Designer Mafia - GAME OVER!

[Totem]

Well I have reread 2/3 of the posts and

vote: NanookTheWolf

.
Since Fuldu is my role I gave it a bit more thought and believe that it was weak and possibly was strenghtened by the mod with additional investigation power.

unrelated to this

FOS: Narninian

my reread gave me strong scumvibes about him. I will try to say more after I finish it (and get some rest)

Victoria posts very little. It bothers me somehow. Also, Gaspode posts little too.
<yawn>tired. i cannot think in polish and english at the same time. made a bit of good notes in my spreadsheat though. an 1,5 h well spend.

[Norinel]

I'm sure enough Nanook is scum (Between points raised in my previous post, Fuldu, and Fuldu's investigation) that I think that, given the deadline, he's our best option. Also, having a provable/nice-sounding role is half meaningless normally, and double meaningless in this game. The Demoralizer (And Framer, if you made up a pro-town ability to go along with it) are both provable, and I'd not be surprised if (As I said before) some of the mafia's abilities were made from a pro-town role. Vote-doubling may be a part of Nanook's role, which he gave to fellow scum Night 1 but a townie N2 to make it seem pro-town.

[Flying Dutchman]

Vote Count (8 to lynch):

NanookTheWolf: 3

(Totem, Norinel, willows_weep)

Fuldu: 1

(BlueSin)

Victoria: 1

(NanookTheWolf)

Less than 30 hours till deadline.

[bloojay]

It's like a Cult recruiter....Not going to give out the role name incase someone uses it against me. He works separately from the mafia.

[Fuldu]

Ugh, I'm having to be convinced of the validity of my own information. Never a good sign.

revote: NanookTheWolf

[Fuldu]

He hasn't posted much, His claim sounds similar to an anti-town role I made, and he hasn't posted much without a good reason (correct me If I'm wrong).

Well, bloojay, Leo hasn't really claimed anything. I claimed for him to try to verify the lynch of God, which worked out well for us. And if the claim I placed on him is correct (and I'll grant that it may not be), then he does have a good reason for not posting. FrogGurl's result is in conflict with that, and it is unfortunate that you created an evil role that fits his actions, but I don't know that that's sufficient evidence to chase him right now.

[NanookTheWolf]

Fuldu, You keep jumping on and off my bandwagon..MAKE UP YOUR MIND...I've said it before and I'll say it again, I am not scum!...

The reasons why I chose Norinel and Willows Weep if you want the truth is that it was pretty random. Norinel because he is pretty experienced, and Willow pretty much the same. I didn't really know who to clone for those reasons.

Willow: That should say the next night fall, meaning that the clone stays around for the day and won't disappear until the next night comes in.

Fuldu: I am really tempted to change my vote to your name, but seeing how you're a pretty important role I won't OMGUS vote you.

[mneme]

vote: Nanook

for fairly obvious reasons.

[willows_weep]

Im pretty experienced? Hrerm...I have barely even seen the light.
You've seen the players I adore here. They are so cool...

But anyway..

Thanks for clearing that claim issue up.

Your last statement sounds interesting btw.

[FrogGurl]

This whole Nanook thing is just confusing me. So until I can get things sorted out (and it appears that if we hit the deadline he's already lynched given the vote count right now) I'm going to

Vote Victoria

for being so hidden and mouse-like.

[Narninian]

We can easily prove the clone claim - if we find someone we want to lynch (besides Nanook) - we can have willows put the final 2 votes on them.

Totem - why do you think that I am scum?

[Gaspode]

I'm sort of back. Unfortunately, I only had time to read up on Fantasy Mafia and Dr. Seuss, so I'll have to get back to you on this one. Sorry.

[Flying Dutchman]

Deadline set 24 hours later, due to special circumstances.

[Gaspode]

Ok, I'm back, and I have some very important things to say.

Nanook could very well be scum, but his bandwagon worries me. Why? Because Night 1, I received a bit of 100% sure information that Norinel is scum. I won't go into specifics unless you ask me to, but I know he's mafia. That means Nanook has that much less of a chance of being scum. I kept this information to myself yesterday because I thought I might hear of another mafia member last night, and I was pretty sure God was scum anyway. I didn't hear of another mafia member, so I figured today would be a good time to come out.

In addition to this, the following quore is full of bad logic.

