Mafia 63: Wolves - Game over!

[Skruffs]

Rar! 11 pages isn't much. Reading up!
Love!

[Skruffs]

Wow. Is this how modern mafia is played?
Good lord.

Vote : Jordan

Reading. Page three was interesting.

[Skruffs]

Well, what's the point of voting her at all, if you are going to turn around and say "Nobody vote further" - if nobody votse further, and she KNOWS nobody votes further, then you've jsut undermined teh wagon entirely. It's like trying to direct a power role.
Well, maybe not that bad, but do you see where I am coming from?

[Skruffs]

Really sick this last weekend so didn't get to catch up.
Why the hell is Talitha at 4???

[Skruffs]

Okay.. so why wasn't Talitha lynched day one, then?
That's why this wagon seemes oppurtunistic, to me.

I'm going to suggest that, based on what I see, (not killing n0, killing twito n1), that the shooter is probably a vig. If it turns out that they tried to kill n0, or if players who are more pro-town than twito get shot, i'll change my mind.

I don't understand the issue with hidden roles.
.... Does someone have a reason to think that there is more than meets the eyes regarding the dead players?

In one werewolf game, the sorceror is a form of doctor. In another, though, he's like a werewolf godfather. That's in a 5-player werewolf game, though.
Reference : http://www.boardgamegeek.com/article/67050

There may have been more behind this post but I forget it now. Still sick and all that. ::P

[Skruffs]

Seriously, if you tell someone you are just voting them to put pressure on them, they know you aren't serious with it, and don't necessarily feel pressured. Be serious about your votes, or, if you aren't serious, at least ACT serious. Otherwise you are undermining your own intentions.

[Skruffs]

I voted Jordon for trying to orchestrate all of the town's voting practices today. He took Theo's rather slight reason on talitha and built it up three or four strong, then told everyone to stop voting. The point of hte game is to find scum, not show off.

[Skruffs]

Jordon is a better vote than BM - and i see that you have incurred more votes from others because of it.
NV9, why did you omgus talitha for voting jordon?

[Skruffs]

I'm not going to be voting Talitha, Jordan. She made a slip - you made a slip - why should she be held accountable and you not?

I kind of hope that there is a cult who can recruit me so that I can have some cookies. :9

[Skruffs]

BattleMage:

believe he is excellent as pro-town.

You do know BM's got himself another new sig now

Anyways

I think we should appply some more pressure to the Mage.

Vote Battle Mage

Saying "This is a pressure vote" on someone doesn't actually pressure them. IT's not saying that you are suspicious of them or have any real reason to be voting them, you aer simply curious about someone and want them to speak up more. Telling someone that you are 'only' pressuring them, is like saying 'take it easy, this doesn't mean anything' - when the purpose of pressure voting *IS* to apply pressure. If you want your vote to intimidate soeonme into talking - like a pressure vote presumably does - you do not warn them of yoru intentions before hand. It's a fairly fundamental part of bluffing. You do not, while playing poker, say "I've got three aces, so I'm going to raise." .... You *can* , and if you want to, feel free, but you give your opponents a huge upper hand. So don't do it. Vote someone and look suspicious of them, don't just bandwagon.

[Skruffs]

First, it's Jord

a

n, and second, neither of us are great votes, BM is acting strangely but not scummy, and

I made a little slip

after pointing out some very scummy posts, I was only trying to make sure that Tally didn't get too many votes before getting a chance to explain herself, not that I'm too bothered about that now, I see Tally as the correct play at the moment, I can see gut feeling being used as an excuse to not give reasons for voting, so I'm slightly suspicious of ~N9V~ as well.

Minor FOS: ~N9V~

Talitha, I was playing on words to knock some sense into Jord

a

n. I don't think you slipped up at all - you called for modkill on slackers, not SPECIFIC PEOPLE, right?

[Skruffs]

Bleh, you got four or five people on Talitha for suggesting lynching lurkers?!
This is worse than I thought. .Barring evidence or suggestions of any kind, why would you lynch people who actually contribute, who leave papertrails and whatnot?

[Skruffs]

Talitha was at -3 for saying that lynching a lurker over someone who was contributing on day one - with no evidence - and i'm more likely scum for saying that jordan is playing oppurtunistically? It's nice to meet you, Niempie. Please explain further.

