Mini 477 - Supersaint Nightless Version 1.0 - Game over!

[JordanA24]

Original Roll String: 1d9

1 9-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

[JordanA24]

Vote: Ojpower

[JordanA24]

Don't worry ojpower, we're only random voting.

Unvote Vote: HazzleQ

[JordanA24]

Why

did

you chance your vote?

It's called "random voting".

Sorry, I don't teach people outside of newbie games. You might want to read the wiki, though. At very least the newbie guide.

Oh ok, so

"

"random voting"

"

is changing your vote every once in a while for no use or reason?? How nice of you to point that out for me.
Oh, haha it was my understanding this

is

a newbie game
Someone gave me a link and told me to post "/in" to get started playing. Maybe I just got fooled :p

Random voting is the first few votes that start the game, after that we're voting for a reason, such as you putting Ojpower at -2 on Page 1. This isn't really a newbie game either, though there does seem to be quite a few newbies in this game.

Anyway:

vote HazzelQ

for dumping too many votes on someone this early and leaving it open for someone to drop the hammer way to early.

it's 6 votes to lynch jimmy, not 5.

Don't we do this bandwagon thingy to get a RC or what?

You wouldn't happen to be from Utopia Temple would you?

[JordanA24]

UT plays mafia? Hah. I played Utopia for a good 5 years or so. I didn't know they had Mafia games...

Yeah, I think it's on the other games forum, or something that's similarly named.

[JordanA24]

That wasn't very nice was it Skruffs.

[JordanA24]

Sorry NAR, that prod was oh so very annoying. I've learnt my lesson now, I'll be good I swear!

Anyway,

Unvote Vote: Mnowax

I don't believe your supersaint claim one teensy little bit, it was way too early to feel genuine.

[JordanA24]

Sorry NAR, that prod was oh so very annoying. I've learnt my lesson now, I'll be good I swear!

Anyway,

Unvote Vote: Mnowax

I don't believe your supersaint claim one teensy little bit, it was way too early to feel genuine.

nice of you to slip in with that vote, when he was at -2.

I think he's scum, so I put him at -1, anything wrong with that?

[JordanA24]

Let's just say that if no-one is willing to hammer Mnowax, I'll do it, that's how confident I am.

[JordanA24]

Hooray!

[JordanA24]

Champagne for all!

[JordanA24]

But the Mafia.

[JordanA24]

Going by yesterday's interactions, I think Hazzle is probably town.

[JordanA24]

Vote: Ojpower

Again, the claim is way too early to be believable IMO. Townies should never claim unless they are at -1 or perhaps even never.

[JordanA24]

Not quite perfectly normal, there's still the supersaints for the scum to worry about.

Besides, the way he insists since he claims townie, he's not scum doesn't sit right with me.

[JordanA24]

Not quite perfectly normal, there's still the supersaints for the scum to worry about.

Besides, the way he insists since he claims townie, he's not scum doesn't sit right with me.

I'm well aware, I'm just saying your logic is flawed.

I wouldn't call it flawed, there's no power roles as such I'll admit, but the scum will still be wary of supersaints.

[JordanA24]

To look more innocent. If he is accused of being scum later in the game, he can use it as a defense "But I hammered one of the scum, why would I do that if I was scum?".

[JordanA24]

Hang on, so you're pretty sure JDodge is scum (I'm presuming the m stands for mega), yet you don't vote him so you can keep your vote Oj since you're "not sure you believe him". That post sounds like you're much more sure that JDodge is scum, but you keep your vote on Oj. That sounds quite a bit like a scum unwilling to vote his scumbuddy, but instead pointing something out to distance himself from his scumbuddy.

Unvote Vote: JDodge
Mega FOS: distad

[JordanA24]

Likewise, if Oj is town, then distad and JDodge is likely scum.

[JordanA24]

m stands for minor, Jordan. Otherwise I would have moved my vote.

Oh, well, I suppose that's believable for a newbie. But m in an FOS usually stands for mega rather than minor.

I really prefer it when people say things like "Mega FOS" rather than things like "FomS", to make things clearer.

Unvote UnFOS, Vote: Ojpower

[JordanA24]

I still don't like the tone and how everything played out. But, also, Jdodge was fishing pretty hard for it. I'm not sure what to make from it. With BM, I'm a little suspicious of Jdodge -- the confident hammer on a FUBAR "scumbuddy"(?) -- aggressively forcing a very early RC that we would almost certainly jump on (and I did).

