⭐ Blitz 20 — How To Be Normal [Game Over]

[Ranger]

VOTE: GuiltyLion

[Ranger]

Pisskop is prob town.

That went without saying.

Here's a more controversial stance: everyone who has posted so far except for GuiltyLion is town.

[Ranger]

VOTE: Ranger
She has to be scum eventually.

I have been, three completed games if you want to look.

[Ranger]

{3dice, RadiantCowbells}
{Almost50, TheBuldge, pisskop}
{droog, Spiffeh}
{davesaz, KTthecreeper}
{Some Random Mafia Player, Xtoxm}
{GuiltyLion}

[Ranger]

I just checked like 10 of your games excluding ones I played and you were town in all of them.
Link to the scum game you feel you performed best in?

Yeah, that'd be thanks to my preference for town. I magically morph probability to match my preference, rendering me town in nearly every game except the ones I didn't care for!

Technically, I have four non-town games: Blitz 1, first scumgame on-site, probably most typical scum game of mine save the lurking from life-based activity problems. Blitz 7, undeniably my best scumgame, but also highly atypical of me. (I never post like that in games.) Mafiaception was the third; I had trouble getting into the game, and so did the entire rest of the scumteam. We just didn't work well together as a team, or as individuals, so not a great game. Then there's Blitz 9, where I was a jester.

[Ranger]

RadiantCowbells was killed during Day 1. He was a Town Innocent Child.

Annie. Innocent Child. I get it.
I also am pretty sure that's a Day-SK kill. Mafia Vigilantes are not normal.

[Ranger]

Well it could be a town day-vig, but...
...If a person claims to have, early-on, immediately, without thought, insta-dayvigged

RadiantCowbells

, they deserve a policy-lynch for the most tremendously-stupid move of all time.

[Ranger]

What about a straight day vig who thought he was scum fakeclaiming PGO to explain not getting NK'd?

Dead serious, I'll lynch a player claiming this.

This leads me to believe the sk has at least one dayvig shot, and has bulletproof.

My thoughts are similar.

ranger, explain your reads, and all that on page 3?

How about...no.

FTR, Im sticking to the mafia dayvig unless its explicitly blacklisted.

Pretty sure that's what the thread stated, though? It seemed the intent there was to prevent mafia (day)vigs from ever existing in a Normal game again.

I can see it as a day-SK (not day-vig-SK, day-SK as in a SK that kills only during the day); that seems to make sense to me.
Regardless, not much point discussing it. We'll have our answer with time.

[Ranger]

We have zero evidence for an SK, and any talk about a second faction before we have proof will be treated as a potential slip

Hello, townslip!

Also, not much has changed in my reads.

{3dice, RadiantCowbells, pisskop}
{Almost50, TheBuldge}
{droog, Spiffeh}
{davesaz, KTthecreeper}
{Some Random Mafia Player, Xtoxm}
{GuiltyLion}

[Ranger]

...Yes that was totally me saying that 3dice and pisskop are as conftown as the dead-town-IC and not in any way a copy-paste error.

Totally.

[Ranger]

So you have no reason for those reads, just put them there randomly?

Never said that!

[Ranger]

why do you not want to put reasoning for them?

Because I am a troll. ;)

[Ranger]

but on a serious note, got any real reasoning?

Yes, I do!

[Ranger]

Also, literally five seconds.
Literally

five seconds

.
From beating the mod to my own prod announcement.

Very ticked off at that prod.
I'm online, you know.
I WAS POSTING.
THIS GAME WAS LITERALLY THIRTY SECONDS AWAY FROM GETTING A POST BY ME.
Marquis prodded me

as I was opening the game thread

. >:(

[Ranger]

KTthecreeper gets some scum points for pushing on the droog slot for replacing out. Weak scum.

I'm like 95% certain KTthecreeper is town.

but has done very little in the way of actual scumhunting for the amount of posing she's done.

That would be because there's very little in the way of actual content worth scumhunting. My opinion on matters is mostly unchanged.

It goes without saying: not sure which of {Xtoxm, GuiltyLion, Some Random Mafia Player} is the serial killer and which of them are the mafia, but I'm relatively certain between the three you've got all the scum this game.

This is both off of their individual posting, bad interactions, and POE on everyone else being town.

[Ranger]

why

Because that's the truth.

Some Random Mafia Player is scum.
GuiltyLion is even

more

scum.
Xtoxm is a fairly solid guess for scum.

Everyone else is either proved town or read as town.

I would like Ranger's thoughts if she has them.

Refer to my readslist.
Which.
Y'know.
Is actually content.

[Ranger]

if you were town, why not contribute more than just state your reads with no reasoning?

Well bluntly, because I can.

My reads list is speaking volumes for me.
I don't need to give the attached reasoning when simply posting the list conveys plenty.
If I ever feel my reads list is inadequate by itself, then I will elaborate.
But I hold no such feelings at this time, so I'll continue not giving the reads list.

