Mini 473: Urban Dead Mafia! Barhah! (Over)

[poppinpuffin]

vote: Oman

because Yemen is better.

[poppinpuffin]

Indeed ^

I did vote for Oman.

[poppinpuffin]

"it" being my vote?

My reason for it's being there is that I like my random vote, and I in general don't change it until I either:

1) have a reason to take it off you (aka getting away from a bandwagon or because discussion is heating up)
or
2) have a reason to bestow it upon someone else

[poppinpuffin]

nope

[poppinpuffin]

but to my eye, the Mod fixed the mistake already... no?

[poppinpuffin]

Yes but it doesn't take into account this page.

being a little demanding of the Mod aren't we?

[poppinpuffin]

Unvote

Vote: Hjallti

what's this^ ?

[poppinpuffin]

are you sure Gator's bad logic is worth a vote?
I personally think it's more worth a "Gator your logic sucks"

[poppinpuffin]

I don't get why poppinpuffin or Albert B. Rampage don't bother to vote for camisade if you're going to criticize him. What's so great about your current vote that makes you want to keep it? Sounds like those two don't hvae the best reasons for their votes right now but might be "attacking" a mafia partner.

unvote, vote: camisade

Criticize ? That's a big overstatement, I just said I didn't understand the reason behind his irregular behavior. But why not.

Unvote, vote camisade

I gave camisade plenty time to explain, but he fails to even show up in the thread.

Why vote because other people tell you to.
Like I said before, I don't vote because I question something, I vote because I think someone is scummy. I don't throw around my only weapon against the scum just because people disagree with me. I think it would be wise for others to do so as well.

[poppinpuffin]

I don't get why poppinpuffin or Albert B. Rampage don't bother to vote for camisade if you're going to criticize him. What's so great about your current vote that makes you want to keep it? Sounds like those two don't hvae the best reasons for their votes right now but might be "attacking" a mafia partner.

unvote, vote: camisade

Criticize ? That's a big overstatement, I just said I didn't understand the reason behind his irregular behavior. But why not.

Unvote, vote camisade

I gave camisade plenty time to explain, but he fails to even show up in the thread.

Why vote because other people tell you to.
Like I said before, I don't vote because I question something, I vote because I think someone is scummy. I don't throw around my only weapon against the scum just because people disagree with me. I think it would be wise for others to do so as well.

You are misleading other players. I was going to place my vote on camisade regardless of darko. If anything, darko may have discouraged me to vote him a little. In the same post I vote, I explain that it was because I was waiting on an explanation that never came.

you voted camisade because he didnt respond quickly enough?
if I interpreted this wrong, please re-explain for me.

*splice*

[poppinpuffin]

I'm thinking that although I don't agree with Oman's technique, he is not looking particularly scummy at this time. He doesn't look innocent either, and seeing as certain people are starting to catch my eye, I am going to go ahead and

unvote

I would vocalize my concerns, but I have a feeling that at this stage of the game, that it would only put players on guard instead of rooting out scum. As soon as I have more than intuition to back up my opinions, Ill let everyone who's interested know with a vote, or something of the sort.

[poppinpuffin]

I like camisade. I don't like Albert.

unvote, vote: Albert B. Rampage

I know this is sarcasm, but what do you think is so scummy about albert?
other than the fact that nobody seems to like him much

[poppinpuffin]

Don't be sad, we all pay attention to you too...

[poppinpuffin]

Only scum go on vacations.

[poppinpuffin]

you're pretty much always scum.
you defeat odds like that.

[poppinpuffin]

Just to clear up, the post by TSQ was me.
Because shea's computer faked me out by pretending to log on as me.



Will post when I get back from work.
Sorry to not be as active lately, I've been working doubles all week.
I will make up for it tonight, promise

[poppinpuffin]

I find Hiallti's analysis to be genuine.

Um can you say scum buddies?

vote: darko

[poppinpuffin]

Darko, I don't dislike you at all

In fact, I dont think I know you.