Too many little things.

I'm not sure I believe oj, so my vote remains; however...

FomS: Jdodge

Besides, Jordan, what part of that says "MEGA" suspicion? The whole time, I'm talking about being a LITTLE suspicious.

The post sounded more major than minor to me.

[JordanA24]

Hmm, never knew that. Fair enough.

[JordanA24]

Oj's townie claim is utterly unbelievable as far as I'm concerned. When distad made that other post, I thought I saw a scum slip, and voted JDodge because I thought, if he was lynched, he'd have provided more information on other people's alignments than a distad lynch. When my reasoning was proved incorrect, I went back to the other person I found scummy.

[JordanA24]

You thought distad was scum. Instead of voting to lynch him, you vote for a JDodge lynch because you say that would provide more information. Call me crazy, but shouldn't we be lynching scum, not lynching to "get more information"? Sounds like scum reasoning to me.

Vote: JordanA24

Did you even read the post where I said distad was scum? How could I have thought that there was a possible scum gambit going on if one of them wasn't scum?

[JordanA24]

Hang on, so you're pretty sure JDodge is scum (I'm presuming the m stands for mega), yet you don't vote him so you can keep your vote Oj since you're "not sure you believe him". That post sounds like you're much more sure that JDodge is scum, but you keep your vote on Oj. That sounds quite a bit like a scum unwilling to vote his scumbuddy, but instead pointing something out to distance himself from his scumbuddy.

Unvote Vote: JDodge
Mega FOS: distad

I would have guessed that the 'm' stood for minor, rather than mega. I would expect a 'mega' FOS to have a capital M.

Yeah sorry about that, lesson learnt.

[JordanA24]

Must be some sort of record.

[JordanA24]

Hang on, have the supersaints go after eachother? What do you mean?

[JordanA24]

(Actually, it's Friday... we can all get hammered!)

I'll drink to that!

I agree that I really didn't like JDodge's suggestion that saints should hammer eachother. Thing is though, is it a scummy idea or just a bad idea?

FOS: JDodge

[JordanA24]

Hmm...This game deserves a reread.

[JordanA24]

Player-by-player analysis time, I'm going to do this one at a time.

1) Battle Mage

: Puts his vote on the mnowax wagon, taking someone elses reason, then tells Jimmy to chill out and says Jimmy's being edgy when he said BM was being hypocritical. Jimmy was right here, and BM tries to put it off by saying he only put mnowax at -3. Big minus points for BM here. How far from a lynch you put him away is not the point, it's that you were voting him for doing the exact same thing as you did.

Then after that, he says this:

Sorry NAR, that prod was oh so very annoying. I've learnt my lesson now, I'll be good I swear!

Anyway, Unvote Vote: Mnowax I don't believe your supersaint claim one teensy little bit, it was way too early to feel genuine.

nice of you to slip in with that vote, when he was at -2.

I think he's scum, so I put him at -1, anything wrong with that?

not atall. just funny that you waited until Hazzel unvoted before doing so. I wonder how confident you are in your convictions?

To be fair, this is a very good observation BUT, considering that mnowax was scum, you seemed pretty jumpy that I put him at -1.

you were voting for HazzelQ, but you were damn quick to switch to Mnowax when he got a big wagon...
Yet you still claim to think that Hazzel is scum. May i ask WHY you switched to Mnowax?
BM

you mean this:
?

Nice work guys
Distad makes a good point about Ojpower, but its not a strong enough tell for a vote atm. I'm more suspicious of Jdodge. No, not for him being so confident in his suspicions (which he does regardless of affiliation), but for his confident hammer of Mnowax. I mean, i thought he was scum, but personally i'm not sure whether i would have been comfortable hammering a claimed SuperSaint on just gut feeling.
I believe his vote had been on Hazzel up to that point, and he didn't really explain the transition of vote. Potential bussing imo.

Vote: Jdodge

You're voting me because you were too much of a wimp to hammer mnowax?

No lol. In case you hadn't noticed, i was one of the first people voting for him. However i am wary of the confidence with which you hammered him, combined with your compromising of your own views-something which i've never seen you do as town.

Where did I compromise my own views?

So he thinks 2 people are scum, he's got his vote on one of them, the other's at -1, would you switch your vote if you're presented the opportunity to lynch someone you're sure is scum?