[Skruffs]

THat's fair, niempime, I just don't see how jordan is coming accross as town. I say oppurtunistic because he took another person's vote, hopped on, and built a case to push for it. MAYBE he's just lynch happy town but the reasoning behind the talitha wagon is not enogh to merit 4 votes right off the bat. MAybe tha's jsut my opinion.

[Skruffs]

you also encouraged others to vote for her, and then told everyone to stop voting for her... I don't know, maybe I play too old fashioned, where, before you put four votes on someone as 'pressure votes' - and that *is* what you did, even to the point of directing town to stop voting her once she was 'pressured enough'. In my day, we would TALK to someone and let them dig their own holes for themselves, rather than digging it for them.

THAT"S called 'diplomacy'.

[Skruffs]

*poke*

[Skruffs]

I don't know if she's attacking him for being inactive - he's thrown in a bandwagon vote and lurked ever since.

[Skruffs]

I think it's led to quite a bit of action, Mistef. It was a good way to get the ball rolling, so to speak.

[Skruffs]

I'm a noob?

[Skruffs]

O.o
Town should always want to be helpful.

[Skruffs]

• Dragons of Summer
  replaces Scarecrow
  
  
• JordanA24
  replaces bird1111
  
  
• Miztef
  replaces Coron
  
  
• theopor_COD
  replaces spectrumvoid
  
  
• Skruffs
  replaces The Goat
  
  
• Fielding Melish
  replaces TonyMontana who was replacing TheJiveMachine

[Skruffs]

I replaced The Goat. If you suggest lynching me because of The Goat's inactiveness, you have just hanged yourself.

[Skruffs]

Was that directed to you, Theo?

[Skruffs]

You are voting Talitha for suggesting lynching players like The Goat. You don't seem interested, in your last comment, in getting more talk out from me. THere's no accusations or speculations or anytihng. You just seem interested in lynching someone because of past behavior. That's completely hypocritical.
No offense meant.

[Skruffs]

It's just that The Goat looked kinda scummy in his few posts as well. Skruffs has only been marginally better that Theo or Tally, but I will admit he has redeemed himself slightly over the last few posts.

Where is the speculation?
Where is the accusation?
"He looked kinda scummy" =|= either.. and it sounds like you are trying to lynch a player who has been replaced. Which is worse than just asking for a modkill. But you are right, it's so vague, it's hard to amke out what you are insinuating here.

[Skruffs]

I'm not sure how to take you trying to tie Theo to the wrong replaced lurker, when you say you are interested in the gamge. If you were paying attention to what you were doing you would have clicked on the blue '1' that means 'first page' - which shows all of the players and who they replaced. Everything you just said is, basically, false, in my eyes. I'm glad I'm already voting you.

[Skruffs]

IT's completely normal, based on past experience, for people to interpret m y game style as rather scummy. I don't know why, but something about the way I phrase things and suggest things always sets off alarms in people's heads. Then I have to stop scum hunting or brewing over hte facts or whatever and defend myself. I'm not complaining - it's what I have to do - and sometimes, oppurtunistic scum will get caught in trying to push too hard for me based on my posting flavor alone. If you look in any of my games (any of them except for the newbie where I was scum, anyways), I get lynched a lot in minis but I've never been lynched in a large game. I'm kind of stalled out with RL issues so I am not putting as much energy into posts as I would like, but, it's still there.

[Skruffs]

I don't understand why your post - which is a series of quotes that seem to be denigrating your own game play - makes me look suspicious.
On the plus side, I'm glad Talitha is not advocating a lurker lynch anymore. Now she's advocating a scum lynch. ^.^
Vote stays,

[Skruffs]

Explain?
I'm not pulling reasons out of my ass. I saw a very suspicious move in the beginnign of the day, and as you scramble to clean up after yourself, I point out what I see as suspicious behavior. You seem to be panicking, now, with two votes on you.
Somehow this just seems so ironic.

[Skruffs]

I'm not clinging, not at all - if I remember correctly, you are the one who stated that. I saw scum and now I see hypocritical scum. ETc etc, if my opinion changes, so will my vote.

[Skruffs]

You mentioned it, Jordan. I just acknowledged your mention of it.

[Skruffs]

OKay. I am going to go fishing and post something OUTRAGEOUS before midnight tonight.