More or less copied from my notes, so there's no quotes, just numbers:

Post 24- Willows goes for a quick bandwagon (albeit on an IRL friend)- scum/connection with Nanook?
Post 118- w_w skeptical of a now known to be accurate cop result. (Cops coming out with a guilty result Day 1 is common, at least in games I'm in.)
Post 127- Nanook does much the same, but more waffly.
Post 153- Nanook assumes a standard number of mafia. (It's happened before in games with a nonstandard number of mafia, 2 or 4 in a mini, that the first person to explicitly state something along the lines of "There's probably three mafia" was scum.)

I have some more stuff (Some other players) to look at, but that's what jumped out at me.

The "Post 24" argument isn't very strong, as everyone goes for a quick wagon on Day 1. That point isn't suspicious on its own, but look at the rest.

Being skeptical of a cop result is not suspicious. First of all, mafia often know if a cop's result is true, so they might not take the risk of going against it. Plus, many people are skeptical of cops coming out Day 1, as most cops won't do it. (I didn't come out when I had info.)

Finally, the "Post 153" argument makes a decent point, but it's not very strong. People often assume numbers of mafia. Plus, the way the post was worded, the actual argument is the complete opposite of what actually happened.

So

vote: Norinel

. Questions will most likely be answered around 1:00 AM Saturday (US Eastern), otherwise, during the day.

[Narninian]

ok - 100% accurate is a good percentage for me

VOTE: Norinel

[Norinel]

So we have some source of information that's (To my perspective) paranoid/insane, in use of lying scum, or both. Sigh. Well, can you at least tell us if it was something along the lines of Fuldu's "mental certainity"?

Could Gaspode be scum? Perhaps. The timing of his revelation seems like it could be a scum ploy; reveal close enough to the deadline to push me over or get votes off Nanook. (Not to mention that his question answering time is something like 8-9 hours before deadline)

FOS: Gaspode

as well as

Narninian

for jumping on and commenting on the provability of Nanook's claim after I explained why provability means very little.

I don't see the need for a full claim yet. Let it suffice to say that I'm asking FD if I can claim previous tasks; that should be good enough for one of you. (And please, if you submitted it, say simply that I have your role and that it's a sort of role that'd be less likely to be turned evil.)

[Norinel]

One more thing. Someone's probably going to come along and vote me because I didn't change votes in my last post. I doubt there's enough time to get a lynchwagon on Gaspode in the time we have left, and could view that as another part of a potential timing plot to keep scum below the deadline lynch threshold. Not sure whether or not I should; I haven't been feeling in much of a conscious thought mood lately.

[Narninian]

Gaspode - Norinel - One of you have better do some MAJOR explaining.

Why the FOS on me? Gaspode is claiming to have 100% accurate information - if he's wrong he knows he'll be lynched.

Gaspode - Please PLEASE explain further details of your information.

[Fuldu]

Yeah, barring a really good explanation from Gaspode, I'm happier working with my own "100% certainty" than I am somebody else's. There's a decent chance mine is wrong, but at least I know I actually received that information. My vote stays where it is.

[BlueSin]

vote: Norinel

interesting, gaspode going to pay for that if he is wrong.

[BlueSin]

sorry,

unvote: Fuldu vote: Norinel

[Gaspode]

Alright, I admit I have some major explaining to do.

First of all, my timing was not by choice. If you read the Limited Access thread, you'll see that I was unable to post until Wednesday. Then I got sick. Finally, FD owed me a night choice that I did not get until today, and I didn't want to post without knowing the result of it.

Anyway, my role. Now this may conflict with some minor things I implied in my earlier post--that was to throw scum off my trail if I was able to lynch Norinel without claiming. Anyway, I'm an ADD Cop. Basically, my accuracy goes down by 10% for the following night every time I post (reaching a minimum of 50%). Therefore, I know that the first night's result was 100% accurate, and I found Norinel guilty. I tried to go for another mafia member last night, but found an innocent.

[FrogGurl]

Well, since Gaspode didn't post at all so therefore was fully accurate, that's good enough for me.

Unvote: Victoria, Vote: Norinel

[Totem]

Does Gaspode have the same role as Leo? did anyone submited an evil copycat role?I gon't know what to do. I will check this thread before deadline.

6 1/2 h to deadline

unvote: Nanook vote: Norinel

[Flying Dutchman]

Vote Count (8 to lynch):

Norinel: 5

(Gaspode, Narninian, BlueSin, FrogGurl, Totem)

NanookTheWolf: 4

( Norinel, willows_weep, Fuldu, mneme)

Victoria: 1

(NanookTheWolf)

Because of increasing discussion, I retract the deadline. However, if you make me set another one, it will be unretractable!