New York 182 - Game Over

[Marquis]

can we not get distracted today for once and lynch klingon because she's pretty obviously sk at this point and if there's a chance this ends it then all the better.

[Marquis]

like

mafia spec is cool

mafia hunting is useless

pretty sure this is the core thing

some

of us aren't getting (hinthintfuzzy) and the difference between an easy win and completely totally absolutely unnecessary self-destruction

[Marquis]

traitor is a mafia role that can't kill

klingon is unnecessarily occupied only with mafia hunting as a form of redirection away from her own lynch. it's sk who's forgetting how to adapt to this kind of gamestate

[Marquis]

i am

so annoyed rn

[Marquis]

IF WE HAVE MAFIA LEFT IT CAN ONLY BE A TRAITOR THAT CAN'T KILL AND IS THEREFORE LESS WORTH LYNCHING THAN SK

and also

IF YOU APPARENTLY THINK SOMEONE IS LIKELY SK OR TRAITOR THERE IS NO LOGICAL REASON TO RANDOMLY TAKE A SHOT AT SOMEONE ELSE

THERE IS ONLY LIKE A 5% CHANCE ANY REGULAR MAFIA ARE STILL ALIVE AND USING OTHER MAFIAS' SIDES OF INTERACTIONS WITH SOMEONE AS EVIDENCE AGAINST SOMEONE NOW IS 95% HORRIBLE

all caps this time so you can't pretend you didn't see it

[Marquis]

i was ok with letting the circlejerking slide earlier but you're circlejerking further and further away from any sensible arguments if you even had any to begin with

[Marquis]

oh god it's seohyun somebody hammer before she gets back

[Marquis]

Who are you talking to Marquis?? Me or Flub

i'm so mad at flubber. he's voting scum. ugh how annoying

[Marquis]

another "interesting" note made on how klingon seems to discredit anyone scumreading her as a troll

[Marquis]

hey fuzzy

just because you're probably town and got lucky on notty by just shooting into a barrel of lurk doesn't mean you can keep going ahead ignoring my townreads which have been spot on all game

and i'm going to be extra clear here and say that flubber is town not to mention your vote on him is for literally the most illogical reasons

you're also ignoring the actual reasons why klingon is not only probscum but also a likely final lynch

i'm pretty sure a flubber townflip leads to a klingon lynch tomorrow so objectively i should be fine with that since we're still probably in a good position

but i want to get out of here without having to go through yet another torturous night phase during which i want to just scream at you guys for getting distracted by scum laser pointers but can't for a whole 72 hours or so

and so because i don't trust droog to vote klingon or not be potential traitor

fuzzy you need to unvote and actually vote scum now

[Marquis]

3099 is pretty much the definition of mafia past day 5

[Marquis]

................................................................................................................................................wow

[Marquis]

yeah i can't even be bothered now

checking out for tonight

[Marquis]

i'll be here later tonight but

literally anything other than a klingon lynch right now is an infinitely stupid idea

and this page has seen infinitely more stupid ideas than i had even thought possible

[Marquis]

this game

why

[Marquis]

this game

why

[Marquis]

i was thinking if i wasn't finally out of this today rip was probably superego sk who thought he could still mislynch me but then lolnope

[Marquis]

fuzzy is town or traitor, not worth lynching either way. still pretty sure flubber is town, him being wrong about every single scum just feels more like town than traitor or even sk!flub

poe means i would probably vote droog as the secondary proponent of questioning my obvtowniness

but then there's seo and i'm starting to feel like she could finally be scum this game like maybe i let my guard down and i can see her counting on me not wanting to lynch her at all after last games plus just because

[Marquis]

you'd have to be actually insane if you honestly believe any of the shit i've done this game has been some masterful scum plan to look good or "position" myself in any way

[Marquis]

lemme get this straight

fuzzy might be traitor
flubber is so scummy you think hes not scummy
im scummy
seo is scummy

oh wow

well

i said town or traitor, and it's probably the former
being wrong =/= scummy
not particularly before bc just PoE but now sure you can get a point for that
no, seo is... seo