[Skruffs]

*gives BM a bucket of bait*
THe difference between me fishing and you fishing is that I catch fish. You catch rubber boots. *nod*

[Skruffs]

Why is not saying I am scum, a scum tell? Weird.

I don't really care that BM is voting for me... from past experience in other games, that's

more powerful than a cop claim

in clearing me. BM refuses to vote scum and always votes townies and power roles. Normally I don't bring other games into other games, but if BM is going to, I will, too.

BM, sorry if I seem negative, but I think the wagon on Talitha for saying that a lurker - someone not participating in the game - should be lynched over someone who is talking, day one, is a ridiculous argument. Jordan later on pushed that someone was suspicious for lurking, or something to that effect, which is hypocrisy. I'm sorry if I seem 'negative' in not falling for overly contrived wagons.

[Skruffs]

Well, Someone did.
I think I'm in too many games, I'm being stretched too thin. I can't keep up! And it's making my game play suffer.

So you are saying that Shanba is scum, and that he would intentionally leave me out of his 'scum list', even though I'm way out there, because me and him are buddies together? Wouldn't that be counter productive?
Wouldn't it be more likely that Shanba, as scum, would put a mixture of his scum buddies in with obvious town, which would then leave a bread crumb trail back to someone else, so that if he got lynched, suspicion would fall on that other player?
I don't see how Shanba's post has anything to do with my alignment or role. Maybe he's neutral on me, neither town or scum.

Fact is I don' think many people OTHER than Talitha, Jordan, and myself have been posting much since day started. We are the only three that I remember sayign anything worth remarking about.

[Skruffs]

Why would scum say everyone but his scum buddies were scum?

[Skruffs]

Then why are you so confused about why he would put town mixed in with his scum buddies?

[Skruffs]

metagaming? It's based on my own, personal, experience.
And it was also meant as a joke. Everyone gets fooled sometimes.

[Skruffs]

I don't understand why it's okay for you to pressure someone for a 'slip up', orchestrating 3 or 4 votes on them, no less, and then complain constantly about one or two votes on you for basically the

same reasons

.
Am I scum for voting you, or is there more to it than OMGUS? Because to be honest I think trying to push for a quick wagon so close to a possible LYLO situation is a lot more suspicious than trying to keep said wagon from taking off.

[Skruffs]

If I was going after the most convenient town lynch, I would have wagoned onto Talitha with you. That's not my perogative.
You are the one who keeps referring to it as a slip-up; which is it? Did you make a mistake in going after Talitha or are you happy with it? You seem to be implying that you think talitha is town by sayign you slipped up, btu then you get angry at people who don't like that you were going after her, etc, etc, circular reasoning, etc.

Are you sayign that lurkers are more likely to be town than scum? Who should town be going after day one, if not people who are not helping town? What's your reasoning behind that?

[Skruffs]

Are you fishing, now, too?

[Skruffs]

I didn't slip at all. I said exactly what I wanted to say.
Jordan suggested that I was trying to go for the most convenient town lynch, which is wrong. Jordan was going after the most convenient town lynch, who is Talitha.

Why all "Either cop or scum" there, Pooky? Surely you read Jordan's post before you responded to mine like that?

[Skruffs]

You can't tell me I slipped if I intentionally phrased my words like that.

That was not a slip. I intentionally phrased it like that. Jordan suggested I was going after the most convenient town lynch, and I turned his phrasing back on him, because that is what HE started off the day by doing. He did not discuss anyone else - he started a wagon on Talitha, pressured her, when there was nothing to pressure her for and nothing she could say about it. He ignored ... well.. everyone else in the game, except for the one person who stood up for Talitha, who was me, who he of course lumps in as scum.
I put a wrench in his plans, so obviously, he is going to say I am scum. I don't like how Pooky would just solidify Jordan's atteck with an all or nothing, George-Bushian phrase trying to make a false dichotomy of me being either cop or scum. Wrong.

I am *NOT* claiming cop in ANY way, and I'm surprised someone would say that a sentence phrased like that can only mean One thing or the Other. I have made it pretty clear that I think Talitha's actions day one were pro-town.
A lot more town than Jordan's actions today, certainly.

[Skruffs]

If you read the post, I am implying that YOU are the one trying to get a townie lynched, not me. You can try to twist it to mean that I am scum and want to lynch Talitha, but that is ignoring every other things that I have said today. Feel free, though.

