New York 180 (Endgame)

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: wake

Cause it never gets old

[dragonspawn]

Currently sick, but it won't stop me from being here. Whatsup?

not much. Trying to stir up the mob to lynch wake.

[dragonspawn]

All the cool kids are doing it.

#include <mafiascumplayers.h>

void IsPlayerCool(MSPlayer Player){
----if(Player.getSocialStatus()=="cool") printf(Player.getName() + " is really cool!");
----else printf(Player.getName() + " is worth being voted for.");
}

int main(){
----MSPlayer Cheetory6;
----MSPlayer SilverWolf;
----Cheetory6.setSocialStatus("cool");
----SilverWolf.setSocialStatus("D1 lynch");
----isPlayerCool(Cheetory6);
----isPlayerCool(SilverWolf);
----return 0;
}

Output:

Cheetory6 is really cool!
SilverWolf is worth being voted for.

Ok C. If you insist.
VOTE: SilverWolf
Someone let me know if I missed any bugs.

you totally took the cool out of voting with that program.

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: SilverWolf

Good news, guys! I

totally

rolled town this game.

Also, I'm on V/LA until Tuesday. Boo procrastination, boo homework.

and that just makes me think you didn't roll town.

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: Wake

Cause Bandwagons are cool.

unvote

cause I'm not that cool

[dragonspawn]

I don't like this kitz bastard.

Anyone who sounds like a candy bar cannot be trusted.

Cool, someone fired a shot by calling me a bastard.
I don't want to be associated with the crime of sounding like a candy bar for no reason, let alone by a guy who sound half asleep.

How can we trust a guy that sound half asleep, mhhh~?

by waking him up.

[dragonspawn]

This game's is too polite

I'm sure the mob will be stirred up soon enough

[dragonspawn]

Town. As in a mob of people trying to lynch someone.

we just need to get passionate and find a target

[dragonspawn]

I don't particularly like being told what to do

[dragonspawn]

Vote: pisskop

What made you vote pisskop here?

does he need a reason in random vote?

[dragonspawn]

Good morning town *rubs eyes sleepily*

vote dragon

for voting wake .

Let's nail this guy for buddying me.

Yet, you don't vote for him. Why?

Because we got, what, 13 days? So, yeah, I'm not sure how paranoid you're feelin', but when I said "hey, let's nail this guy for buddying me," it means "hey, let's vote this guy off for buddying me in one post." Day's over folks. We've all made up our minds about vikingfan. Board up your house and say a prayer VF, 'cause we're coming for ya.

Well, no. I'm just stirring up reactions and discussion to see what happens. Little stuff here and there. Of course, I could just take a siesta and wait for something worthwhile to discuss pop up. Hrm, that sounds good right about now, considering I've been caring for brain-damaged people all day long. *Is bitching*

I don't really feel like voting for him right now, though I do wanna see a wagon on him form. Kinda like when you drop a plump goldfish into a piranha tank and sit back with a bag of candied almonds and scotch. I'm thinking you're smart and will lap up my heartfelt suggestion and see to it that VF meets his ultimate demise today. I mean, he really is a dastardly fellow who deserves all the scorn he gets from this point on. In fact, I might not even have to vote him, and let the rest of my Town minions do my work for me.

Wake-Why don't you want to vote? All the cool kids are doing it.

But I DO want to vote. Honestly I do, I do!

...but on

my

terms.

This reads purely like an attempt to elicit a reaction from me, so no thank you, not going there.

I can get on board with a TSO wagon since he's obviously lurking

unvote

VOTE: tso

And yet you reacted.

VOTE: viking[\v]

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: viking

[dragonspawn]

Ok. Let's generate discussion

@Everyone: what's the biggest flaw in your towngame? Your scumgame?

I get lynched

[dragonspawn]

I mean, I guess that's a pretty big flaw

Yep. I tend to pass people off. I think it's my charming personality.

[dragonspawn]

I just only draw town, always, all the time, so you should assume as such

That makes me think it's the opposite. Especially when you are buddying wolf right after she says she is susceptible

[dragonspawn]

Wake, I am nodding but as this is an internet game, you probably can't see which way I'm nodding. But yes.

[dragonspawn]

Wake-Don't you know who dragonspawn is?

