Mini 1671 - Eclipse Mafia - Total Eclipse (Game Over)

PeaceBringer · Post Post #114 (isolation #1) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:03 am

In post 17, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 14, PeaceBringer wrote:

This is scummy. Covering his eyes with glasses so we don't read the scum in them.

you going to be town this time?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #115 (isolation #2) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:04 am

In post 22, Scarab wrote:
In post 17, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 14, PeaceBringer wrote:

This is scummy. Covering his eyes with glasses so we don't read the scum in them.
PeaceBringer is my strongest town read atm, but you can redeem yourself by voting Skold with me.

Unvote: ABR

Vote: Skold

because
OMGUS
he had to have noticed BBT's existence in the game before he saw my post and I think the fact that his message to BBT was posted after his vote for me was to draw attention away from the vote

vote scarab...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #117 (isolation #3) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:06 am

In post 52, Clusk92 wrote:
Skold
, do you have any geniune thoughts/reads so far?

concerning- anyone can hae genuine reads and how would you know if thoughts and reads are genuine or not. That post is 1000 times a load of crap

PeaceBringer · Post Post #118 (isolation #4) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:07 am

so apparently Skold is about as easy to get run up as I am... all kinds of horrid bad here...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #119 (isolation #5) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:08 am

In post 85, Scarab wrote:
Unvote: Skold

Vote: Prolapsed Brain

Skold wagon is kinda bad. Juls wagon is very bad. This post is just asking for rope

better,

vote juls

PeaceBringer · Post Post #120 (isolation #6) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:09 am

In post 86, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Why is Skold wagon bad?

you are bad again aren't you... tsk tsk tsk

PeaceBringer · Post Post #121 (isolation #7) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:12 am

gamrer- you actually commited to the game this time?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #122 (isolation #8) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:13 am

[quote="In post 121, PeaceBringer"]

gamrer- you actually commited to the game this time?[/

quote]
wait, I actually cannot discuss that, nevermind.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #128 (isolation #9) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:28 am

and #shakinghead over a IC claim with no more then prodding from a few folks...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #132 (isolation #10) » Mon May 11, 2015 3:03 am

In post 130, Clusk92 wrote:
In post 117, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 52, Clusk92 wrote:
Skold
, do you have any geniune thoughts/reads so far?

concerning- anyone can hae genuine reads and how would you know if thoughts and reads are genuine or not. That post is 1000 times a load of crap

Wow, that's quite the stretch isn't it?

Why are you voting for Juls?

Atm you and PB are going on my scumpile.

for what, for calling you full of crap... skold is low hanging fruit, Juls jumped on the low hanging fruit to the point of trying to push it to a wagon... it was the one skold vote that stood out beside your nonsense... and your stuff is likely just nonsense...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #133 (isolation #11) » Mon May 11, 2015 3:10 am

In post 130, Clusk92 wrote:
In post 117, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 52, Clusk92 wrote:
Skold
, do you have any geniune thoughts/reads so far?

concerning- anyone can hae genuine reads and how would you know if thoughts and reads are genuine or not. That post is 1000 times a load of crap

Wow, that's quite the stretch isn't it?

Why are you voting for Juls?

Atm you and PB are going on my scumpile.

well there is another PB, that is going to be confusing-
and your reason for the Prolapse Brain is you did not like the reason... guess what, pretty much all reasons are sketchy at this point... yours is no better...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #134 (isolation #12) » Mon May 11, 2015 3:12 am

but looking back over, juls is rather new it seems-
so actually more low hanging fruit...

unvote

PeaceBringer · Post Post #137 (isolation #13) » Mon May 11, 2015 5:42 am

In post 136, Skold wrote:
In post 117, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 52, Clusk92 wrote:
Skold
, do you have any geniune thoughts/reads so far?

concerning- anyone can hae genuine reads and how would you know if thoughts and reads are genuine or not. That post is 1000 times a load of crap

This post is bad. It's takes Clusk's post out of context by far and away. Scum read behind Juls.

lol, naw, skold, it is my general take on crappy statements like that... it was what he said. There is nothing out of context...
so why is noob juls a scum read for you skold?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #138 (isolation #14) » Mon May 11, 2015 5:45 am

In post 135, Garmr wrote:
In post 134, PeaceBringer wrote:but looking back over, juls is rather new it seems-
so actually more low hanging fruit...

unvote

Juls has 1 and a half pages under her belt (this is taking away all the other stuff she posts on) ;/ I think that it's safe to say she does have enough experience.

oh good lord, really? that is horrid- sigh...
well I may have to look at her further then as there is no excuse for not knowing what an IC is.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #141 (isolation #15) » Mon May 11, 2015 5:56 am

In post 139, Clusk92 wrote:
In post 137, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 136, Skold wrote:
In post 117, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 52, Clusk92 wrote:
Skold
, do you have any geniune thoughts/reads so far?

concerning- anyone can hae genuine reads and how would you know if thoughts and reads are genuine or not. That post is 1000 times a load of crap

This post is bad. It's takes Clusk's post out of context by far and away. Scum read behind Juls.

lol, naw, skold, it is my general take on crappy statements like that... it was what he said. There is nothing out of context...
so why is noob juls a scum read for you skold?