, I feel that the case presented against JDodge is the strongest. Both for how he played 'yesterday' so confident with his mnowax vote after, but not before, mnowax was under heavy suspicion from others (I belive this was to be able to say "I almost hammered him! Im no scum", just as someone pointed out before). And for being so quick at voting ojpower (his only reason to do this was because he felt ojp posted a weird worded sentence...eh, no, I don't buy that). He's generally throwing out different versions of suspicion in several directions to try to confuse us IMO.

I might be wrong, but as of now:

Vote: JDodge

Anyone saying this has a bad case of selective memory. I also said I was more than happy to drop the hammer on Mnowax and was confident he was scum too and I'm pretty sure at least one other person did. It was pretty clear after his claim that he was scum, so I'm not having this as a valid reason for a vote.

After what's happened, and ojpower eagerness to claim Town - I'm gonna go ahead and

Vote ojpower

until he convinces me otherwise. Nothing he has said so far makes me think he is pro-Town.

Mod

, can we get a vote count please?

there was a votecount 3 posts ago. Ojpower is now at -1, but other than him claiming vanilla, i really can't see why...

Now knowing that ojpower was town, this is plus points in BM's favour, I'd have expected a scum to jump straight on Ojpower, particularly considering how scummy he was.

someone should send NAR a very annoying prod.

Another plus point for BM, here he sounds like he's concerned whether or not the town has got another scum.

I'm going to guess "HE LYNCHED MNOWAX AND OJ HE IZ SCUMM" is going to be the response to this.

yup, that about sums it up.

Vote: Jdodge

Jumps on the JDodge wagon, putting him at -2, scummy behaviour here, espeially since he looked like he was just slipping it in with a small post that can be easily overlooked.

Mass-claiming here, is possibly the dumbest thing we could do!

Hmm... I agree with this, despite the lack of reasoning. I was thinking maybe supersaints don't claim they are so, even if they're going to be lynched, to try and trick the scum into hammering them. If a supersaint claims they are, the scum will know they're telling the truth, and will try to push a town player into hammering them. If a sipersaint claims townie, a scum will think they're safe to hammer, and then they die with the supersaint.

Verdict: I think BM is quite likely to be scum, his early behavior screamed scum to me, though, recently, he's cleaned up a little bit, though my scumdar still tingles. I'll give him an FOS, that may change to a vote as soon as I've analysed everyone.

[JordanA24]

I don't think bringing the possible scum down by 2 isn't really worth the mass claim, and besides, it's pretty WIFOMy, scum might claim townie so they aren't analysed as much.

[JordanA24]

I'm doing my JDodge analysis now.

[JordanA24]

I'm going to push forward my analysis on JDodge, since there's so much pressure on him:

2) JDodge

: First to vote for Hazzel after he put Oj at -2, a small plus point for JDodge there, considering Oj was town.

The he goes missing for 2 days, and comes back with this:

oh, and

No point in changing a random vote if there is no one else to put it on.

Terrible logic.

Couple of problems here, firstly, it's not neccessarily bad logic, at least for the first few pages, if you feel the parson who you had the random vote on is still kinda scummy, and no-one else is looking that scummy, then there's no real point in changing it. Secondly, you seem to be going after this guy quite a bit, I could see scum trying to pressure a newbie town into mistkaes, especially since I'm seing Hazzel is quite town (this may change with the upcoming analysis), but that seems to be what you are doing here.

Then of course he hammered mnowax with a curious amount of certainty, which seemed a lot like bussing to me, and then he posted this:

Vote: ojpower

OJ, then Hazzle.

Ugh, I hated this post. First, absolutely no reasoning, come on, this is a serious game, why those two? Second, Oj was town, third, Hazzle looks like town, fourth, more newb pressure. I'll say it again, I hated that post. Then after that, he pushed Oj into claiming. Why? What's the point in making him claim when he has one vote on him. This series of posts deserves an

FOS

on their own.

Nice work guys
Distad makes a good point about Ojpower, but its not a strong enough tell for a vote atm. I'm more suspicious of Jdodge. No, not for him being so confident in his suspicions (which he does regardless of affiliation), but for his confident hammer of Mnowax. I mean, i thought he was scum, but personally i'm not sure whether i would have been comfortable hammering a claimed SuperSaint on just gut feeling.
I believe his vote had been on Hazzel up to that point, and he didn't really explain the transition of vote. Potential bussing imo.

Vote: Jdodge

You're voting me because you were too much of a wimp to hammer mnowax?

