Mini 419: Farkle Mafia (Game Over)

[JordanA24]

Hi guys, rereading now.

[JordanA24]

Done my reread.

CES is as scummy as hell, I'd be very happy with his lynch today. I 100% believe him to be scum.

Unvote whoever my predecessor was voting Vote: CES

As to his scumpartner, I can easily see a CES/Thesp scumteam, just the right combination of distancing and defending during Day 1, and I really didn't like his defence of him either. Seems a lot like trying to distract the thread away from CES, and the miller thing seemed like he was setting up a safe-claim for CES. Though I could also see Bertrand as his scum partner as well.

That said, Dagger has also really set my scumdar into overdrive as well, a lot of what he's done in this game has been really scummy. But he is voting for CES now isn't he? This might be scum-distancing, but I'm inclined to believe it isn't for now.

Nocmen/SSF is the SK as far as I'm concerned. I didn't believe Nocmen's excuse for one moment.

My gut says Kilmenator is protown. I'm very much against lynching her.

[JordanA24]

Two questions:

1) What is your case against Kilmenator?

2) If Kilmenator is scum, what makes you think that I'm her scumbuddy?

[JordanA24]

Thesp, that certainly wasn't OMGUS. I wasn't even aware you were voting for me. I don't regret the fact CES isn't lynched yet either, more time means more discussion for the town to analyse.

I can't see how the miller thing could be a trap question, no cop has come out and said they'd investigated CES or anything like that, and if he's scum, cops would get a guilty on him anyway. You were just hoping that CES survived the day and could use the miller excuse as a get out of jail free card for any investigation.

Explain how it was intimidation, I was only reporting what I'd read.

[JordanA24]

btw, who's turn is it for farkle?

[JordanA24]

I can't see how the miller thing could be a trap question, no cop has come out and said they'd investigated CES or anything like that, and if he's scum, cops would get a guilty on him anyway. You were just hoping that CES survived the day and could use the miller excuse as a get out of jail free card for any investigation.

I'm not sure I understand where you're going here. There was some discussion as to whether or not he expected a guilty investigation on him. (I'm still not certain he had that expectation, though another player (was it kilmenator?) thought he did.) I asked if he was a miller, which he denied. I later asserted that if he claimed miller, I would have voted for him, agreeing with SSF (after the fact) that a roleblocker-miller was unlikely.

How is asking CES if he's miller help him survive the day? How likely would he survive the day if he asserts he's a roleblocker-miller, despite not having a claimed investigation on himself? How would that be a get-out-of-jail-free card for CES by asserting miller-ness now, since CES would no longer be investigated if he claims miller (for if he claims miller, he's either scum that shows guilty or town that shows guilty), and can't possibly be let off the hook if he claims not-miller and shows up as scum? I'm really, really confused as to what you're saying here.

The problem is, he replied "Well, if I am, I don't know about it". If a cop investigates him, he can now say, "Well, turns out Thesp was right, I must be a miller." A miller-roleblocker isn't a conventional role, indeed, it would be rather unfair, but it's possible. The town might not want to lynch him because they might be scared of lynching a power role that was unfortunate enough to be a miller as well.

Explain how it was intimidation, I was only reporting what I'd read.

It sounds like, "RAWR, I think CES is scum, and Thesp is defending CES, so Thesp is scum too, what does anyone else think about CES?"

Does that help show how it might be intimidation of some sort?[/quote]

Not quite, it'd be more like "I'm 99% certain that CES is scum, and Thesp is his most likely partner, since his behaviour fits someone who'd be his scumpartner."

[JordanA24]

Scum rarely openly defend their partners. Ever.

They usually rely on subtle deflections and counterwagons and the like.

This is WIFOM, and besides, you didn't defend him all the time, infact, during Day 1, you posted some pretty anti-CES comments as well, you never voted him (I don't think you did anyway, and if you did, you weren't at the end of the day, you weren't voting for anyone.

[JordanA24]

By my count, that was a lynch.

[JordanA24]

By my count, that was a lynch.

Sorry, my mistake, he's at -1.

Unofficial Vote Count

CES

(4): JordanA24, Kilmenator, ThAdmiral, SSF.

