a joke post as proof?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

[/quote]Because I don't think scum!Ranger would be this bold in defending her reads the way she does.[quote]

but we dont know if they are reads or a bunch of names in random order, if they were reads they would have reasoning. Wheres the reasoning?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Xtoxm, what about 40 makes you think guilty is town? I see nothing to make him town there, and what you actually show us is him not scumreading you. How does him not scumreading you + 40 make him town? I don't see it at all.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

but we dont know if they are reads or a bunch of names in random order, if they were reads they would have reasoning. Wheres the reasoning?

NO. That's what I'm trying to say. She does NOT provide reasoning. She posts her reads just the way she did. I even did a comparison in my joke post (90). The reads format was exactly the same in her previous game with me.

Then how the fuck do you townread them for it?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Are you scum reading her?

I guess you could say that, I see 2 naked readlists, and thats about it. Everything else was about the dayvig or their meta

2 naked readlists with no reasoning is nothing to have a strong townread over, and I dont see why you think otherwise.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

2 naked readlists with no reasoning is nothing to have a strong townread over, and I dont see why you think otherwise.

Fair enough, I guess. I do understand how you feel bc that's how it felt -more or less so- in my previous game with her.

Then again, that is not a good enough case to convince anyone to vote her, is it? I mean, if it only goes down to gut feeling and/or not liking her posting style then we will have to agree to disagree.

Here's why (but it's not directly related to this game, hence the spoiler)

Spoiler:

I have only 2 completed games on this site. At first I found it very odd and somewhat irritating for someone to give naked reads or -even worse- place a naked vote. However, I can give you a list of players who consistently do that on this site, and it was acquired through just 2 games. SnarkySnowman, RadiantCowbells, GoodMorning, Wednesday, Ranger are just some of them. Now with the exception of Wednesday -who was a 3rd party yet "sort of" town aligned- all other 4 flipped town. RC was on both games and was town on both. That's how my view of such behaviour changed from considering it scummy on its own to a null tell in general. However, if any of those fore-mentioned does it and there's nothing else in their play that would make me suspicious I get to town read them bc that's their meta. Now I have yet to play with someone who does this who flipped scum or a potentially harmful 3rd party.

I hope this makes sense. 5 players, 6 occasions, all play the obscure/cryptic way, and all town aligned vs none playing this way and flipping scum.

From what I understand, you read ranger as town because they post naked read lists as town. So you are trying to tell me doing something scummy is a town move? They are easy to fake (and they make it look like their doing something productive, which they arent, they are actually just posting names.)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

the most credit I would give them is null, I wouldent call them town because I see nothing townie or even very related to the game tbh.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

OK.. so let's just say "null leaning town" for me, "null leaning scum" for you, and pending more posts from her on both cases. Does this work for you?

its not null leaning scum tbh, its just straight up scum. They contributed nothing through 8+ pages. Gonna place my vote as clearly im not putting my vote anywhere else.

VOTE: Ranger

post something helpful to finding scum, naked read lists that dont explain anything arent helpful.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

{3dice, RadiantCowbells}
{Almost50, TheBuldge, pisskop}
{droog, Spiffeh}
{davesaz, KTthecreeper}
{Some Random Mafia Player, Xtoxm}
{GuiltyLion}

why

I think I have reached the correct conclusion here.

So we have 3 factions in this game. Mafia is unable to shoot at RC because mafia dayvig isn't normal.

That leaves town and sk. RC claimed PGO, so if you consider that, a town player has absolutely no reason to vig RC. If they do, they not only risk hitting town, but they risk getting themselves killed.

That leaves only sk. What I think about the sk is this: If they have bulletproof, then it makes sense that they might take the shot at RC, since it would mean no harm to them. RC is also a strong player in general.

This leads me to believe the sk has at least one dayvig shot, and has bulletproof.

sk dayvig isn't normal either. Bulletproof doesn't make sense because PGO only activates at night.

@3dicerolling: That's some perfect analysis and conclusion. I very much like you vote target too. Here's your reward:

VOTE: 3dicerolling

My "skewed manner of thought" was an obvious joke, but it obviously did harvest something. Now you can go on and call it OMGUS or whatever, but I can't see one reason for you to vote me except me "jokingly" pointing a finger at you and -inadvertently- hitting the bull's eye.

buddiying person who states obviously wrong information

Also, why are we assuming it was a SK vig? Are those normal either?

questioning wrong information. Either actually is unsure or sees this information and wants to lowkey discredit.

VOTE: Almost50

FoS: srmp

not done making comments on everything, but I've skimmed through.

im actually unsure, its not stated anywhere if sk dayvig is normal or not. Besides, I have been here 2 weeks, I wouldent know how to figure it out yet.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Radiant Cowbells

>you knew they werent in the game

FoS pisskop

I have no reason why to vote for the dead confirmed player (who you knew was dead) but im gonna be safe and assume its a scum move.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I have no reason why to vote for the dead confirmed player (who you knew was dead) but im gonna be safe and assume its a scum move.

this is terrible

"I don't know why you did this, therefore it's scum"

pisskop's post wasn't even a vote for RadiantCowbells

I took it as one, because it was bolded, and IDK what to assume, what was it?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Spoiler: worthless stuff I really didn't need to read

Pretty surprised at scum reads on me but it seems universal so okay I guess, must have made a bad impression.

pisskop i'm not sure what you want addressed but here goes. You mentioned it was opportunistic. This was because it was the 3rd vote? I actually didn't realise you had picked up 2 RVS votes. The statement itself - that you usually have a bigger impact - Well, most (possibly all) your games with me you have replaced in at a developed stage and immediately started spamming. I was aware of the difference, however that game was fairly stalled for a Blitz so I was just picking on something minor, mainly for reactions to help me get some reads and get the game moving. I guess it was successful in that respect, just not the way I had intended.

Spiffeh's concern:

Like the way he's emphasizing that it's a serious vote makes me think he wants everyone to know that he's contributing.

The emphasis was for pisskop to know it was serious and see if he reacted in a town way. By the time I made 73 I didn't feel pisskop had notably towned so I left it on. Since then, notably his reaction to the death, I actually do find pisskop town.

VOTE: unvote

Coming to the death, I think the bulletproof day-SK theory is the most likely. If it's a day-vig scum power in addition to a night kill ability then it's almost certainly a 1-shot thing and it would be a reckless waste to use such a power so early. pisskop you mentioned me using it as a distraction - I have more confidence in my play than that. And it clearly isn't an effective 'distraction' as my wagon has grown since it happened. I think it's more than safe to assume scum of some sort caused the death though, if it does turn out to have been a town day vig i'll be furious.

you think it's plausible but didn't bother to read the normal guidelines?

Reads.

Ranger - I have a mild scumread here. I feel she has been lot more chatty about things not related to scumhunting. She has posted a couple name lists, which is really easy to fake and on it's own does little for me. She has been very chatty about setup discussion, and made a fairly detailed response when I asked about other games, but has done very little in the way of actual scumhunting for the amount of posing she's done. I've not had a chance to look at the scumgames yet but i'm not expecting that to have a major impact on my read at this point in the game.