Irrelevent, not just irrelevent, but scummy. Who wouldn't be too much of a wimp to hammer a claimed supersaint, how about someone who knew they weren't a supersaint? And you didn't explain the transition of your vote either, it stank of bussing.

Hazzle could be a mafia as well. Mnowax probably targeted Hazzle to distance himself him. But who knows?

The way that's worded is odd.

You're making a mistake there...

Typical scum...

I can tell you right now that I'm not scum.

More typicaler.

I have no problem claiming, if it will prove to you that I'm not scum. I'm a townie.

Scum desperately trying to prove he's not scum.

IF ojpower is scum, based on the first quote I would deduce that Hazzel is scum. Likewise, if oj is town, Hazzel is likely town.

OK, now you post reasoning for saying Oj and Hazzel are scum, you have plenty of evidence on Oj, but your point on Hazzel:

IF ojpower is scum, based on the first quote I would deduce that Hazzel is scum.

WHAT!? How is that possibly evidence for Hazzle being scum, it's barely evidence for Oj being scum. So Oj said Hazzel could be scum, AND? I could say Hazzel might be scum. Does that automatically make us scumbuddies? You're simply trying your pressuring newbies trick again.

I'm going to guess "HE LYNCHED MNOWAX AND OJ HE IZ SCUMM" is going to be the response to this.

Nice preemptive dismissal of any scum accusations that might come your way. It only makes you look scummier.

That's pretty much what I would have said about that comment. More minus points for JDodge.

Hang on, have the supersaints go after eachother? What do you mean?

Supersaints hammer each other.

As it stands, supersaints do

not

help the town except in chance circumstances.

Alternately you could have the suspicious townies hammer the suspicious supersaints.

Absolute BS, no other way to descibe that. Not only crap, but you're contradicting yourself as well. You say supersaints can hardly help (which is rubbish), and then you immediatly think of a use for supersaints that's hardly chance.

The ridiculous "ZOMG GO AHEAD AND LYNCH ME NOOBZ" post stemmed from the fact that I knew that (reasoning be damned) you were going to go after me for that. We should massclaim.

Yep, and that's why you immediatly tried to shut down anything on this, it's the reasons why you're scummy, so you tried to cover your ass by saying that, and when someone said "JDodge is scummy because of this", you'd immediatly jump on them saying "I knew you'd say that, nice trying to go for the most convenient lynch there". And then you say we should massclaim for no good reason whatsoever.

I'd be willing to do it.

I'd suggest distad or Mexal.

There you go again, saying we should lynch people for no reason whatsoever, in fact someone questioned you on this a bit later on, and you conveniently ignored it. And guess what, Mexal is another newbie.

Verdict: Needless to say, I'm confident enough that JDodge is scum to

Vote: JDodge

right now. I know it's the hammer vote btw.

[JordanA24]

Oh damn, just realised my vote wasn't the hammer.

[JordanA24]

Bye morons.

Wow what a sore loser.

[JordanA24]

Ever read Rule 6 JDodge?

[JordanA24]

That was very poor pro-town play, especially the self-hammer.

[JordanA24]

I think that a posting board is a useful tool for the town.

3) Mexal

:

I'm checking it often but if no one is posting except for random votes, no point in saying something completely random.

Then again, I like random. Anyone else like random?

I found this weird, like a "I'm here and posting" post.

Hazzel - I'm not sure what a RC would do for this game. Everybody could claim "Supersaint" as a warning to prevent a lynch. ie: "Don't lynch me, because I'll kill the hammer!" Since we don't know how many of them are in the game, we'd never know how many are left...

hm, ok. Thank you distad.

So in other words we won't get any hard proof at all, all we have to go on is feeling? This will be a hard one then, for both sides.

Indeed, but it should be fun

Same goes here, I'm not liking it.

The question is, with the claim, will someone drop the hammer and take the chance?

OK, something game related here, but still a bit, meh. But then again, my reading of this is like "Hmm... Is anyone brave enough to hammer a claimed supersaint", almost like he was telling someone to hammer mnowax, which is obviously plus points in Mexal's favour.

That's rather humerous. Guess he'll learn not to make a claim like that on day 1.

Another nothing post, this is starting to get really scummy.

you mean this:
?