LOL, it came out of nowhere.
Right.

[Skruffs]

No, Shanba, I'm not.
the LOL was actually a misunderstanding on my part - I thought Jordan's post right before ti was addressed to me, not pookie.

Listen, I don't *KNOW* that Talitha is town, but when I see Talitha's style of play and Jordan's style of play, I see Talitha as an EASY target, someone that he went after as soon as day started for no significant reason. She wanted to move the daya to day two because day one is just random accusations and finally getting someone lynched because they said the wrong things. Jordan pinged on that, which is NOT a scum tell in any way, and tried to orchestrate a lynch on them, including but nto limited to directing possible scum buddies into voting her.

So yeah, I took his statement that I was going after the obvious town lynch and switched it back on him, because HE was going after obvious town.

I can continue to repeat this, again, and again, and again. It was an Intentional play on words. If that sort of thing is suspicious and scary adn confusing, then, maybe it *is* better if you guys lynch me now, because I'm going to have a bad game, otherwise.

[Skruffs]

If I was going after the most convenient town lynch, I would have wagoned onto Talitha with you. That's not my perogative.
You are the one who keeps referring to it as a slip-up; which is it? Did you make a mistake in going after Talitha or are you happy with it? You seem to be implying that you think talitha is town by sayign you slipped up, btu then you get angry at people who don't like that you were going after her, etc, etc, circular reasoning, etc.

Are you sayign that lurkers are more likely to be town than scum? Who should town be going after day one, if not people who are not helping town? What's your reasoning behind that?

Read my post again.
Do I say I know Talitha is town? Is that the context?
Jordan and pookei immediately tried to turn this into a "claim or die" situation. Bubllpookie.

[Skruffs]

sorry, that's meant to be "Bullpookie"

[Skruffs]

None of the above?
....
How about...
4) I disagree with your style of play.

And how about
If I was the cop, I wouldn't claim now, anyways.
If I was scum, I wouldn't claim now, anyways.
If I was a mason with Talitha, I wouldn't claim now, anyways.
If I was a regular townie, I wouldn't claim now, anyways.


Or how about this, how do WE know that YOU are the most convenient town lynch, as you declare yourself to be? Do you have a way to prove yourself? If not, why the hell are you trying to get me to prove Talitha's innocence with a claim, and not with simple logic, observation, and scum hunting skills?

[Skruffs]

More hypocrisy.


You want me to claim A, B, or C, when none of the above is true. When I try to tell you - Again - that it is in fact D, and that you are trying to chose a round peg into a square hole, you call that spinning.

I believe I've been reasonable and expressed myself clearly. You can continue to try and "spin" Things, yourself, but all that's going to do is more deeply imbed my vote against your scummy, scummy skin. *poke* Like that.

[Skruffs]

Saying we should be Lynching lurkers is scummy, obv.
But suggesting we start modkilling a bunch of them? That's pro-town.
Yeah, vote stands.
Yes, I know Phoebus has already suggested that players will be modkilled, but in my experience, people who suggest having Select players modkilled tend to be scum. And then it's good to look at who they avoided suggesting having modkilled.

[Skruffs]

Interesting.

I don't really believe NV9 at this time

, but, w/e.
I would rather quick lynch today -0 even if it's a mislynch - then to have there or possibly four players modkilled. Yes, the mod said he would modkill, but we don't need to be saying Who needs to be modkilled and who doesn't.

People are flaking out left and right, and I don't understand. This is a fun game. WEREWOLVES. FELCHERS. WOMEN'S HATS. You can not get kinkier than this game.

[Skruffs]

I'm gone until monday. Sorry. >.>

[Skruffs]

You're still on that?
Whatever.
Who was on the BAD Niempie wagon? Me? No.
A sibling is not the same thing as a twin. Here's the WIKI:

The classic Siblings roles are a Mafia Goon and a Cop that know each other, with the condition that if one dies, the other commits suicide the following night.

Variations that have been tried on this theme include:

* The Siblings have roles other than Goon and/or Cop.
* The Siblings do not know each other's alignments (in this case they are often called Lovers).
* The Siblings may talk at night.
* The Siblings suffer some other fate if the other dies.

In that regard, BM, being just a sibling, and not a sibling cop or sibling goon, is probably just linked to another person who will kill themselves tonight.

