MINI 504- PEGBAM...GAME OVER!

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/confirm

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OMG, PEGBAM is underway!!!!!! It's so exciting.

With that said,

Vote: Jdodge

Come on guys, lets go lynch the obvious scum that is Jdodge.

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Karen is also a good lynch for today, and I would be voting for her if jdodge was not obv. scum. So what are we waiting for?

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Cause Karen is obv scum, but not as obv as jdodge scum. Which reminds me, why has jdodge not been lynched yet?

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The fact that jdodge has not been lynched yet makes me quite sad. This town fails.

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If jdodge was not obviously scum then I would be so voting for originality right now. He reeks of scum, just not as much as jdodge.

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I have decided pregame to push a lynch on jdodge. Unless someone really jumps out as scum to me, then I'm going to stick with my vote on jdodge. That, and he is so obviously scum.

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Omg yaus, the bandwagon has started. Come on guys, only like 5 more votes needed.

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Yes, I haven't been helpful at all, but niether has anyone else. I wasn't going to change how I decided to start the game out.

I'm actually a little happy that a wagon was started on me, cause now we can find out who some opportunistic scum are.

So Chron, why do you decide to change from completely not caring about me pushing a lynch for jdodge to voting for me?

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Yes, but she was the one to first bring it up. I'm not surprised at being voted at for my play style in this game. Oman voted for me 15 minutes later. Looks like he was just waiting for someone to vote for me so that he could. The chronX, who said in his previous post that the way I was playing was simply fun and weird, and he was clearly not worried about it. He basically did a 180.

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Both yours and oman's votes looked opportunistic to me, that is all.

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Guys, No lynch is bad day 1. I am also against extending the deadline on day 1 as well. I would view that as a waste.

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Um, cause its day 1 chronX. Not much occurs on day 1, and in fact, most of the cases brought up against people are mostly due to gut. I also have already explained why I pushed for a jdodge lynch.

There is no point in extending day 1. Not much will be gained by it, and that extension can be very useful later on in the game.

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ChronX, let me explain something to you. My push on jdodge is not a scumtell. You can consider it a bad play, that is fine. Bad play, however, does not equal scummy play. You, however, are keen on trying to get this to lynch me. I view that as a scumtell. You are taking a predetermined play from me, a joke even(I'll admit it) and trying to get me lynched for it.

Before you even say that you thought nothing of it, and yet you are trying to use it against me? Are you really desperate to try to put a case against me? Also, you suggest an extension on day 1, which is no good, and you consider no lynch a decent play? Yeah, I think you are scum.

So with that,

Unvote, Vote: chronX

I guess jdodge lynch can wait a day.

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Are you suggesting that we three are playing this game together? That we have an alliance? Well we don't. If you can prove that we have a connection then please do so. And there is no point in extending day 1. Oh and read the rules. We get one extension.

And this is not an omgus. You have created a crappy case against me, going mostly on stipulation. Then you say that me pushing for a jdodge lynch does not worry, then you try to use that to get me lynched? Yeah, I'm happy with my vote.

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EBWOP:

SUPER IMPORTANT RULE #16

[16] Auto 15 day deadlines. One extension to 20 days will be allowed. *see rule 5*

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chronX, what I do outside of this game does not effect my play in this game, or any other game I play. I do not play with alliances, well at least not on mafiascum(can't say the same for scumchat). You even suggesting the fact that the 3 of us my be working together with the mods only makes me even more suspicious of you.

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Vote: Panzer

No doubt about it. This guy is scum is scum so lets just lynch him.

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Yeah, he is scum. I am certain of that. The jdodge thing was a joke. This one is not.

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Actually Oman, jdodge did not provide any reason for his votes yesterday. If you can find somewhere that he did, show me, but I could not find any. So yeah, why is he not being questioned?

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And the jdodge thing was a joke. This time around it is not. I'm telling you that panzer is scum. I

know

this. You should be able to figure this out by now.

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EBWOP: Not to mention that I was trying to get chron lynched at the end of day 1. And I had reasons for that. Seeing as panzer replaced chron, this isn't really the same situation.

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Um, I don't have to elaborate on anything panzer. I know you are scum, that is it.

Secondly, this has nothing to do with your originality vote. Basically it goes back to what chronX was trying to pull at the end of day 1. Now, if you thought I was hinting at cop, why would you reveal that?