Why is asking someone a question to get them involved in the game a crappy statement? You are trying to make something out of nothing at the moment which is what scum love to do.

you were talking about "genuine" reads and genuine thoughts which we really cannot tell what is real and faked. If you think you can tell if someone is faking, give more than um, "not genuine" because the reality is that it is. I got no problem with folks being poked at, I chose this to poke at you, deal with it.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #142 (isolation #16) » Mon May 11, 2015 5:57 am

In post 140, Clusk92 wrote:
In post 132, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 130, Clusk92 wrote:
In post 117, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 52, Clusk92 wrote:
Skold
, do you have any geniune thoughts/reads so far?

concerning- anyone can hae genuine reads and how would you know if thoughts and reads are genuine or not. That post is 1000 times a load of crap

Wow, that's quite the stretch isn't it?

Why are you voting for Juls?

Atm you and PB are going on my scumpile.

for what, for calling you full of crap... skold is low hanging fruit, Juls jumped on the low hanging fruit to the point of trying to push it to a wagon... it was the one skold vote that stood out beside your nonsense... and your stuff is likely just nonsense...

How do you know Skold is low hanging fruit and not actually scum?

you know there are certain experiences that cannot be discussed, right? I don't know for a fact in this game that he is, but I can make a conculsion based on my limited knowledge..

PeaceBringer · Post Post #143 (isolation #17) » Mon May 11, 2015 6:01 am

but taking it beyond things that cannot be discussed
in this game, he was run up quickly for what appears to be his style of engagement and interaction and on null behaviors with some quick momentum-

PeaceBringer · Post Post #145 (isolation #18) » Mon May 11, 2015 6:07 am

In post 144, Clusk92 wrote:You know I meant geniune in this context as in serious thoughts, because he was joking and not being serious in every post. Stop being so pedantic.

I can assure you, I am far from pedantic. Folks here take things way to serious. I decided to slap at you for that awful comment telling someone having fun to essentially be more serious and take a shot at you to see what I get back. It worked.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #149 (isolation #19) » Mon May 11, 2015 8:00 am

In post 148, Zoronos wrote:Ummm... telling someone to play serious when they're just joking around isn't scummy. If anything ending joke-phase early leans slightly townie, imo. The only thing I saw even possibly scummy about that post is that the phrasing 'genuine opinions' is pejorative (since it presumes non-genuine opinions), but it wasn't followed up with a credibility attack and was specifically directed at joke posting.
So yeah, doesn't seem scummy to me.

Zoronos, please pay attention to what I said. I said I poked at Cluck to get a response and I did. I have not voted him, I have not called him scum. I said he is saying stupid stuff. I wanted to slap at him for what he said and I did and learned from it.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #151 (isolation #20) » Mon May 11, 2015 8:18 am

In post 150, Zoronos wrote:So, what did you learn?

You wrote a bunch of stuff calling a post, "awful", "Stupid" or "a load of crap". You went to effort to belabor how much you dislike that post.

I disliked it, that was the slap. I learned more about Clusk enough to put him on the town side. It is what I do.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #153 (isolation #21) » Mon May 11, 2015 8:26 am

In post 152, Skold wrote:Just because you didn't vote/scumread him doesn't mean your silly attack won't come under scrutiny.
VOTE: PeaceBringer
The attack was weird, the defense is awkward.

I am as used to scrunity as you appear to be... I guage reaction. Go check my play then get back to me.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #154 (isolation #22) » Mon May 11, 2015 8:30 am

oh, and I am not defending it, as i have nothing to defend. I am explaining things for those who do not understand, but generally those that do not understand, just will not, and I am all right with that...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #156 (isolation #23) » Mon May 11, 2015 8:39 am

In post 155, Zoronos wrote:Peace, what in Clusk's response specifically said Town to you?

it is consistent with what people who are town tend to do when I come at them with a hard atangonstic push. Sometimes I get it wrong, but the energy and frustration and overall attitude came off as townish. There is a bit more slicky and slippery feel to scum response. Sometimes I get null that does not feel one way or another. Clusk seems pretty straigh forward to me.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #157 (isolation #24) » Mon May 11, 2015 8:40 am

Zoronos, you come of as town, if you come off the same way as scum, in the way you present, it will hard to tell if you are scum or town. Your play seems town to me...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #158 (isolation #25) » Mon May 11, 2015 8:41 am

oh and zoronos check out me or the Sharpest-knife-on-tree alt and then get back to me about my purposeful antagonism...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #160 (isolation #26) » Mon May 11, 2015 9:50 am

In post 159, Scarab wrote:Do you still automatically hammer anyone who reaches L-1?

no I do not threaten to hammer if do not claim... there is nothing else I can talk about at the moment...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #163 (isolation #27) » Mon May 11, 2015 1:15 pm

sorry sotty... it was more about being quickly run up then anything. My opinion in this game is based on that. It may change, but that is my opinion.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #166 (isolation #28) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:08 pm

In post 165, Juls wrote:Well Sotty thought the same thing. She's been around longer than I have but we make no excuses. We are just mere women. You know, stupid and stuff.

link to sotty thinking the same thing... and what is with the denigration? It has nothing to do with "sex." I know plenty of smart women and many who do quite well playing the game, so what was the intent of that response?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #168 (isolation #29) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:15 pm

In post 167, Juls wrote:
In post 96, Sotty7 wrote:

In post 79, Juls wrote:OK...sorry I was thinking IC in terms of newbie games and was confused as hell.