In IRC, a twin dies if the other twin is targeted - BM looks to have been eaten AND shot, or, probably, shot and then eaten. Doesn't make sense to shoot a piece of someone.

[Skruffs]

Why do you think "Commit suicide the following night" means "kills themself at dawn"? Just curious.

I'm not trying to CLEAR Myself, I'm asking why you are completely avoiding a wagon that came out of nowhere to continue to baselessly attack someone that you were attacking the day before.


5 Niempie (Battle Mage, Dragons of Summer, Jordan, Shanba, theopor_COD)
Oh look.
That's why you don't want to look at that wagon, because you were on it. For someone who was sure I was scum yesterday, you sure didn't mind putting a quick vote on Niempie for it. Let's go back and see WHY you voted her, shall we?

Mod

: I request we try one last time with prods before a mass-modkill, ~N9V~ and Jingolaw are posting elsewhere, but not here. Unfortunatly, Ancalagon, FM and possibly Niempie seem to have left the site, and need replacing/modkilling.

Next post:

Jordan, keep up, Melish has been replaced by Shanba.

Sorry, I was going by the front page.

We should just lynch Niempie.

I'd prefer Skruffs, but Niempie is my second choice.

Ancalagon - well yeh Pooky can shoot him down in the night.

Are you implying Pookyscum? If so, why?

Niempie still alive! What gives.

n9v should if he's telling the truth have two results. Being that we've had two nights. Fact that he only blurted out one innocent is very odd.

I'd advise the replacement not to post the other result (presuming he has one), even if it's a guilty, since we don't know your sanity yet. I'd give it another couple of nights worth of investigations, under doc protection, before posting any more results you get.

I'd be happy with a Skruffs or Niempie lynch, I'll see if others end up agreeing with me over Skruffs, but it looks like Niempie's going to be the wagon for today.

You went after Tally and then me (for defending Tally), and then pretty much out of the blue, you hop onto the Niempie thing. Why? Well.... here we go...

It's because all your posts have been very non-commital, we've already said that loads of times.

Hmm. Lynching lurkers is baaaad. Lynching people who advocate lynching lurkers is gooood. But then, lynching someone who's not contributing, one step up from lyurking, that's goood.

*bump*

Our deadline's in an hour, so, we really need to lynch somebody

NOW

.

Unvote Vote: Niempie

Oh, and here we go. We need to lynch somebody NOWX0RS!!! Because not lynching someone is BAD!!!! Which is EXACTLY WHAT YOU ATTACKED TALLY for, isn't it? Yeah, I'm pretty sure you attacked Talitha for something fairly similar to that.

Anyways, everyone else on that wagon should be examined too, but since you went into today which may potentially be lynch or lose blindly swinging, I'm going to just focus on you, first.

Is NV9 replaced? Can he help out with anything?



Side note:
Earlier in the day -

Jordon is a better vote than BM - and i see that you have incurred more votes from others because of it.
NV9, why did you omgus talitha for voting jordon?

First, it's Jord

a

n, and second, neither of us are great votes, BM is acting strangely but not scummy, and I made a little slip after pointing out some very scummy posts, I was only trying to make sure that Tally didn't get too many votes before getting a chance to explain herself, not that I'm too bothered about that now, I see Tally as the correct play at the moment, I can see gut feeling being used as an excuse to not give reasons for voting, so I'm slightly suspicious of ~N9V~ as well.

Minor FOS: ~N9V~

Fine. I'm cop, Pook's isn't scum, have fun guys and gals.

Now I know what Theo means about you being useless.

Why are you mad that NV9 cleared someone?
Also, you seem to be pretty tight with Theo this game. Why?

[Skruffs]

• [*]~N9V~
  
  
  [*]Ancalagon
  
  
  [*]Pooky
  
  
• Dragons of Summer
  replaces Scarecrow
  
  
• Jingolaw
  
• JordanA24
  replaces bird1111
  
  
• Miztef
  replaces Coron
  
  
• theopor_COD
  replaces spectrumvoid
  
  
• Talitha
  
• Skruffs
  replaces The Goat
  
  
• Shanba

Nobody is counterclaiming... well, not yet, anyways. Call me crazy, but I believe him.
If there is four or five mafia, than clearing three or four people just made this a 50/50 chance, or 62.5% chance, of us lynching right today.
Woot.
I don't really understand NV9's night choice, especially after yesterday. He could have cleared a lot of stuff up by investigating..well.. almost anyone else.