VOTE: droog

yeah so instead of trying to word my posts in the scummiest way you can think of to gauge interest in my lynch maybe you could just vote me instead

[Marquis]

Marquis
Besides being totally wrong on scum ( and on town lynch). ,or the reason you gave ..... is there other reason(s) you believe Flub
Is town. What makes you think I might be a traitor?

i'm still pretty sure you're town but i've been kind of gradually panicking for a bit because if there's been scum in my strong townreads the past few days then it explains why everything is shit

i mean i pretty much strongarmed the klingon lynch through PoE and had tunnelvision on thor for like forever. along with muffin's earlier assessment of the ff kill and the fact that i am alive despite trying to bait my death for days i feel like it's experienced scum who's been relying on newbies to follow my reads because they've been shit this whole time and/or want me to take the blame for the mislynch

and droog's end-of-day setting up my lynch today along with the rip kill makes sort of sense. more sense than the really paranoid sounding theories my mind keeps pushing into the light. like i literally just typed and deleted "or it could be seo knowing i'd be wary of scumreading her based on history and knowing i'd expect her not to want to lynch me for ??? reasons so she can take a backseat on it" and hit undo to paste it again just to show you how i'm kind of panicking over potentially taking some earlier townreads for granted.

and i also typed "flub is town because... lolgut" but then that's exactly what i'm worried about about my own reads right now

[Marquis]

but hey

go on ignoring my question about
'obvtownness'
while you pretend im just only interested in lynching you

lol

it's almost exactly like you're building, curating my lynch right now. like you could be the owner of an art gallery named "the blaming, gossiping and lynching of marquis" or whatever words more closely mean what we both know i mean

as for obvtownness with how many people were townreading me i was all set to be the obvious nightkill after pisskop until the newbie trio all started scumreading me FOR KNOWING HOW MAFIA WORKS and you just sat there and whispered about me being scum too. and for whatever reason i keep finding myself kind of hoping you're town just so i can blame you for ruining the chances of me getting nightkilled in good conscience

[Marquis]

. still pretty sure flubber is town, him being wrong about every single scum just feels more like town than traitor or even sk!flub

-\\\

"him being wrong about every single scum"
so, flubber has a scummy record
which you think makes him not scummy
so
"flubber is so scummy you think hes not scummy"

you're not a newbie so,

please

. and there's only one of

those three

still alive so if you're thinking you can try to bring this up as a way to get one of me and flubber lynched instead, you shouldn't even bother

but i'll say it one last time just so you can't just pretend to not see it again: there is a sk left (or a two-man secondary scumteam but considering "mafia" and no prior mention of ww that's highly unlikely). if mafia are alive, there is also only a mafia traitor left. considering the balance of town PRs vs. only 2 mafia PRs, i think this is more likely than not but i'm ignoring it until sk is dead and game continues on for some reason.

flubber not voting mafia and always voting town doesn't make him sk, and makes him highly unlikely to be traitor. i don't think he's that ballsy. i also think if he were scum anyway, he'd have played this game... differently. i'll admit i'm struggling to explain this now but it's mostly gut + some DoA meta

@fuzzy too again, i'm trying not to put too much stock into it but it just doesn't feel like scum!flub.

[Marquis]

fuzzy i really really want to yell at you right now but it's late and i think i already know it won't do anything.

[Marquis]

Mar
Explain why you are you are obvtown.

because i am

[Marquis]

or was

it's day 8 again and i'm still alive

[Marquis]

after that interesting note, i decided to take a short trip down memory lane

i've been kept alive to lylo or lynched/nked just before lylo in ny 171, 173, and 177.

literally every one i've been in.

of course this isn't alignment indicative but it's still fucking annoying and maybe if i say it now it'll finally stop

[Marquis]

Confused how it could be a traitor since traitors do not have kill a ility. Guesss it could be a 1x . There several things wrong with this.1not sure a 1 shot traitor woulb be town. Also why a traitor would skil a fellow scum on day 1.