Nice work guys
Distad makes a good point about Ojpower, but its not a strong enough tell for a vote atm. I'm more suspicious of Jdodge. No, not for him being so confident in his suspicions (which he does regardless of affiliation), but for his confident hammer of Mnowax. I mean, i thought he was scum, but personally i'm not sure whether i would have been comfortable hammering a claimed SuperSaint on just gut feeling.
I believe his vote had been on Hazzel up to that point, and he didn't really explain the transition of vote. Potential bussing imo.
Vote: Jdodge

You're voting me because you were too much of a wimp to hammer mnowax?

No lol. In case you hadn't noticed, i was one of the first people voting for him. However i am wary of the confidence with which you hammered him, combined with your compromising of your own views-something which i've never seen you do as town.

Why would he, as a scum, sacrifice one of his own on Day 1?

A newbie question here, it's game related, but STILL nothing of real substance.

Then of course we had the quick hammer of Oj:

Vote: Ojpower

I don't like the claim. It is way too early for that and it doesn't make any sense. On top of that, I don't like the fact that he didn't vote for mnowax, who turned out to be scum.

There was a lot of good discussion before this, the hammer stifled it completely, and his "On top of that" reason was weak and WIFOMy, and of course, mnowax turned out to be town.

I like it when it's quick I'm around far too much for it to take 7 days for one lynch.

This is a quite an odd comment, like he's trying to cover "in case" the lynch turns out to be town. But then again, he's a newbie, and might have thought that lynches aren't supposed to take very long. I think this can be forgiven.

Pulsewidth has a very convenient way of showing up after situations take place. I don't like the fact that he's incredibly active during the days leading up to the lynches but when it comes to throwing a vote or making a stand, he disappears. It looks like his goal is to lead someone in a direction, make some posts, throw out some ideas then hide until it's all over. It makes me suspicious that on two lynches, he has avoided both. Albeit the second one was quick, but even still. He seems to be around an awefully lot until someone gets to -1.

Plus points for you here, I agree 100% with this observation, and the same can also be said for the last lynch as well, though he was on that lynch, but of course, that was on a townie, though I suppose he was a very poor townie. But still,

FOS: Pulsewidth

, my next analysis is on you. I also like the fact he's now posting some content as well.

Yikes. Looks like I missed a lynching.

Why are you so concerned about that?

And then he says we need to be less hasty to avoid another quicklynch, but he criticizes me for not partipating in the first two quicklynches?

I'll just touch on this while I have a moment.

I criticized you because you disappeared when it was time to make a lynch. After the 2nd lynch, which we got wrong, I wanted to take our time and find a scum. Is there anything wrong with suggesting we take our time after we got one wrong? No.

What I find even more interesting is the fact you avoided the mnowax lynch, then when you do start a lynch train, it happens to be on someone who's innocent. So you don't participate in a scum lynch, but you do participate in a townie lynch. Which townie is next for you? Me?

X

Minus points for you Mexal, guilty of hypocrisy, you missed the point in your reply, and instead tried to turn the story so he's scum, hoping people pick up on that and conveniently ignore you.

Conclusion: Don't know what to make of this guy. He says he can't post that much that often because of work, that's OK, but his early posts had no game-related content, which can't really be put down to work. If you have nothing to say, don't say say anything. Later in the game, he posts content, and good content as well. But he negated it somewhat by the last post I mentioned, which was very scummy imo. My stance on him so far is neutral.

[JordanA24]

Minus points for you Mexal, guilty of hypocrisy, you missed the point in your reply, and instead tried to turn the story so he's scum, hoping people pick up on that and conveniently ignore you.

Well, I don't really understand. Why exactly would I want to draw attention to myself? Why wouldn't if I have suspicions of someone, try to make my point and see if someone else sees what I see? I'm really confused what I really did wrong there. I understand that I dropped the hammer on ojpower so maybe that's where the hypocrisy comes in? If so, then I fully admit it. I'll recede that point to you.

No, my point on hypocrisy is that Pulsewidth was right, you were saying we shouldn't rush any more lynches, since they aren't good for the town, and yet you call Pulse scummy for not participating in the quicklynches. In your reply, you didn't answer this and instead try to make Pulse seem like scum, and you seemed pretty sure of it too ("Which townie is next for you, me?")

[JordanA24]

OK guys, sorry I was away, I was busy over the past few days, and didn't have much access, ironically enough, I was just making one of those analysis' on Hazzle, but got lynched while I was making it. Again sorry.

[JordanA24]

Hmm, judging by HazzleQ's posts, I'm going to say Mexal probably isn't our last scum.