GuiltyLion i'm initially liking for town due to 40 and this comment:

Xtoxm wagon is better but I also feel like Xtoxm would have stronger scumplay than this

As the votes on my wagon go, Spiff and pisskop's feel like genuine scumreading. Droog and SRMP's don't strike me in the same way, and I think the reasoning SRMP gives for a 4th vote on my wagon is really poor.

In all, this is where i'm at:

Town reads (most of them mild)
GuiltyLion
davesaz
3dice
Spiffeh
pisskop

Not town reads
Some Random Mafia Player
droog
The Bulge
KTthecreeper
Almost50
Ranger

None of those lists are in any kind of order.

I can expand on any of the reads if people want.

go ahead an explain all of them. And give an introspective read on yourself. Be brief with everything except the last one.

comments in blue.

pedit: oh yeah, believe me, I noticed.

tbh if your gonna question Xtoxm on naked reads, ranger and 3dice did the same thing 5 pages earlier than him.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I have no reason why to vote for the dead confirmed player (who you knew was dead) but im gonna be safe and assume its a scum move.

this is terrible

"I don't know why you did this, therefore it's scum"

pisskop's post wasn't even a vote for RadiantCowbells

eh, probably should have asked him what he was doing, jumped to conclusions too quickly

and tbh, if I dont know the motive for it, why should I assume it was a town motive when it may have (somehow) helped advance his scum agenda?

pisskop wtf were you doing.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

since some people might actually ask me how I know sk dayvig isn't normal:

Roles which are explicitly Normal for Serial Killer only include:
Serial Killer, Investigation-Immune, Ninja, Strongman, any roles listed as "for any alignment"

>but nos, it says "any roles listed as 'for any alignment'"
you'd still be wrong, because when you check roles listed as "for any alignment":

Roles which are explicitly Normal for any alignment include:
Bodyguard, Commuter, Sane Cop, Doctor, Follower, Gunsmith, Jack of All Trades, Jailkeeper, Motion Detector, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Roleblocker, Rolecop, Rolestopper, Tracker, Universal Backup, Vanilla Cop, Voyeur, Watcher

notice the lack of a vigilante in this list.

pedit: protip: when you don't know the motive behind something, you ask.

I honestly never checked what roles were normal, as I never needed to know that until now.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I blame formatting error, you can probably figure out what was already there and what I just wrote.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

and tbh, if I dont know the motive for it, why should I assume it was a town motive when it may have (somehow) helped advance his scum agenda?

this in particular feels egregiously disingenuous. RC is dead, literally nothing scum!pisskop could do involving RC would advance a scum agenda more than his death already has.

VOTE: Some Random Mafia Player

how could I know if it could advance it or not? im not his scumbuddy, I dont know if their plans involve that or not.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

how could I know if it could advance it or not? im not his scumbuddy, I dont know if their plans

involve that

or not.

Involve what? What did you think pisskop was doing?

You thought it was a vote, I pointed out that it wasn't a vote, and now you're still trying to suggest that it was some nefarious scum plan. That feels scummy as hell.

no, I did think it was a vote, what I dont know is if that was furthering a scum agenda or not. Also, if I was scum why would I need to ask the question and put myself in this position? Wouldent I already know if what pisskop was doing was scum motivated (if he was my buddy) or town motivated (if he wasent)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

what I dont know is if that was furthering a scum agenda or not.

And also - how would voting a dead player advance a scum agenda?

I dont know, im not scum, I have no clue what they planned.

Eh, my accusation was pretty bad now that I thought it over, but probably too late now.

last post im making about this, its not really taking us anywhere tbh.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

KTthecreeper gets some scum points for pushing on the droog slot for replacing out. Weak scum.

I'm like 95% certain KTthecreeper is town.

but has done very little in the way of actual scumhunting for the amount of posing she's done.

That would be because there's very little in the way of actual content worth scumhunting. My opinion on matters is mostly unchanged.

It goes without saying: not sure which of {Xtoxm, GuiltyLion, Some Random Mafia Player} is the serial killer and which of them are the mafia, but I'm relatively certain between the three you've got all the scum this game.

This is both off of their individual posting, bad interactions, and POE on everyone else being town.

yes, im scum when I contributed more than 2 naked readlists and this post, if you were town, why not contribute more than just state your reads with no reasoning?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

but on a serious note, got any real reasoning?

Yes, I do!

if you got real reasoning, then why deny posting it? And no, stating a bunch of a names in some order for no reason is not content.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

if you were town, why not contribute more than just state your reads with no reasoning?

Well bluntly, because I can.

My reads list is speaking volumes for me.
I don't need to give the attached reasoning when simply posting the list conveys plenty.
If I ever feel my reads list is inadequate by itself, then I will elaborate.
But I hold no such feelings at this time, so I'll continue not giving the reads list.

then your not really doing anything but posting random names from my knowledge, so your not actually doing anything.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Speaking of which...

{3dice, pisskop}
{Almost50, TheBuldge, droog}
{Nosferatu, Spiffeh}
{davesaz}
{Some Random Mafia Player, Xtoxm, GuiltyLion}

Also, based on my knowledge im getting decently townread (well, I was, and a majority probably still reads me town but IDK) so you might wanna try and convince otherwise.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Hopx on Xtox plz

You need reasoning too m8

why is nobody explaining anything this game

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Also, based on my knowledge im getting decently townread (well, I was, and a majority probably still reads me town but IDK) so you might wanna try and convince otherwise.

Fortunately, your own posting is showing why you are scum, and I don't need to do anything. They'll see it with time. Maybe not immediately, but with a scumflip or two (not to mention a nightkill or two to go along with it), scum become increasingly obvious.

You are also, incidentally, not my focus right now. I'm still voting GuiltyLion, and could easily move to Xtoxm, so frankly I don't need to focus on you until I want you dead.

My lists might strictly speaking be simply ordering names, but when analyzed, you can realize where these conclusions come from. So simply by virtue of me listing you as a scumread, I've done my work.

I actually don't know how to respond to this post, so putting me at the bottom of a random list of names is all you were planning to do? Is that really it?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I dont see why people are still on Nosferatu. For now its a waste of a lynch, and as of now they dont seem scummy (although 3 posts probably doesent indicate anything, as of now we might as well place are votes on actually scummy ppl rather than the guy who subbed in tho.)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Also, based on my knowledge im getting decently townread (well, I was, and a majority probably still reads me town but IDK) so you might wanna try and convince otherwise.

Fortunately, your own posting is showing why you are scum, and I don't need to do anything. They'll see it with time. Maybe not immediately, but with a scumflip or two (not to mention a nightkill or two to go along with it), scum become increasingly obvious.

You are also, incidentally, not my focus right now. I'm still voting GuiltyLion, and could easily move to Xtoxm, so frankly I don't need to focus on you until I want you dead.