Kilmenator

(1): Dagger

JordanA24

(1): Thesp

Not Voting

(3): Death_Omen, CES, Bertrand

[JordanA24]

Who's turn is it anyway?

[JordanA24]

Oh goody

Original Roll String: 6d6

6 6-Sided Dice: (3, 1, 5, 3, 3, 2) = 17

[JordanA24]

So, I pull the 3 2's for 200 and the 1 and 5 for 150, totalling 350. I'll stop there.

[JordanA24]

Lynch CEScum?

[JordanA24]

*bump*

[JordanA24]

I don't buy it either, but I don't think I should hammer this early.

d_o, who do you think is scum, and why?

[JordanA24]

I'm here,

A Mass Claim doesn't sound bad, I'll be willing to go with it.

[JordanA24]

I think we should claim popcorn style, with Bertrand going first.

Though I'm intrigued as to why you aren't revealing your investigation until we've all massclaimed. Why are you doing that?

[JordanA24]

I'm a plain Vanilla Townie.

[JordanA24]

I'm willing to believe Thesp and ThAdmiral. So that leaves Bertrand or Dagger. I'm rereading to see who's scummier.

[JordanA24]

Bertrand

As Adele:

I agree with Adele’s points about Random Voting on Page 3, particularly this point:

But there is a chance of a wagon starting and wagons are the seed of... almost all scum-huntingnesses.

And this post looks protown to me as well:

How's about an agreeance among ourselves that dice-tag posts will also contain some game-related content? Otherwise it's too easy that this could turn into a game of Farkle, which would belong in TWSOGMM.

If he wants to pass there's no reason for us to stop him. That is unless you're scum with him.

There's no reason not to remind him either. That is unless you are scum and you know he is town.

If his score is low you're more likely to win. You know that you are (whatever alignment you are) and will help you out. The only reason to want others to do well is if you think that they are of similar alignment for some reason or another.

Any given person's more likely to be town than scum.

Unless of course, you happen to be scum and know the other scum.

Sorry, been busy over Easter.

Would be up for Coronlynch (standing policy and all that)

God, when did you get so po-faced?

To answer your question, see EmpTyger's title.

I'm ok with lynching you

this game

because you're scummy. And you know it.

Was she still joking when she said about lynching Coron this game? If not, this is poor, onsidering she doesn’t back it up with anything, and she doesn’t vote Coron either, despite saying this.

...Seol's here? Hmm. He usually gets me murderfried. Jerk-ass.

Distancing? This was part of her first post since Seol arrived.

As Bertrand:

Read.

We don't have a really good case on anyone. Though CES is probably our beat lead, I'n not nearly ready for a lynch. We need to find more things to discuss..

CES's behavior seemed more like silly/strange than scummy. The fact that he's using a gimmick to make himself harder to read doesn't look good to me either. I just don't think it's a strong enough case for a lynch, yet.

I'd like to hear more from a34maniac and Seol.

His opening post was worrying vague and indecisive IMO. The only player he said he was definatly suspicious of was the guy who happened to be the bandwagon of the moment (who also happened to be a claimed town power role). And even there he said that he found his play silly rather than scummy. He said the case isn’t strong enough for a lynch, yet. I get the feeling he might be trying to drive the bandwagon on a town power role from the back seat. Another part of his post that really gets me is "We need to find more things to discuss", why not do this yourself. I get the feeling this backs up my theory he’s trying to drive from the back seat.

Who do you think is scum, even if it's only a gut feeling or whatever.

CES is my best guess but it's not a very good one. After that I'd put the two lurkers.

And maybe Dagger, but there's really not much reason behind that. I don't like how he started the Nocmen wagon on day 1 out of nothing.

Still seems to be pushing the CES wagon from the back seat. But to be fair to him, he does mention other targets, including Dagger, who if Bertrand isn’t scum, is by far our best bet.

If it doesn't offend thesp too much I would like to suggest lynching ces and vigging kilmenator. That should make everyone happy (with the exception of those two).
Or to go one step further lynching ces and if he turns up mafia

not vigging

kilmenator as I doubt they are both scum.

I don't like this post one bit..