He has been busy. He prob forgot.

[dragonspawn]

This playerlist is the opposite of suck. Let's keep it that way.

So the playerlist is blow?

Was looking through your post above. I agree on 74, 80, and 81

[dragonspawn]

I like my vote. Silver's all like "look at me guys I'm proactive" and I'm all like "bish ur so fakn it gg get wrekd".
Elusive seems town.

I like the vibes from this game thus far. Might make being in too many games at once less of a pain.

Hi SilverWolf! Your posts are looking especially lovely today.

What makes her posts look lovely?

Let's nail this guy for buddying me.

At least buy him dinner first. Jeeze.

you totally took the cool out of voting with that program.

for(int i=0;i<4;i++){
--printf("you make me sad and I hate your guts\n");
}

Output:

"you make me sad and I hate your guts"
"you make me sad and I hate your guts"
"you make me sad and I hate your guts"
"you make me sad and I hate your guts"

@Everyone: what's the biggest flaw in your towngame? Your scumgame?

Town - I get mad.
Scum - I pretend to get mad.

Weird fact: I usually draw Scum when I have the flu.

Is your V/LA actually secretly flu-related?

Like I said earlier, I tend to piss people off. This is one example.

Wolf is town. She's easy to read.

[dragonspawn]

Like I said earlier, I tend to piss people off. This is one example.

Wolf is town. She's easy to read.

You sure she's not emulating?

She's got more than a few games under her belt, yanno.

Eh possibly but she is not good at lying.

[dragonspawn]

What would you be expecting from scumSilver right now?

More lurking. Awkward posting.

[dragonspawn]

Weird fact: I usually draw Scum when I have the flu.

Is your V/LA actually secretly flu-related?

No it's really the computer. Mechanical, not viral.

SW's Town, btw. Totally her Town game.

Computer virus?

[dragonspawn]

Is her typical scumgame really that awful? o.o

Not saying it's awful. But it's usually different enough.

She could have improved. But I'm still confident

[dragonspawn]

What are we waiting for? Pile votes onto TSO.

Let's go.

@Dragonspawn: Your needless obtuseness has been noted.

I am so getting lynched at this rate lol.

unvote

vote: shinobi

I really don't like being told what to do. And per my earlier discussion with wake it seems like this is a good way to get more info to analyze.

[dragonspawn]

Is Shinobi a Thor alt?
I'm getting nightmares of my first game on this site.

I'm wary of people being so confident in meta this early on in the game
Has Silver really said enough at this point for the three of you to be so confident in her being town? Is what I'm reading as forced tone come across as playstyle or what?
Also, when's the last time that the three of you have played with her?

playing another game with her right now. Though it started an hour ago and she hasn't said anything there yet.

[dragonspawn]

What are we waiting for? Pile votes onto TSO.

Let's go.

@Dragonspawn: Your needless obtuseness has been noted.

I am so getting lynched at this rate lol.

unvote

vote: shinobi

I really don't like being told what to do. And per my earlier discussion with wake it seems like this is a good way to get more info to analyze.

How exactly do you intend to lynch mafia if you're not going to listen to other people? Are you intending to just come up with every single case on scum yourself or what?

I'm genuinely asking. I've never heard of a mafia player who just "doesn't like being told what to do" because that's just needlessly obtuse. I don't even think it's scummy. I just think it's bad.

ITT, Shinobi doesn't take the opportunity to respond to 112.

What exactly am I responding to?

whose being obtuse? I didn't say I wouldn't listen and consider someone's position. People persuade me all the time. I'm a very big proponent of the free exchange of ideas and services, though I suppose that is more life than the game itself.

but you aren't trying to persuade me. You're commanding me and everyone else to join your crusade against Tso.

I get it. He's not doing a thing. But that doesn't mean you get to tell me to vote for him and expect me to react positively to you or not make me suspicious that you are simply trying to push an easy lynch.

[dragonspawn]

Sorry ika. I was just responding to the question. Meant no harm

[dragonspawn]

Computer virus?

Anti-virus, actually. The program's not functioning right. Their help desk is open during my sleep period (I'm not a daywalker,) so getting it fixed could take a few evenings.

You're a vampire?

Shouldn't you and wolf be fighting then?

[dragonspawn]

Oh

.