Serial Killer
Traitor
please notice how they are different things and different alignments

[Marquis]

and i will lay down my head and close my poor abused eyes as i patiently await a final, understanding response.

[Marquis]

it's only been a day and i already forgot this game existed

this is probably not good for toDay

[Marquis]

still feeling the droog lynch

i also just skimmed part of my iso and it's not that impressive except for where i put droog in never lynch for some reason and said "either droog is town or he'll get nked if i'm wrong" and it's too late for me to want to even try and figure out what i meant there

[Marquis]

no

[Marquis]

the gauging is still going on

it's like

you just can't stop it

[Marquis]

i wasn't considered mislynchable until yesterday with the jester trio and you adding onto it makes more sense as scum faced with too many obvtowns such that killing me was no longer a necessity

i also think if you really thought i was scum you wouldn't insist on trying to have this conversation like you're trying to get a chance to look Good and Logical rather than doing it just to engage with me

[Marquis]

with rip+klingon being town and fuzzy being probtown and me being recognized as obvtown until the stupid arguments it makes a shit ton of sense that scum would have jumped on my "scumminess" after that so as to drag me out of the reluctant-nkpool and into the lynchpool, which is exactly what your end of day 7 and beginning of this day looks like you've been building up to

and you've been saying i'm not your only scumread which is nowhere near the point - the point is you had me set as your mislynch after fuzzy+rip+klingon deemed it an option thru numbers, and your focus on me rather than a more organic town focus on yourself and why you shouldn't be lynched reads as a scum defense by offense tactic too

thing is i would be so much more sure of this if seo died because then rip would have guaranteed town support

but idk if rip was even scumreading you. maybe i'll look at it later today after class but for now the scenario that makes the most sense here is by far droog!scum

[Marquis]

mafia traitor - aligned with mafia, can't kill

serial killer - aligned with itself, can kill

they are two different things

again,

THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS

i have no idea why i still believe you're just this dense but i just

do

and it's infuriating

[Marquis]

this fucking game oh my god

i'm going to stop myself here and try to go to sleep instead of letting droog get to me too so peace out gnight w/e /weee

[Marquis]

droog is still scum
busy will be back tomorrow night

[Marquis]

or technically tonight i guess... ugh

[Marquis]

"surprise! here is my scumread on this suddenly lynchable player and some posts to back up my ~consistency~ with!!"
let's not pretend i didn't know you've been murmuring about me being scum all game
i even quoted it and posted it somewhere
i was originally even sort-of townreading u for that for some reason
but if i were scum i'd have killed you before any of the other dead because despite this game i know how good you actually are (even if everyone else this game seems to think this is def genuine town posting or whatever)

i am not feeling this game rn so maybe later @ fuzz
but
bleh
droog is scum
maybe if i keep saying it like this it'll finally get through more than droog is !!somehow!! getting thru like ~~wiggly spooky fingers~~

pedit oh yeah i forgot about that
you killing ffish makes a lot more sense than seo killing ffish so there's that

pedit pedit def of mafia not Mafia
keep misrepping go on

pedit pedit pedit lol lol lol nope

[Marquis]

i am kind of busy and ignoring games rn
but i also really just want this to be over
i'm at the stage where i feel like i've plateaued with how sure of this i am especially with the poe post-seo being basic
and like
fuzzy is town
seo is probtown
flub is probtown
and droog is... surviving??

can we just lynch droog now bc i am so done with this and done w him

pedit if flub was scum he would wagon with droog on me
i know i look bad rn and not killing me means if droog is town flub would capitalize on me for mislynch like now when ur pressuring him
but hes not and he's voting droog with reasining i dont even remember rn
and i still dont think scum flub is that ballsy

[Marquis]

also i was only wrong about thor and klingon
and the latter is excusable because everything about that was beyond the realm of believability

[Marquis]

fuzzy you should really just hammer droog
i'm kind of trying not to yell at you like yesterday with klingon because that probably will make you do something dumb instead this time