I quite like this post, despite the lack of explaination. I never like it when people try directing power roles. Because if everyone did that, then there would be quite a lot of scum influence on who power roles target, while if nobody did this, then there is one protown player deciding it. And they got the role, so it should be up to them how they use it.

Alright.

Lynch ces and then vig me if he's not scum.

Thought I might as well mention this now I’ve seen it.

If you are the doctor, this is a horrible horrible post. What was this about Admiral?

Are you that convinced he's scum?

Because if we do this and you're wrong, we're screwed. I don't like this plan either.

Why do you seem to assume that ThAdmiral isn’t scum just here?

Both Thesp and kilmenator have used the "does not make sense" to avoid responding to arguments.. I don't likw that...

Thesp is making sense but all of that seems like a stretch and is based on guesses resting upon assumptions.. I don't buy it.

I still think CES is the best candidate for now.. I'm still hoping we find better though. [which means, either a better case on ces or on someone else]

Eh? Saying something doesn’t make sense is a valid argument. Also, presuming Thesp is town, you seem to be fencesitting between two arguing townies.

Though I think he’s got a fair point about Thesp basing his suspicions on assumptions and saying “Scum ususally do this”.

Third point, he seems to have moved more towards the front seat in terms of driving the CES bandwagon, and he seems like he’s genuinly scumhunting and hoping for a better wagon than CES as well as CES looking scummier.

I would be perfectly happy with a push in Kilm's direction.

y

[why?]

Pushing people to explain their suspicions=protown IMO.

I get a protown feel from his next few posts as well.

After that, he went silent for a while, and then had no access for a week. And then went missing for the rest of Day 2, even missing his turn, before FINALLY coming back near the end of Day 3, saying the Death_Omen wagon looked good, but not voting him, in fact, he even suggested an alternative target, ThAdmiral

I also think ThAdmiral was a good candidate - he was setting up chain lynches, directing the vig, and all on townies..

All of which is scummy.

Note: I'm not sure I believe Dagger, but I'm in a bad position to point that out... whoops? I just did? Oh well..

y?

Summary:

Mokina looked kinda scummy, particularly the what seemed like distancing from Seol. Bertrand looked town at first, but has recently looked really scummy, especially suggested ThAdmiral when Death_Omen was on the brink of being lynched.

Scum Rating

: 7/10

I'll do an analysis on Dagger later.

[JordanA24]

EBWOP: That "All of which is scummy" near the end of the post is supposed to go above the quote (which is Bertrand's, not ThAdmiral's)

And in the summary, "especially suggested ThAdmiral..." is supposed to be "especially suggest

ing

ThAdmiral...".

[JordanA24]

Dagger

[/size]

Overrated or not, random votes get things going and set the first of patterns.

/agreed

So, do we keep rolling and keep gaining abilities instead of hunting scums?

The above post is extremely scummy, if we were’t playing Mafia, this game would be in the Mish Mash forum, so trying to distract the town from catching the scum is a very scummy thing to do.

When I made that post, it felt to me as if people didn't bother to post until it was their turn to roll, so it was meant as a jab to the town. If I didn't want to hunt scum, I would have just kept quiet about it.

Could be a genuine explaination, but this may well be a backtrack once he’s realised what a scummy post he just made. I’d appreciate if you really were trying to tell the town something, you either come out with it straight, or at least not word it so scummily.

Also, I think it'll be better if everyone simultaneously roll for each round, with a round ending after everyone has rolled. That way, the game will move faster.

Again trying to interfere with the flow of the game, though I think this time he might have townie intentions, if everyone did roll at the same time, it would move the game faster. Once everyone has rolled and someone has reached the set limit (probably by seeing who got there in the least number of turns, with a tiebreaker to break any ties), then we could get on with playing Mafia normally.

Also, confirming my vote on Nocmen to get things started.

Confirm Vote: Nocmen

That effectively ends my random vote.

Here's a case on him, albeit a rather weak one:
1. He has yet to post again since page 2, therefore he is actively lurking.
2. He speculated on the deaths on Night 0, indicating he has inside information on it and was trying to dig out more info.
3. His random vote served no purpose since it was based on the roll of a die.

