New York 185: Freshwater Frenzy!

[RadiantCowbells]

Don't credit me at all for leading the wagon, DS.

[RadiantCowbells]

PB go do a vote just to make sure no one counted wrong.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Quintuplevote: Kitz

This should do it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Book target best target if you're really vengeful.

I can't say I'm surprised.

[RadiantCowbells]

Pls Book > Lala

[RadiantCowbells]

Bookitty.

[RadiantCowbells]

NO.

[RadiantCowbells]

There's a laundry list of good targets.

House and Bookitty are the best of these.

Please don't random.

[RadiantCowbells]

It would be worth dying to not have to listen to your obnoxious crap.

[RadiantCowbells]

Last comment before the end of the day-

the extended twilight suggests some sort of odd shenanigans.

[RadiantCowbells]

Annie!

[RadiantCowbells]

FTC

[RadiantCowbells]

!edgorP

[RadiantCowbells]

Hey hey hey.

We're doing jokes, right?

Why did the chicken cross the road.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, because it was heading to the evil mafia member's house.

Hey, knock knock.

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

For the record, I did renounce my scumread on Cheeto once he started saying towny things.

[RadiantCowbells]

Do you think that I was defending my alignment or my scumhunting ability, dragonspawn?

[RadiantCowbells]

I want you policy lynched.

VOTE: House

thanks for allowing me to earn your vote. now lynch this.

[RadiantCowbells]

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not going to touch Lala with a ten foot pole right now so you can all settle down and just vote House, thank you.

[RadiantCowbells]

This is Lala trying to buddy up with RC and try to make a wagon happen that isn't his.

Btw, it's kind of weird to say that Lala's trying to buddy me when I specifically requested her vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright.

VOTE: Bookitty

Annie!

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright.

VOTE: Bookitty

Annie!

Sorry for being absent; work has been comprehensively kicking my butt so far this week. (Not game relevant, but work Internet was down most of yesterday -- the horror!)

I checked on Boonskiies yesterday and he's not Vanilla, so I think that clears that up. As I said before, I don't think two scum would claim together like that, plus, who would they be partnered with?

@Lalala: Why do you think you're being pushed as a wagon right now?

@DeltaWave: What are you trying to figure out? Why do you think Lalala is a policy lynch? I think that title would more appropriately go to a PB lynch, but I typically consider lurker/troll lynches as separate from policy lynches for reasons that aren't very interesting and aren't specific to this game.

Wait, Boo's scum.

VOTE: Bookitty

We're learning.

[RadiantCowbells]

The "obviously" comment is the reason that I'm not even considering a change.

[RadiantCowbells]

hammer.

[RadiantCowbells]

Just curious, am I the only one scumreading FA_Q2?

[RadiantCowbells]

You know if blue team wasn't all gone that flip would reflect horribly on me.

[RadiantCowbells]

So now I decide between House and FA.

[RadiantCowbells]

*facepalm*

Lala, if lala is scum, shot Drixx.

[RadiantCowbells]

OK, so if one of those is the buddy, aka two of my key scumreads...

why don't you vote the buddy with me when I decide who to vote for?

[RadiantCowbells]

We've lynched 3 scum so far.

I started 2 of the wagons and was an early adopter of the third.

have faith

[RadiantCowbells]

I meant have faith in my scumhunting ability, not my ability to form wagons.

[RadiantCowbells]

Have you heard that I'm all about saving your world?

[RadiantCowbells]

It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again.

[RadiantCowbells]

I like how we were both considered trolls in day 1.

[RadiantCowbells]

See, I hate masons/best friends because the confidence the role gives the player causes my scumdar to trigger incessantly.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: FA_Q2

Alright, I'm doing this today.

The bells of cow have spoken.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'll look into Lala for the future since she WAS an immediate scumread of mine in D1

but it's not something I feel like doing right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

wrong game

[RadiantCowbells]

That gif.

[RadiantCowbells]

It puts more gifs in the thread or it gets the lynch again.

[RadiantCowbells]

I can see Scum!Ducks

but she's not near the top of my lynch list.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't expect to be alive for the next 2 days.

[RadiantCowbells]

Drixx may have been scum

but I completely agree with his point.

[RadiantCowbells]

ur a scumbumble

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm voting you soon if you don't post more duck gifs.

[RadiantCowbells]

But I wanted to be at the front of the FA_Q2 wagon.

You should just post duck gifs so I don't have to vote swap.