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So, let's lynch panzer now, as he pretty much just lied. You are not the cop, as I am. Can we lynch this scum now?

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Oh and panzer, since you just claimed cop, even though its a lie, want to tell us your "result?"

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Jdodge, I would appreciate it if you vote for panzer as he is scum, though I do slightly understand your reason to vote for distad.

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Considering I got a guilty on panzer, you can say I don't. At least I am not considering panzer to be a cop.

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Well, the town has to choose to believe me or you. Of course I prefer that they lynch you over me, but at least I know I caught scum no matter what happens today.

Also, wouldn't the logical investigation, panzer, be originality? I mean, you were voting for him at the end of day 1. And no, I am not treating you like a treated jdodge. Jdodge was a joke, you are not. I got a guilty on you panzer, and my investigation actually makes sense.

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I'm going to assume I am sane jdodge.

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Karen, that is not true at all. I get it is my fault for how i worded it. Panzer's logical investigation would be for originality. He was voting for him at the end of day 1, and thus, he would most likely be the person panzer thought to be most scummy.

Now I investigated panzer. That is the logical investigation for me as I found him to be the most scummy. I was voting for him at the end of day 1 because of what chron was doing. I had my reasons for voting for chron, and that is basically why I investigated panzer.

Now If panzer investigated poppin for lurking, why did he choose her over the rest of the lurkers? When you think about it, his reasoning is not that plausible because there were more then one person lurking at the end of day 1.

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So you voted for someone who you didn't consider scummy, or at least the most scummiest?

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Panzer I haven't been blindly calling you scum. I had my reasons for that. You obviously don't understand that I found chronX the most scummiest at the end of the day, which is why I investigated you. When I got a guilty on you, that was basically the nail in the coffin. Oh and how have you been trying to make a game a difference? At least how much more of this have you be doing than me? YOU DID NOTHING DAY 1 PANZER. You replaced in and placed a vote on originality with no reasoning at all. I don't see this attempt to catch scum panzer.

Oh and oman, I do not think karen is the lynch, as we have two claimed cops. You should probably pick one of me or panzer.

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I disagree with both you and jdodge, oman. Both me and panzer should not survive the day. One of us is scum, so you guys have to decide which one to believe. And jdodge, I doubt the two cop thing. Yes its possible, but not plausible. And since I have a guilty result, I am not going to be hesitant with trying to get panzer lynched. I am not going to doubt my sanity, I am going to believe that I am sane until proven otherwise.

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I was kinda leaning towards there being a doc Oman. And I do not think scum would keep me alive anyways.

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1 cop and 1 doc is much more believable than two cops with different sanities.

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I'm interested into why you believe panzer over me.

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Karen, please explain why you chose me over panzer. Your previous reasoning was flawed, as I have shown.

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No, i'm not. She said that i'm scum cause I didn't investigate originality. I already explained that that would not have been a logical investigation for me. She totally misunderstood my point when I said your logical investigation is originality. I do not mean it is the same for me. Then she says you have plausible reason for your investigation? When there were many other lurkers, her included.

No, I am not stretching. If anyone is, it was her.

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Oh and show me where you have been scumhunting panzer. You have done nothing this game so far except fakeclaim a cop.

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So, you want to answer me and show me where you have been trying to hunt scum? Because I do not see it.

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Panzer you just gave yourself out as scum. You said that if i'm insane/sane cop, you believe Distad to be scum. Well seeing as you claimed cop, and I got a guilty on you, why would you, a supposed cop, consider me as being sane. That's right, cause you're scum. My vote stays.

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Yep, and that leaves the scum with the opportunity to kill the real cop(me).

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Why do you guys doubt the existance of a doc. More often than not, in normal games, there is a doctor. So if we lynch the lying scum panzer today, the doc can protect me tonight, and we can get more out of me then one caught scum.

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Jdodge, this doesn't force to make the mafia go anywhere with there kill. Scum will not pass up the opportunity to kill the cop. The only thing that we will gain by not lynching one of us, if by having one of us killed. Its that simple. Your plan is not going to prove anything. If I'm the only cop, I die. If we are both cops, one of us die, setting up the other.