All these rub me the wrong way and as far as my guts is telling me as of now, he is scum.

This really rubs me the wrong way, he’s confirm voting someone on an admittedly weak case, using the classic excuse “To get things started”.

And his case against Nocmen is extremely weak as well, he says it’s weak, but it’s really absolutely pathetic.

1. Actively lurking means he’s posting, but not putting much content into his posts, and posting just enough to not get prodded, so how’s he actively lurking if he isn’t posting? So Point 1 just boils down to “Because he’s lurking”, which is simply not a scumtell.

2. I find this to be an extremely flawed scumtell, I think town and scum are equally likely to do this, I know I often do even when I’m town.

3. … And? Dice might not be as good as a proper random vote, but it’s still not bad, and certainly not a scum tell.

So guessing on what really happened over night is a scumtell? I dont see anything wrong with guessing, trying to see if we are dealing with two killing groups, a bomb, vig, etc.

As for lurking, there hasnt been anything to comment on.

In that case, you are the best lead I have at the moment. Opinion, guys?

See the above post, the case was very weak, and now you’re saying it’s your best lead, even you admit it’s a weak case, if you know the case is poor, you shouldn’t ask people to maybe bandwaon him. And also, the way you said “Opinions, guys?” gives me the feeling you are seeking town approval, and if you don’t, you’ll back down.

They want to lynch me because I'm doing well in terms of points as far as I can tell. Also, it seems Nocmen has 4 votes, any reason why?

I think based on your previous reasoning on not helping the others roll, you have a much higher chance of being a scum than ourselves, who knew with a certainty we are town?

Anyone else have a better case than Nocmen?

This is bollocks. How on Earth does Coron not wanting to help others roll make him have “a much higher chance of being scum”??? And if this is what you feel, why aren’t you voting for him, and asking if anyone else has a better case than Nocmen, a case you admitted was poor?!

And I cannot see an example of Coron saying someone else is certainly town.

I agree with coron. As for a better case than nocmen, maybe not, but without a deadline there's no reason to just accept a half-baked and weak one.

True. We'll just keep the discussion going on in the meantime.

See what I said, he doesn’t get town backing, and he backtracks, now that IS a scumtell.

Let's speed up this game a bit. It's bad enough that most people post only when they have to roll.

Why don’t you speed the game up?

Okay, I am going to

Unvote, Vote: Mojo

. I can't remember who I last placed my vote on.

I lost touch with the game for a while and right now I am voting who I think is likely to be a scum.

If Mojo was likely scum, why don’t you want to post a case against him? You were also voting with Bird, who is confirmed scum.

Still up for a Coron lynch.

Why? If I find your reason good enough, I might vote him.

Blatent bandwagonning here, and if the town was to lynch Coron and he turned up town (and he would have), he could have blamed CES for it, he started the bandwagon after all.

Slow.

And I barn Nocmen.

Vote: Cogito Ergo Scum

Another vote on a townie for no reasoning.

Good point. Let's speed things up a bit then.

Unvote, Vote: Nocmen

I am interested in a claim.

Bandwagonning ftw! Though to be fair to him, he does seem to be buddying with Seol, who was scum, I’d prefer to dissociate myself from any scumbuddies.

Unvote

I am inclined to trust that claim.

Now we go for CES, yes?

Again, making sure the town agrees with him first.

I would suggest we just go for the other option, i.e. CES, but it seems unlikely right now.

And again, if you wanted to go for CES, why not vote him?

One less kill per night will prolong the number of days, which means more time for the town to do analysis, which can only be good for the town.

Unless he hits scum, in which case, the town’s job would be much easier.

Unvote

I have decided that I am against CES' lynch today.

As soon as the bandwagon on him dies down and you’ve made him claim a town power-role.

@Dagger: well for one thing there was the lack of a vote when the deadline came. a) That's not very helpful for the town and b) unlike others who had simply disappeared you were active very close to the end.

a)I don't vote when I am uncertain (barring early game random vote), unlike scums who I think will vote so that a mislynch will occur.

O RLY?

Also, confirming my vote on Nocmen to get things started.

Confirm Vote: Nocmen

That effectively ends my random vote.