Hi.
I'm becca.
What's up?
I've been looking for scum.
See any lately?
Sincerely,
bee

[poppinpuffin]

I'm sad to see Oman go, and I'm a bit suspicious of Hjaltti defending Darko so intensely, but not enough to point a FoS at her yet.

Agreed.
Suspicious, but not so suspicious as to warrant anything other than keeping a wary eye on Hjaltti.

This game was in Night forrrrevvvvvveerrrrrrrrrr.

[poppinpuffin]

But, yeah, it is a moot point today. So let's see something else from you:

Sorry, I am just getting annoyed when nothing happens. The only thing to get from day 1 so far is darko being stupid and a succesfull lynch. We are down to 7 now. Probably some 3 or 4 town. From the lynches a SK and scum, and maybe another neutral (jester, surviver)

This bothers me to no end. Day 1 was not just Darko acting up and we lynching scum: We had Camisade's little silent vote on you. Guess who was the first to jump on her due to that vote?

I may indeed just be misunderstanding what you are saying here, but I don't see how the things you are saying lead to the opinion that Hjallti is scum. You may feel that we didn't just get lucky with Darko making careless mistakes with the blah blah post to top them off, but that we indeed used wit and logic to thwart the scum masterminds, but how does that have anything to do with Hjallti being scum.
I'm not defending Hjallti at the moment, rather looking at your shaky accusations as a way to quickly spin off a successful (or in your case perhaps not successful) lynch and lead the town to another very quick lynch, which is rarely if ever in our best interests.

FoS Claus

Too bad too, cause I was agreeing with your thoughts a while back...

If I have merely misinterpreted your opinions, please clarify.

[poppinpuffin]

Yes, I'm voting Hjallti because he conveniently forgot to add the first few brouhahas in day one. The message I got from him was "Finding out that darko is scum gives us no new info, so forget about it folks".

It felt to me that he wanted to sush conversation about what happened yesterday, so the only link between he and Darko was his defense, which is justifiable. Well, I would like comments on this second link I think I have found - darko quickly voting Camisade for her silent vote on hjallti, followed by him cheering Albert and Poppingpuffing to join his bandwagon.

Plausible....

I'll sleep on that idea.

[poppinpuffin]

Hey guys I'm in the middle of my move and won't have internet in the new house until some time in the future. I will not need to be replaced, but am just letting you know that I can only post at other people's hijacked computers.

[poppinpuffin]

My internet is still not up at my new house.
Will be posting sporadically for the next 24 hours or so until my dad fixes it.

[poppinpuffin]

(internet works now.)

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As for my decision, I was debating whether or not to vote for camisade. I was pleased with Hjallti's response to my criticisms, so I was looking elsewhere. ABR posted a good case against camisade, but I like to hear responses first before I make votes, because sometimes scum slip up or don't defend themselves very well. After camisade's response, well, still not sure. I'm gonna have to do reread and maybe something will stand out. Zodiac then comes out and does something blatantly scummy. There is a possibility that Zodiac is just a townie playing badly, but I need a better explanation from her before I remove my vote.

Agree that Hjallti seems to have reacted well... I'm still more suspicious of Hjallti than of most other players here, but unless something changes my mind, I dont think Hjallti is the play for today.

Zodiac then comes out and does something blatantly scummy. There is a possibility that Zodiac is just a townie playing badly, but I need a better explanation from her before I remove my vote.

Which post or which series of posts are you referring to here?

[poppinpuffin]

PoppinPuffin, are you back for good?

What did you think of my hjallti Analysis, after sleeping on it? Did it give you a sore shoulder?
What do you think on the ABR-Camisade-Darko trio?

Regarding Zodiac, she only has two posts today. On the first one, she accuses Hjallti after being accused by her, and on the second one, she throws some more mud on Hjallti, and votes her. Just pick the last two Zodiac posts.

