Mini 473: Urban Dead Mafia! Barhah! (Over)

[Oman]

First things first, we have zeds (of course) who got Jack, and an SK or night-vig(?) that got schismatized.

Second things...umm...second:

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

for threatening to NK me in the "Mafia questions" thread, obviously NK ability and obviously not going through with it

[Oman]

Awesome, how many people actually play UD here? I just started a week or two ago.

[Oman]

Anyway the Zodiac is there at night, and he was not the cop: so he might be one of those nightkillers, which makes me happy with my random vote.

How did you know where he was? Unless your a tracker or something? Sorry I just didn't get it.

[Oman]

Ah a joke. I get jokes!

[Oman]

Sure is, sorry I made you do it. But you have to admit, the net is hard for humour.

[Oman]

Also just realised, my third game, and my third game with Gatorguy...Jesus.

[Oman]

Aha! SCUM! We've caught you now Gatorguy, you zombie thing.

Or possibly not.

Also

Unvote Vote: Puffin

Because my name happens to be shared with that of a country that SOOOO kicks Yemen's arse.

You hear a message over the radio. Don't ask how the radio got there...

poffinpuffin - 2 - Oman, camisade
Zodiac - 2 - Hjallti, darko
Gatorguy91 - 2 - Gatorguy91, Claus
Sir Tornado - 1 - Albert B. Rampage
Albert B. Rampage - 1 - SirTornado
Oman - 1 - poffinpuffin

Still swaying - 2 - Zodiac

[Oman]

Unvote Vote: Gatorguy

I chose him as he's the only one with two on, now has three. Lets get some discussion going.

[Oman]

Any reason its still there Puffin? Or is there just nowhere better for it?

[Oman]

Ah okay, I was just checking that you didn't want me to explain anything I've said or done to you.

[Oman]

I think they're done at the top of each page so if everyone posted more i kid.

[Oman]

Yes but it doesn't take into account this page.

[Oman]

No i'm not, not at all. I was merely saying why Hjallti would want a count. I didn't realise that he thought it was made by me.

Blue italics are modnotes.

I hope we are not in the random afterwards

I'm trying to get us out, beleive me, I put Gator at -3 with no response from anyone on it.

[Oman]

Bloody hell. GATOR HAS 3 VOTES! CAN WE TALK ABOUT THIS!!!!!

I put the third vote on Gator! "Oh no that's scummy!" Quick, everyone post something relating to my status so that I can go through it with a fine tooth comb and lynch some scum!

If it deadlines, we really don't want a No Lynch (if less then 2/3 are voting).

[Oman]

By Zombie spy himself, I assume you mean Gator.

Gator, don't make me lynch you.

[Oman]

OMGUS Vote Oman

OMGUS on the third page, dude, you've got three of six on you! Do you not have anything better to say about yourself.

My vote was to get talk, but it stands now, this looks scummy.

[Oman]

Voting without a reason this far into it is scummy too, in my book.

[Oman]

YAY consistence!

Okay, you voted me for jumping at shadows. Well, my only defence would be that we have nothing in the game yet, so shadows is all I can jump at. Voting without a reason, and in fact, with no other content. Doesn't look good to me. I'd like it explained.

The fact that Gator came on and OMGUS-ed me with three on was a bit strange. I expected something of substance.

Claus, I don't think you're scum right now. I think that you're trying to get some conversation going, and I'd like to welcome you to my group

[Oman]

EBWOP: The voting without reason was Camisade's, not refering to your vote on me Clause.

[Oman]

Gator has time to post in Mish Mash with me, but not enough to defend against votes in here.

Jesus!

Mod, buddy

Can we do something about this?

[Oman]

Confirm vote Gator

[Oman]

are you sure Gator's bad logic is worth a vote?
I personally think it's more worth a "Gator your logic sucks"

The vote was for his absolute lack of defence. I don't think his logic is bad, scum are more likely to lurk then actively post content (without WIFOM...please).

[Oman]

Darko is getting a bit oversensitive to this issue. I agree there was no "fire" to throw said coal on.

It doesn't look good with Albert putting his vote on straight after he is asked to, though the "plenty of time" excuse is plausible.

I feel like I'm being laughed at

You are here. But here:

But at least I understand you better.

I think you're being hit on

This little bit of discussion has been good, but unfortunatly I don't have anything really scummy to look at.

Unvote: Gator

No need for big discussiony votes any more

Claus, you still voting me?

[Oman]

The only thing I have found of interest so far is Oman having to remind town something like 3 times that he had put Gator on -3 to get them comment on that.