I was actually thinking the same thing.

ah, lost in a bunch of other stuff, easy for me to miss. Thanks...
now as to the rest of what I asked, why the need for the denigration?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #171 (isolation #30) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:21 pm

In post 169, Juls wrote:@Peacebringer - Can you please explain the following sequence of events for me:

1) vote for Juls (no reason)
2) unvote Juls (cause low hanging fruit?)
3) made aware that I have been around awhile
4) doesn't return vote to Juls

your vote jumped out at me,
then felt it was style
factor in information
I have not yet decided what to do with new information
FYI- I am intuitive and often go by such things including heebie jeebies...then try and sort things out.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #173 (isolation #31) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:28 pm

In post 172, Juls wrote:I often naked vote early to gauge reaction. I blatantly hopped on the wagon. No apologies about that.

I would ask for one, just stood out, since I don't know you from eve, well, it is all about learning... also explains the heat... typical

PeaceBringer · Post Post #175 (isolation #32) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:31 pm

In post 174, Prolapsed Brain wrote:
In post 165, Juls wrote:I just like ABR and didn't really want to jump on that wagon.

Wait -- are you seriously saying that you allow your personal feelings toward fellow players to influence your gameplay?

Seriously?

every one does... no mystery, you claiming otherwise... you spock or data like?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #180 (isolation #33) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:35 pm

vote prolapsed brain

Juls is feisty... that is a good thing...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #183 (isolation #34) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:37 pm

and I am a complete dweeb, as I see Juls joined in 2008... -bag- (see title)... don't grasp how did not understand IC to be innocent child though... -shrug-

PeaceBringer · Post Post #185 (isolation #35) » Mon May 11, 2015 2:40 pm

In post 184, Juls wrote:Because I have played/modded a lot more newbie games than I have played with Innocent Children. IC to me is and always will be Inexperienced Challenged. Also that exchange happened over the course of like 10 minutes, not days. I was real-time trying to figure out what she was talking about. It made sense once I realized what she meant.

fair enough...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #214 (isolation #36) » Tue May 12, 2015 2:00 am

PeaceBringer · Post Post #233 (isolation #37) » Thu May 14, 2015 1:57 pm

vote sotty...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #238 (isolation #38) » Thu May 14, 2015 4:18 pm

In post 237, Sotty7 wrote:Peacebringer is likely town. He's been scum hunting. His vote on me is just wrong, but that doesn't make him scum.

this statement actually makes me less than comfortable...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #241 (isolation #39) » Thu May 14, 2015 5:37 pm

alas,

unvote

I got know gut calls other than her making me uncomfortable, but that is null anyway and reaction felt okay even though I am not feeling warm and fuzzy based on well my normal experience... but some folks are that way...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #246 (isolation #40) » Fri May 15, 2015 12:29 am

In post 244, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:129 - Clusk, why was the Juls wagon terrible and the Skold wagon not? What were the differences?

134 - Peace, Juls has a 2008 join date...how is she classified as 'new'?

that has all been sorted out... I didn't not catch that... why you feel a need to bring up stuff that has come and gone?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #254 (isolation #41) » Fri May 15, 2015 2:01 am

In post 248, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I don't get how the comment on Juls relates to the vote on Prolapsed.

it doesn't it, there is a break between statements...

I am sad the Minnesoate Wild were swept by Chicago Blackhawks...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #255 (isolation #42) » Fri May 15, 2015 2:02 am

In post 251, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:238/241 - This doesn't make sense Peace... You're voting Sotty, she makes a statement that makes you even more uncomfortable and you follow this with an unvote...what?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #257 (isolation #43) » Fri May 15, 2015 6:50 am

good question...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #270 (isolation #44) » Fri May 15, 2015 3:38 pm

In post 269, Sotty7 wrote:I'm sad about this too. It did happen awhile ago now, I think you can step out of your bereavement stage now.

it was a statement to make the point... I am over it...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #274 (isolation #45) » Sat May 16, 2015 4:45 am

In post 264, Scarab wrote:In post 240, Zoronos wrote:I'm not disposed to lynching Sotty or Scarab right now. (Scarab's emotional / frustrated reaction to Garmr felt very genuine, and I don't see a good scum strategy there).I don't like this. Using my emotional response to Garmr to call me town on the basis that he "doesn't see a good scum strategy there" reeks of ascribing motivation based on knowing my alignment. Or...let me put that another way: I think looking at emotion and thinking "that looks genuine" makes sense, but looking at emotion that looks genuine and thinking "hmmm...what scum strategy might there be for this?" seems a bit ridiculous and I don't think that's something someone would be likely to post if they actually thought about why I did what I did.Vote: Zoronos

eh, I think over thinking that...as zoro's tone has seemed town to me...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #342 (isolation #46) » Mon May 18, 2015 8:13 am

missed checking in on this one over the weekend, sorry...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #352 (isolation #47) » Mon May 18, 2015 5:03 pm

In post 348, Scarab wrote:I dreamt that Axxle is scum.

I learned a hard way, not make game decisions based on dreams...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #358 (isolation #48) » Tue May 19, 2015 3:08 am

vote skold

I guess...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #368 (isolation #49) » Tue May 19, 2015 5:20 pm

heh... figures

PeaceBringer · Post Post #369 (isolation #50) » Tue May 19, 2015 5:23 pm

that is an interesting counter wagon reboot attempt...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #378 (isolation #51) » Wed May 20, 2015 2:07 am

Red, welcome, you have experience with me as sharpest-knife-on-tree

On day one I thought Skold was just low hanging fruit based on quick run up. So I took to defend him at that point. The interactions with him then and current play put him suspect mode for me. You are right, as of now, I don't have anything that is igniting passion in this game. And I really hadn't noted a BBT/ABR fight... It is a week one if it is a fight.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #397 (isolation #52) » Thu May 21, 2015 1:45 pm

sns- please tell me what interaction seemed faked, tia...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #423 (isolation #53) » Sun May 24, 2015 5:12 am

I see no reason to change my vote at this juncture

PeaceBringer · Post Post #432 (isolation #54) » Mon May 25, 2015 2:45 am

In post 430, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Why is this game so slow?

holiday weekend in US is part of it I am sure.