[Marquis]

im willing to lynch flubber
if there are no better choices
but i d rather get marquis

hes still dodging my questions
incuding logic like
"if flubber was scum hed be doing what hes doing
but hes doing it beter than i am"

good job saying things that i have already said
i'm ignoring you because it's clear you're just going to keep twisting my words to make them sound almost alien compared to what's right there
and somehow fuzzy is half-buying into it
so
good job

your wording "get marquis" is also pretty clear you have no actual town mindset in this
and if you were really so sure on me you wouldn't even consider compromising for flubber
which is pretty much just an appeal to fuzzy for help

also nice beetlejuicing
which is def flimsy yeah
but there
(and i'm still hoping you'll just reveal who you actually are so pls)

[Marquis]

answer one of those things
i dare you

how many posts did you make?
2?? well

no

no

[Marquis]

when you admit
that you dont remember why you townread me
for scumreading you
and then scumread me
for scumreading you

fucking wow
just
wow

i originally shoved you into a townread pile because i really didn't feel like sorting a player who was both good + didn't know that well (or maybe it was just you - from what i know of your towngame you have both that more-often-than-not accuracy and clout, and also if i was scum here you'd be long dead) and i assumed that scum would know that and probably kill you before it came to me needing to actually sort you
what i don't remember is why i didn't take a second look at you earlier than this
i have no idea

but to say
"when you admit
that you dont remember why you townread me
for scumreading you
and then scumread me
for scumreading you"
i am literally quoting this because i have no idea how to paraphrase it - its entirety is just so...

bad

you are misrepping literally everything i've said today and trying to spin some sort of narrative about how scum!me would... i don't even know what exactly you're trying to feed to everyone, other than that i'm scum who didn't have a definitive read on you earlier (which btw is in no way how my scumgame works which i'm kind of assuming flubber already picked up on by voting you over me in spite of my recent shit) but you're also spinning me as the yelling/senseless one and that's annoying af
and you even quoted my reads and noticing
so you have no excuse
other than being scum
and annoying thing #19235 is that fuzzy is listening which is partially my fault for the thor and klingon townflips but i have no idea how it even comes off as credible at all other than your naturally casual-looking posting style

[Marquis]

reminder
marquis has me as town all game

droog is

just being norma

l

never lynch

...

droog (either he's town or he'll get killed if i'm wrong)

mething

i think you skipped most everything then but it's okay bc

you're in my titanic

should probably put you by or above next to droog. your questioning there right away had that subconscious town feel kind of. i think

i am absolutely not willing to compromise on flubber/droog/seo

or anything you guys might randomly bring up. and right now with her trying to push me through early i think the klingon lynch is a game-ending-thank-fucking-god lynch.

until here suddenly

f
poe means i would probably vote

droog as the secondary proponent of questioning my obvtowniness

when i was lamely suspecing
marquis
ALL GAME

god

i'm pretty sure i explained at least like ten (or realistically at least five) times now

the "secondary proponent" refers to you coming back and loudly pressing the "marquis could be the actual scum!" angle at the end of last day ONLY AFTER the lynch had already been secured and ONLY after fuzzy/rip/klingon got together in their idiot circle and started saying (AND ACTUALLY BELIEVING) shit like "marquis is scum for knowing that traitors aren't serial killers and serial killers exist independent of traitor" or whatever it was they were selling - ftr i still don't know what the fuck they were even thinking that was and i actually don't regret the klingon lynch because that was insane and she had no handle on anything

before that you can say you were suspecting me all game, but i didn't hear anything about it the last day or so until their townreads on me magically disappeared - and that in no way should have affected you pushing me like that then and there if you were actually town.

and so there it is
you're harping on that because it's your only option
and i've just explained it to everyone in the clearest way i can for hopefully the last time
kind of curious as to how you'll twist it now but
i actually really don't want to argue with scum anymore sooo
bye bae