[RadiantCowbells]

RC starts wagons on scum?

must be scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why do you want to get yourself to believe that I'm scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

Meh; I can't get myself to believe RC is scum. Back to Wolf/Lala.

VOTE: Laladuck

More likely to get her lynched than Wolf at this point, and I believe they are scum together. (Delta/Lala is also one of my possibilities, and xotm has helped me disassociate Taly/Lala)

You just went from trying to push me to "I can't get myself to believe RC is scum."

[RadiantCowbells]

And how the fuck would a townflip on Lala clear FA?

[RadiantCowbells]

Same goes for scumflip.

I'm not seeing Lala's flip as that beneficial for either alignment.

Why did you just go from townreading me to scumreading me to "can't get myself to believe X is scum?"

That's absolute nonsense.

[RadiantCowbells]

And it's nothing new at all to say I don't do VCA, so I'm not supporting this "lynch from Titus wagon" idea.

Even though that would essentially clear me because I've been on every scum wagon from the get go and never lynched a townie.

[RadiantCowbells]

There's no evidence that he even is a JOAT.

Let's see what his claimed results are before we get too hasty.

You've gotten really incompetent lately.

3 scum wagons, 2 I was first, 1 I was second.

Maybe I'm not the problem?

[RadiantCowbells]

Boon, you continually expect me to respect you as a player but you have done nothing to earn it, ever.

There's a reason I kept you alive when I was scum, and you were an IC.

I spent the entire game trying to get your partner lynched and I couldn't corral the votes to do it.

I also townread most of the lynches.

How many times did you try to shoot me this game, RC?

3.

Again, I caused the Bookitty wagon, so...yeah. And Titus was dumb this game. And you haven't done crap to get red scum, because you probably are red scum. So shallow minded.

1) I was on the Bookitty wagon before you.

2) I've pushed 3 straight lynches that have all hit scum. Maybe I just haven't had time?

Let's see what his claimed results are before we get too hasty.

*facepalm*

[RadiantCowbells]

But why did you put it out in the first place?

[RadiantCowbells]

Why do you think that there's a correlation between giving serious responses and being town?

[RadiantCowbells]

Doesn't help PK and I were at each other's throats the entire game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why would you have wanted to kill town when mafia were so ahead :\

[RadiantCowbells]

You should compensate by posting more duck gifs.

It works for Adenine!

[RadiantCowbells]

So your vote count shows that RC lynched 3 scum, and in particular LED AND HEAVILY PUSHED the aforementioned wagons on 3 scum, and never lynched a single townie.

Your VCA results in the idea that RC is scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

Boon, c'mon.

[RadiantCowbells]

says the person who brought the nonsense back up.

[RadiantCowbells]

Sigh...I didn't even go through with my VCA to find scum...if I did, I'd be voting and pushing for Silver and RC just as much as Lala...

This implies that VCA would suggest a lynch on Silver and RC.

Which I'm saying is nonsense.

[RadiantCowbells]

Just agree with me on that and then I can move on.

[RadiantCowbells]

I didn't ask whether you disregarded it.

There's a reason I don't often get mislynched is town and that's because I watch my back, play more survival heavy than other town players do.

As soon as you brought that up I started thinking through how best to push a lynch on you if I ended up having to because that's just how I play.

Which is to say, I cannot just move on and go back to having a good town-town discourse with you without you acknowledging, not just the results of the VCA were wrong, but that your VCA itself was misguided.

Do you understand?

[RadiantCowbells]

I was being brutally honest.

[RadiantCowbells]

The thing about Mafia is that it's a game predicated on lying, which wholly removes the ethics of it from consideration for me.

As for myself, even as town I will gladly and often do lie in order to control the game state.

Any push I do is phrased under whichever way I think will have the highest chance of success. Snap changes in my judgements on people's alignments are always delayed so that people see it as more natural.

I'll even lynch people I think are town if I feel threatened by them, and that's not just a conscious thing; I can't help but scumreading people who do anything that seems to me like it be setting me up for a lynch.

So I find it incredibly ironic that when I'm completely, abjectly honest about my motivations for playing that way its a scumslip, and when I lie to control the game or seem towny I'm being towny.

[RadiantCowbells]

You know that I'm town.

You should consider whether the part of you that's causing you to be voting me right now is a part you want to be making your decisions for you.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're actually not, until we get a red scum flip.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think you are, but it's technically a possibility.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're still talking to me with a part of me that's not your brain.