My lists might strictly speaking be simply ordering names, but when analyzed, you can realize where these conclusions come from. So simply by virtue of me listing you as a scumread, I've done my work.

you do actually know, that you can say this about anybody. in time people might find pisskop to be scum "with a scumflip or two (not to mention a nightkill or two to go along with it.") Same with anyone in the game. If you dont post reasoning your not gonna get the lynches you want either.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

my reasoning is his shitty iso and the fact that one of you scumread me for giving a shout out to a dead person

I was confused on what that was, why take advantage of it?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

my reasoning is his shitty iso and the fact that one of you scumread me for giving a shout out to a dead person

fyi, now I dont scumread you because I looked it over and realized how stupidly horrible that whole thing was, but the point still stands that your trying to take advanatge of my stupidity

[Some Random Mafia Player]

my reasoning is his shitty iso and the fact that one of you scumread me for giving a shout out to a dead person

RiP triple post, but I just realized that this was your reasoning for lynch Xtoxm...

wtf did I do that makes him scummy?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

relax. Learn to read emphetically. i.e. we all have our own role pms and play based on those and our own thought processes. which are inflyenced by our own implicit and explicit experience.


youre not stupid because you scumread me nor did you display such a quality. stop being do gungho serious and literal

"one of you scumread me for shouting out a dead person"

my question was, how does me doing that make Xtoxm scummy? You complete ignored the question.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Speaking of which...

{3dice, pisskop}
{Almost50, TheBuldge, droog}
{Nosferatu, Spiffeh}
{davesaz}
{Some Random Mafia Player, Xtoxm, GuiltyLion}

you know, anyone can just post a readlist. If you don't post thoughts it doesn't really help anyone at all. It's just a bunch of names.

{droog, srmp}
{bulge, ranger}
{almost50, davesaz}
{3dice}
{GuiltyLion}

^ this is just a fucking list of names. This provides no actual information at all. Why? It's a fucking list. How the fuck am I supposed to know why you read a person the way you do, OFF A FUCKING LIST WITH NO EXPLANATION.

exactly what i thought about that post, exactly. He apparently doesent want to answer and thinks putting people on random places on a list (I dont know if he has reasoning, until I know I would assume not as there is no reason he shouldent post reasoning) is all he needs to do.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

also I get the sense that she's town here and if that's the case then if she's this convinced that I'm scum then one of us will have to go before LYLO

might as well start hashing that out now while more people are around to comment on it

Question your ranger townread, all they have done was stated reads and say they dont need reasoning.

now, please explain to me ow doing only that through 11 pages is towny.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

You don't need to tell me to question my reads

My problem with a Ranger scumread is the way you and Almost (two stronger scumreads of mine) are posturing about her slot.

You keep arguing that people are scum because they're not playing to your ideal how-a-townie-should-play standard and that's not how this game works. I haven't seen anything from Ranger yet that feels fake or ungenuine.

I meant I was questioning your read, mb

and im not complaining about that, im complaining about the fact they are active-lurking (they are posting and being active, but what are they actually doing to help us?)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I agree she's not helping town

I disagree that not helping town is a strong indicator of scum

but why would town not help town?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

SRMP - because townies are often stubborn, lazy, or emotionally compromised. also there are more of them so by sheer probability if a certain number of players are not helping town then it's more likely a town behavior than not.

Do you think scum would want to look like they're not helping town? Because that's a big reason why I'm scumreading you, your posts look like they're trying too hard to look town.

pisskop - there's nothing explicitly stopping me from being on it but I think Almost50/SRMP would make better wagons. Also I agreed largely with Xtoxm's reads when he gave them

too hard? Is my help no appreciated?

but in all seriousness, I have been working this hard to find scum all game, if you have a problem with it why not scumread me for it earlier?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

but in all seriousness, I have been working this hard to find scum all game, if you have a problem with it why not scumread me for it earlier?

What kind of question is this? I've been on you all game.

then why was your vote off me for 6 pages?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

then why was your vote off me for 6 pages?

Because there are other players in the game

Are you trying to imply I can't be scumreading someone I'm not voting? What's your current read on me?

I had no clue if you were scumreading me or not. It honestly looked otherwise because of the "liked srmp's reply and subsequent posts" but obviously I now know otherwise.

about my read on you, town.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

GuiltyLion i'm initially liking for town due to 40 and this comment:

Xtoxm wagon is better but I also feel like Xtoxm would have stronger scumplay than this

doubt I formatted it correctly, but you can find this in his first big post if you doubt me

Xtoxm, why do those 2 things consitute to lion being town? You townread me, while in that post he scumreads me, and in the quote all he does is not scumread you. Do those 2 things make him town?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I guess actually the best question for you Almost is why on earth do you think 3dr is scum

Because his reaction to my joke-post was most unnatural and extremely exaggerated. He then denied his vote on me was bc of it, but when asked to give an alternative reason he declined. It's one thing to post reads w/o reasoning, and totally another thing to cast a vote for no reason even when you get asked for one by your vote target.

All in all he didn't act in anyway I would consider natural, and the only reason I'm not pushing too hard on him is bc I don't think we will get him lynched today based on the fact not many others share my view, so I'm better off voting on someone we all agree on, in which case I need to be persuaded.

just so you know, he did end up posting reasoning to lynching you that you even responded to, so I see no reason for you to say he gave none when you know he did.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I guess actually the best question for you Almost is why on earth do you think 3dr is scum

Because his reaction to my joke-post was most unnatural and extremely exaggerated. He then denied his vote on me was bc of it, but when asked to give an alternative reason he declined. It's one thing to post reads w/o reasoning, and totally another thing to cast a vote for no reason even when you get asked for one by your vote target.

All in all he didn't act in anyway I would consider natural, and the only reason I'm not pushing too hard on him is bc I don't think we will get him lynched today based on the fact not many others share my view, so I'm better off voting on someone we all agree on, in which case I need to be persuaded.

just so you know, he did end up posting reasoning to lynching you that you even responded to, so I see no reason for you to say he gave none when you know he did.

Adding on to this, based on my knowledge ranger never explained their vote either, they just said "based on interactions, (something I dont remember off the top of my head), and (something else I dont remember)" but not specifying how the actions were scummy.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I guess actually the best question for you Almost is why on earth do you think 3dr is scum

Because his reaction to my joke-post was most unnatural and extremely exaggerated. He then denied his vote on me was bc of it, but when asked to give an alternative reason he declined. It's one thing to post reads w/o reasoning, and totally another thing to cast a vote for no reason even when you get asked for one by your vote target.

All in all he didn't act in anyway I would consider natural, and the only reason I'm not pushing too hard on him is bc I don't think we will get him lynched today based on the fact not many others share my view, so I'm better off voting on someone we all agree on, in which case I need to be persuaded.

just so you know, he did end up posting reasoning to lynching you that you even responded to, so I see no reason for you to say he gave none when you know he did.

Why are you choosing to defend me rather than attack his play? Or why are you not choosing to defend others as well?