[Skruffs]

As long as we have a vig OR an SK, it's not LYLO. Well, theoretically, anyways.

Why do you think BM was acting scummy? He apparently pissed off both killing groups, somehow.

[Skruffs]

Is that why you killed him, Mr. Jordan?

[Skruffs]

^.^
Thank you.

[Skruffs]

I'm hesitant to follow someone 'like sheep' in a game with wolves that eat people in it. The sky is not quite falling, yet.

But Pooky's input is important.

[Skruffs]

It would be a lot easier to believe NV9 if we could test him, presumably by having a guilty result. He's cleared pooky, though, tentative as it is. I see no reason not to follow pooky - within reason. I'd prefer to be followed, myself, but of course that isn't going to happen, or else we'd have lynched scum (*coughjordancough*) yesterday.

[Skruffs]

Well, checking me would convince me of your sanity. That's selfish, though. The person most centered in the action would be a good choice, because then you get a lot of other people's reactions to him. Yesterday, that would have been me, jordan, and talitha.
Well, from my perspective, anyways. Mistef talked a lot about scum wanting to kill cop at the end of the day, yesterday. Theopor was also skeptical, whereas shanba was interested in getting his results.

Pretty much all of those names would be my guess, and toss in anyone on the Niempie wagon yesterday - Dragons of Summer, Jordan, Shanba, theopor_COD. Probably not Shanba, though, who seems to be playing a solid game, at least so far.

So in conclusion, in order of investigationnessedness.,
Jordan, Mistef, theopor_COD, Dragons of Summer.
Jingolaw, me, Shanba, Talitha.. Look at me, protecting all the female-sounding names. I think Shanba and Talitha are town, but I've gotten in trouble already for that once this game.
....
That's almost everyone you haven't investigated yet, isn't it.

Am I still voting Jordan? Good.
I encourage all scum to bus him, it'll make things a lot easier for you.

[Skruffs]

Pooky - should we be blindly following you, now?

[Skruffs]

I don't know if the doctor could prevent a suicide, if that is what is going to happen to BM's sibling.

Mass claim sounds fine to me...


Jordan - what 'evidence' is there for me?? I am so confused. Here's some evidence against you: You ignored everything that happened yesterday after your wagon (like the deadline wagon, the night deaths, etc) to focus back on me today, which I have seen scum do in two or three games now. Anime Mafia - mini, yamahoko on cubs fan, day two, and PS2SUX mafia, klebian on coolbot, is two of them. I can probably russle up more, if you want.

[Skruffs]

I'm not expecting you to forget. Did I say 'forget about yesterday'? No. I asked why you ignored

everything and everyone else

to start a wagon back up on me, again, when there was More to look at in the game.

Why are you voting me? Why do you think I am scummy? If you are going to focus on me to the exclusion of everyone else, please state reasonings so that it can be addressed by me and everyone else.


Jingo - Jordan sees Talitha as scummy because she advocated a lurker lynch day one (though he advocated nearly the same himself, day two) and (I am guessing) because I stood up for her after he got an easy four votes on her about a page into day two.


Jordan - what is your opinion of Pookie and Dragons of Summer? I don't remember you thinking DoS was scummy before Pookie voted him - now, suddenly, he's on your list. Why?


If nobody was voting me yesterday, maybe it was because your reasoning was weak. Now you are jumping back on me today, using the

same reasoning

, which gives you a good excuse to just keep on voting me until (presumable, based on previous play) you see a last minute wagon you can jump onto.

Sorry, that doesn't cut it for me. Your behavior does *not* strike me as town, in any way.

[Skruffs]

Firstly Skruffs, you're constantly attacking a protown player (ie.Me), and seem hallbent on getting me lynched, we hardly need another town loss, we may be in, and we're definatly close to, lylo, another town death, followed by a town NK, could be the win for the scum, aka you.

Back this up with evidence.
Who's voting who?
Who wants people to by lynched for not agreeing with them?
Who's singleminded focus since yesterday has been the lynching of ONE player?
Who's voting oppurtunistically in this game?
You really need to take a look at yourself before you start accusing me of these things. I'll read the rest of your post later, though.

[Skruffs]

Secondly, this slip still doesn't sit right with me:

If I was going after the most convenient town lynch, I would have wagoned onto Talitha with you. That's not my perogative.