[RadiantCowbells]

My penis very much likes to take control, and damn well I'll listen to it. Doesn't steer me wrong too often...

That's totally not what I meant.

[RadiantCowbells]

We really need a House replacement, pronto.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm in a neighbourhood with Varsoon, Wake, and House.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why on earth should rc be considered town for being right about scum when there is a completely other team of scum? The argument is disgustingly bad.

Because it shows I was heavily invested in scumhunting during the day phase in a game where it would be suboptimal for me to kill the other scumteams.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also shows that, given that my scumhunting is on point this game, lynching me as town would be a significant loss to the town, as opposed to where I was calculating the antiderivative of 2x as x^4 + c.

[RadiantCowbells]

That may be the case, but the problem there isn't with me.

[RadiantCowbells]

You should claim some of your results.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: PK

House said he was in a hood.

Also, you claimed JOAT.

Your scum hunting boils down to spamming and getting lucky by voting on wagons that aren't you.

luck.

[RadiantCowbells]

You want to lynch me because I voted you because your predecessor claimed a different neighbourhood status and a PR and you won't say anything about your results and at least one of you was lying about your neighbourhood status?

RC thinks that NRG would pass 2 same faction scum JOATs

I'm voting you so you stop being anti-town and just claim your results.

[RadiantCowbells]

There's also no evidence that he actually is a JOAT, no?

So those results could be useful for clearing him.

[RadiantCowbells]

Bet you it's not.

[RadiantCowbells]

Counteroffer-

You're an idiot.
Boon is going off ego instead of reason.
PK is going off ego instead of reason and is kind of an idiot as well.

No one else in this game scumreads me and I've led (or once been second on) every single scum wagon so far.

[RadiantCowbells]

That is my job.

Scumhunting.

Right?

[RadiantCowbells]

No one in this damn game has more content than me.

[RadiantCowbells]

The reds may well have been.

Maybe the scum that isn't FA_Q2 was.

However, FA_Q2 is scum and I'm not going to let silly VCA theories prevent me from lynching scum.

VOTE: FA_Q2

[RadiantCowbells]

PK, have you read this game?

NO ONE besides Dragonspawn scumreads me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Boons is being a world class poophead and will come around.

[RadiantCowbells]

Be that as it may, no one in this game besides a couple of tooks scumreads me.

You might also get FA but that's the extent of the votes you're getting.

If you're really concerned that I'm scum who has an affinity for lynching other scum, why would you lynch me today?

[RadiantCowbells]

And who better to catch them?

[RadiantCowbells]

Says the person with an absolute nonsense vote on me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, but have you ever considered you're not nearly smart enough to actually catch scum, and your strategies are terrible?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, me scumreading you D1 was based off of perfectly valid tells that just happened to reflect your confidence boost from self-confirmed town as opposed to scum.

You being still on me is absolute nonsense and I'm not going to "give myself up" when every indication is that I've been carrying this game so far.

Just take a deep breath and sheep me.

If RC could tell me why she suspected each scum, thatd be good.

Yeah, that's not going to work.

[RadiantCowbells]

PK, I'm not going to "work" to change your scumread on me.

You're the one who is in the wrong. fix your own damn shit.

[RadiantCowbells]

Wagoning is a verb, not a noun.

You're solely and exclusively responsible for your vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

Wagon

is a goddamn noun

my point is that he's blaming me for being a wagon instead of blaming himself for voting me.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're not bullying my vote around.

[RadiantCowbells]

FA_Q2 is obvious scum.

My vote is not changing.

[RadiantCowbells]

Lala I'm null on but have better lynches.

SilverWolf is an outright townread.

I strongly urge all players voting Silverwolf to reconsider.

[RadiantCowbells]

I didn't ask for your vote.

You're scum. We'll see if I can lynch you or not, but that's just facts.

[RadiantCowbells]

Boon, you're throwing this game for town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Lala, don't vote Wolf please.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's not an excuse to lynch obvtown and you know it.

If this lynch goes through, I will make sure yours follows, PK.

[RadiantCowbells]

inb4 red scumteam claimed JOAT and couldn't back up any of their abilities.

[RadiantCowbells]

Dragonspawn isn't smart enough to sift through your claim and figure out its veracity.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not stupid.

If this game goes to 5 way and you're both still alive you're getting lynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

You replaced into my biggest scumread's slot and you're wondering why I want you to claim your results?

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Pisskop

[RadiantCowbells]

He's scum with FA_Q2.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm a tracker.

