New Normal Guidelines - April 2017 update!

[Bicephalous Bob]

why the ninja

trackers don't need any tampering and it doesn't excuse giving town a watcher

[Bicephalous Bob]

Not a role, but I think the double day mechanic is Normal now, which would play nicely with multiple killing factions.

[Bicephalous Bob]

Gunsmith is pretty close.

Also, the point of Normalcy is that it doesn't push for any progress itself, but instead more or less neutrally reflects the conventional site meta, right? There are enough roles that would make Normal games more interesting (percentageless Faith Healers), but that doesn't mean they'll get implemented before people use them in their own games.

[Bicephalous Bob]

I made the public Gun list because there are only a few roles whose gun ownership status is questionable, and allowing it to change from game to game only leads to confusion.

As far as I can find, exactly two motion detectors have been used in completed games on this site, and both of them are in games that are over 5 years old. I don't really have a problem with them being normal now, but I don't think that that's an accurate reflection of site meta at all.

Huh, I should start making a case for a percentageless Faith Healer then.

[Bicephalous Bob]

got any other loopholes you want us to close?

I don't get this reaction at all. It sounds like BB used a role in a way you don't consider Normal. Then, instead of making him change the setup, you let him run the setup and blanket-banned the role.

Example of a scum vig setup I'd consider normal:

double day

2 mafia goons
1 mafia vig

1 cop
1 tracker
1 doc
7 VTs

[Bicephalous Bob]

It's more that we used molla's setup to test something we were wary of.

Ah, that makes more sense. What happened in molla's game that made you decide that scum vigs shouldn't be normal? Was a vig claim assumed to be confirmed town?

[Bicephalous Bob]

Even then, I'd argue that the non-normal part of the game was that there were only two scum in the game. I don't think anyone would assume the vig to be town in the setup I posted.

[Bicephalous Bob]

how is my example broken

[Bicephalous Bob]

that's a bit pessimistic

an early scum death will probably result in an early massclaim after which it shouldn't be too hard to figure the setup out

[Bicephalous Bob]

no one else will claim the kill so getting tracked is pretty irrelevant