Aint it crazy! No time atm to do anything else sorry.

[Oman]

Unvote

I still haven't got a definate feel on anyone yet, but its certainly getting better.

[Oman]

I find it interesting that Camisade was so determined to draw attention with his single vote when I was trying to get 3 or 4 on Gator to start discussion...AND CAMISADE'S WORKED!

[Oman]

I didn't like the way he was swayed to vote when you pressured, but his explaination worked with me.

I doubt its two mafias. Different modes of death and also the way Urban Dead works (i.e. all the zeds are one team). I'm putting money on SK only because I don't like the idea that a vig took a wild shot.

Then again, either are possible. To go off UD, I'd say its a vig...or a PKing SK. Not sure as of yet.

[Oman]

Yeah, to hit other towns.

[Oman]

I recon you could be...huge ods, but could be.

[Oman]

We need to kick this on again

Vote: Camisade

I don't like some of his answers, see Claus' response for my general feeling.

[Oman]

Kill: Camisade

[Oman]

Yeah, Claus picked up that I was trying to get some sort of reaction out of that to get the game moving.

[Oman]

Try it...anything will help.

[Oman]

WELL MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN

FFS

[Oman]

I'm here and don't need to get prodded. Just nothing's happening.

This is what it was in response to. People not posting because people aren't posting.

You know, the scum aren't just going to post scummy things off their own bat. No-ones afraid of getting lynched cause there aren't more then 5 people doing anything.

[Oman]

Finally something good!

Sir Tornado

*reading and not posting is lurking. There were 3 discussions already and you didn't join them really the excuse that you can't START discussions is rather strange

I agree with this, hadn't noticed it myself.

Oman
*strange "3 random votes, we should explain"

I don't understand this, what are you refering too.

I don't see why gator had to defend but Oman keeps pushing

NOONE WAS TALKING, at all! I just wanted something. I even said "I put the third vote on Gator! "Oh no that's scummy!" Quick, everyone post something relating to my status so that I can go through it with a fine tooth comb". How is that scummy in any way? I just wanted talk.

*at post 99 he buddies up with Claus wagons and doesn't explain himself. These 3 things look scummy to me

I didn't bother to explain myself cause Claus and I had the same basic thought,

Camisade, I could believe that your vote was to draw discussion. But why unvote then? If you are still unsure on who is scummy, it tells me that the discussion was not enough yet.

If a vote is for discussion, why take it off before it achieves its purpose. I think he wanted the vote on but as soon as he came under fire he removes it (scumtell!).

So, I want to vote: Oman to make clear his on top of my scumlist.

Noted. Its nice to be popular in

some

way

[Oman]

Oh right, no they were just to get conversation. I didn't specificially want Gator to respond. I actually say can "WE" talk about this. As in, everyone in the game. Its just...slow and lurky, compared to my previous and current games.

[Oman]

Hjallit, its illogical to think that a game can just grind to a standstill and everyone looks the other way. Yes, I am damn impatient, becuase noone was posting or doing anything.

[Oman]

Copying Claus' defence? No...look at the posts, how can you get any feel BUT impatience and frustration out of that.

I want to know what you thought I was feeling in those posts.

[Oman]

Re-read your 90. Missed it first time. I appologise.

[Oman]

I got the fact that he was self-voting as a joke (and I did miss that other one ), but I was just frustrated and bored.

[Oman]

I would have much prefered you agreed with Puffin's analysis, would have given us somewhere to go.

I do not believe Darko's analysis, of Puffin's analysis not being genuine, to be genuine.

Unvote Vote: Darko

[Oman]

I don't like Darko, he posts one line judgments without any analysis.

[Oman]

This is the slowest game I'm in. I can't believe he can't keep up.

Regardless.

[Oman]

Hi.
I'm Dylan.
What's up?
I've been huntin' for scum. (hunting > looking )
What's your favourite way to get lynched? I'm thinking Hang, Draw, Quarter.

Sincerly, Oman.

I would like to make note that I actually read your whole thing and got about two points out of it:
A) "I don't know what tells you've picked up on, so let me know and I'll explain them away."
B) "Don't vote me, meanies!"

[Oman]

whoa...if that gets fixed (;))thats L-1.

I'm gonna think over whether thats best at this time.

Unvote

[Oman]

don't get why poppinpuffin or Albert B. Rampage don't bother to vote for camisade if you're going to criticize him. What's so great about your current vote that makes you want to keep it?

Seems like he wants to start a wagon here, pretty fierce onto people for NOT voting.

