New York 180 (Endgame)

[SilverWolf]

As for VF, lynching him because his unique claim feels unbelievable isn't good enough reason. What if he is what he claims, and we've just shot ourselves in the foot?

What do we do if he's not what he claims?

[FA_Q2]

I think vikingfan is a town cop and telling the truth, but I am okay with his death and will probably hammer him if he reaches L-1.

Finally, you have literally NO GROUND WHATSOEVER to accuse me of anything when you are openly posting this.

Was this meant to be posted in the Scum QT or something?

While her post is scummy as fuck, I dont think it was actually meant for the scum QT:

I think vikingfan is a town cop and telling the truth,

but

I am okay with his death and will probably hammer him if he reaches L-1.

She would not have used the term 'but' with her scum buddies nor said she was okay with his death rather than advocating for it. It reads as though she is hesitant with his lynch rather than seeking it.


TBH, this looks like she is setting up to defend VF this day and getting ready to hammer him to cover the fact that she is his scum buddy. After a scum flip on viking, ellie is the next player on my scum list. Her play has been scummy to me for awhile this statement just screams scum.

Add to that the fact that she flat out refuses to expound upon it when asked. Scummy as hell.

pedit: @wake when the hell is lying about a role claim not a good reason to lynch? The case for VF's claim to be a lie is pretty damning. You are damn well aware of the use of fake claiming considering you do it all the time as scum. This statement makes me question your alignment as well.

[MathBlade]

Ah thanks

[Cheetory6]

This week is nuts for me so I'm gonna be playing catch-up whenever I have time.

ABR's retracted claim is pretty ridiculous and ABR strikes me as the kind of person that might go for a high stakes bait as scum trying to bait counterclaims on a role which could be shrugged off as there being two of. With nobody biting it seems like he may have realized that he couldn't actually back it up down the road. I also feel like the timing of a hardpush on a copclaim looks really nasty with his retracted claim on top of that.

@ABR

, is there something I'm missing in your push for viking beyond weird claimstuff? With ika's clarification it doesn't really help us one way or the other, but I really don't know why we'd want to be pursuing this right now.
If a cop dies sometime down the line or gets a guilty on someone, then we'll know that it's probably fake. It also seems unlikely that scum would want to risk leaving a claimed cop alive if he is lying now that the roleblocker is dead.

VOTE: ABR

P-Edit:

Why would he. Cheeto has tunneled the crap out of me without a real case since the game started. I am simply his go-to vote.

He has barely bothered to play the game at all.

The way you're being dismissive of me, saying that I'm barely bothering to play the game while not even trying to interact with me feels like you're trying to discredit me. I posted a case on D1 and I admit it wasn't extensive but it was at least enough that for you to pull the "oh he's not trying to push me at all" card is pretty bullshit. Especially since I didn't 'tunnel' you as you're claiming. I've been busy, but fuck if this doesn't feel like an intentional misrep.

Can people please look at his ISO? I would 100% be down for an FA lynch if the momentum was there.

Case I outlined is in 801 and I can flesh it out when I have more time this weekend.

[Cheetory6]

Also what's the clear town meta on ABR?
I get that him being ridiculous is normal, but to be against a case on ABR because he's usually abrasive is very surface level analysis of the situation as a whole IMO unless I'm missing something.

[Cheetory6]

Also, if people can ask me things or tell me to look at things that would be great for when I look at this game more in-depth this weekend.

I've gotta go study now. zzzz.

[Wake1]

As for VF, lynching him because his unique claim feels unbelievable isn't good enough reason. What if he is what he claims, and we've just shot ourselves in the foot?

What do we do if he's not what he claims?

Burn it with fire. If memory serves we lost an investigative role last Night. If another one exists, or something close, it might be wise to check him.

pedit: @wake when the hell is lying about a role claim not a good reason to lynch? The case for VF's claim to be a lie is pretty damning. You are damn well aware of the use of

fake claiming considering you do it all the time as scum

. This statement makes me question your alignment as well.

WOAH.

Wait a minute.

Let's back it up a bit.

Do we know that VF lied? Did VF make a claim, then said he lied, and then said he had a different role?

And, more importantly, since when is the bolded true? I don't care for fake-claiming, so if I am Scum and a wagon's on me and intent is voiced I simply claim Doc/Tracker/VT, or however I feel at the moment depending on the situation. I don't do it all the time as Scum, either. I don't recall doing so.

Hrm...

[SilverWolf]

As for VF, lynching him because his unique claim feels unbelievable isn't good enough reason. What if he is what he claims, and we've just shot ourselves in the foot?

What do we do if he's not what he claims?

Burn it with fire. If memory serves we lost an investigative role last Night. If another one exists, or something close, it might be wise to check him.

Nope, we lost a doc and the mafia RBer died as well.

[Wake1]

OK.

So if we have a Cop it's still alive.

It should investigate vikingfan.

Does anyone know if someone claimed Cop already?

If so, judging by the fact that person isn't dead, maybe the dead Doc protected that Cop player, and could mean we're looking at 3 killing factions. The unique part of vf's claim rings a bit with that sentiment.