Here's a case on him,

albeit a rather weak one:

And on Day 1, you were vote hopping like mad.

I would be perfectly happy with a push in Kilm's direction.

Why?

I would be perfectly happy with a push in Kilm's direction.

y

[why?]

Because I think she is scum and I have a vote on her.

Same question as above.

I would be perfectly happy with a push in Kilm's direction.

y

[why?]

Because I think she is scum and I have a vote on her.

y

Because I think she is scum and I have a vote on her.

I want to know Dagger's reasoning for the vote.. I don't see why he's avoiding revealing it..

Oh, then why don't you say so directly instead of asking so vaguely?
Here:

@ Dagger: how about "discussing" why you're against lynching ces today, and why you're now voting kilmenator?

I have read kilmenator's posts on Day 2 again and I don't like them at all. It reeks too much of "nudge, nudge, lynch CES, don't mind me, nudge, nudge".

“Y?” is hardly vague, it is perfectly simple, it means “Why are you voting this person?” What’s with the not wnating to explain your votes?

I so swear that I am going to stab myself if we are going for another no lynch.

Then why are you voting Kilm, who no-one else is voting for? I’m pretty sure it’s because you know CES is town, and if the town lynches him (which was looking very likely at this stage), people having a quick glace will see you weren’t on the wagon.

We'll assume the deadline is on Friday 10th then, since it's the Mod's fault for being unclear. :p

How about those still not voting make their votes known for the black and white record?

You’ve expressed you didn’t want another no-lynch, so the fact you’re still not voting CES despite me posting a vote count makes me really sure you are not for the reasons I’m posting above.

@Jordan: I will be awaiting one from you then.

I think I can say you got one. : P

Summary

: Scum

Scumdar

: 9.5, the only way you can get a 10 is admitting in-thread being scum.

Vote: Dagger

[JordanA24]

Hammah Time!!!!

[JordanA24]

Going to do an analysis of Thesp.

[JordanA24]

Thesp

Last to confirm, slight town tell?

So, do we keep rolling and keep gaining abilities instead of hunting scums?

It's going to sound weird, but I don't like this question. To me, it almost seems like he doesn't want to hunt scum.
I know this question might have been a joke or just a mindless question, but it still looks a bit scummy to me.
Unvote: Thesp. Vote: Dagger

Funny, I thought the

opposite

. I can conceive of something else, though...

dagger, how much have you played mafia?

Eh? Where did you get this from Thesp? It seemed quite obvious that he was saying he didn't want to hunt scum, just roll the dice instead.

You used all 6 dice, so you get to keep going.

On this issue, I feel this does not imply Thespscum, reminding someone that it's still their turn when they seem to have forgotten is sportsmanlike, not scummy. The fact Bird turned out to be scum just looks like coincidence to me.

Also, I'd be good with either a Coron or a Mojo lynch. Not fond of the Nocmen wagon.

Why? And why are you saying you'd be happy with lynches this early?

Unvote: Nocmen, Vote: Coron.

Time to get moving.

Hang on, you said in your post, you weren't fond of the Nocmen wagon, yet you didn't take your vote off him. Explain please.

Because I think you're full of it, and giving suspect reasons for your early attacks.

Second reason is OK, but the first is an example of lynching the player not the role, never a good thing for the town to do.

They want to lynch me because I'm doing well in terms of points as far as I can tell.

He wants to lynch me because I'm winning the Farkle game. Not a particularly strong reason.

The former quote is misleading, and the latter is oversimplified.

/agrees, after reading back properly on the issue, CES also said gut was a reason for voting Coron.

Seol! Yes! Maybe now I'll get to where I care about this game.

I find this to be quite townie, since Seol turned out to be scum, I wouldn't have expected a reaction like this towards a scumbuddy replacing in, I'd have expected distancing. Then again, this is WIFOMy.

Vote count, please. I need to see who I'm going to vote for.

Why do you need a vote count? Surely you should just vote for who you find scummiest. Asking for a vote count makes it look like you want to bandwagon. I find this statement very scummy.