[JordanA24]

To do list:

PbP of Pulsewidth

PbP of Jimmy

[JordanA24]

Sorry again, I've been rather busy recently, and this game fell to near the bottom of my watch list as well, so I sort of forgot about this game. Anyway, on with the analysis.

4) Pulsewidth: No content till Page 3, then asks Mnowax for a reason for his vote, which was on Hazzle, a couple of plus points here.

After the Mnowax lynch,

JDodge, you seem pretty confident about your vote on ojpower and, from post 90, I take it you think Hazzle is scum too. Reasons?

Again, seems to be genuinely scumhunting here, a couple more plus points.

FoS: JDodge

I also don't like how JDodge tried to get a claim so early, and how he came right out of the gates on Day 2 with a vote on ojpower with no reason or explanation whatsoever. Totally avoided my question, post #95, as well.

Why not vote, it's nowhere else, and if I had a case like that against someone, I'd certainly vote.

JDodge, 3 of the 4 reasons you listed occurred AFTER you put a vote on ojpower. So basically you're saying that the reason you initially put a vote on him was because of an oddly worded statement?

Why the unvote Jordan? Your voting has been pretty erratic recently. You voted for ojpower, then voted for JDodge, and then put a vote right back on ojpower. Either you can't make up your mind, or you're a wagon-jumper.

FoS: JordanA24]

Still no votes, and sticking with FOS's, despite even more evidence against JDodge. This is starting to make me uneasy.

You thought distad was scum. Instead of voting to lynch him, you vote for a JDodge lynch because you say that would provide more information. Call me crazy, but shouldn't we be lynching scum, not lynching to "get more information"? Sounds like scum reasoning to me.

Vote: JordanA24

OK, finally a vote, for flawed reasoning, though it looked like a genuine mistake to me. Next post, he unvotes, though he says he is still suspicious of me. Fair enough, still looking like real scumhunting, though he does seem to be going after pro-town a lot.

Damn, that's twice I've come back the next day to find someone lynched. Not happy with the quicklynch at all.

I'm going to guess "HE LYNCHED MNOWAX AND OJ HE IZ SCUMM" is going to be the response to this.

Nice preemptive dismissal of any scum accusations that might come your way. It only makes you look scummier.

Quick look back over the entire thread, and my top two suspects are JDodge and Mexal. JDodge for starting the wagon against oj based on basically nothing; asks ojpower to claim which was totally unnecessary at this point; and now the above statement that he made. His hammer of mnowax really means nothing, because he was SOL right before JDodge made the hammer anyways, so it mainly benefits scum in that case to lay the hammer on one of their own to get the credit (and use said credit as momentum going into Day 2; notice how JDodge came out blazing with a vote on ojpower). It didn't help that ojpower reacted the way he did, but he was a newbie, and newbies don't always react well to pressure (something I'm sure JDodge was counting on). Once JDodge got the claim, it was pretty much over for ojpower. Nicely done, JDodge.

Mexal: Has hardly contributed anything of substance (seriously, go back and look at all of his posts). Then he hammers ojpower because of the aformentioned claim(obvious reason), he didn't vote for mnowax (irrelevant reason; I didn't vote for him either for reasons listed above), and finally because apparently the lynch wasn't going quick enough for him?? Wow.

Vote: JDodge

Again, he's going after either confirmed or likely town, though, JDodge did play very poorly, and he did have some fair points on Mexal, but still, him constantly going after town is quite suspicious.

The only thing you have on me is that I made oj claim, and I would actually suggest a massclaim as it will only help.

A massclaim would only muddy the waters, and you know it. I honestly can't believe you are fishing for another claim. Do you take us for fools sir?

OK, I liked this post a lot, I agree, a massclaim in this sort of game is a teriible idea, and would only aid the scum.

Pulse, game theory is going to be what this game comes down to.

Either grow some damn backbone and do what I did day 1 or we discuss game theory so that people who are afraid to put their own neck on the line don't have to.

I AM NOT, WHATSOEVER, SUGGESTING THAT WE HAMMER PEOPLE SOLELY ON CLAIMS. That is complete and utter bullshit.

Supersaints do not help the town because they are likely to kill town with them.

Thusly claimed saints should kill each other.

This is what I am talking about. Yes, I am aware that you promoted other variations on the massclaim based on scumminess levels. It still doesn't change the above statement. Massclaim is a bad idea you are continuing to promote. I think you are scum. I will not remove my vote until I am convinced otherwise.