He did not visit Kitz.

Thanks for the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not a tracker.

you're still scum though.

Note that PK's reaction was complete dogshit.

[RadiantCowbells]

Think I give a shit? I know you're maf and I know you have a shot.

Scum is House/FA_Q2.

I'm not posting besides prod dodges from here on out.

[RadiantCowbells]

Your chances of winning this game are near 0.

[RadiantCowbells]

Everyone but you realizes that it's not mine.

And if I die and no one else does and you don't instalynch PK, you have something else coming.

[RadiantCowbells]

PK's a bulletproof of some sort.

That's hwy he claimed commute when one kill didn't go through.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not about that, it's about the fact that House ended up claiming commuter.

[RadiantCowbells]

And notice the way he came in here trying to push on everything besides FA without explicitly declaring a read on him.

[RadiantCowbells]

Bad play for town-town; at least it makes sense as scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, you're assuming it's intentional when it's most likely not.

Just a function of his simultaneously trying to distance while not allowing his partner to get lynched.

[RadiantCowbells]

Whatever just lynch House slot today then you can try to argue with me about Lala later.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't, but the way House reacted the next day strongly suggests he thought it was and he knows better than I do.

[RadiantCowbells]

Linking Lala and PK is nonsense.

They may both be scum independently but that's a nonsense link.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's literally the most obvious link you can make from PK's play today.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm going to hold this game against you forever.

[RadiantCowbells]

PK being hyper formal about everything.

Also continuing to mention points against Lala without voting.

[RadiantCowbells]

*facepalm*

[RadiantCowbells]

I was facepalming at you.

[RadiantCowbells]

What value would I see in trying to cooperate with you, even if you were confirmed town and not the person who replaced into my biggest scumread and then acted scummy?

[RadiantCowbells]

This game and its mod were highly hyped.

Most likely not because they'd make predictable, boring saves.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't fucking care about setup spec.

I'm accepting that it's possible, I'm not going to vote Egg over it.

[RadiantCowbells]

You do the exact opposite 99% of the time, and do so unapologetically.

[RadiantCowbells]

RadiantCowbells: Glad you could make it, Uther...
Boonskiies: Watch your tone with me, boy. You may be the premier scumhunter, but I'm still your superior as a best friend.
RadiantCowbells: As if I could forget. Listen Boon, there's something about the this game you should know.
RadiantCowbells: [townies begin jumping on terrible wagons] Oh no, it's already begun. These people may look fine now, but it's only a matter of time before they start mislynching obvtown!
Boonskiies: What?!
RadiantCowbells: This entire town must be purged.
Boonskiies: How can you even consider that? There's *got* to be some other way.
RadiantCowbells: Damn it, Boon! As the superior scumhunter, I order you to lynch these townies!
Boonskiies: You are *not* the superior scumhunter, boy. Nor would I obey that command even if you were.
RadiantCowbells: Then I must consider this an act of treason.
Boonskiies: Treason?! Have you lost your mind, RC?
RadiantCowbells: Have I? Boonskiies, by my right of obvtownness and the sovereignty of my scumhunting, I hereby relieve you of your role, and suspend your vote from service.
Lalaladucks: RC! You can't just--
RadiantCowbells: It's done! Those of you who have the will to save this town, follow me. The rest of you... get out of my sight.
Boonskiies: [some townies leave] You've just crossed a terrible threshold, Cowbells.
[Boonskiies leaves as well.]
RadiantCowbells: [Lalaladucks begins leaving.] Lalaladucks?
Lalaladucks: I'm sorry, RC. I can't watch you do this...

[RadiantCowbells]

Really, in the first line?

JFC.

[RadiantCowbells]

thats bulge

he's not too bright

[RadiantCowbells]

PK

Are you still willing to lynch Silverwolf if the entire town agrees to lynch you if the slot flips town?

[RadiantCowbells]

Your neighbour is PK the scumbum you dolt.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: FA_Q2

Counterwagon of great, glorious justice.

[RadiantCowbells]

should leave the thinking to me

[RadiantCowbells]

No, Silverwolf is the counterwagon to FA.

[RadiantCowbells]

No fucking shit I'm trying to protect silver.

When you see this is town, we're lynching FA instantly.

[RadiantCowbells]

Just try to mislynch me then.

[RadiantCowbells]

Meow I'm a cat.

[RadiantCowbells]

You vote FA_Q2 and I'll start providing content.