2 inactive slots does not help
dueling run-ups here is interesting and no one looks to be "blinking" while both targets stay away

PeaceBringer · Post Post #437 (isolation #55) » Mon May 25, 2015 5:30 am

reasons and lack of reasons is null behavior and to use such to declare scum or non-scum is fallacious.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #439 (isolation #56) » Mon May 25, 2015 6:07 am

In post 438, Skold wrote:So voting without any reason isn't a scumtell? Okay.

Yup, and any mindset that tell you differently is something that has been intermittently reinforced. In fact, you yourself have voted without reasons beyond RVS and yet you focus on "reasons" for someone else. You also have given have hearted reasons and flipped perspective calling one person scum and then pointing at/voting someone who was focused on said slot. You can make "reasons" up for anyone.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #440 (isolation #57) » Mon May 25, 2015 6:08 am

In post 438, Skold wrote:And what about his conditions for voting me? Or his self-admission of not being serious?

oh, I thought he didn't have reasons. Conditions=reasons. You are a suspect. It is worthwhile to pursue further. It is the game.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #443 (isolation #58) » Mon May 25, 2015 9:54 am

In post 441, Skold wrote:You know what I meant. Or at least should have. But I'll clarify -
Has not presented reasons for scumreading me.
Has presented conditions for voting me.

you missed the point...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #461 (isolation #59) » Tue May 26, 2015 1:48 pm

In post 448, RedCoyote wrote:Ugh... this game is going to stagnate. I have nothing new to say that hasn't been said. I also don't think it's fair to the town to be held to the deadline with two vacant slots.

This is WIFOM, but I'm going to say it anyway. As scum I wouldn't bring this point up and hope the mod would just push forward. But I need to officially request that the mod suspends the deadline until both slots are filled.

tthis

PeaceBringer · Post Post #473 (isolation #60) » Wed May 27, 2015 4:34 am

In post 472, Sotty7 wrote:Yeah, we're not lynching Sns. Skold is lurking this day out, it's really screaming scum. He's posted just enough to avoid replacement but not enough to actually not be lurking. He needs to die in a fire already.

+1

PeaceBringer · Post Post #493 (isolation #61) » Wed May 27, 2015 3:46 pm

bizarre getting others perceptions...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #518 (isolation #62) » Thu May 28, 2015 4:00 pm

In post 516, Juls wrote:I'd be willing to do a PB or Zoro in addition to Scarab. Skold would be deadline only for me I think.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #547 (isolation #63) » Fri May 29, 2015 4:29 pm

In post 541, RedCoyote wrote:What's this crap? How about giving us actual content? What's got into you, Peace? You're really slipping. You are playing nothing at all like the townSNOT game I was in with you. You're totally coasting right now and just biding your time for a Skold lynch. Nothing about your play tells me you are allowing critical content to have you consider your vote. Your last five posts have all been throwaway posts. I point everyone to Peace's 358,

not a shock....
point me to critical content that wold give me reason to move my vote...
I have gotten more sold on the vote since I made it as at that time, it was a wagon and I did not like the scarab wagon...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #554 (isolation #64) » Sat May 30, 2015 6:18 am

man, I hate deadlines... reading over skold now, not sold on lynch but no time to go elsewhere...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #556 (isolation #65) » Sat May 30, 2015 6:20 am

In post 542, Juls wrote:Also, just so I don't forget, I still want @sns to say what interactions he felt were fake between myself and Peace.

this is something I actually agree with...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #560 (isolation #66) » Sat May 30, 2015 6:28 am

In post 551, Sotty7 wrote:His day one contribution has been extremely poor

please tell me, what would be non-poor day 1 contribution and would that expectation be something I would ever fit, here?
My perspective about day 1 here, people engage, sit back, look for something that they can form a wagon on for some minor reason. Take how I interacted day 1 with my sharpest-knife-on-tree alt. I random voted on day 1. It always got a reaction and usually that was with my drawing initial heat and a wagon, some of which folks locked in on for the entire game. Folks get run up, reads are gauged, 1st run up usually is disengaged. The other reads are made based on feels and exchanges that are minor. Some feel they actually have grounds to make a case on scummy or not scummy. Sometimes the engagement does actually ferret scum.

Here is what I am used to. Joking, schtick, empty votes, folks parrying back and forth until a wagon is formed on nothing. Eventually someone is brought to a claim. Claim evaluated. Sometimes 1-2 more run ups occur for competing claims. Day eventually ends with a lynch, more often than not of non-scum, but occasionally scum. Lines are established, voting patterns are examined and so on.

But please do share how my day 1 is "poor."

PeaceBringer · Post Post #561 (isolation #67) » Sat May 30, 2015 6:28 am

I am game,

vote SNS

PeaceBringer · Post Post #575 (isolation #68) » Sat May 30, 2015 11:57 am

In post 574, Juls wrote:prefer peacebringer

why?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #577 (isolation #69) » Sat May 30, 2015 12:27 pm

In post 576, Juls wrote:Several questionable votes and backing off votes at interesting times. I explained in my larger post that I assume you didn't read.