There's a claimed cop, so I doubt that was a cop slip up, so that only leaves us with that being a potential scum slip. After I questioned it, your response was:

Are you fishing, now, too?

Secondly, and as I've stated again, and again, that was not a slip. You were pushing hard for a talitha lynch the day before - for doing something that is not by most people considered scummy. Then you attacked me for questioning this. You accused me of pushing for 'the easiest town lynch' - and I flip flopped it on you and said you were doing the exact same thing you were accusing me of doing. I never claimed cop, and I never meant for it to be insinuated that I was claiming or breadcrumbing anything like cop - that was way before NV9 claimed cop, too. I know you really really really want to distort anything to get that delicious mislynch or two you need to win, but you are cutting off your own feet by trying to make something into what it is not.


Rest of your post, later. I'm doing individual posts because I want you to read my posts and really look through them. You seem to have this incredible bias towards me for questioning your actions, and that's going to end up getting you in trouble.

[Skruffs]

Talitha: Don't forget about the misspellings, which he wouldn't have done if he was really a werewolf, right?
I'd like to roll my eyes but I don't know the icon for it.

My opinion on DOS is that he is one of the only players who were active yesterday who seemed to have any idea of what I was saying about Talitha. He didn't really take a side in regards to voting, IE he defended me but he didn't attack Jordan, or attack me, or defend Jordan. He wasn't on the mislynch yesterday but he was on the lynch on fircoal day one.

In short, he's kind of a lurker who doesn't aggravate people. He's not on my personal shit list like Jordan is, but he hasn't done anything especially pro town. And when he talked about the two killing roles, he listed the arrow-shooter before he listed the 'warewolfs', as if the arrow shooter (whether vig or sk) was more of a threat than the wolves are. That is about the only scum tell I see from him, so far.

[Skruffs]

except you did, didn't you?

anyways

[Skruffs]

*ties a little ribbon aroudn Jordan, lokos around, and ties the other end to Pookie*

[Skruffs]

I don't see where Niempie 'attacked' me. She said that in her eyes I was more likely scum than Jordan, but I wouldn't consider that an attack.

[Skruffs]

Vote : theopor_COD

[Skruffs]

oh, duh, wait, nevermind. I completely misremembered what was going on, and thought THeo and DOS was voting pooky. It's waaaay too early.

Unvote

Vote : DOS

HoThis is mostly to help move the game along. I don't intend to be on the lynching wagon if there is not some discussion and/or juicy catfights first.

[Skruffs]

Jordan, why are you voting DOS right behind me? Am I not the most likely person in your eyes to be scum? Doesn't that mean you are aiding and abetting my hopeful mislynch on a townie?

[Skruffs]

That ribbon between you and Pookie has not yet been tested for it's load bearing weight. Just so you know.

I think it's fascinating that you want a mass claim when, other than that, you've not really gone after more than one - or perhaps two - people.

This, while simultaneously wagoning DOS for another short day.

May I suggest that Jordan be the first to claim, if such a thing as that were to occur?

[Skruffs]

You could just as easily get a broader range of suspects by taking your 'skruffs = scum' blinders off.
I'd like to point out that NV9 is alive today, as the claimed cop, and as long as the doctor - if there is one - doesn't claim, he can continue to be alive until the scum 'get lucky'. Lining up power roles to be knocked off is a bad idea, especially when there is so much confusion about what some of the already dead roles are or were.

[Skruffs]

Because I just told you to ignore me, right, exactly.
You seem to think I am saying ignore me, and I am honestly trying to help you with this:

I want a broader range of possible scum.

At least, that's what you JUST CLAIMED, you wanted, but apparently... that's not really your interest? You just want a bunch of claims for no reason?
Make up your mind.

[Skruffs]

I like that Pookie is trying to stimulate some form of action. Why he chose theopor for a random wagon this close to potential lylo, I am not sure, but, people have responded to it. I don't know if there is a specific reason why it's still going on - I suppose that if theo is scum, his buddies are unwilling to bus him, and if he's town and pooky is scum, again, buddies are unwilling to jump onto such a strangely constructed wagon. I have no problem following him for now, but I would like his reasoning, even if it's pooky-reasoning and doesn't make sense - before anyone actually gets lynched. Otherwise we'll have a repeat of what happened yesterday, with Niempie, where someone just votes someone and everyone else piles on.