[RadiantCowbells]

I loathe the way that Lala jumped onto the wagon last minute on Silverwolf.

I'd be willing to lynch that slot except that I think a scum flip on FA would semi-clear Lala's slot, because I don't see scum busing right now.

Further, I'm still highly antsy about your slot and I hate the fact that the best friends townread you.

Actually, I sorta talked myself into this.

VOTE: Lalaladucks

[RadiantCowbells]

If Lalaladucks flips town, I'm leading the lynch tomorrow.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: unvote

thats pretty town

VOTE: FA_Q2

I'm never changing my mind because of group sentiment ever again.

[RadiantCowbells]

I joined it because I thought Lala's switch over to Silver was cancer.

Then she posted more and it reinstated my previous belief that she was town.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm starting to seriously consider Boon/Dragon scum as a reasonable prospect.

[RadiantCowbells]

I've never posted it in thread before because I've been hoping scum would sort it out for me

but I'm thinking we lynch Dragonspawn tomorrow then keep Boon as a legitimately confirmed clear.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're a fucking idiot.

You and PK and Dragonspawn together have made this game unwinnable.

Lynch me tomorrow, show how good your mafia skills really are.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not voting outside of your BF claim any more till I get this sorted out.

If you're town, you two buffoons earned it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Boon's full of shit and scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh look, Lala was town.

VOTE: Dragonspawn

We need to lynch this.

Boon claims commuter so we'll have basically a night immune IC.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, I don't care.

I fully expect this town with its competence to turn around and lynch me.

But you're going to lynch Dragonspawn tomorrow.

[RadiantCowbells]

IF he's town, then you're going to lynch FA_Q2 or PK.

[RadiantCowbells]

1) no
2) fuck you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Conspiracy theory?

What kind of mod gives BF Commuter, anyway? More like Bulletproof.

If we're not going to lynch Dragonspawn now, then when?

[RadiantCowbells]

They're not confirmed town.

They claimed Best Friends. That does not make them town.

Boonskiies is the type of person to make a gambit like that, and scum haven't killed them yet.

If we lynch Dragonspawn, we get a legitimately confirmed clear who also happens to be able to commute, and we lose a shitty ass scumhunter.

Nothing else has my vote until that happens.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nothing, do you understand me?

You can lynch me to get me out of the game but I am not touching any other wagons until this is settled.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes, that's precisely what I'm claiming.

And we lynch Dragon and we still end up with a NK-immune IC.

Fully worth the trade to lose the goddamn WIFOM.

[RadiantCowbells]

Besides in the case of your ridiculous FoS: RC thing (which I was in essence correct about, if not how it pertains to your alignment), when have my plays ever been nutters?

Look at the goddamn game you're in, 3 straight scum lynches from me.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am not lynching or seriously discussing a lynch on anyone besides Dragonspawn.

why would scumboon claim full commuter best friend?

It got him this far, didn't it?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'd lynch between you and FA_Q2 if Dragon flipped town.

[RadiantCowbells]

How do you have so little respect for me?

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, I don't care.

I've said all I owe this town.

If you lose from here, it's your fucking faults.

[RadiantCowbells]

And boon, regardless of your alignment, don't pretend you don't know better than to think that's an alignment tell for me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh right, Egg was also in that neighbourhood.

I sorta forgot about that when I decided that there had to be more scum there.

VOTE: Egg

This scumflip will clear Boon/DS and make PK considerably less likely to flip scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

My opinion is that Annie is adorable.

[RadiantCowbells]

OK

VOTE: FA_Q2

[RadiantCowbells]

Silverwolf, you scum claiming?

[RadiantCowbells]

Please don't, I liked being right so many times in one game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Silverwolf, if you're claiming scum just go ahead and do it please.

[RadiantCowbells]

why u do this

[RadiantCowbells]

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[RadiantCowbells]

I was a day-4 onward dayvig.

I wanted to take my shot

[RadiantCowbells]

I h8 u forever.

[RadiantCowbells]

Sorry FA_Q2

[RadiantCowbells]

sorry PK D:

[RadiantCowbells]

I liked how you came into this game immediately scumreading me, by the way.

[RadiantCowbells]

Postcount champion, yus!

[RadiantCowbells]

Well I sorta kinda like you except for the fact that I read you wrong.

Does that make you feel better?

[RadiantCowbells]

Honestly, I can't even remember the number of people who've promised to WoTC me but I've only once been WoTCed so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

People are mad now because it's recent. Just forget about it and others will too.