I'd suggest distad or Mexal.

Why those two?

OK, this post feels quite town to me as well, this time, he's questioning why someone's pressuring 2 quite likely townies. And also, the way he words the "I will not remove my vote" bit rubs me as being a very townie thing to say.

Well, that chart proves one thing. Mexal is still the primary lurker in this game, and really only showed up when he was being scrutinized. I still don't like the quick hammer he threw on ojpower. He keeps using the non-vote on mnowax as a justifiable reason to suspect people as scum. And then he says we need to be less hasty to avoid another quicklynch, but he criticizes me for not partipating in the first two quicklynches?

HazzelQ, while a newbie, has been too wishy-washy with his votes and just seems to parrot other people's observations as justifications for his votes instead of coming up with his own reasoning. I can't tell if this is newbscum behavior or just newbie behavior.

BM has done much of the same as Mexal; showing up every now and then to throw in little one-liners, with the occasional exception. It's interesting to note that he was already going after JDodge on Day 2, and this particular contradiction is telling:

I don't really believe the claim, and

i'm happy enough for somebody to hammer.

The above quote was in reference to mnowax's claim. Later on, when he's going after JDodge:

I mean, i thought he was scum, but personally i'm not sure whether i would have been comfortable hammering a claimed SuperSaint on just gut feeling.

However i am wary of the confidence with which you hammered him

You were happy enough for someone to hammer, but you then you critcize JDodge for his hammer on mnowax? Inconsistent.

Distad, I think it's far too hasty to come out voting so soon after yet another mislynch. This game has been moving a little too fast. We got lucky with mnowax, but our quickness on the last two lynches has set us back. I don't think it's wise to continue that trend.

This post strikes me as being quite scummy, he takes up 2 lines which is easy to overlook to describe Hazzle, who is confirmed scum, while giving Mexal and BM (likely town) lots of analysis in his post. And at the end of his short Hazzle analysis, he gives quite an ambiguous verdict on him, while criticising him for being wishy-washy.

Also, MOD, has HazzelQ been prodded? It's been a while since he's posted anything.

Asks for a scumprod, town points for you.

Plus points for you here, I agree 100% with this observation, and the same can also be said for the last lynch as well, though he was on that lynch, but of course, that was on a townie, though I suppose he was a very poor townie. But still, FOS: Pulsewidth, my next analysis is on you. I also like the fact he's now posting some content as well.

I admit that I wasn't very active for the first several days. I was mainly trying to get a feel for the situation, ask a couple of questions when I was confused about a player's actions or words and that's it. Mexal says that I had a goal of leading someone into a direction, but I don't really see how I did that for the first two lynches. I asked mnowax about his vote, and then I queried JDodge on why he was so sure about ojpower; I also made a mistake with you Jordan, but I reversed my vote quickly once I saw that I had misread. And that pretty much sums up my activity for the first two lynches. Not as active as I should have been, but it did go by rather quickly. As for JDodge, he was the first person who was really scummy to me, and I listed the reasons why I voted for him.

Having said all that, here are my feelings on everyone so far:

HazzelQ: As I stated before, hasn't really contributed anything and justifies his votes by parroting other people's reasons.

Mexal: I pretty much agree with Jordan's analysis, but I'm glad to see he's posting more content now. I'm getting more town vibes from him than before. But he does have a overly-defensive reflex that I don't like: examples include the "Which townie is next?" comment, and the "I guess in the end, this wasn't helpful and should be fodder for you guys to attack me with." comment.

Battle Mage: Hard to say. He does post a lot of one-liners that don't amount to much. The fact that he didn't jump in on the ojpower lynch makes me think he might be town though. I'd like to see more content and analysis from him.

JordanA24: I've gone through the whole game, and nothing scummy stands out to me with this guy. Seems very pro-town.

Jimmy R: He put ojpower at -1 and apparently didn't know what the votecount was; scummy. That also made it the 3rd time I think that he had made a mistake with the votecount; seems very careless to me. This post also seemed off to me:

Would also like to know why JDodge is suggesting Distad or Mexal...

not that I'm against that idea as such, just wondering why those two. Would be very interesting to see JDodge drop the next hammer.

