Micro 528: Double Day Unlimited -- Game Over

[Lucky2u]

Well that's an interesting VC

wait why am I at L-3 srsly guys

VOTE: Lucky2u cuz you modded that one game that two other players here were in.

this makes sense, in that case

VOTE: vedith
VOTE: davsto
VOTE: firebringer

[Lucky2u]

Well that's an interesting VC

wait why am I at L-3 srsly guys

VOTE: Lucky2u cuz you modded that one game that two other players here were in.

UNVOTE: davsto
UNVOTE: vedith

serious votes time, leaving firebringer as he is scum and adding

VOTE: luna

[Lucky2u]

your voting everyone and removing votes after they prove they are town seems like reverse (I'm drawing a blank on the term here... AtE? the one where you reward other players for agreeing with you/town reading you). Worst case scenario it's greedy and anti-town if you are town. Day 1, this is good enough for a vote from me

[Lucky2u]

after reading this again I see that lane agreed with the plan.... which is even scummier than luna coming up with it....

VOTE: lane

UNVOTE: firebringer

[Lucky2u]

your voting everyone and removing votes after they prove they are town seems like reverse (I'm drawing a blank on the term here... AtE? the one where you reward other players for agreeing with you/town reading you). Worst case scenario it's greedy and anti-town if you are town. Day 1, this is good enough for a vote from me

Why is it not a good strategy for someone that usually has an easier time finding town than scum?

because it's greedy, also benefits from a scum pov, and forces us to play around you rather than with you.

[Lucky2u]

1) I'm not good at scumhunting, im better off townhunting.

this is an excuse for failure later.

[Lucky2u]

1) I'm not good at scumhunting, im better off townhunting.

this is an excuse for failure later.

What do you mean.

we mislynch player x, you were behind the wagon for player x, we question you about it. you say "Well I told you I wasn't a good scum hunter!"

[Lucky2u]

Prod Dodge... Lots to catch up on

[Lucky2u]

after reading this again I see that lane agreed with the plan.... which is even scummier than luna coming up with it....

VOTE: lane

UNVOTE: firebringer

Why no vote on kyndy her as well? I didn't agree with the plan at all... rvs much

Nope, not accepting that argument.

[Lucky2u]

I got kiiiind of messed up today because the Saints were screwing the pooch. 4-12 year here we come. 6-10 maybe. Drunk readthrough time!

I'm not planning to ever vote more than two people at a time.

This first page is GREAT. Everyone who posted on it except for lane is town.

Vote: lane0168

The second page confirms again that lane is scum and kyndy is town. Davsto is still a question mark here but I'm giving you the side eye so step it up. Help vedith are those post numbers in 44? Please use the bbcode to link to posts! idk how lucky arrived are his initial conclusions and reads they're like the complete opposite of mine to this point so you get side eye too sir. Don't like the pileup on Luna she is town. Lucky attacking her style of townhunting over scumhunting is bunk. Also I think that's lucky the game theorist disagreeing with luna the game theorist and probably not actually scummy, but it's still bunk. Town hunting is how we are going to win this game so let her do it. I hate vedith's vote because it is piggybacking off of lucky's bunk game theory reasoning. THAT is actually scummy.

Vote: Vedith

Of course, lane following in the footsteps of this is just as bad, but I'd feel weird voting one person and not another for it, so I'm just gonna FoS both of you and move on.

^^^^^^ lane's scumpartner if vedith doesn't flip scum yeah

I'm seriously not interested in the rest of this page of back and forth between two people and will not be reading it in detail.

OK my drunk gut has already figured out enough for tonight.

Scum(my): lane, vedith, maybe davsto
Town forever: luna, firebringer, kyndy, probably lucky rabbit

lane is seriously so scum look at 112 that is the scummiest scum post.

You're probably right. I retract my game theory read on Luna.

UNVOTE: all

[Lucky2u]

Unvote: pablito

This kind of analisis is town IMO.

Don't base town reads on effort.

[Lucky2u]

I don't see lucky2u as town. Look over his 7 posts they are completely all over the place and has no direction.
He takes his first vote serious I think then invites several players then says I am scum then later invites me and places it somewhere else, it's all over the place with him in short span.

It's not reading town to me, Null at best.

You are right fire, have a cookie.

I am very suspicious of being called town for my pursuit of Luna. If I was scum and a town player did what she did, I'd be all over her like a fat kid on a cake. It's too easy to mislynch and take little heat for. After looking at the interactions again, she is probably just mislead town...

[Lucky2u]

Important reads as of now...