This kind of pings WKing.

Im not defending you, im pointing out that a townread of theirs made the same mistake you did.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I guess actually the best question for you Almost is why on earth do you think 3dr is scum

Because his reaction to my joke-post was most unnatural and extremely exaggerated. He then denied his vote on me was bc of it, but when asked to give an alternative reason he declined. It's one thing to post reads w/o reasoning, and totally another thing to cast a vote for no reason even when you get asked for one by your vote target.

All in all he didn't act in anyway I would consider natural, and the only reason I'm not pushing too hard on him is bc I don't think we will get him lynched today based on the fact not many others share my view, so I'm better off voting on someone we all agree on, in which case I need to be persuaded.

just so you know, he did end up posting reasoning to lynching you that you even responded to, so I see no reason for you to say he gave none when you know he did.

Why are you choosing to defend me rather than attack his play? Or why are you not choosing to defend others as well?

This kind of pings WKing.

Im not defending you, im pointing out that a townread of theirs made the same mistake you did.

I see no resemblance of comparison in that post.

its not a defense on you, its an attack on ranger. Almost's point is valid, but they cant say that and ignore the fact that their townread did the same thing.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Read through real quick

Anybody else like Dave for the SK?

I like almost50 and the some random guy for scum

can you tell us why you have those reads?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I guess actually the best question for you Almost is why on earth do you think 3dr is scum

Because his reaction to my joke-post was most unnatural and extremely exaggerated. He then denied his vote on me was bc of it, but when asked to give an alternative reason he declined. It's one thing to post reads w/o reasoning, and totally another thing to cast a vote for no reason even when you get asked for one by your vote target.

All in all he didn't act in anyway I would consider natural, and the only reason I'm not pushing too hard on him is bc I don't think we will get him lynched today based on the fact not many others share my view, so I'm better off voting on someone we all agree on, in which case I need to be persuaded.

just so you know, he did end up posting reasoning to lynching you that you even responded to, so I see no reason for you to say he gave none when you know he did.

Why are you choosing to defend me rather than attack his play? Or why are you not choosing to defend others as well?

This kind of pings WKing.

Im not defending you, im pointing out that a townread of theirs made the same mistake you did.

I see no resemblance of comparison in that post.

its not a defense on you, its an attack on ranger. Almost's point is valid, but they cant say that and ignore the fact that their townread did the same thing.

Theres something I meant to put here I never did that i thought I did, ranger also did somewhat the same thing by just saying "bad interactions and posting" without mentioning how, I see the confusion and thought I was answering what i just stated. To correct my response, yes, I did just defend you in that case because you did actually post reasoning. Im not saying it was good, just said it was.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

just so you know, he did end up posting reasoning to lynching you that you even responded to, so I see no reason for you to say he gave none when you know he did.

Did he? Because all I saw is him defending himself against my accusation of him over-reacting to a joke post. He never did mention a valid reason that he would vote me "other than that".

I thought his reasoning was 107, if it wasent correct me, but im rather sure about it.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I don't have much of a read at all there, but I guess I have to bank on it being scum to have any chance of not being lynched.

Let me get this one straight: Your most upper priority is to evade the lynch rather than find real scum? Because the way you phrase it give me the impression you're just looking for a scapegoat to get lynched in your stead.

Honestly; I do not mind lynching droog either (but to a lesser degree than 3dr), but the way you phrase it makes me wonder how on earth I'm supposed to trust you for the rest of the game if you're #1 concern is self-preservation and not the town's best interest.

im pretty sure when he called lion town he basically said that he was worrying about survival. The quote he put makes me think such at least.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Read through real quick

Anybody else like Dave for the SK?

I like almost50 and the some random guy for scum

can you tell us why you have those reads?

Early in the game you were voting to pressure lurkers which I think was a way to be active without having to commit to anything

then 200 posts in you decide to vote ranger for his naked reads 50 posts after he had told you he wasn't going to give you any

and i'm just not getting a town feel off you in general

I was voting to pressure lurkers because im trying to get everyone active.

and yeah im voting someone without any reasoning because I dont see why they would refuse to give reasoning, so im assuming their not giving any because they have none because if they had any they should give it. If your lynching for no reason your not town in my eyes.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Read through real quick

Anybody else like Dave for the SK?

I like almost50 and the some random guy for scum

can you tell us why you have those reads?

Early in the game you were voting to pressure lurkers which I think was a way to be active without having to commit to anything

then 200 posts in you decide to vote ranger for his naked reads 50 posts after he had told you he wasn't going to give you any

and i'm just not getting a town feel off you in general

I was voting to pressure lurkers because im trying to get everyone active.

and yeah im voting someone without any reasoning because I dont see why they would refuse to give reasoning, so im assuming their not giving any because they have none because if they had any they should give it. If your lynching for no reason your not town in my eyes.

and to clarify, im pressuring lurkers because if they talk I can actually get a read on them, and why would they be lurking?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Read through real quick

Anybody else like Dave for the SK?

I like almost50 and the some random guy for scum

There you go, everyone. It only took him 22 minutes to solve the puzzle and out -not one but- all 3 scum in the game.

Congratulations, mate. *Thumbs Up*

On another note, when some new replacement jumps in & the first thing they talk about IS the SK/Vig issue, rest assured THEY are it. Just saying.

I've changed my mind. Xtoxm is off the table for me. My vote stays where it is for now.

you dont think Nosferatu is town?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

There you go, everyone. It only took him 22 minutes to solve the puzzle and out -not one but- all 3 scum in the game.

Congratulations, mate. *Thumbs Up*

On another note, when some new replacement jumps in & the first thing they talk about IS the SK/Vig issue, rest assured THEY are it. Just saying.

I've changed my mind. Xtoxm is off the table for me. My vote stays where it is for now.

You are sure I'm the SK but your vote stays on nosferatu? you must be real confident in that SK read on me.

I got confused too, their actually talking about nosferatu as the one talking about the sk/vig issue first, not you.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I thought his reasoning was 107, if it wasent correct me, but im rather sure about it.

That IS the post I'm referring to. He said I set up my post with the intent of getting someone to jump on. That is not the reason he voted me. That is defending himself against my accusation of him reacting abnormally to my post.

Then he said: "

The way you set it up was to strawman anyone who voted you afterwards, regardless of what reasons they gave

.", again clearly defending himself.

Then he admits it: "That is evident by the fact that you did it

even though I provided no reason at all

."

See, he says he provided no reason at all, and you read this as "this is the reason I'm voting you"?????

At last he concluded: "You aren't trying to figure out my alignment, you are trying to strawman me, and it's pretty scummy.". This means he is commenting on/responding to MY vote and reasoning on him in response to his vote on me having no reason.

I'm not sure if you're too sleep deprived or if you're overworked you lost your focus for a minute there, but if you re-read his post you'd see there was no reason mentioned there as to why he voted me in the first place.

