I agree. >50% mafia doesn't take into account Vigs & SKs. The Mafia win condition should be:mneme wrote: I think "total victory -- or nothing can prevent same" is the only good answer. the "50% mafia" or ">50% mafia" rules are really an attempt to encapsulate "nothing can prevent same" in numbers.
You win when Mafia members are the only survivors, or when nothing can prevent the same.
Well, since it's 2v2, there cannot possibly be a lynch. In that situation, it would move straight into night, and the night choices would decide the game.Thesp wrote:But do you think the mafiasomestrangeflea wrote:I agree. >50% mafia doesn't take into account Vigs & SKs. The Mafia win condition should be:mneme wrote: I think "total victory -- or nothing can prevent same" is the only good answer. the "50% mafia" or ">50% mafia" rules are really an attempt to encapsulate "nothing can prevent same" in numbers.You win when Mafia members are the only survivors, or when nothing can prevent the same.shouldwin if it's 2 mafia against a vig and doc only going into Day?
Yeah, but we're talking about Open Games, remember? Chances are the scum would know this anyway.Kelly Chen wrote:It occurs to me that with this win condition, as long as the game has not been called, the scum know the town has some way to thwart them. I'm not sure what they could do with that info, but it seems inappropriate.
Whether or not the game ends at =>50% Mafia could become setup dependant, with some Open Games automatically killing the game at =>50% Mafia, and others playing right to the end.Thesp wrote:Yes. There's even some game-historical precedent to the concept that once the mafia reach half of the living players in the game, they come out and openly slaughter everyone left. All games I run feature this aspect - even if the town could theoretically do something at night, they won't make it there.mneme wrote:No, I don't. Do you?Thesp wrote:But do you think the mafia should win if it's 2 mafia against a vig and doc only going into Day?
Hmm... I think the classic method should be standard, simply because that's the way everyone's used to! The other variant can have a fancy name, like "Town Catch-Up" or something...Thesp wrote:Which should be standard, though? It will make it easier if we determine one way to be standard, and others to be variant thereof for ease of reference.somestrangeflea wrote:Whether or not the game ends at =>50% Mafia could become setup dependant, with some Open Games automatically killing the game at =>50% Mafia, and others playing right to the end.Thesp wrote:Yes. There's even some game-historical precedent to the concept that once the mafia reach half of the living players in the game, they come out and openly slaughter everyone left. All games I run feature this aspect - even if the town could theoretically do something at night, they won't make it there.mneme wrote:No, I don't. Do you?Thesp wrote:But do you think the mafia should win if it's 2 mafia against a vig and doc only going into Day?