If you don't agree with me, that's alright though.

"I'm not forcing you or anything...unless you want me too."

I find Hiallti's analysis to be genuine.

When Hjallti is hitting me.

My personal favourite:

Um can you say scum buddies?vote: darko

I do not find poppinpuffin's analysis to be genuine

I like camisade. I don't like Albert.

Along with

But right now I see people voting me because you don't like me.

You do NOT look good to me darko

I've thought long enough. L-1 is just the place for you.

Vote: Darko

[Oman]

Posted as I was writing:

people start voting darko for it, which basically means you vote of on playstyle rather then on suspicion.... I didn't see a scumtell from darko (unless buddying and distancing, but he does it as if it is second nature, so I would rather think that is playstyle as well).

I see plenty of scumtells (relative to the activity of game) in darko. See my above post.

Since I want to see what happens next I will unvote but oman, I still have my eye on you.

Likewise on you Hjallti, lets make a club!

[Oman]

One example:

I find Hiallti's analysis to be genuine.

When Hjallti is hitting me.

This is OMGUS if you call this a scumtell, it looks to me as if you say: 'Hjallti made a case against me (hitting I find a strange wording if it is truthful* (as in I believe it) analysis) darko agrees so darko is scum.

You need to look in contrast, when the hit isn't on him he agrees wholeheartedly. Contrast it with saying that whoever think he's scummy is lieing. Its a context thing

About the eye. Its not OMGUS in a pure form. Its like "I'm town, scum might try to get me lynched, but town might try it as well, so I'm aware of the possibility that you are scum here." I look at anyone who looks at me, its only fair, but I wouldn't call it OMGUS.

[Oman]

Hjallti: Chasing you is not scummy in itself. I merely have a policy "To watch all players who attack confirmed townies" Unfortunatly, I am the only one who is confirmed (to me) thus, I watch you. Its just a "neibourhood watch" thing I guess. Don't take it personally, I (right now) think you're town, and I like your playstyle. Although if Darko comes up scum, well you'll have a lot of 'splaining to do IMO.

Do I think the scumtells are valid, I didn't before his large blah blah post.

Now I wouldn't mind seeing him hanged.

I've seen scum use that "too early for a lynch" excuse before, but even 8 pages can be enough to find the next one.

[Oman]

Thats a lynch....bah, twilight.

I would have liked to hear a claim I didn't really want a doc or vig offed D1 (especially since an SK or vig killed our cop). Ah well, we'll see soon enough.

[Oman]

I agree with Camisade that overly-defensive is a scum-tell, but the way darko did it, I wouldn't call it defence at all. It was schoolgirl whinging. That last post you quoted Camisade was a useless attempt at...I don't even know what. He said: "I no longer feel motivated" which means he wouldn't have been any help in scumcatching anyway. The guy was a lead weight, the question is "Did he mean to be?"

[Oman]

No we don't you can talk during twighlight until death scene, right?

[Oman]

Oops, this game is different to most I play:

[6] Votes and Unvotes must be in Bold, or else I won't count them. Vote counts will come at the top of each page. A majority is needed to lynch, and you may vote No Lynch. After the lynching vote has been cast, stop all game-related conversation.

Sorry Smashy!

[Oman]

Firstly...Smashy loses 10 points for that pun

Secondly...Bah! Go DEM...I mean Townies!!!

[Oman]

Mod edit:Calm it down there, Oman.

[Oman]

Modedit: I know how you feel but save it for the aftergame <_<

[Oman]

Albert played quite well.

Gah I feel dirty.

I was sure pulse was scum, and zodiac was an SK(?)

[Oman]

Why did you scum kill me N2

[Oman]

...You bastard. Lol, doesn't matter, I wouldn't have caught Albert.

[Oman]

Wow. My first comment would be: random choices always hurt the town (such as losing the cop). I suggest you send in kills from now

[Oman]

I can't really say what I would have done (with all this knowledge) except that I would have voted who I thought was the scummiest, and Hjallti was definatly toping that list. Whether I would've been able to get you lynched is different, you defended well.

And to Claus I'd say no. Doc's are wonderful roles, but they are mostly there to protect information roles, and possibly stop NKs (but very rarely) you were more helpful to the town as a voter and a voice than as a doc.

Also remember, if you're quiet, any scum worth his salt will be pawing through your minimal posts looking for tells and will probably NK you for being lurky (and therefore likely powerrole) anyway. Also, it could draw suspicion from town, requiring claim, and meaning you're outed anyway.