1. Yes I am back for good. Am moving to college in a few days, so may be a blip coming up, but shouldnt be a problem.

2. I tentatively agree with you about Hjallti...

3. I don't like the way albert is playing, which may be because I have a gut feeling he is scum or because I just don't like his playstyle. I see logic in your "trio" but am reticent to vote albert as of yet. I'm feeling camisade as the play for today, but I think that more should be said both from and about Zodiac before that happens. I agree that it's more sporadic and inattentive play more than scum play, but I would like to see that change, not just acknowledged. I have a feeling that perhaps if Zodiac were scum, she'd be paying more close attention to this game... but that is kind of crap logic. Its just my gut, and wanted to put it out there.

[poppinpuffin]

lol, Claus I think I'm putting my thoughts into your mouth.
My apologies.

Let's see well I shall address this now instead of later then:

I really don't like Albert's accusatory style, because it isn't consistent. He says a whole lot of nothing and then accuses people. I'm sure he's trying to get a rise out of people, but it would be a whole lot easier for me to believe he's on our side if he were more consistently aggressive or more consistently conservative. Not that this really warrants anything more than a mention at this point.

Also.
I really can't say I feel strongly about Camisade being scum. I know several people are very loud in their accusations of darko-cam pairing, I just don't see that much substance behind it. Might be the best we've got to go on for now though. Can I ask who thinks Camisade needs a vote and who thinks Camisade needs to be lynched?

[poppinpuffin]

COLLEGE MOVE IN DAY!
will post when I have my new computer.

[poppinpuffin]

Just got internet access in my dorm, will post tonight after a few stiff drinks.

Sorry everyone.

[poppinpuffin]

Look. Rather than posting to tell us you're going to post (which you've done harsh 3 or 4 times now) why don't you actually wait till you have the time, and just post? Right now it looks to me like you're just lurking in plain sight (or whatever the terminology is).

You know.
Moving all my shit from my old house to my new house and then again from my new house to my dorm room. I'm sorry that I dont have the time in between packing and driving 4 1/2 hours to Buffalo to make a post in a mafia game. I like to be as polite as possible to let my fellow gamers know the nature of my absence, as to alert them that I am not blowing them off, rather having an actual life.
I won't apologize for that.
Next time I won't tell you why I dont post for a few days, if you prefer.

[poppinpuffin]

And doesn’t it make sense that scum would be pro-lynch, i.e. trying to lynch?

Absolutely not. This makes me even more sure that you are scum. The town's only surefire method of fighting scum is to lynch. If we don't lynch, scum gets an advantage. I really hate how you are trying to confuse the town with huge posts where half consists of agreeing with my accusations of you, and the other half with false claims and misdirection.

Confirm vote d3sisted

QFT

FoS d3sisted

[poppinpuffin]

Which would you rather?
Me tell you when my internet is down or when I'm moving....
Or ask to be replaced?
Because I didn't have much of a choice.
Sorry to get on your nerves... It wasn't intentional.

[poppinpuffin]

D3:

I can understand not wanting to talk about your "predecessor"s faults and scumminess, however I must say that the distancing yourself from him makes you look really bad. why would you distance yourself? Because camisde looks like scum. The problem with this is that you ARE camisade. Not the you who might talk to me in scumchat, but your identity in this game is, effectually, identical to camisade's regardless of how well he played (or how you play). Furthermore, by doing this, I think you are admitting that you agree in some sense that camisade wasn't acting pro town.

Although I understand not wanting to defend someone else, I don't think you get the fact that YOU ARE that someone else. You live the legacy, fair or not. I wanted to believe you are protown, but you never actually made me feel that way.

If there's no response, I'm going to hammer and get this over with.[/ooc]

[poppinpuffin]

by not posting, you're risking a mislynch.... if you are indeed town.

[poppinpuffin]

how about a defense?
are you going to give up?

[poppinpuffin]

Wow.

So in response to pressure, you decide to say "screw you all" and mess up Smashy's game? Way to be a dick. This is a game of mafia. Nobody is supposed to trust anyone. So forgive me if I don't trust you. I guess the rudeness that you showed in being a jerk to me about something that didn't have any bearing on the game really carries on to your actual personality. Why did you replace into the game if you were only going to get pissed off that your identity was under pressure? Maybe next time read the game before replacing and think about if you actually want to play. I hate people like you.