I already explained why I thought panzer was scum, as well as my guilty result on him. Not to mention I haven't seen anything worth reason from him, and yet he says that he has been far more productive than me. At least I admit that I did nothing day 1. Then he tries to play off the fact that he even considered I could be a sane cop. Yeah, it could have been an honest mistake, but I'm not about to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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And Karen, team asshat has no relevance in this game. I dislike that you keep bringing it up.

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Yeah, don't insult me please. I'm not acting like a moron. Your plan does nothing for me, as panzer is scum. I am very confident of this. The fact that you believe the two cop scenario more than the one cop and one lying scum is unnerving to me.

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EBWOP: Your plan does nothing for us(the town).

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EBWOP(2): I also see no point in not trying to get someone who I feel so strongly to be scum. Nothing anyone of you people in this game say can make me change my position on it. Panzer is scum in my eyes, and thus I'm going to do my best to get him lynched.

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Um distad, stop doubting the existence of a doc. And jdodge, I am thinking about this, and I came to the conclusion that my way is the best way to go. Its fine if you disagree with me, and I have no problem with discussing it with you, except that you keep insulting me. I don't appreciate that, and if you aren't going to be civil during the game then I'm not going to even attempt to discuss things with you.

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Actually, I think I overreacted with you calling me a moron, jdodge. If you want to do it, thats fine, but that is no way to change my opinion. I was frustrated that you are pushing us both to survive. I honestly don't see us benefiting from it anyway. And I have thought about both of us being cops, and I doubt that. Greatly. Any scum would counterclaim the cop who got a guilty investigation(in this situation I do realize that I "technically" counterclaimed panzer, but I believe I forced him to do this with my hinting).

The way I see it, if we go through with your plan, we will most likely lose two protown roles(unless we catch scum) when we lynch and when the scum kill me during the night. The reason I want to lynch panzer is so their is no confusion for the doc if we have one. He does not have to choose between me or panzer, and can instead protect me until he dies, giving us much more opportunities for me to catch scum.

Now can you please explain what your idea has to offer jdodge. You might have said it before, but can you please repeat it.

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Yeah, but I can totally see the scum outing at least one member of their team to get rid of the cop. Also, if we have two cops, then I truly want us both to live, but what I see happening is the mafia will kill one of us, while setting up the other one.

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You know ergo, people do hint at cop from time to time. Just because you do not agree with it does not mean that it is true. Sure, I could maybe have tried to start up a case against him instead of hinting right at the start, but this is my first time as a cop, and I don't believe it was a bad play by me. Of course, I could be putting to much faith in there being a doc.

I am also upset with Panzer's most recent posts, they are quire not relevant, not to mention he has yet to respond to my question(s).

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And that makes me scum how?

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Karen, we have to vote for the deadline extension. Just because someone is at five votes does not mean that we get an extension.

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I investigated ergo. He is innocent. My reasoning for investigating was because he was the person panzer claimed to have an innocent on, and I wasn't sure what to think of him at the end of the day.

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Maybe they fear that there is a doctor, and they didn't want to risk not being killed? Thats the only reason i can think of.

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Um karen, I try not to believe the mafia. My investigation was not absurd, not matter how much you think it. Stop acting like you are a pro who have played for years. And the fact that both both chron and oman had quarrels with each other, the same with oman and panzer, i find it highly unlikely that oman is scum.

Also, may I point out your contradiction. You said that a cop is the only one who can clear someone basically. Well you just said that ergo was cleared due to panzer claiming an innocent on him. So yeah, way to go there.

Don't call me a poor cop just because you don't agree with my investigation. Unlike you, I'm not going to believe whatever a mafia member says. I would also have rather investigated you than oman.

At the end of the day yesterday, you said you were leaning to panzer being scum over me, yet you keep your vote on me. Explain this.

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I've given up lynching Scot in favor of accepting the 2 cop idea.

there is definitely the possibility of a 2 cop scenario. however, since Scot has sworn on his life that you are scum, either you ARE scum, OR Scot is scum. the two are clearly exclusive.

so, in the sense that Scot is not "giving up" on you, but you are giving up on him,

you are probably scum.

this is obvious, since an honest cop would NEVER let up from a false claim.
also, in virtually all of our setups with multiple cop scenarios, the cops are informed of their counter-parts, ergo you wouldn't try and kill the other cop.

this being noted, assuming Scot is the cop, Erg0 is 115% correct in that Scot is quite possibly the most novice cop i have ever seen.