I also find it intriguing that Seolscum posted an unofficial vote count and said this in the same post:

So, for example, a vote for Thesp is probably a vote for no-lynch at this point (not that I want to vote for Thesp)

Why did he say Thesp in particular, why not anyone else who was on 0 votes? This really bothers me.

Well...damn, im at Ly-1.

Believe me if you want to or not. Im a Vig, I killed Dean last night.

Who's up for a SK lynch?

Bit quick to jump to conclusions, aren't we?

Secondly, we don't have a deadline any more but we really ought to, y'know,

play mafia

. I'm happy with my vote on Nocmen for now but this feels like a game 80% composed of lurkers who are only here for the Farkle...

QFT. As one of those who is apparently unintentionally lurking, I'm having a hard time really figuring out where to go right now. I find myself not caring a whole lot, which bothers me.

Unvote: Coron, Vote: Nocmen

. I'd still rather see Coron swing, but I'll bandwagon someone where we can get some action.

I wasn't paying attention when I read my role. After the crash, I went and reread everything I had to not get my roles in each game confused after a week hiatus or so. That's all I can really say to my past thought, poor reading comprehension made me take the chance that did pay out.

That does actually make sense, and if it's a lie, it's a

very

clever one. Furthermore, it only makes sense if you are a vig, not an SK.

unvote.

As uncomfortable as I am with claimed vigs who fire N1 being left alive, I do find your argument here very compelling.

Unvote: Nocmen

. I'd still like for Coron to swing.

Hmm, twice in a row, he follows Seolscum here. While I would normally find this to be quite town evidence, this combined with the way you greeted Seol at first would all fit if you are trying to WIFOM somebody into thinking you and Seol are unlikely to be partners.

So now we have to decide who he is to kill tonight, or if indeed that is necessary.

Why?

FOS: ThAdmiral

.

Two reasons:

1. the town can have two lynches

2. if he is a serial killer then he would be working for town anyway.

I would be happy if he didn't hit anyone tonight. We don't have any strong leads on anyone and should really only be looking to go for a kill if there's a cop investigation or something really suspicious in the next few days.

I disagree, I think he should kill as he sees fit, and I don't want him revealing who he will kill.

That is dangerous because there is still the remote possibility he's not a vig as was claimed.

How else will we find out if he's the Serial Killer or not? Also, why help out the mafia? I bet they'd love to know who he's going to kill. Also, won't the alignment of the lynched play some role in the decision?

/agreed

End Day 1 Voting Record

Not Voting (5): Adele, Dagger, Seol,

Thesp

, Cogito Ergo Scum

Cogito Ergo Sum (3): Kilmenator, Nocmen, ThAdmiral

While, normally, I would take not voting to be quite anti-town, in this instance, since the the leading bandwagon was on a townie, I would imagine a scum would try to get CES lynched, rather than not use their vote at all.

Because:
1) You're sometimes quite stretching in finding links between people.
2) It unhelpful talking about links that make the death of a townie incriminate someone else. It's what the mafia did last night, and it's what you're trying to do to.

1) I disagree that I'm stretching. Sometimes links are tenuous, but scum rarely connect themselves to each other in obvious ways. I use what I can take.
2) I respectfully disagree. Also, how do you know what the mafia were trying to do with their nightkill last night? I'm also intrigued as to where I made these "links that make the death of a townie incriminate someone else" you referred to - can you point them out? You seem to assert I was using them pretty strongly.

This I agree with.

Let me put it this way - I can live with suggestions to the vig (though I think them unwise), though I think it should be clear that the vig do whatever they want.

3 days later...

I'm going to start voting anyone who tries to guide the vig in whatever capacity. It's got to stop. The vig should do whatever the frick they feel like.

Quite a change of tune, why?

Thanks. I suspect that Seol may need to be replaced.

I think the at the end of the post is a slight town tell, considering that it makes your closeness to Seol seem more genuine, and is consistent with your reaction to when Seol replaced in.

No matter who the cop is, they should take into account the possibility of sanity issues. CES's reasoning makes a lot of sense, admittedly. Pointing it out would be very protown if he wasn't expecting a roleclaim.

Except he is. He wants the entire thread to know the cop's identity, and that's a rather scummy motive.