I thought he voted you because of the fact you tried to setup a strawman, but eh

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I thought his reasoning was 107, if it wasent correct me, but im rather sure about it.

That IS the post I'm referring to. He said I set up my post with the intent of getting someone to jump on. That is not the reason he voted me. That is defending himself against my accusation of him reacting abnormally to my post.

Then he said: "

The way you set it up was to strawman anyone who voted you afterwards, regardless of what reasons they gave

.", again clearly defending himself.

Then he admits it: "That is evident by the fact that you did it

even though I provided no reason at all

."

See, he says he provided no reason at all, and you read this as "this is the reason I'm voting you"?????

At last he concluded: "You aren't trying to figure out my alignment, you are trying to strawman me, and it's pretty scummy.". This means he is commenting on/responding to MY vote and reasoning on him in response to his vote on me having no reason.

I'm not sure if you're too sleep deprived or if you're overworked you lost your focus for a minute there, but if you re-read his post you'd see there was no reason mentioned there as to why he voted me in the first place.

I thought he voted you because of the fact you tried to setup a strawman, but eh

to clarify, I think he took it that you tried to strawman him before he presented his reason, at which then he never provided a reason at all.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

you dont think Nosferatu is town?

If I did I wouldn't have left my vote on them, would I? Yes, it was there from before he joined in, but he gave me no reason to think of him otherwise.

i asked that, then realized who your "when you come in and speculate about sk/vig" was aimed at.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I am ankamius

[Some Random Mafia Player]

There is more, but that was my initial reason for voting him.

you still think him scummy?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

vc

stole your top of page votecount

[Some Random Mafia Player]

There is more, but that was my initial reason for voting him.

So, let me get this straight. You saw my post as an attempt to strawman

anyone

who veted me afterwards, yet you -of all people- decided to bit and

not mention your reason

only to use this backwards reasoning after I called you out for it? Oh, pleeeeease.

How come none of the other two voted me for it? How come everybody else saw the obvious joke (that was hidden inside a spoiler to begin with).

You know what? I don't know why Ranger would think town of you, but I say if there's one confirmed scum in this game it has to be you. Town don't need to lie about their motives to vote and/or create loops within loops to try and justify their actions.

based on what I can see, it looks like according to him once you asked "give me one reason to lynch me" or whatever that was, he thought you strawmanned (no, that quote wasent exact, but similar, and this isent a defense, this is pointing out things that seem to be flaws in an accusation.)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

ignore the above I derped for a second

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Second, before KT opted out he voted Spiffeh (now Karnage), whom I'm now also reading as scum.

and this is scummy because?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

it doesent seem like we are decided on who to lynch at all

we gotta make a decision soon.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Read through real quick

Anybody else like Dave for the SK?

I like almost50 and the some random guy for scum

can you tell us why you have those reads?

once again Karnage, why do you ream almost as mafia?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I don't care who you saw comparatively as a scum read. I placed my vote down because it looked like an attempt to backlash at anyone who voted you because of that post, and hey look, as soon as I vote you, you immediately vote back.

Even now, you are strawmanning what I did to appeal to the new person who replaced in.

Let them decide for themselves whether they like the logic or not.

Also, hi ank.

why say hello after already acknowledging someone's presence in the game?

Why did you feel the need to comment on this?

him responding to me

Do you have any reads to share then? Are there any players you would consider unlynchable for today or anyone who seems to be the perfect lynch?

pedit: its unnatural.

me responding to his response

Okay, but how does that indicate scum?

his response to my response

it seemed like he was making an effort to get on your good side.

my response to his question.

I think your looking too far into this, all he did was say hi lol

[Some Random Mafia Player]

but he said it twice.

but im surprised you take it as alignment indicative.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

but he said it twice.

but im surprised you take it as alignment indicative.

are you implying people say and do things for no reason at all in a game with specified purpose and reason?

Yes, actually, that already happened before this and I got called scummy for taking the exact view you are.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Radiant Cowbells

This was done for no reason that has anything to do with the game, did it?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

i was trying to day-revive RC

Assuming this isent serious, if it is...

[Some Random Mafia Player]

All of my posts as scum in Suikoden were one liners, lying about my meta won't get you far.

I remember quite clearly there were walls from your slot, and I thought it was PokerFace who said he was the one most not in the game between you.

I could be wrong there.

If it helps: you're actually not my current bet for scum, though SK isn't out of the question.

VOTE: Some Random Mafia Player.

so you switch your focus between Xtoxm to me without me doing anything? Please explain how that makes any sense.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

All of my posts as scum in Suikoden were one liners, lying about my meta won't get you far.

I remember quite clearly there were walls from your slot, and I thought it was PokerFace who said he was the one most not in the game between you.

I could be wrong there.

If it helps: you're actually not my current bet for scum, though SK isn't out of the question.

VOTE: Some Random Mafia Player.

so you switch your focus between Xtoxm to me without me doing anything? Please explain how that makes any sense.

Also, why should we just assume that your right without any evidence?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

so you switch your focus between Xtoxm to me without me doing anything? Please explain how that makes any sense.

Because Xtoxm did something.

and that suddenly convinces you im a bigger scumread/

[Some Random Mafia Player]

{pisskop}
{TheBuldge, Ankamius, 3dice, Karnage}
{Nosferatu, GuiltyLion}
{davesaz}
{Xtoxm}
{Almost50}
{Some Random Mafia Player}

...When I said Karnage won by a landslide, I

meant

it. Ankamius has done nothing to change my read, 3dice townread is slightly weakened but still remains, I'm almost at the point of demoting TheBuldge just for not doing anything but for now he stays, Nosferatu has been fairly town but not enough to reach that higher town tier, GuiltyLion is looking

much

better, Xtoxm's my current bet for serial killer, davesaz my backup pick for serial killer, and while I'm not sure, I

think

Almost50 is scum.
On the other hand, Some Random Mafia Player looks very strongly like scum to me.

you do know, karnage only made 1 post calling out almost, how does that 1 post change your opinion so drastically about almost?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Why I figured Spiffeh did it: Post #84 coming 4 posts after the kill post.

This is a typical reaction from the one who just took a shot at someone.

The "normal" reaction from someone who didn't do it could vary, but an example could be found in pisskop's double posts just before that (i.e. #82 & 83).

can you cite any examples to support this statement?

This wasent really an attack, Karnage just wanted evidence, but even if you count it.

There you go, everyone. It only took him 22 minutes to solve the puzzle and out -not one but- all 3 scum in the game.

Congratulations, mate. *Thumbs Up*

On another note, when some new replacement jumps in & the first thing they talk about IS the SK/Vig issue, rest assured THEY are it. Just saying.

I've changed my mind. Xtoxm is off the table for me. My vote stays where it is for now.

You are sure I'm the SK but your vote stays on nosferatu? you must be real confident in that SK read on me.

THIS was the one post karnage made attacking almost, how was this so amazingly significant?

this is significant?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Also, why should we just assume that your right without any evidence?