I read your rambling nonsense.
So in order to convince you that I am not scum, all my votes would have to make sense to you. I would never back off a vote. Truly, do folks really do that around here. A vote is a vote. I have my view, you have yours. I use voting differently then you do. Yet, you want to conclude ill motives in how I engage game and demonstrate tons of confirmation bias. You really offered no explanation. You engaged in a large ramble sharing perspectives and perceptions on varied posts. It was nothing coherent and certainly did not make a lot of sense. It is just plain bad.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #579 (isolation #70) » Sat May 30, 2015 12:53 pm

In post 578, Juls wrote:Sharing perspectives and perceptions on varied posts.

Am I playing a different game than you? That's 3/4 of the definition of mafia.

Yes, we play the game differently. That is the point. It is the same game, there are as many different ways to interact as there are people.
I play the game far differently then you do and far differently then most people on the site. The game is about an uninformed minority and a informed majority who lies and tries to blend in. You throw in different elements that give certain uninformed, certain information. You can find the truth by certain # of ways. Eventually it comes down to a claim, information, and a flip and then sorting out behavior based on varied elements. You have a certain expectation of behavior. So scum hunting comes down to focusing on certain behavioral expectations. Yet, even those expectations are poorly followed and managed and it is all about who you like and don't like. I see certain trends followed over and over, often to poor results. I have seen some good results from certain things. Sometimes I can get a sense, other times I do not. I am highly intuitive. I also am a student of human behavior. I gauge reactions. Sometimes I don't have clue and flop around. None of it points to whether I am town or scum. So rather than ask me what my motivation is and try and learn how I play the game and what I do, you just calm me scum and stop trying to really sort anything else out. So, then when I do come up town, you are screwed and got no direction and probably do not re-evaluate your other perceptions, because you were locked in on something so horrid.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #581 (isolation #71) » Sat May 30, 2015 1:27 pm

In post 580, Juls wrote:When I levy an accusation that implies that I expect you to reply or acknowledge it in some way. Because I don't ask you a direct question does not make it that I don't want a reply. I may very well have asked some questions, not sure and too lazy to look back right now but regardless, you didn't respond or offer any defense. Saying "I use my vote differently than you" is not a defense. If you want questions:

1) Why did you vote me originally and what specifically caused you to back off as easily as you did?
2) When you did back off, why did you not return your vote once you realized your reason for unvoting was wrong (that I was a new player)? I know you answered this earlier but if you could go into more details I would appreciate it.
3) You said Sotty calling you town made you uncomfortable while you had your vote on her. Why then did you unvote her within like 3 posts after that?
4) Why have you jumped on every leading/flash wagon that has popped up?

actually I have to go back and get back where my head was at as a lot of time has passed between now and then. Actually, looking back, I really did not vote your for suspicion. I was actually taking issue with Scarab and the skold vote at the time, which to me seemed low hanging fruit. So my initial vote on you was actually a sarcastic slap at scarab at the time.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #582 (isolation #72) » Sat May 30, 2015 1:30 pm

oh but then I got sold in the vote... catching the mindset is tough, I know I was reacting to the initial skold wagon as a starting point. Things shifted, but it did look like you were pushing for what appeared to be an easy lynch when I moved past the response to scarab that I don't recall why I had it.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #583 (isolation #73) » Sat May 30, 2015 1:33 pm

In post 171, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 169, Juls wrote:@Peacebringer - Can you please explain the following sequence of events for me:

1) vote for Juls (no reason)
2) unvote Juls (cause low hanging fruit?)
3) made aware that I have been around awhile
4) doesn't return vote to Juls

your vote jumped out at me,
then felt it was style
factor in information
I have not yet decided what to do with new information
FYI- I am intuitive and often go by such things including heebie jeebies...then try and sort things out.

this adequately demonstrates my thought process at the time...
I didn't vote you because I wasn't sure what to think at the time. just did not feel it was a good vote at that point and trying to sort stuff out the way I do.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #584 (isolation #74) » Sat May 30, 2015 1:38 pm

heh, the vote for sotty and unvote really seems to have bothered you...
the sotty vote was a probing vote...
folks more often suspect me than not, so not sure what to make of someone calling me town, but I am a sucker for it none the less...
been manipulated by such in past, thus the discomfort...
as the vote was a probe and I had nothing going on in my brain that made me want to pursue it further, I unvoted.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #585 (isolation #75) » Sat May 30, 2015 1:41 pm

In post 580, Juls wrote:
4) Why have you jumped on every leading/flash wagon that has popped up?

this is a mislead. I have voted suspects. I had been suspecting Skold but coming back looking things over now, I am not sold.
I had a better feel for scarab as town, didn't get on that. Sometimes I get on a vote, sometimes off, all part of how the game is played. I got no problem jumping on votes as it moves things along.
Sometimes I stay off and observe. It all varies... here I am voting and moving along. the clusk/sns slot has enough suspiscion to put pressure there as not 100% comfortable with things now. I can easily get back to Skold...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #586 (isolation #76) » Sat May 30, 2015 1:46 pm

those are my best answers for now,
it does not look like things will actually move at this point and I will probably have to go back to skold here...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #590 (isolation #77) » Sat May 30, 2015 5:21 pm

In post 588, Sotty7 wrote:Putting pressure on Peace and him showing up right away is making me itch a little. But then what do I expect?