Firebringer is probably town. I've played several times with him lately I think I got a good understanding of him now. The more brazen he is, the more likely he is town.

Luna, town for being bad at theory.

I'm most suspicious of Lane and Vedith. Lane distancing from his vote everyone and overall lack of strong commitment. Vedith for misrep.

VOTE: lane0168
VOTE: vedith

[Lucky2u]

Also, I don't trust you at all. You know why too.

Let's talk about that later

[Lucky2u]

Also forgot to comment this earlier but:

Luna, town for being bad at theory.

Why me being bad at theory makes me town?

You aren't an alt right?

[Lucky2u]

This isn't a tunnel either. You need to reevaluate what you think tunneling is. Yes my read on lane has stated consistent (he is continuing to be scummy after all) but it is so far from the only thing I'm focused on that I don't even really know how you thought you could get away with calling this tunneling with a straight face.

Trust me, lane knows the definition of a tunnel. He did it for 4 straight day phases in my last modded game.

[Lucky2u]

Ogml, when I flip town, sorry for your sake, if I flip town, then will you consider what you're doing tunneling?

The beat way to make town resort to an omgus is by doing the same thing. So there's that

Is this the way you talk to your scumreads?

Luna beat me to this question....

[Lucky2u]

More lane votes please

I'm sorry I only have 1 to give

[Lucky2u]

Also forgot to comment this earlier but:

Luna, town for being bad at theory.

Why me being bad at theory makes me town?

You aren't an alt right?

No, why?

I translated your bad theory as town noob more than scum. If you're not a noob, I retract my read.

[Lucky2u]

I don't understand, i thought you said OGML is scum?
I find it weird that you said that they were the scum pushing your wagon and then you are talking to them as if they are wrong town.
Make up your mind, because i feel it's contradictory.

Exactly this...

[Lucky2u]

I don't understand, i thought you said OGML is scum?
I find it weird that you said that they were the scum pushing your wagon and then you are talking to them as if they are wrong town.
Make up your mind, because i feel it's contradictory.

For someone who hates misrepresentation this is weird.

I just said I'm talking them to learn his mindset and to see if he's willing to admit fault. You're the one who thinks I'm talking to him as town. I'm not talking to him as town at all. I can't help if I don't talk to my scum reads the way you talk to your scum reads. My mind is made up. You're the one trying to make it seem like it's not

If your mind is made up and he is scum, why you trying to convince him? Convince us to lynch him. If you do convince him to unvote you, what then? He lives? You switch to town read?

[Lucky2u]

Or driven by all the best town players, like an A team of town players.

[Lucky2u]

I'm gonna wait for flip before making decissions.
If anyone's sticking to me out of all this is kyndy.

Why?

[Lucky2u]

Careful fire... you'll get the ol' "fire only knew he was town cause for us scum" bit

Yes. Yes he will.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: Lucky2u
VOTE: OhGodMyLife
VOTE: Vedith

My three scum reads right now.

Why Vedith again?

[Lucky2u]

The votes on Kyndy now feel like its opportunistic scum.

I agree here...

[Lucky2u]

Kyndy still has town cookies from me... Davsto gets leaning scum soup and I'm pretty sure Vedith drinks from the chalice of pure scum.
VOTE: vedith

[Lucky2u]

Wow Dav....

[Lucky2u]

UNVOTE: Lucky2u
Reasons.

Lucky2u is probably just being...him.

[Lucky2u]

That's the reason I multipost instead of wall post.

[Lucky2u]

Go to bed Davsto. Vedith will still be scum tomorrow.

[Lucky2u]

Prod received

[Lucky2u]

Woohoo weekend! Time to catch back up!

[Lucky2u]

Woohoo! I finally finished reading back up! I'm still OK lynching the Vedith slot and now I am OK with OhGodMyLife slot too

[Lucky2u]

Sala... Fire is town and so am I, your read on day suffers credibility when you can't read obv town fire and at worst null lucky.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: OhGodMyLife

I'm just going to stick this here, don't mind me.

[Lucky2u]

But Vedith and OGML are my top scum reads. Why would I do that? Are you encouraging town vs town?

[Lucky2u]

so what do I do here? claim? I'm super innocent child cop bulletproof doctor. Serial killer aligned.

Seriously though, two of you on my wagon haven't even given a reason for your votes on me. Lynch them when I'm gone, please k thanks!