[Marquis]

before that you can say you were suspecting me all game, but i didn't hear anything about it the last day or so until their townreads on me magically disappeared - and that in no way should have affected you pushing me like that then and there if you were actually town.

also you-scum just letting klingon and co. remove their townreads on me, letting klingon lynch just go through and coming back to try and set up more ~read!precedent~ to incriminate and mislynch me makes so much sense with how that and your sudden activity went down
the only reason rip could be dead for too is because iirc he had you in his poe scumpile and that kind of ego-crazy would have been impossible for you to argue against with flubber also wanting you dead and fuzzy being at rip's side
rip's scumread on me was the whole fucking crazy same traitor thing as klingon and if i were scum i'd have killed you or fuzzy - you're literally the only one to have benefited from that nightkill

[Marquis]

cases are scummy

[Marquis]

actually i think i will use "speculate/speculating" in place of "scumhunt/scumhunting" in all future posts
this might be fun

[Marquis]

i thought everyone claimed vt already

[Marquis]

well can't remember flubber but i'm assuming he did

[Marquis]

hi fuzzy you should read the responses droog kept asking for despite me giving them earlier and is now ignoring once i made them even more explicit
and then maybe hammer the scum already

[Marquis]

?????????????????????????
i am
why is that a problem

[Marquis]

Also I dont think you are scum....this game doesnt ssem to fit your scum meta on the other handv0 I am not feeling droog scum. I feel quite comfortable on Flubber.

if you're going to criticize me for "bad reads"
we can talk about boonskiies and antihero with regards to yours
boon!scum and anti!town were just as obvious as droog!scum is now
and yet you're stubbornly and annoyingly rooting yourself in the other direction

[Marquis]

wondering how ridiculous the idea that droog is making significantly more spelling errors and duplicates than usual just to somehow endear himself to fuzzy sounds

[Marquis]

also before u pounce on that i know it's super moonlogic and not valid
but if somehow it's even part of the truth i'm just letting you know now that that's kind of hilariously desperate

[Marquis]

uh

idk

kind of banking this on him being scum

[Marquis]

i think scum trying to kill thor n1 makes the most sense

especially with sakura

[Marquis]

I keep forgetting this game is a thing

and seo idek why you're townreading droog other than that you don't have experience with his scumgame. he adopts the same tone universally so it comes off as genuine but his push on me is horrible and is no way town-motivated

[Marquis]

I would consider it... Flubber or Marquis are both acceptable lynches to me...

not only was flub saying that droog killing me would implicate him and inly him

but you're townreading me too and if you would seriously lynch me over droog right now that's just........ ughhh

[Marquis]

If you guys don't see it when it's all been laid out and should be so fucking obvious for this whole dayphase then I have absolutely no idea what to do now

droog is scum. fuzzy dismissing my reads as if they're any worse than his and seo just ignoring it in favor of a weak not to mention completely wrong "sounds genuine/town" or whatever aren't going to change that but they are going to change

like i'm in the position where i'm confident enough to say "if he flips town lynch me" but i'm not going to because i know i suck as town but it's mostly due to that i cannot see anyone else except like 5% flub+seo flipping scum here

[Marquis]

First of all, I don't see why flub saying nk-ing marquis would implicate droog since I don't think it would

considering i'm the only one who wants him lynched
yes it would

[Marquis]

please just hammer droog i promise you i am at least 10 times more done with this game and 100 times more done with this day than you

[Marquis]

i actually don't think you would which frightens me less than i think it should

[Marquis]

finally

[Marquis]

is that the game with the sticky rolly ball

[Marquis]

i am the worst

[Marquis]

does this mean i have to reread and do nka againnnnn

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Marquis]

at least i actually fucking know it's lylo this time

[Marquis]

i want to say yes just so i don't have to bother trying to figure your shit out

seriously fuck droog for being town

[Marquis]

god i'll just do this tomorrow

pedit why

why that

what that

[Marquis]

hey flub why did you even kill fuzzy he would have lynched me

[Marquis]