I don't really find his vote and unvote of me to be all that troubling. What I did find questionable is his lack of any effort today.

At this point with no futher extenstions we need to get back on Skold. SnS ain't happening, Peace was the only flash wagon I was semi tempted to join. Lets not kid ourselves.

that is a strange perception. I check it at certain time and react... here, there was some discussion of me and I chose to engage Juls. I certainly could sit back as many are doing.
You point to my lack of effort? What did you actually expect of me? Why are you pointing to my effort level versus say most of the other players in this game. I had my reasons that I started questioning Skold. A run up happened and a competing run up. I was content with the Skold run up. Then folks let it drag right up to deadline. This started making me uncomfortable, I looked things over and am feeling less comfortable. So please Sott, tell me what you expected. And then tell me what about the engagement moved you from a "town" read based on little to the point of making deals with folks, to now me being a flash wagon you would hope on? And then why would you not engage or consider one on SnS, whose effort in this game and this day is far less. It is a very inconsistent statement and inconsistent reasoning there...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #593 (isolation #78) » Sat May 30, 2015 5:37 pm

In post 592, Sotty7 wrote:And Peace, I expected Scum hunting. It's the same thing I expect of everyone. It was my sole reasoning for my town read on day one. You basically stopped until just now. If it is because of laziness, fine, just stop slacking and we'll be fine.

AKA keep posting and don't sit back just because others are.

my vote on Skold was scum hunting. I did forget about this game a bit. This day started off with some prodding, I forgot about the game briefly, came back. I had thoughts in my mind on Skold being suspect he was run up. Folks dragged along, dragged along, dragged along, and dragged along some more. Drag so freaking long that right into deadline with nothing doing. I wanted to hear from skold and see where things went to evaluate, but things just dragged. Yet, you focus, your attention has suddenly come to me. Like I am the reason for this and that there was something I could have done differently. Skold became a top suspect, I had questions and intuition pinging me on the slot. Why don't you call out the majority of the other players in this thread, even those replacing in for crying out loud. Sometimes here it becomes a game of chicken... it is one element that can get me going back to skold and have no problem letting him swing. It is the sit back, don't engage, don't do anything right up till deadline. It is super annoying, but nothing in my bag of skills and things I do to hunt scum would have turned things around and there is certainly enough here to gain some useful information to narrow things down on scum if you ask me...
but hey, I must be a non-engaging scum. He, my prodding of you actually was in this day, imagine that. I thought it was day one. I had to go back and look.
What did you think of the Skold counter wagons, if you want to talk about scum hunting? You had heat building on Juls again and then swapped over to scarab when he bit on it? How about others behaviors? Anyone playing less engaged to you than previous experience?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #594 (isolation #79) » Sat May 30, 2015 5:39 pm

sns is at 4
skold is now at 3...
we have an l-2 and an L-3 situation.
Skold was already at L-1
so Sotty, at the end of the day you know there are 3 votes ready to slam onto Skold vs SNS to prevent SNS lynch and to lynch Skold... that would be might interesting...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #597 (isolation #80) » Sat May 30, 2015 5:46 pm

In post 596, Sotty7 wrote:The point is your effort has increased again. This makes me happy. If I sat here and called all the lurkers out it would be over half the player list. You were the focus because of my deal with Red, that's all.

Your second post I don't understand. You might have to be clearer.

The point of the 2nd post is SNS is the most likely lynch now given the votes. It is now far easier for SNS to swing before deadline than for folks to go back to Skold. It is an interesting vote.
My effort level varies in a game and effort level is not indicative of alignment (see title)...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #598 (isolation #81) » Sat May 30, 2015 5:52 pm

and sotty, you still sold on Skold as scum, since you have been on him most of the day. You have provided little else, other then the effort just now with the engagement with me. What else have you done to scum hunt?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #600 (isolation #82) » Sat May 30, 2015 6:02 pm

In post 599, Sotty7 wrote:Do you have a scum read of me Peace? I'm not really interested in answering such a loaded question really.

no, I am just doing what I do. You want me to scum hunt, this is how I scum hunt. I poke, I prod, I question, I observe. I don't make up blah blah reasons.
You make and inconsistent statement and a narrow accusation. You have repeated yourself on sns... we are at deadline and folks willing to go that way. Your attention on Skold was largely due to inactivity.
FINE you do not want SNS lynched. You have been clear on that.

Vote Skold.

they are now even

PeaceBringer · Post Post #601 (isolation #83) » Sat May 30, 2015 6:05 pm

it is always funny how a question because loaded when the question is reflected back..

PeaceBringer · Post Post #604 (isolation #84) » Sun May 31, 2015 1:05 am

In post 602, Sotty7 wrote:I never asked you that question, I made an observation based on your in thread behavior up until this evening.

I'm down with scum hunting, you just seem a little reactionary now. You're taking it personal that I am questioning your scum hunting and are turning on me as a result. You seemed perfectly fine with me up until then.

I was more than a little reactionary. Question vs observiation is a matter of semantics. You "observed" what you described as a lack of scum hunting yet the same observation can be made. You reached a point where you stated you could flip your read to the point of a flash wagon r/t a deal with another player. So, yeah, I have been in conversation with certain individuals willing to consider. So why wouldn't I get reactionary? Especially when bullshit perspectives are what is spouted

PeaceBringer · Post Post #732 (isolation #85) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:20 pm

In post 694, Zoronos wrote:I'd be aboard the SNS / Green train, but Sotty vouched for him pretty hard yesterday, so without something further I'm skeptical.So, my second choice - VOTE: PeacebringerWhen Juls called him out yesterday on not scumhunting, his response was to dialogue about scum hunting, rather than the get down to the business of actually finding scum. Looked like smoke to me. He hasn't done any substantive digging, imo

please point me to someone who has. My point was that the "case" or statement being made is selective and not based on anything other than such reactions. I hunt for scum in my way-
And I do agree that SNS/GC should be left alone based on sotty's engagement.