[Skruffs]

dammit, trade out all instances of "Thepor" with "dragons of summer"

[Skruffs]

Why not take a vote, not including the claimants, of wether none, some, or all players should claim?
Maybe just everyone who wants everyone to claim should claim, or maybe... Meh.

[Skruffs]

Grrr, everytime I post to this game it gets removed from my watch list. I'm sorry, peoples.

[Skruffs]

~NV9~ - why does Phoebus's presence factor in to when you claim today?

[Skruffs]

I wouldn't call it a bandwagon, it's more a pooky wagon.
I was kind of hoping Pooky would explain it, after a while, but... His explanation was that this isn't a court of law.

Hmm.

Unvote

Vote : Pooky

[Skruffs]

I'm a gong farmer. I clean out the castle's latrines.
One night during the game I can make myself untargettable.

[Skruffs]

Did you guess pooky?
Cuz you'd'be right.
Since i've betrayed some sort of fellowship, or something, and am already accused of treason, i may as well twist the proverbial knife a bit more.

Your turn, pooks!
Jordan, something about the way you are trying to direct the order of things makes me want to buck your system.

[Skruffs]

Wow, pooks jumped Right in line behind bobby. Thanks, Pooks.

Jordan - I had forgotten Pooky was cleared. Obviously I would not have wasted my request on someone who was cleared.

[Skruffs]

Interesting, Talitha. I would think that Wolfsbane probably only affects wolves, though. Mine is total.
If my claim is called into question, I guess I can request to be arrowed tonight or something. If I die, then I am lying, and if I don't, then I am not. Or, because I don't want to direct power roles, someone else could offer to target me in a way that provides results, but I think traditionally the spare kill is more effective.

[Skruffs]

Jordan - We want cleared people. Period. That's the point of the mass claim. IF you were worried about targets, I think you'd have been mroe reluctant to make everyone claim.

[Skruffs]

Cleaning latrines is a respectible occupation. However, wading waist high in Royal Excrement does come with drawbacks. Talitha's role seems to be based entirely on wolves, whereas mine makes me unliked by all. Sorry.

[Skruffs]

unvote

Watch pooky be a godfather, I just know it.

[Skruffs]

I'm confused why people are saying that me and talitha's'roles are not both possible. I have a one shot immunity to all actions - all actions, mind you - and talitha has multiple-shot protection from werewolves only. Granted, it does seem odd to have two doctors AND two voluntarily kill-immune players, but, whatever. It's'bad form to question a back up doc.

Cicero, do you want me to activate my ability, or would you prefer I simply die?

I agree with pooky regarding the cop. He's'not 'caught' anyone yet, and so may not actually be sane.


The tailor's flavor fits in with mine and, presumably, the fletcher's. Also, the tailor can switch targets to make wolves eat themselves or whatnot. This makes me want to ask - NV9, are you sure your results are on the people you targetted?

If the werewolves know what all the roles are, as someone theorized, then pooky is even more cleared. A werewolf would know what role is what - so making a bad claim like 'villager' probably wouldn't happen.

Cicero, i hope you don't offense but i am going to 'work late' tonight. If you are going to try and kill me, you're going to smell like a dead skunk in the morning.

[Skruffs]

Yikes, cicero went and pushed a hammer pretty fast. Oh well.
See you in the morning, folks, if the wolves haven't won by then.

[Skruffs]

Bah.

[Skruffs]

-grumbles-

[Skruffs]

I don't feel SO bad about losing, considering there was two doctors, masons, cops, whatever a tooth fairy is, and eat proof players all over the place... for the record, the wolves had no abilities, I dont even think the Alpha had immunity to inspections.
Four basic mafia vs 9 power roles and two 'fluke' roles and three regular townies seems a little... off balanced. But I'm probably just sore, this is the first game I lost as scum.

I'm really curious how Pookie suddenly figured out all four scum basically at once, though... all the planning, the buddying up to Talitha, etc, all came to naught. Oh well, good job town, even though the werewolves should have won, just on principle.

[Skruffs]

I think DOS should have claimed something USEful instead of jester.. oh well.

[Skruffs]

The reason I wasn't on the wagon was because I was trying to portray nervousness about it possible being lylo and a claimed townie with odd flavor tryingt o push a wagon on DOS for no reason...