FoS: CES

Thanks for outing yourself as kilmenator's partner.

Why the frick would CES want the

whole thread

to know the cop's identity?

Wouldn't that key in the doctor to who the cop is? That, it seems to me, would be

bad

for scum. Now, I am in no way suggesting the cop should out themselves or drop hints or anything at this point (for all we know, the scum have a roleblocker, see prior argument re: directing the vig). Yet it seems the manner in which CES did it is decidedly

not

more likely to come from scum than town - note that he asked only one person, and even gave them an out and said they didn't have to answer. (Besides, scum hunt for cops at night with their buddies, not during the day, as they

don't

want the town to know who the cop is.) This attack is weak, opportunistic, and merely posing as scum-hunting. (I also thought the sanity-issues line was a pre-emptive attack on a power role, which is also scummy.)

Unvote: kilmenator, Vote: Mokina.

I'd vote kilmenator to avoid a no-lynch, but I'm more certain of Mokina.

I am 1000% against a CES lynch today.

In this post, you seem way too sure that CES is town, and you're basing all your suspicions (and the fact that you wouldn't mind if the cop claimed) on your certainty that he is. The evidence you posted for CES is pretty weak in proportion to how sure you seem to be that he's town, and how certain you are that Kilm and in particular Mokina are scum.

I am quite uneasy about CES. On one hand, we have the Roleblocker claim. Whilst I have little-no trouble believing the role itself, I can't help but feel a tad suspicious of the alignment, since I assume that this game is highly role based (especially due to the added Farkle-ness). That being said, it is still possible for a townie roleblocker. I am, however,

very

sceptical about the existence of a Miller Roleblocker...

Who said miller-roleblocker?

FOS: somestrangeflea

.

I think he was getting at the fact that you asked him if he was a miller rather than that CES denied being one. The FOS seems odd and out of place to me.

Explain how it was intimidation, I was only reporting what I'd read.

It sounds like, "RAWR, I think CES is scum, and Thesp is defending CES, so Thesp is scum too, what does anyone else think about CES?"

And who's the one that's been making links between players all game? This seems horribly hypocritical to me.

Should I even bother farkling?

No. In fact, I specifically think we should

not

Farkle right now - no sense getting roleblocking abilities for scum right now (or on a future night).

I don't like this post either, once Death_Omenscum was lynched, there was only a 1 in 6 chance that scum would win the farkling, giving a 5 in 6 the town would get an ability. Mind you, saying this doesn't really make sense if you are scum.

[JordanA24]

Questions for Bertrand

I don't get how being indecisive is a scummy trait. It's something that mgiht benefit scum, but it's completely normal for any player.

Why isn't indecisiveness a scum trait?

Are you that convinced he's scum?

Because if we do this and you're wrong, we're screwed. I don't like this plan either.

Why did you seem to assume that ThAdmiral is town here?

After that, he went silent for a while, and then had no access for a week. And then went missing for the rest of Day 2, even missing his turn, before FINALLY coming back near the end of Day 3, saying the Death_Omen wagon looked good, but not voting him, in fact, he even suggested an alternative target, ThAdmiral.

Where were you all this time? Why did you suggest ThAdmiral as an alternative target?

I also think ThAdmiral was a good candidate - he was setting up chain lynches, directing the vig, and all on townies..

[JordanA24]

You replaced in on Post 17, and yet you're opening post basically said this:

[quote="Bertrand"We don't have a really good case on anyone. Though CES is probably our beat lead, I'n not nearly ready for a lynch. We need to find more things to discuss..[/quote]

CES was the only person you mentioned, this is scummy IMO. During the game, you seem to have been pretty much in the background and hardly ever posting anything big.

[JordanA24]

Well, you said "We need to find more things to discuss", you've the one who's just replaced in and reread the game, why didn't you bring something up? Why didn't you try to take a more proactive stance towards the game in general?

[JordanA24]

OK, I've made my choice, if I'm wrong, I apologise to the town and congratulate the scum. Here goes...

Vote: Bertrand

*Crosses fingers*

[JordanA24]

Before-post-edit: Unless you're actually scum, JordanA24, in which case, you're a turd.

No need to worry about that ^5