But Zoronos, for someone who takes a more observational and deliberate approach to the game, you sure putting weak effort into this game. You dare to point out me not doing any digging, what exactly have you done.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #733 (isolation #86) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:23 pm

In post 716, Green Crayons wrote:I was probably wrong about slotting Zoronos as a scum after a reread. Good to know.

at this post he is actually more engaged...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #734 (isolation #87) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:24 pm

In post 726, Zoronos wrote:I like Peace for scum right now, given information at hand.

based on what?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #735 (isolation #88) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:34 pm

In post 729, Zoronos wrote:
In post 727, Green Crayons wrote:Have you given a Peace-scum case, yet? I thought Peace has been p town this game.

In my chat with him on D1 about his attack on Clusk (who was then SNS, who was then... you?), he deflected and demurred, then town read me with a hedge. An unprompted town read of an accuser is scummy, imo.
He didn't do much to scum hunt D2; no questions, no case advancement. The closest was his engagement with Skold, calling Skold's reasoning dumb. He was right, Skold's reasoning was dumb, but that engagement wasn't alignment indicating, imo, since he didn't seem to lead to an updating of the read.
His deadline handwringing in 554 felt scummy; his vote was already on Skold while he lamented there was no time to go elsewhere.
I've had a hard time following the logic in Peace's posting, and my conclusion is that he's doing a lot of smokescreening / non-content-posting. His end-of-day discussions with Juls at el typify this; lots of talking about how to mafia, little actually find-the-scum. He hasn't been actively sorting town from scum.

What's the town side of it; what's the towny aspect that I'm missing?

ah, so in other words, you have no idea what I do and have preconceived notions which is typical. But let me address you points.
Please point me to deflection and my being demur. I probed the slot for a response, it is what I do. I got a reaction and moved. I did get a sense of you as town. You actually hadn't "accused" me of anything, you probed me. Then you point to D2... it was a long day, so your perception is faulty. I started out engaging, had the whole Juls bit, then I actually forgot about the game. When I got re-engaged in the game we had the scarab and skold run up. Skold showed enough for me to question and saw no need to go elsewhere as folks were dragging and dragging things out. Then checked on where things were at near the end with sotty coming out saying absolutely do not lynch SNS. The truth of the matter is "having a hard time following logic." I am INTUITIVE. I don't necessarily follow logic. So you being the opposite type are going to struggle. Take a look at my games and take a look where I come from https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/i ... me-thread/ (whoda sinkitis). And the funny thing is, you claim I haven't sorted town from scum yet you complained that my early town declaration was scummy...
now please give me facts of things that actually are what scum do, are something scum me way do and why? If you can or you just so bogged down in confirmation bias, or are you looking for an easy lynch? See, anyone can make a case on anyone in the game... oh, sorry more talking about game vs "scum hunting" Go check me out then get back to me or not.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #736 (isolation #89) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:39 pm

In post 654, Kalimar wrote:
Vote Count 2.17

Skold
(6): Sotty7, Albert B. Rampage, Green Crayons, PeaceBringer, BlueBloodedToffee, pisskop

snscompt1
(1): Skold

pisskop
(1): RedCoyote

PeaceBringer
(1): Juls

Not Voting
(2): Equinox, Zoronos

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline
: (expired on 2015-05-31 16:00:00)

so no vote from Zoro and equinox- one disengage until voting me and then equinox replacing in and gotta go in.
I am flipping back and forth now on Zoro as a some of what I considered town can be disengaged hiding. I may have placed expectations that are faulty based on what I think makes him tick. He could be playing a certain game. No sold either one.

GC- now have town based on Sotty
Sotty- town
ABR- no idea... been thinking town
BBT- the stuff from GC has me thinking- feels a lot like last game I played with him... which would make him scum...
pisskop- I had scarab as town yesterday but did have questions before. I probably cannot sort pisskop effectively.
Juls- is town, seen her reaction to me too many times... if she is scum, eh...

A lynch has been reached...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #739 (isolation #90) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:47 pm

vote BBT

PeaceBringer · Post Post #741 (isolation #91) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:21 pm

In post 740, pisskop wrote:My other scumreads are all a little fluffy, but Juls and PB, in that order. :\

oh that is so weak... lol

PeaceBringer · Post Post #743 (isolation #92) » Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:28 pm

In post 742, pisskop wrote:I don't know if I know how to read you yet <3

well, there is that...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #753 (isolation #93) » Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:11 pm

In post 747, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:
In post 739, PeaceBringer wrote:
vote BBT

Why?

you seem like the last time I saw you, and you were, um well, bad

PeaceBringer · Post Post #822 (isolation #94) » Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:27 pm

So I have right now:

BlueBloodedToffee (3): Green Crayons, pisskop, PeaceBringer
pisskop (3): Juls, Albert B. Rampage, BlueBloodedToffee
PeaceBringer (1): Zoronos