Desisted and Oman are most likely to be scum. Seems to be pushing scot and giving completely bullshit reasons to do so.

by the above reasoning of Panzer being scum, this is either a straight up bus, or very helpful in letting us know these two are vanilla.

since both of them are currently on the Panzer bandwagon, i'm personally going to assume it is likely there is one bus and one vanilla. i would suggest that our cop(s) (assuming one out of 50 of them live through tonight) check one of them out this evening.

YOU FUCKING SAID IT RIGHT THERE. Oh, and I'm not a weak player. I stand by my investigation. Just because you agree with it does not mean it was not a good choice. I know your logic behind what you said, and you were wrong. YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING A MAFIA MEMBER SAYS. I was unsure of what to think of ergo at the end of the day. Panzer claiming an innocent on him should be nothing more than a null tell. I do not put this play pass panzer. Panzer is an aggressive player, and this is a play I can see him making. You overlooking this is poor play.

You can insult me all you like, but it is not helping you at all. The only reason I am holding off voting for you is because I want to wait and see what jdodge has to say.

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EBWOP: Just because you disagree with me karen does not mean it was not a good choice.

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Karen needs to claim. Now.

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Karen, I have played with kscope before, and this is how he plays. He was also town in the other game i played with him.

Its time for you to claim karen.

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Oman, why the hell did you kill last night. This makes me believe that you are sk rather than vig. But it will all be clear after this day. Town won this game.

Vote: Distad

<=======Guilty

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Shit, if oman is the sk, then we lost.

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I agree with you jdodge that it is odd that the mafia has not attempted to kill me, but I am the cop. Yes I screwed up day 2. I should made a case against panzer, which I was able to do, but I made a bad play.

Anyways, your plan does work jdodge, but of course you would have to be town, but I'm confident that you are.

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Oman, why did you kill? You do realize that if you hit wrong, we would have lost.

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I was actualy doubting that you might be a 4th mafia member jdodge, but if that was the case then the town would have lost, as it would be 2-2.

Before I switch my vote jdodge, I want you to claim. If you are the doc, then there is still possibility of oman being the sk. If not, then I'm pretty sure oman is the vig since there was only 1 kill night 1.

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Actually, you don't have to claim. Oman claimed that he killed originality, so I'm guessing you are the doc jdodge.

Unvote, Vote: scot

Anyways, I'm leaning towards oman being the sk. He has killed everynight, so yeah, not looking so good for the town.

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EBWOP:

Unvote, Vote: scot

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Oman, hammer me, and If you are the vig, then

VIG DISTAD

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Wait, what jdodge?

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Unvote

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But then we would lose to mafia? Distad would just choose one of us to kill, and thats it game over.

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Yes, but jdodge, if we lynch distad, the last mafia member(of course you have doubts that it is me) then there is the chance that we can win if oman is the vig. If we lynch oman, we have no chance, mafia wins.

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No, i'm not voting until you explain yourself. We know that there is one mafia member. That person is distad. We do not know that oman is the sk. If he is the sk, then we lose anyway. If he is not, then we can win if we lynch distad.

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What if we lynch oman and he turns up the vig, what happens then?

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I'm not trying to argue with you jdodge. If you were in the same position as me jdodge, you would probably be doing the same.

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Jdodge, I'm guessing you can't reveal your plan or else it would not work. Now, I want to believe you. I do, but its tough. I wish you could tell me why, but I understand that your probably can't.

Anyways, I don't see an alternative. Its clear you aren't going to vote for distad, and distad won't vote for himself.

You better be right jdodge

Vote: Oman

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That hurts jdodge. I'm using my brain.

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Why did you kill every night oman, especially last night when if you killed wrong, town would have lost.

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Cause it isn't.

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I have been told 1/3 scum more often than 1/4.

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Panzer is not in the game anymore Oman. And distad, you are scum, I'm not about to listen to your plan. Only person I trust is jdodge.

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I'm going to take responsibility for not doing so good this game. It was my first game as a cop, and I fucked up. I admit it. Karen, however, you fucked us over when you hammered yourself.

The two people who I thought played well was jdodge and ergo. Karen, you caught the scum, but you lost us the game when you hammered yourself.

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Yes, kscope did good to. Out of the scum, he looked the most town to me.