[Lucky2u]

I don't apologize for my lane scum read. He was scum wether he flipped town or not. As for that post, what's not clear? lane expressed strongly that ogml was scum to him and he was talking to as if he was scum (hence the "my mind is made up" comment). It didn't make sense then that he was talking to him like he was trying to convince ogml to change his mind on his vote against him. As I said, where is the end goal there? If he convinced ogml to unvote him, does that mean lane would have unvoted ogml? if you assume a player is scum you convince the other players to vote them, you don't convince that scum player to unvote you it's pointless.... if you are town that is. A scum player trying to convince people to unvote them? that I can see all day. Monday night quarterback it all you want, lane was scum.

[Lucky2u]

Then you don't understand the intent at all. I was voting him and showing others why he should be voted. His logic didn't follow and I pointed it out. I wanted him lynched and got my wish.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: Salamence20
VOTE: Davsto
VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Lucky2u]

Scum is somewhere on my wagon, might as well shotgun blast my final vote

[Lucky2u]

Woooooo! Thanks Firebringer, you are my Thor

[Lucky2u]

In case you didn't understand what I meant...

[Lucky2u]

What's your ideal LyLo 3 then?

[Lucky2u]

i hath been prodded! sorry NS, you won't have to do that again I hope.

@Firebringer/Thor: I could agree with that. N_M focus on me seems more town than scum. If he was scum, I'd have expected him to have backed off that train of thought by now. What with it being popular opinion that I am town.

As much as I like the security of the town bloc between myself vedith and fire, it's not unheard of that scum plans wild moves to sneak into a town bloc. If fire is scum and hammered his partner for example, something I fully think fire capable of as scum, he pretty much already won because I'm not voting that guy. Before I get into that deep of paranoia there.... let's see how pab/NM plays out.

[Lucky2u]

Dude you don't know how stressful it is to doubt yourself this much.

[Lucky2u]

Why are you referring to yourself in the third?

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: NM

I'm not happy with voting Pab today. If he flips town that makes it so much harder going into tomorrow.

Why? Is there a scenario tomorrow that is easy? We lynch nm, they kill fire you or me and end up in LyLo. Same thing happens if we lynch Pab. If it's you and me tomorrow in LyLo do you plan on lynching me? Are you laying the doubt now?

[Lucky2u]

Just realized nm is l-1. I would like to hear more from him please. If not I will assume he gave up as scum.

[Lucky2u]

If this is right beers on me.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Lucky2u]

If this is right beers on me.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

What kind of beer you buying for us?

Dittoed. I prefer lagers

Your choice between the beers of my heritage. Corona or Samuel Adams.

[Lucky2u]

Come on NS! The suspense is killing me

[Lucky2u]

So... How's everyone's weekend?

[Lucky2u]

well let's walk through the obvious. pablito, why shouldn't me and vedith continue our town block and lynch you?

[Lucky2u]

I'll do that tonight and get back to you... After reading your post though I'm curious (and you don't have to answer this now) as to who your suspecting if you're town. You seem neutral right now which pings to me.

[Lucky2u]

ok so after looking at the wagons like you asked. I blame Davsto for my almost wagon. Vedith and yourself led the wagon for Davsto. So... what the hell does that get me? Davsto was scum and you just showed me that both of you jumped on the wagon early meaning that the one of you that is scum VERY unnecessarily bussed your partner instead of just hammering me because I was literally at L-1 for several posts while Davsto was at L-4.

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.21

L-1 Lucky2u - 4 - Salamence20, Davsto, Not_Mafia, OhGodMyLife

OhGodMyLife - 3 - Firebringer, Lucky2u, pablito

Firebringer - 2 - OhGodMyLife, Davsto
Not_Mafia - 2 - Davsto, Vedith
pablito - 2 - Firebringer, OhGodMyLife
Vedith - 2 - Lucky2u, Davsto

Davsto - 1 - Salamence20


Not Voting: ...

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-09-26 22:32:35)

So the scum one of you let it go from that to this?

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.22

L-1 Lucky2u - 4 - Salamence20, Davsto, Not_Mafia, OhGodMyLife

Davsto - 3 - Salamence20, Vedith, pablito
pablito - 3 - Firebringer, OhGodMyLife, Vedith

Firebringer - 2 - OhGodMyLife, Davsto
Not_Mafia - 2 - Davsto, Vedith
OhGodMyLife - 2 - Firebringer, Lucky2u
Vedith - 2 - Lucky2u, Davsto

Not Voting: ...