You shouldn't. I certainly don't! Doesn't change my accuracy or lack thereof, though. Scum players are scum, town players are town, this remains true regardless.

You have better chances of catching scum if you scumhunt rather than spin a wheel (I have no reason to think otherwise)

and that suddenly convinces you im a bigger scumread/

Yes. And?

All of my posts as scum in Suikoden were one liners, lying about my meta won't get you far.

explain what towny thing was in this post.

you do know, karnage only made 1 post calling out almost, how does that 1 post change your opinion so drastically about almost?

Karnage had a

significant

back-and-forth with Almost50. In that exchange, Karnage continued to look town, and many of Almost50's posts made me stare at him, stupefied, and wondering, "is...he actually scum? Because...he's posting like scum".

All of my posts as scum in Suikoden were one liners, lying about my meta won't get you far.

so you switch your focus between Xtoxm to me without me doing anything? Please explain how that makes any sense.

Because Xtoxm did something.

and that suddenly convinces you im a bigger scumread/

left unasnwered

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Also, why should we just assume that your right without any evidence?

You shouldn't. I certainly don't! Doesn't change my accuracy or lack thereof, though. Scum players are scum, town players are town, this remains true regardless.

You have better chances of catching scum if you scumhunt rather than spin a wheel (I have no reason to think otherwise)

and that suddenly convinces you im a bigger scumread/

Yes. And?

All of my posts as scum in Suikoden were one liners, lying about my meta won't get you far.

explain what towny thing was in this post.

you do know, karnage only made 1 post calling out almost, how does that 1 post change your opinion so drastically about almost?

Karnage had a

significant

back-and-forth with Almost50. In that exchange, Karnage continued to look town, and many of Almost50's posts made me stare at him, stupefied, and wondering, "is...he actually scum? Because...he's posting like scum".

All of my posts as scum in Suikoden were one liners, lying about my meta won't get you far.

so you switch your focus between Xtoxm to me without me doing anything? Please explain how that makes any sense.

Because Xtoxm did something.

and that suddenly convinces you im a bigger scumread/

left unanswered

Im ass, formatting fixed

[Some Random Mafia Player]

im here

[Some Random Mafia Player]

we got 2 1/2 hours to lynch someone, we gotta make a choice.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

SRMP - as we're both here and the only ones voting Ranger, we need to move as it clearly can't happen today. What is your preference of the other options?

im ok with lynching almost I suppose, he has really no reason to defend ranger. His case on nosferatu also doesent seem that great, and I read nosferatu as town. I also doubt any better wagon would get going (bulge, karn, ranger)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

UNVOTE: Ranger

VOTE: Almost50

same, im unhappy none of my other scumreads have a possibility of being lynched.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I'm here.

VOTE: Almost50

L-2 I believe.

It is indeed L-2

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Well, I urge you to reconsider your views on Nosferatu, Karnage & 3dice in particular. If only 2 of them are scum then I suggest someone check on the Ankamius slot as well, preferably early enough to decide on their status.

Ank is probably one of the towniest players here when he posts, im not concerned about him yet.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

idk why no one pings me hard this game, I've got no scum reads, just town and nulls. Gonna have to start splitting hairs I see.

It sometimes happens when you're it. You try hard to convince yourself that this/that looks scummy, but deep down you know it isn't bc you already know who is scum and who is not. As a townie though you become more suspicious of everything even if it isn't truly a scumtell.

P.S. I'm now confused as to whom your partner might be. I'll have to do some extra thinking.

your tunnel is funny

VOTE: the bulge

Any particular reason (other than the fact they've got their vote on you for sometime now)?

Hasn't done anything and is now not here, but wasn't doing much anything while they were here.

looks like you dident notice, they already got lynched and claimed vt ;/

[Some Random Mafia Player]

idk why no one pings me hard this game, I've got no scum reads, just town and nulls. Gonna have to start splitting hairs I see.

It sometimes happens when you're it. You try hard to convince yourself that this/that looks scummy, but deep down you know it isn't bc you already know who is scum and who is not. As a townie though you become more suspicious of everything even if it isn't truly a scumtell.

P.S. I'm now confused as to whom your partner might be. I'll have to do some extra thinking.

your tunnel is funny

VOTE: the bulge

Any particular reason (other than the fact they've got their vote on you for sometime now)?

Hasn't done anything and is now not here, but wasn't doing much anything while they were here.

looks like you dident notice, they already got lynched and claimed vt ;/

why does that mean I shouldn't answer their questions?

nos isnt close to town

but I am tho

You're right. I completely forgot that saying you are town makes you town.

You're welcome for reminding you.

I was addressing the first part, not the second.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

errrrr...

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I'm letting him know that he's wrong about me being scum.

He doesn't have a case, he has an elaborate pre-flip association that falls flat on its face.

Karnage is my scum buddy because we did the same thing within our first few posts, but he replaced the sk (spiffeh) who is the obvsk because he day vigged obv town. This is obvious, because after the day vig, he said "wtf".

Now I've stated several times that dayvig can't be sk.

So now there's no chance Karnage can be sk, so he MUST be group scum with KT; because KT replaced out after saying replace outs were suspicious. Even though KT has replaced out as town. Despite there being no associatives between KT and spiffeh, or me and spiffeh, the fact that our first actions were similar OBVIOUSLY makes us scum.

It only works if you have a tunnel on at least one of the players involved. If spiffeh is dayvig, HE'S NOT PARTNERS WITH ANYONE, BECAUSE THERE CAN ONLY BE A TOWN VIG.

There is literally no associative between a dayvig and any other player in the game, because they are confirmed town by setup.

The only thing he's got on me myself, is me voting him for misreading a post.

gg boys you caught me, god tier scumhunters this game, I had no chance. You even caught my sk dayvig scumbuddy.

The level of horridness that case displays is baffling, and I will be shocked if a single person puts stock in a scum read based on this.

actually, there is allowed to be 1 non-normal role in the setup...

so this is kinda all obsolete, then again, the chances of that are are low.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

RIP mod, he was supposed to be here 22 minutes ago for deadline.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

SRMP: I'm assuming you're the alt of someone I know?

incorrect, im legit new here, but came from another site (although while this site is dedicated to mafia, the other one isent very focused on mafia because it isent a mafia site.)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

SRMP: I'm still interested in your answer to 456.

I'll read today.

Simply put, I dont see your actions furthering a scum agenda. If they aren't furthering a scum agenda, I see no reason not to have a firm townread on you.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

gdi bbt

Is BBT here

he keeps mentioning players not in the game anymore ;/

[Some Random Mafia Player]

EBWOP mafia kill.

It is indeed odd, why would he complete disregard the possibility of it being a sk kill?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I'm pretty sure I vote Some Random Mafia Player, though there's something I want to look into first.

why not place your vote and then take it off if you decide otherwise?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Nice to know scum actually believed 50s bullshit lmao

I skimmed the stuff that happened while I was gone. An interpretation of what you mean by this might help, as I didn't catch whatever it was you're referring to. It was a very quick skim though...