Note that he says he's not against the idea of a distad or mexal lynch and is interested to see JDodge drop the hammer on someone. Now a lot of us suspected JDodge of being scum, including myself, but now knowing that JDodge was town, this puts the above statement in a new light (ideal scum strategy being to let town hammer each other instead of scum). He did end up hammering JDodge though. Hard to say.

distad: Has been very active, very helpful, but nevertheless, I am starting to get some scum vibes off of him after reading all of his posts. Some things that jump out at me:

1. His agreement with JDodge on the massclaim idea. He follows this up with a suggestion that JDodge hammer the "scummiest" saint or townie. This plan would require a massclaim, and I'm a little unnverved that he would suggest this as a plausible idea: knowing now that JDodge is town, it would be ideal for a scum to suggest that a townie hammer someone "scummy" as a way of finding scum. And he's still dangling the massclaim idea out there.

I'm curious if we'll ever hit a saint.

I totally understand what everyone is saying about the massclaim. I still am curious about it, though. Part of me wants to know how many saints are out there (or at least how many would claim saint).

2. He has started/jumped on a lot of wagons. Granted, he's had good reasons, but it is something to note. After two mislynches, he's come out throwing votes around. Possibly trying to start another wagon?

More town points here, out of the 3 he marks as potential scum, 2 of them are either confirmed, or likely to be the last one imo, scum.

HazzelQ - More of the same from you. Yes, we know you are new to this type of mafia. You explained all of that the very first day. How about some actual analysis for a change?

Pushing scum to get out of the shadows and get posting, more town points for you.

Mega FoS

HazzelQ - Once again, you are WAY too quick to agree with someone and use that as a reason to put a vote on somebody. You ask Mexal for an explanation in post 318, then presumably you saw distad's post afterwards, so in your very next post you put a vote on Mexal without waiting to hear an explanation from him.

Very NICE detective/analysis work distad! I am impressed by your memory/persistent reading work! (unlike my own it seems)

Give me a friggin' break dude. This praise is way over the top (hell, it almost reads as sarcasm) and is a pretty crappy cover for putting a vote on someone when, minutes ago, you were fine with waiting for an explanation.

You're Mega FOS'ing rather than voting again, surely if someone's suspicious enough to get a Major FOS, then they're suspicious enough to get a vote. Considering Hazzle was scum, that looked pretty scummy.

Fair enough distad. I understand why someone would find my absence on the scum lynches suspicious. Perhaps I was being *too* cautious and not decisive enough with my vote prior to the HazzelQ lynch. Noted for future play.

This goes some way to explain why you're being conservative with your votes, but I'm still uneasy about it.

Now for some question answering time:

I know this was way back on Day 2, but what in particular made you think that Hazzle was town?

Now I know this is going to look very scummy for me, but I honestly do not know what I was thinking when I posted that. I think I was thinking something in conjunction with "Well, Mnowax put him at -2", but reading back, I honestly can't remember what I was thinking when I said that. I'm very sorry about that.

Verdict

: I thought before doing this, that Pulse and someone else were in direct competition for being the last scum, due to all the others having some strong point or other in their favour to suggest otherwise. But now, after rereading, I think Pulse is also likely town, and that leaves only one person in my mind that is likely to be the last remaining scum.

Vote: JimmyR

[JordanA24]

*Goes for a lie down*

[JordanA24]

Imo, Distad has looked very town throughout the game, both his posts and his actions say that to me, as does his Jimmy vote. Mexal was heavily pressured by Hazzle throughout much of the game, and BM was very early on both scumwagons.

[JordanA24]

Well hang on, why is doing that so bad, by process of elimination, I have come to the conclusion that Jimmy is the last scum. No-one else seems to fit.

Mexal- Hazzle went after him for ages

BM- Early on both scumwagons

Distad- Has looked very town all game

Pulsewidth- After the Pbp, he was pretty anti-Hazzle a lot of the time.

Jordan- Well, I know I'm not scum. I can't prove it, and any Pbp's by me on me would obviously be biased.

[JordanA24]

My reasons for voting for Jordan are similar to his for voting for me, except I've examined everybody not just a couple of people and he comes off as the most likely to be scum.

Erm, I think I might have examined everybody. In fact, I've examined people MORE than you, I haven't seen you make any Pbp's.

[JordanA24]

Woo! Well done fellow townies.

Bad luck BM, I thought you had a fair shot at winning this (He told me he was the last scum on AIM after I was lynched).

Sorry for my sucky play on Day 5 town.

[JordanA24]

^ Stoofer's 3rd Law