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-09-26 22:32:35)

Votecount 1.23

Davsto - 5 - Salamence20, Vedith, pablito, Lucky2u, Firebringer

L-1 Lucky2u - 4 - Salamence20, Davsto, Not_Mafia, OhGodMyLife

Not_Mafia - 3 - Davsto, Vedith, Lucky2u
pablito - 3 - Firebringer, OhGodMyLife, Vedith

Firebringer - 2 - OhGodMyLife, Davsto
OhGodMyLife - 2 - Firebringer, Lucky2u
Vedith - 2 - Lucky2u, Davsto

Salamence20 - 1 - Lucky2u

Not Voting: ...

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2015-09-26 22:32:35)

Congratulations... I am even more confused now than before.

[Lucky2u]

it worries me when you talk in the third person...

[Lucky2u]

Well honestly my vote for Davsto while I was semi rage Voting everyone on my wagon except OGML because at the time I was strong town reading him. Firebringer Yolo hammered right after me. I didn't exactly pay attention enough to know Davsto was put at l-1 by my vote, hence no L-1 warning from me. If I had to base my vote today on that day phase, I'd vote Vedith. He maybe thought Davsto Voting was safe at the time because my wagon seemed like a sure thing. Pablito is still semi guilty of this too since 3rd vote isn't much better than 2nd but Pablito makes a better sounding case for his vote.

[Lucky2u]

In fairness I think you are talking about megapopcorn mafia and that can not be used as a basis for my scum game. I even admit in the mafia PT that I got caught up in the troll persona and it would have looked suspect for me to come out of it. I'm usually pretty manipulative in my scum game. However I feel that I probably shouldn't waste time convincing you I'm not town.

Vedith, would you hate me forever if I said I'm thinking about voting you?

[Lucky2u]

Here is my thought process for that right now. We went into this night phase with 3 members of a town bloc and Pablito. If it's pablito he has to kill a member of that 3 and leave the other 2 alive to convince to switch. So let's look at those 3. Vedith, Firebringer and Lucky. Vedith and Firebringer have been very open and confident in the town block and are least likely to flip thought processes and convince. Lucky has expressed doubt in the town block and would be the most enticing to leave alive as the person to sell the mislynch too. So that leaves pablito lucky and either fire or Vedith alive. With the choice for pablito to kill Vedith or Firebringer he kills Firebringer... Why? If he is going to sell me on a mislynch, I already said I was doubting Firebringer most of all. Shouldn't he have killed Vedith? Why isn't he voting Vedith and trying to sell me by now? His behavior doesn't seem like the desperate scum he should be by now.

ON THE OTHER HAND, if the scum was Vedith last night he has to look at either killing me or Firebringer and convincing the survivor to continue with the town block and hammer pablito. Firebringer is the clear person you want alive for this since he was %100 behind the town block so I should be dead if it was Vedith. Except that Firebringer has proven time and again he is unpredictable so maybe Vedith thinks I was the easier pushover. As with my pablito theory the issue is that he isn't selling to me to lynch pablito, so what the fuck is going on?

In conclusion neither of you are acting like scum should and we are all secretly town and the mod is trolling us.

[Lucky2u]

Almost forgot about this, let me find my past two scum games and respond. (I don't organize my game history so it might take a second.)

[Lucky2u]

heh sorry NS

[Lucky2u]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=61738

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=61639

pretty sure these are my last two mafia games. I was on a break for awhile too so I didn't have too much from recently...

[Lucky2u]

@Lucky -
In post 584, Lucky2u wrote:
i hath been prodded! sorry NS, you won't have to do that again I hope.

@Firebringer/Thor: I could agree with that. N_M focus on me seems more town than scum. If he was scum, I'd have expected him to have backed off that train of thought by now. What with it being popular opinion that I am town.

As much as I like the security of the town bloc between myself vedith and fire, it's not unheard of that scum plans wild moves to sneak into a town bloc. If fire is scum and hammered his partner for example, something I fully think fire capable of as scum, he pretty much already won because I'm not voting that guy. Before I get into that deep of paranoia there.... let's see how pab/NM plays out.


Please share more about your doubts on the town bloc at that time.

I am a fairly paranoid player by default but a town block that included a... wild card (to put it nicely, love you firebringer!)... worried me. I see now that I shouldn't have been worrying about him. I am still worried that vedith scum snuck into the town block but well...

I've come to the decision that I would rather lose to vedith scum sneaking into the town block than pablito scum for making me betray vedith. Since I can't fathom a reason to vote either of the other, that's going to have to be why I:

VOTE: pablito

Vedith, I put the game in your hands.

[Lucky2u]

Damn it! Curse you Vedith! I will never trust a town block again...

Sorry pablito, I didn't see myself turning on Vedith no matter what you said. Short of a scum slip or smoking gun, that's what was going to happen anyway.