50 had a really stupid case that was a bunch of hasty associations and tunnels thrown together. Karnage was the supposed sk in this, and someone in the scum team was stupid enough to actually go off of that and think killing Karnage might mean

killing the sk.

Interesting how you asked for clarification on a comment denouncing scum though...

This implies you thought the mafia made the kill intending to kill the sk, unless your implying the sk could have killed himself .

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Nice to know scum actually believed 50s bullshit lmao

I skimmed the stuff that happened while I was gone. An interpretation of what you mean by this might help, as I didn't catch whatever it was you're referring to. It was a very quick skim though...

50 had a really stupid case that was a bunch of hasty associations and tunnels thrown together. Karnage was the supposed sk in this, and someone in the scum team was stupid enough to actually go off of that and think killing Karnage might mean

killing the sk.

Interesting how you asked for clarification on a comment denouncing scum though...

This implies you thought the mafia made the kill intending to kill the sk, unless your implying the sk could have killed himself .

I

was

interested in why you're certain Karnage was the scum kill.

And this implied he meant that when he asked the first question.

if he meant that, and you knew that, then why did you say "I never did it" when you know you did (if you dident know you did that, then how did you know what he meant?)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Nice to know scum actually believed 50s bullshit lmao

I skimmed the stuff that happened while I was gone. An interpretation of what you mean by this might help, as I didn't catch whatever it was you're referring to. It was a very quick skim though...

50 had a really stupid case that was a bunch of hasty associations and tunnels thrown together. Karnage was the supposed sk in this, and someone in the scum team was stupid enough to actually go off of that and think killing Karnage might mean

killing the sk.

Interesting how you asked for clarification on a comment denouncing scum though...

This implies you thought the mafia made the kill intending to kill the sk, unless your implying the sk could have killed himself .

Also, what's the point of commenting on this assumption? Why would sk kill the suspected sk?

What conclusion can you make from this observation that I made an assumption that mafia killed Karnage when it's far likely that it was? I mean you're right, looking at that second post it's pretty reasonable to say I did make that assumption (which admittedly, I was not initially aware of), but I don't see what you're getting out of it.

pedit: I thought he was talking about the first post and I didn't.

because your assuming its a guarantee, but you don't know for sure.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

vote: dave

Aww, and just when events (in particular lack of 2nd kill) have me believing that you're probably town.

This seems to imply you townread him, but now scumread him for voting you. The post itself shows you townread him, but then the "aww" imo makes it look like you dont get to townread him because he voted you ;/

VOTE: Nosferatu

Nosferatu, there was 1 death, how do you know the mafia killed and the SK dident?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

vote: dave

Aww, and just when events (in particular lack of 2nd kill) have me believing that you're probably town.

This seems to imply you townread him, but now scumread him for voting you. The post itself shows you townread him, but then the "aww" imo makes it look like you dont get to townread him because he voted you ;/

VOTE: Nosferatu

Nosferatu, there was 1 death, how do you know the mafia killed and the SK dident?

L M A O

can you not read? why would the sk kill the suspected sk???

sit down lol

your acting as if its 100% fact, but it is indeed possible the sk did that.

I already said the above the first time you said that...

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Nice to know scum actually believed 50s bullshit lmao

I skimmed the stuff that happened while I was gone. An interpretation of what you mean by this might help, as I didn't catch whatever it was you're referring to. It was a very quick skim though...

50 had a really stupid case that was a bunch of hasty associations and tunnels thrown together. Karnage was the supposed sk in this, and someone in the scum team was stupid enough to actually go off of that and think killing Karnage might mean

killing the sk.

Interesting how you asked for clarification on a comment denouncing scum though...

This implies you thought the mafia made the kill intending to kill the sk, unless your implying the sk could have killed himself .

I

was

interested in why you're certain Karnage was the scum kill.

And this implied he meant that when he asked the first question.

if he meant that, and you knew that, then why did you say "I never did it" when you know you did (if you dident know you did that, then how did you know what he meant?)

and you're skewing this really hard.

1. I didn't say "I never did it"
2. I never said nor implied I knew what he was talking about, hence the fucking question marks everywhere.
3. "if you dident know you did that, then how did you know what he meant?" <-- I don't even know what the fuck this means lol

"Nice to know scum actually believed 50s bullshit lmao" <-- I didn't see the assumption I made here
"I was interested in why you're certain Karnage was the scum kill."
means he was interested in why I am certain Karnage is the kill when he asked
"I skimmed the stuff that happened while I was gone. An interpretation of what you mean by this might help, as I didn't catch whatever it was you're referring to."
and the assumption isn't apparent until I respond to this ^ with
"50 had a really stupid case that was a bunch of hasty associations and tunnels thrown together. Karnage was the supposed sk in this, and someone in the scum team was stupid enough to actually go off of that and think killing Karnage might mean killing the sk."

So yeah I don't understand why you're skewing this here. If he said "I

am

interested in why you're certain Karnage was the scum kill." then this would be a different story.

vote: dave

Aww, and just when events (in particular lack of 2nd kill) have me believing that you're probably town.

This seems to imply you townread him, but now scumread him for voting you. The post itself shows you townread him, but then the "aww" imo makes it look like you dont get to townread him because he voted you ;/

VOTE: Nosferatu

Nosferatu, there was 1 death, how do you know the mafia killed and the SK dident?

L M A O

can you not read? why would the sk kill the suspected sk???

sit down lol

your acting as if its 100% fact, but it is indeed possible the sk did that.

I already said the above the first time you said that...

to clarify, your right, why would the sk do that?

but as I pointed out, your acting as if you know for a 100% fact the mafia did the kill, instead of a stupid sk

so how do you know it isent a stupid sk?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Good to know that pisskop was targeted by the second kill, at least.

This doesent look good, please clarify

also seems like theres day sk.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Good to know that pisskop was targeted by the second kill, at least.

This doesent look good, please clarify

also seems like theres day sk.

Are you paying attention?

oh, you meant the doctor protected pisskop and the second kill was on pisskop, so your making the assumption the second kill was on him, but he was protected??

[Some Random Mafia Player]

oh i almost forgot
VOTE: bulge

Can you go into this please?

His vote on me is disgusting. He said I was scum but the case presented puts me as sk. He didn't read just jumped.

he never said that you were specifically sk?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

you and guilty lion are presenting me as sk, bulge is saying I'm scum.

Point out where I said you are sk. I never said that.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

y is ranger scun

Nos?

meh.

Xtox? anyone?

so you want people to give reasons for someone being scum, but you dont have to give any?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Not even a little amused at your dumbassery.

no, insults dont work

now, explain your xtoxm lynch, you havent yet

and you suddenly scumread me over one post?

[Some Random Mafia Player]

No Im good.

Im done here. Ive been asking all game for cases and Ive given my own before. Go be lazy on somebody elses time guiz kthnx.

ok, but you need reasoning on me lol, I made one post asking for reasoning and suddenly became your #1 scumread

[Some Random Mafia Player]

No Im good.