[FA_Q2]

?

We have one claimed cop - VF. Are you drunk wake?

And no, outing the real cop with results on VF is not a good use of the cop powers...

[SilverWolf]

OK.

So if we have a Cop it's still alive.

It should investigate vikingfan.

Does anyone know if someone claimed Cop already?

If so, judging by the fact that person isn't dead, maybe the dead Doc protected that Cop player, and could mean we're looking at 3 killing factions. The unique part of vf's claim rings a bit with that sentiment.

vf claimed he was told he was attacked and protected, ever heard of this before?

He's the only one who claimed cop so far. He said he got no result last night.

[Ellie]

vikingfan, where else do you play mafia?

Still want an answer to this

[Nobody Special]

?

We have one claimed cop - VF. Are you drunk wake?

And no, outing the real cop with results on VF is not a good use of the cop powers...

We have one claimed cop who, according to Normal guidelines, is almost certainly lying.

Who lies? Scum. Scum lies.

Confirm Vote: vikingfan

[Ellie]

Do you think ika absolutely follows Normal Guidelines?

[SilverWolf]

Do you think ika absolutely follows Normal Guidelines?

Don't all Normal games have to follow the guidelines?

[Nobody Special]

The game had to pass the Normal Review Group.

[Wake1]

OK.

So if we have a Cop it's still alive.

It should investigate vikingfan.

Does anyone know if someone claimed Cop already?

If so, judging by the fact that person isn't dead, maybe the dead Doc protected that Cop player, and could mean we're looking at 3 killing factions. The unique part of vf's claim rings a bit with that sentiment.

vf claimed he was told he was attacked and protected, ever heard of this before?

He's the only one who claimed cop so far. He said he got no result last night.

Those unique slots can also include mechanics.

This includes original ones not in the wiki.

Let's think on this for a minute. Why would VF, if Scum, go through the trouble of making an incredibly dubious-sounding claim when he could go the easy route? Do you remember when I claimed Sensor and how everyone reacted in spite of my honesty? Let's not forget the lessons of the past so quickly (I often tell this to myself).

The guy who claimed Doc, sans the RB and our Doc, may be killed Day 2. That much is obvious.

[Ellie]

Guidelines is the key word. The rule about doc targets not being told is not a rule, according to what ika quoted earlier.

[Wake1]

Modifiers.

[Ellie]

Reviewers: ITT Regfan, mastin2 and Cogito Ergo Sum

Hm.

[SilverWolf]

OK.

So if we have a Cop it's still alive.

It should investigate vikingfan.

Does anyone know if someone claimed Cop already?

If so, judging by the fact that person isn't dead, maybe the dead Doc protected that Cop player, and could mean we're looking at 3 killing factions. The unique part of vf's claim rings a bit with that sentiment.

vf claimed he was told he was attacked and protected, ever heard of this before?

He's the only one who claimed cop so far. He said he got no result last night.

Those unique slots can also include mechanics.

This includes original ones not in the wiki.

Let's think on this for a minute. Why would VF, if Scum, go through the trouble of making an incredibly dubious-sounding claim when he could go the easy route? Do you remember when I claimed Sensor and how everyone reacted in spite of my honesty? Let's not forget the lessons of the past so quickly (I often tell this to myself).

The guy who claimed Doc, sans the RB and our Doc, may be killed Day 2. That much is obvious.

No one claimed doc. Boon crumbed it. He was killed. No one else has claimed doc.

[Ellie]

Let's think on this for a minute. Why would VF, if Scum, go through the trouble of making an incredibly dubious-sounding claim when he could go the easy route? Do you remember when I claimed Sensor and how everyone reacted in spite of my honesty? Let's not forget the lessons of the past so quickly (I often tell this to myself).

The argument is that he believed doc targets were usually informed on MS, and made his fake claim based on that wrong assumption.

[MathBlade]

@Wake -- Normal game wiki link
http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrTHQY ... IQL9Bwzj4-

Says nothing about unique slots.

Please share yours?

[Wake1]

There is something called the 'Loud' modifier that I plan on using in the future.

There are at least three other variations like it. Sort of like Voyeur, Watcher, Tracker, Follower, Reporter, there's also something vaguely similar when it comes to modifiers.

'Loud' makes it so that when you perform a Night action on someone, that person becomes aware that the specific action was performed on him or her, but they won't know who.

[goodmorning]

I doubt every single role is nonconsecutive, by the by.

Troll approved

I'm being serious. If anyone was clever enough to think about it for five seconds they'd understand why.

On another note, NY178 had some Odd-Even, a Fibbonaci or Prime or some such, and some full roles, and NY167 had a full Gunsmith and an Even Gunsmith, and those are just ones I've been involved in. It's not unusual for mixed modifiers to happen.

CAN WE NOT ASSOCIATIVES BEFORE FLIPS

IT IS DAY FUCKING TWO

KTHX

p-edit: Well if anyone from the NRG was going to approve something weird...