[Ranger]

Speaking of which...

{3dice, pisskop}
{Almost50, TheBuldge, droog}
{Nosferatu, Spiffeh}
{davesaz}
{Some Random Mafia Player, Xtoxm, GuiltyLion}

[Ranger]

Also, based on my knowledge im getting decently townread (well, I was, and a majority probably still reads me town but IDK) so you might wanna try and convince otherwise.

Fortunately, your own posting is showing why you are scum, and I don't need to do anything. They'll see it with time. Maybe not immediately, but with a scumflip or two (not to mention a nightkill or two to go along with it), scum become increasingly obvious.

You are also, incidentally, not my focus right now. I'm still voting GuiltyLion, and could easily move to Xtoxm, so frankly I don't need to focus on you until I want you dead.

My lists might strictly speaking be simply ordering names, but when analyzed, you can realize where these conclusions come from. So simply by virtue of me listing you as a scumread, I've done my work.

[Ranger]

if Ranger is town I can't wait to see her reaction post game.

I seriously need to work on adjusting my tone if people have the impression I'm so arrogant as to be surprised when my reads are wrong. I

expect

them to be wrong. You being town wouldn't phase me at all. I happen to think you are scum. Nothing has changed that read of you. That scumread has grown weaker, but still exists. If I'm wrong, nothing special. People are wrong all the time, and I'm certainly no exception to that rule. But I'm not going to make any progress if I automatically assume I'm wrong (there's a difference between expecting to be wrong and assuming you're wrong), so until my opinion on you changes, I'll continue to pursue you as scum.

so putting me at the bottom of a random list of names is all you were planning to do? Is that really it?

Never said that.
But yes, putting you at the bottom and not pursuing you is all I have planned for now.

I'll push you whenever I feel like pushing you.

Right now I prefer my attention more on GuiltyLion and Xtoxm than you, though.

my scumread on xtox is based on vague neta suspicions and his crap iso and his ateing

More or less, this. Xtoxm has a distinct difference between his town play and his scum play. I'm almost positive this is his scumplay.

How the fuck am I supposed to know why you read a person the way you do, OFF A FUCKING LIST WITH NO EXPLANATION.

Guess.

...I realize that sounds like a sarcastic response, but no, seriously. Just guess. Use your intuition, with a side of instinct, and try getting in my head:

why

am I townreading 3dice and pisskop so strongly? Why was RadiantCowbells also at that tier before he died. Why is Xtoxm a strong scumread, why is GuiltyLion a strong scumread, why is Some Random Mafia Player a strong scumread? Factors that you can use include timing (what post do I make the reads list at?), changes in the list (what posts are between the reads lists?), and what I quote (why am I quoting that and responding to it?).

You'd be surprised how effective it is.

[Ranger]

...Speaking of changes, I should mention: it was a mistake to say I would prefer to focus on GuiltyLion and Xtoxm more than Some Random Mafia Player.
I want to continue engaging GuiltyLion, but GuiltyLion right now would actually be the one of the three I'm least-interested in pushing as scum.

VOTE: Xtoxm.
Much better here.

[Ranger]

Because that's a big reason why I'm scumreading you, your posts look like they're trying too hard to look town.

Definitely not scum with Some Random Mafia Player. (Kinda wish this wasn't 2:1 so I could clear GuiltyLion altogether. Alas. Only

half

-cleared.)

I was in that exact slot of yours in the previous game. She thought I was the scummiest of all. Now if you're town you'll get over it and just show your true self and work your way up not only hers but everybody else's lists.

^What he said. It's already in effect, as shown by my switch in votes.

Especially a player like Ranger who has a consistent record of being a strong town player. In addition her reads have shown little or no development since her first list of page 3. Her response (or lack of) to my content has made me a lot more confident in my scumread there

Yes I have a consistent record of being a strong town player. I also have that same record of not explaining myself and largely sticking to my usually-very-accurate early intuition, both traits you are attributing to being scum indicators when you have two+ games' worth of experience proving the opposite: your walls in Suikoden did not sway me, as your walls here are not. I have said nothing on the subject because there is nothing for me to say. The read hasn't changed.

I'll admit: it's not as strong a read as I would like. Many of my reads are being thrown into doubt. I'll need to have a serious rethink on them. But right now, you're my best guess for scum.

[Ranger]

So in the Almost50-Karnage spat, Karnage wins by a landslide.

Just sayin'.

[Ranger]

All of my posts as scum in Suikoden were one liners, lying about my meta won't get you far.

I remember quite clearly there were walls from your slot, and I thought it was PokerFace who said he was the one most not in the game between you.

I could be wrong there.

If it helps: you're actually not my current bet for scum, though SK isn't out of the question.

VOTE: Some Random Mafia Player.