OK NOW I KIND OF ACTUALLY WANT TO

[Marquis]

fuck

no i don't

fuck

[Marquis]

i think the thing i'm most pissed off at myself for

is why did i have to let night end early

i am so not in the mood for this right now

[Marquis]

ok

i will just

stay away

from the thread

until at least 90% of me doesn't just feel like complaining and bitching about how much i hate this and hate lylo and hate having to be the one to get the final shit done every damn time and

whatever bye

[Marquis]

really

[Marquis]

flub

are you scum

u can trust me

i won't tell seo

promise

[Marquis]

that looks like a really bs "case" for me being town given that you know i could yell as scum too

[Marquis]

Yes

I killed fuzzy because I was tunneling so hard on him I thought I was scum

Now I'm just trolling because I'm actually a doublevoter

i remember absolutely nothing of you suspecting fuzzy

compared to everyone else here he was obvtown by far

[Marquis]

i guess i

could

see this as scum trying to distance themselves from the kill

but then it just feels simultaneously way too obvious and like stretching so much

[Marquis]

also this is like the third time i was about to say i hate my reads and hate being alive and just want to sheep someone but hahaha guess what that's not an option fuck

[Marquis]

flub

why is seo scum

i am currently leaning you right now which normally i wouldn't feel so bad about except the margin is by like less than 10% so i'm not feeling good at all

pedit why would i need to make a town case on you

if you're town you should be trying to figure out who's scum (also if you're town you should be voting seo just so i don't have to deal with whoever's scum between you two keeping your options open but that's pretty obviously fmpov). and you're as in >you, not just general you're

[Marquis]

also why would i need to take all of my motivation to make a TOWN case on someone if i have no fucking idea if they're town or not

it just looks like you're trying to buddy up to me right now and do a lot of unnecessary work in the wrong direction so that i'll agree with you over her

but it's so horribly done that it's freaking me out like why is it so easy to find obvious pov slips i don't think you're that bad as scum

[Marquis]

if we're going to get in a "complete lack of motivation for this game right now" war i think i'd pretty easily win

with the droog townflip i was really really hoping i'd be one of those "surprise!" pre-lylo kills that's done to try and "wtf" the town over

but lolnope

and my couldn't-give-less-of-a-fuck-right-now-just-please-don't-vote-me-because-i'm-town-and-sick-of-dumb-1v1s-ness is also in part due to being sick of fucking up in lylo

but hey! no self victimization here lolz

[Marquis]

SEO I SEE YOU TWEETING IF YOU'RE AVOIDING THIS GAME RIGHT NOW OF ALL TIMES IS2G

[Marquis]

i really want to vote you then unvote really quickly

that's pretty much the best summary of where i stand and what this game feels like for me right now

[Marquis]

so

i'm going to bed

i have a new job and work the next two days and really need to focus on that so if you guys could vote each other and whichever one of you is town say at least one genuine-as-fuck thing by the time i wake up so i only have to spend a maximum of 30 more minutes trying to solve this game because i'm probably never going to be in the mood to get into another 1v1 between me and someone else even if they're actually scum this time

well that would be great

gnight

[Marquis]

VOTE: seo

good morning, i guess

[Marquis]

how did town lose that rip

i think you answered your own question

(jk rip was fairly accurate, his ego just destroyed his own credibility)

[Marquis]

Marquis, why me n1?

from what i remember, it was trying to aim for a low-information kill on a player who i thought would be fairly accurate as town (at the time i was only 60% sure thor was town and the experienced town weren't onto me by then, esp. with anti basically being my human shield)

it wasn't meant to specifically kill scum unlike what thor/muffin speculated - i actually forgot it was the silverwolf slot, which i had pinned as scum for play and replacement :( lol oh well

[Marquis]

i mean logically it doesn't matter how swole i am if i can't fit under the bed so

[Marquis]

oh god its so late

[Marquis]

nice job marquis. i'm impressed.

Well played Marquis.

thank u guys
rly means a lot <3