What the fuck ever.

[poppinpuffin]

I am NAWT a valley girl. Everything else is so true.

Vote: D3

All the joy is gone from this hammer.
For that... I will never forgive you.

[poppinpuffin]

No this game is not messed up!
It's just sad that some people feel they need to go out in disgrace rather than just play the game.

[poppinpuffin]

Responding to prod - was away for the long weekend.


Pulsewidth
I find it interesting that you bring up these concerns at this point in the game rather than when they happened, or soon after. Now perhaps you were saving accusations until later when you thought too many of them had added up, but I think there were several points in the game where we had nothing to talk about... or rather we couldn't say anything more about what people had done. Why didn't you attack me then, and get some conversation going? This to me seems rather suspicious.

Poppinpuffin:

Agree that Hjallti seems to have reacted well... I'm still more suspicious of Hjallti than of most other players here, but unless something changes my mind, I dont think Hjallti is the play for today.

Why point out to everyone that you are more suspicious of Hjallti than almost everyone else? Seems like distancing.

I don't think saying I'm more suspicious of Hjallti than anyone else is distancing. I think it's exactly the same as saying "you're at the top of my list" or anything of the like. And it's kind of ridiculous if you would agree that being suspicious of someone is distancing. I think that distancing is being suspicious of someone just to go along with the crowd, or when scum preemptively distances before their buddy has actually done anything scummy.

[poppinpuffin]

I really can't say I feel strongly about Camisade being scum. I know several people are very loud in their accusations of darko-cam pairing, I just don't see that much substance behind it. Might be the best we've got to go on for now though.

Can I ask who thinks Camisade needs a vote and who thinks Camisade needs to be lynched?

I don't like this question. Why are you asking people whether camisade needs a vote or needs to be lynched? You should be using your own deductions to determine that. This gives me a feel of scum testing the waters to see if it's safe to throw a vote out there.

Right, forgot to address this one.
I use my votes differently from some people in that I really only vote people if I want them dead. I find that heavy duty pressuring early on especially, leads to more mislynches and mistakes than I'm willing to be responsible for. I see its place in the game, but I don't like to take part. Be that as it may, I was hoping to find out who really wanted camisade dead and who was just pressuring at the time, seeing as we have been having a lot of trouble getting conversation going (myself included in the blame. *shame on me *). In retrospect I can see why that looks odd, but it's more important to get people's reactions out (which other townzpeoples can use later at endgame) than to keep yourself from putting your neck out there. Finding scum is more important than looking the most innocent of all people in the game.

[poppinpuffin]

pulsewidth... I thought you think that I'm scum.
why wouldn't you be voting me now instead of no lynch?

[poppinpuffin]

Vote: zodiac

D i e s c u m .

[poppinpuffin]

You know why I'm voting you Zodiac.
We should not be no lynching today.
If we need to boost activity or something to find scum, then we need to do that.
This is not a situation in which to no lynch.
Nonononoooooo.

[poppinpuffin]

Zodiac why are you pushing for no lynch if you dont know who the scum is?
If you dont know the scum and you HAVE to kill then then why would you want to throw yourself into night earlier when you (allegedly) don't know who the scum is and still have to kill (so it will be random as you say?)

You should be pushing to TALK MORE or something!

This is so bogus.

[poppinpuffin]

what if its town and sk left on the last day?

[poppinpuffin]

who will your target be tonight if I unvote?

[poppinpuffin]

unvote, vote: nolynch

[poppinpuffin]

they would if they thought about the worst case and best case scenarios.
I don't get a pro-town vibe, but if you die and you're not scum or SK then I will really have screwed over the endgame.

I'm allowed to change my mind yo.

[poppinpuffin]

nice playing with you all ><

[poppinpuffin]

I am inclined to agree that Albert pwnd.
good job mafia.


I've got a lot to learn