Im done here. Ive been asking all game for cases and Ive given my own before. Go be lazy on somebody elses time guiz kthnx.

ok, but you need reasoning on me lol, I made one post asking for reasoning and suddenly became your #1 scumread

Why are you so concerned with his scumread on you?

Im not, im concerned with him suddenly scumreading me more than xtoxm for asking for reasoning (and even if I missed it, that still shouldent make me suddenly a bigger scumread then the guy he has been wanting lynched all game)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Do you think that makes him more likely to be scum?

I dont know, but I def dont see why he would do that (then again, he has been doing a lot of useless things)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Do you think that makes him more likely to be scum?

I dont know, but I def dont see why he would do that (then again, he has been doing a lot of useless things)

Have you ever played with pisskop before?

Although, nosferatu is definitely off the table for today.

whyyyyy

SRMP is probscum but Nos is obvscum

That's a great question for you. Why?

no I havent, when this started it was my second game.

but that still isent an excuse to change a read off of 1 post.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I don't know what to make of Almost50 defending his townread on Ranger

It's not at all a valid reason to townread someone but when reading his posts I get the sense that he genuinely believes in it.

I can't tell if that's because he knows she's town or because he's a newbie. I would like Ranger's thoughts if she has them.

Meanwhile,

my scumvibes are back on SRMP

, especially given how he's hedging immediately on his throwing shade on pisskop. I just don't feel like he's genuinely trying to solve the game. His accusations are always on the basis of people not posting or not being helpful, as opposed to doing something that legitimately appears scum-motivated.

And I also think voting a player who was replaced (160) is more likely to come from scum trying to find a comfortable spot to vote rather than a town player keeping tabs on players in the game. Although I'm a bit hesitant because I would expect cautious scum to catch that mistake before they post.

how were they back on if they always were there? If you have been scumreading me all game, the bolded implies that to have gotten back on me they had to be off. if they were always on me they couldent get back on (they = scumvibes)

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I don't know what to make of Almost50 defending his townread on Ranger

It's not at all a valid reason to townread someone but when reading his posts I get the sense that he genuinely believes in it.

I can't tell if that's because he knows she's town or because he's a newbie. I would like Ranger's thoughts if she has them.

Meanwhile,

my scumvibes are back on SRMP

, especially given how he's hedging immediately on his throwing shade on pisskop. I just don't feel like he's genuinely trying to solve the game. His accusations are always on the basis of people not posting or not being helpful, as opposed to doing something that legitimately appears scum-motivated.

And I also think voting a player who was replaced (160) is more likely to come from scum trying to find a comfortable spot to vote rather than a town player keeping tabs on players in the game. Although I'm a bit hesitant because I would expect cautious scum to catch that mistake before they post.

how were they back on if they always were there? If you have been scumreading me all game, the bolded implies that to have gotten back on me they had to be off. if they were always on me they couldent get back on (they = scumvibes)

eh, this might have been a grammar error, but still want to point this out, especially since you said they were always on me twice.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

how were they back on if they always were there? If you have been scumreading me all game, the bolded implies that to have gotten back on me they had to be off. if they were always on me they couldent get back on (they = scumvibes)

they were gone for all of maybe 100 posts between 126 and 215

have you never doubted yourself on a scumread only to find yourself coming back to it when the player in question continues to look scummy?

I'm having a hard time believing you think this 'contradiction' means anything, or that you can't understand my thought process here.

you just said I was on your scumdar all game, and now your saying I wasent for 100 posts.

Make up your mind lol

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Are you proposing he is mafia who knew that wasn't their kill, or sk that knew that wasn't their kill?

Or are you just proposing nos is non-town aligned in general.

I think he could be either, so non-town aligned in general. Again, Nos assuming that the kill was a maf kill I don't really have a problem with. But 480 is just so inconsistent with what he had posted, and what he continued to post afterwards, that it looks like flailing scum panic defense over a minor slip. Bulge said it more concisely in 516

My existing scumread on SRMP combined with the way SRMP went about pushing on this as well - particularly 477 - makes me think SRMP and Nos are scum on two opposite factions.

SRMP, does it matter at all if I say "all game" instead of "the majority of the game except for roughly 100 posts early on"? Like does that distinction mean anything alignment indicative?

I dont know if it does, but I find it interesting you say something, then say something making the original statement incorrect literally 2 posts later.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

I dont know if it does, but I find it interesting you say something, then say something making the original statement incorrect literally 2 posts later.

okay whatever I'm fine with lynching SRMP if we aren't doing Nos today

so you contradicting yourself is fine, but with Nos it isent?

This just seems rather odd.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

stealing hosts pagetop lol

[Some Random Mafia Player]

so you contradicting yourself is fine, but with Nos it isent?

This just seems rather odd.

My contradiction is a semantic point.

Nos' contradiction is literally a fundamental change in the argument he was making.

But I'm not surprised that scum don't want to acknowledge this.

ok, fair enough

and why are you acting as if me questioning something (that probably wouldent have effected my read on you much) is scummy? I wanted an explanation for something a little odd and got it and your acting as if its such a scummy thing.

On another note, Nos is acting like I have a great point when im questioning something minor.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

so you contradicting yourself is fine, but with Nos it isent?

This just seems rather odd.

My contradiction is a semantic point.

Nos' contradiction is literally a fundamental change in the argument he was making.

But I'm not surprised that scum don't want to acknowledge this.

so me and random are scumbuddies now?

clearly arent reading, he already stated he thinks we are 2 diff scum factions

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Let's assume I'm sk and you're groupscum.

why would you, someone of an unrelated faction not want to acknowledge my super contradiction? Most of the time SKs can't be nightkilled. It's literally in your best interests to lynch me. Why wouldn't you want to acknowledge this as more significant as GL's? You need me to be lynched more than him. You can nightkill him. You don't know if you can nightkill me. So why are you even going to talk about GL's contradiction when the obviously better decision is to blindly follow him, turbolynch me, and nightkill him the proceeding night?

I did acknowledge your contradiction, and so did you.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Urg.
VOTE: Some Random Mafia Player.
I haven't done the research yet, but I don't think I can wrap my head around the game before deadline.

still havent explained why im scum ;/

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Do you understand why this can also be seen as smokescreen ank?

I have no idea what you mean by this.

Hes saying that the following can be seen as an excuse for inactivity.

@Ank - Are you scum/busy/disengaged? You don't seem to be throwing your weight around like in mana khemia.

My activity is a direct reflection of my interest in the gamestate and has very little to no bearing on my alignment. I was much more active in Mana Khemia (and all of my hydra games I don't get bailed on) because having someone I know I work well with and know is the same alignment does huge work towards keeping me invested in the game.

[Some Random Mafia Player]

Urg.
VOTE: Some Random Mafia Player.
I haven't done the research yet, but I don't think I can wrap my head around the game before deadline.

still havent explained why im scum ;/

why do you care? don't you know?

I don't ;/