[Ranger]

{pisskop}
{TheBuldge, Ankamius, 3dice, Karnage}
{Nosferatu, GuiltyLion}
{davesaz}
{Xtoxm}
{Almost50}
{Some Random Mafia Player}

...When I said Karnage won by a landslide, I

meant

it. Ankamius has done nothing to change my read, 3dice townread is slightly weakened but still remains, I'm almost at the point of demoting TheBuldge just for not doing anything but for now he stays, Nosferatu has been fairly town but not enough to reach that higher town tier, GuiltyLion is looking

much

better, Xtoxm's my current bet for serial killer, davesaz my backup pick for serial killer, and while I'm not sure, I

think

Almost50 is scum.
On the other hand, Some Random Mafia Player looks very strongly like scum to me.

[Ranger]

so you switch your focus between Xtoxm to me without me doing anything? Please explain how that makes any sense.

Because Xtoxm did something. :P

[Ranger]

Also, why should we just assume that your right without any evidence?

You shouldn't. I certainly don't! Doesn't change my accuracy or lack thereof, though. Scum players are scum, town players are town, this remains true regardless.

and that suddenly convinces you im a bigger scumread/

Yes. And?

you do know, karnage only made 1 post calling out almost, how does that 1 post change your opinion so drastically about almost?

Karnage had a

significant

back-and-forth with Almost50. In that exchange, Karnage continued to look town, and many of Almost50's posts made me stare at him, stupefied, and wondering, "is...he actually scum? Because...he's posting like scum".

[Ranger]

I'm pretty sure I vote Some Random Mafia Player, though there's something I want to look into first.

[Ranger]

why not place your vote and then take it off if you decide otherwise?

Because there's actually interest in lynching you today.

If I vote you, it could be a lynch.

I'm not sure I'm ready to make that commitment yet.

[Ranger]

Nosferatu is a shiny object. Stop.

This is one of the main things I want to check.

I'm inclined to agree.

But I want to be absolutely sure.

[Ranger]

So Xtoxm is probably not the day-killer.
I could check for some posters too to see if there's anyone else I could eliminate from the pool.

Still thinking Some Random Mafia Player may be the best lynch, but I need to check all the facts for sure. I'm not sure I have the time for that tonight--certainly not right

now

. We'll see about later, though.

[Ranger]

Urg.
VOTE: Some Random Mafia Player.
I haven't done the research yet, but I don't think I can wrap my head around the game before deadline.

[Ranger]

That would be my vote, yes.

Still weary though: if there's three mafia and the SK, today's lylo.
I want to make sure.

[Ranger]

Oh god, just realized it's even worse than that.
The day-SK hasn't killed yet.

If it's 3 mafia + day-sk, it's

past

lylo and we're one serial killer kill away from kingmaker.

I'm pretty cautious and hoping it's 2 mafia and one serial killer.

[Ranger]

your fake townslipping thing is no.

Or, I just forgot for a minute.

Yea that's pretty awful
VOTE: Ranger
nos, anything new on me since yesterday?

This is pure scum opportunism.
VOTE: The Bulge.

[Ranger]

For a start: a simple iso will show one player has been pushing Some Random Mafia Player consistently and hardly since day one above all others.
But the moment Nosferatu throws a dumb vote down, IN LYLO MIND YOU, Bulge follows. (Well, technically, post-daykill it'll be mylo not lylo. Same thing.)

[Ranger]

Agreed that the 'townslip' is bad.

Except 3dice flipped scum. So, your options are

1. I am a serial killer who happened to forget there are only two mafia in the game: the slip was real.
2. I am a serial killer who thought fake-slipping would give me town credit. (Why?)
3. Or, I am town who happened to forget there were only two mafia in the game, and the slip was real.

I cannot be scum who knew there were only two, as both scum have already flipped. Thus, unless you can provide a compelling reason for why a SERIAL KILLER would fake the slip...the slip was real. Is it a town slip, no. It's a not-mafia-slip. Thus, null.

And right now: it should be pretty obvious that most likely, the scum are within {Nosferatu, The Bulge, Ranger} just off the timing of the kill. Ankamius is obviously town, and so is pisskop. Xtoxm is more questionable, but I maintain he is more likely town than not. I know I'm town, so it comes down to Nosferatu and The Bulge...and of them, Nosferatu looks like town (albeit a scum-designated mislynch), and The Bulge looks like opportunistic scum.

[Ranger]

why does the timing of the kill narrow it to {Nosferatu, The Bulge, Ranger}? The death was almost an hour after any post at that time.

Because we were the only three who had posted since day start, and unless someone was online and didn't post here (would have to check activity to confirm), that indicates one of us three would be the killer.

Hmm
Well I'm fucking lost then
Sheep ank to victory?
VOTE: xtoxm

Moving from one opportunistic wagon to another.

[Ranger]

Lynch Bulge, if the game's not over, then tomorrow it's first come, first claim.