Not Voting (3): Sotty7, Equinox

GC town-
pisskop probably town

Juls and ABR concerning...
I don't like your vote BBT but can be self protection
Zoro has been largely uninvolved in the game and now tunneling and parking
EQ- no clue

so BBT you are a good suspect, there are others. I am voting within a suspect pool where this is other traction and you "remind" me. I don't have particular behaviors to identify and when I do that I get it often wrong... right now this is the way looking at stuff...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #861 (isolation #95) » Fri Jun 05, 2015 2:04 pm

Zoronos, you actually got a case with your tunnel, or some observations, or you just going to keep doing the same thing?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #938 (isolation #96) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:22 am

suspects at this point
Zoro
Juls
ABR

PeaceBringer · Post Post #955 (isolation #97) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 4:56 am

In post 942, Juls wrote:Why not pisskop?

slipped my mind, fact is he is not bugging me in this game, so maybe that should alarm me...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #957 (isolation #98) » Tue Jun 09, 2015 5:11 am

In post 955, PeaceBringer wrote:
In post 942, Juls wrote:Why not pisskop?

slipped my mind, fact is he is not bugging me in this game, so maybe that should alarm me...

it is the scarab factor... while scarab rang some alarms initially, based on play I felt that was town. Pisskop not bugging me here though is odd.

PeaceBringer · Post Post #961 (isolation #99) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:26 am

ABR, so Zoro and Equi are town because...?

PeaceBringer · Post Post #968 (isolation #100) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:54 pm

In post 962, pisskop wrote:Equinox is town because he is IC?

I'm not really buying the other two are.

lol, damn replacements..

PeaceBringer · Post Post #969 (isolation #101) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:55 pm

In post 967, Green Crayons wrote:Alrighty, so ABR wants to vote PK.

Which I appreciate, in the sense that ABR actually gave a proto-vote, as opposed to a useless 3-person mafia spec.

@PK:
who do you want to vote?

@Zoro:
who do you want to vote?

@Peace:
who do you want to vote?

@Juls:
who do you want to vote?

One name only.

GC if I figured that out I would be voting... right now tempted to vote zoro...

PeaceBringer · Post Post #970 (isolation #102) » Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:57 pm

In post 966, Equinox wrote:
In post 961, PeaceBringer wrote:ABR, so Zoro and Equi are town because...?

I'm not sure if this is a good thing or a bad thing... After all, the fact that I'm town has been trumpeted all over the place.

I was making a point... a fact that I don't track who replaced who, well... that it what it is...

PeaceBringer · Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:59 pm

In post 993, Zoronos wrote:Because I don't see a way to reduce the game state to anything other than PB vs Zor.
So that means I must find a way to change your mind, and so far my cases just get ignored.

Are ABR and Juls both bussing Pisskop?

well that is down right stupid and dumb ass play...
you have locked in on me and are so locked full of confirmation bias, most likely- don't really know because all you do is say you suspect me and keep with the vote.
If you are truly tunneling town, take me out of the picture and then what...

PeaceBringer · Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:07 pm

In post 1053, Zoronos wrote:
In post 1029, Juls wrote:Zoro, pretend PB is already dead and flipped scum. Who are his partners?

Peace is one. I don't know the other.
That's why I want to lynch Peace. I don't see a world where he's *not* on the scum team. Pisskop I could choose wrong, Peace I don't think I can.
If I have to make a Peace vs ABR choice, I'll do my best to make the right one, but you're asking me to leave what a really high percentage shot sitting on the table over gambling on 'lose the game'.

An this right here is your problem, because I am not scum... and now you reduce it to me or ABR... so exactly why have you cleared anyone else...

PeaceBringer · Thu Jun 11, 2015 2:11 pm

In post 1056, Zoronos wrote:
In post 1026, pisskop wrote:Like why are we going to lynch PB today Zoro?

The stand alone case:
He's done almost nothing except no-reason hop-ons to trains. His scum list is almost entirely people scum reading him. His play has been very reactive (look at his engagements - He says basically nothing when on offensive, posts large quantities and quickly when on defense). He hasn't shown effort to explore / refine his scum reads; He talks at people, not to / with them. Or more frequently doesn't talk to them at all.
When answering cases, he as often as not just turns it into an attack on the caser (check out his reply to Juls' post talking about him on D2).
He doesn't show effort to work with his town reads; he doesn't work to engage and convince. Peace has been town reading your slot since D2. Show me where Peace attempted to engage / dialogue with you.

and none of that is inherently scum... it is just a different way of playing. You have not taken the time to get to know me at all. Did you check the FBG game. Nope. Did you check anything out regarding at all. Nope. You just lock and load. This is typical from folks from here and I am astounded that you come from some other place with only 1 game here and sound like you have been here for years... but hey, go ahead and lynch me and lose then game and then I can point out how stubborn and arrogant you are. I don't show my work or thoughts more often than not. Hell, most people, even here don't or they make shit up. This is actually legitimate thought process. It is week but it at least gets me feeling a tad better about you feeling town.

PeaceBringer · Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:44 pm

In post 1083, Zoronos wrote:I had been using a bad assumption so I chucked it.

Imagine that...

PeaceBringer · Sat Jun 13, 2015 10:32 am

In post 1086, Zoronos wrote:Credibility attacks are scummy.
Play towny and I'll change my mind. Do scummy things like personal attacks, and it just makes it more obvious that my read is right.

It is not an attack on credibility, it is pointing out you are looking at things from flawed preconceptions. I am just trying to break through your stubborn perspective...

PeaceBringer · Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:45 am

stupid