No, it's not necessarily a "crusade" against TSO for not doing a thing; rather, he's a player I'm intending to focus on during this day. I've played with him three times and townread him in every game I played with him. He was mafia in two of those games. I have absolutely no idea how to read him properly so I want to start pressuring him out of the gate to see what he does when the spotlight on him early.

Sure, his not posting while he should be posting bothers me, but that's not why I'm doing what I'm doing. If this is how you intend to handle my TSO pressure, then I'm perfectly okay with that.

I don't have a problem with you pressuring him at all. I have a problem with you telling the rest of us we need to.

[dragonspawn]

Oh

.

No, it's not necessarily a "crusade" against TSO for not doing a thing; rather, he's a player I'm intending to focus on during this day. I've played with him three times and townread him in every game I played with him. He was mafia in two of those games. I have absolutely no idea how to read him properly so I want to start pressuring him out of the gate to see what he does when the spotlight on him early.

Sure, his not posting while he should be posting bothers me, but that's not why I'm doing what I'm doing. If this is how you intend to handle my TSO pressure, then I'm perfectly okay with that.

I don't have a problem with you pressuring him at all. I have a problem with you telling the rest of us we need to.

I'm not telling you we need to. I'm asking you to help me out because I think this is a good course of action.

At the very least, it's better than talking about vampires.

Because, uh, it looks okay and I can see how you think those things.

Eh

Still more than you've given in regards to that post, ftr.

Vampires can tell you more than you realize

[dragonspawn]

dragonspawn has played with me many times off-site as well as Klingon and House.

House has played with me many times onsite here as well.

House and Klingon both just got out of a game with me where I was scum and they were town.

Aero and Grib have not played with me off-site but onsite here in a few games.

Wake has played with me a couple times.

Anyhow, here's the game where I was scum and House and Klingon were town.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=60334

?
Are they over at US as well? Who are they? I didn't think there were so many of us over here.

Hi, FA, I'm Grandma.

We have found a witch. May we burn her?

Just teasin

[dragonspawn]

Aw you people all know each other, I feel like an outsider :/

I

Don't be we will be at each other's throats before too long.

[dragonspawn]

I forgot this game existed. My men, I'll forgive you by personally digging the graves for the dead bodies of scum after I lead the charge in hanging them.

Let's get down to business.

and whose grave are you starting with?

[dragonspawn]

I am not familiar with aero and his game play but I'm not seeing the scumminess yet.

[dragonspawn]

Btw at this point I'm getting a scum vibe from shinobi and Viking. Town for wolf and wake. Null for everyone else so far.

[dragonspawn]

I don't especially like TSO's entrance into this game at all and I'm perfectly fine with my vote where it is.

it does seem like alot more effort than I usually see when I'm in a game with him but who knows at this point.

[dragonspawn]

Btw at this point I'm getting a scum vibe from shinobi and Viking. Town for wolf and wake. Null for everyone else so far.

Scum/town vibe absent any reasoning makes me think YOU are scum. Care to explain where the 'vibes' are coming from?

Gut calls at this point. For the most part. I've explained my reasoning with wolf already.

Not enough to really build cases yet.

[dragonspawn]

@House

How Indeed.

I do have initial feelings regarding certain players, but you practically demand that I vote yet will undoubtedly scoff at the feelings behind the reasoning for said vote. You probably want me to vote in order to pick apart and attack it, which in itself is disingenuous, and further makes me want to choose my actions wisely, because I like to have solid reasoning behind each and every one of my actions in general. If I felt your intentions were honest, that you wanted to know who I'd vote for without also planning to attack it, I'd be more inclined to do so.

WTF is up with this? I don't even know what to say to this. You don't want anyone to question your vote? I wasn't planning on attacking you Wake.

TSO picked apart my vote on him twice and said he didn't like it. Cheetory didn't like the tone of some of my posts and said so. Do you see me freaking out and squeezing a stress ball in the corner? Well, if I was squeezing a stress ball you wouldn't see it but just visualize it Wake.

I'm not sure what this is all about. I want to say townie paranoia but I'm not wanting to townread this behavior or call it scummy. Maybe just null for now and keep an eye on it.

yeah this is definitely a town game for you

[dragonspawn]

Scarcity creates value.

It applies to gold and virtually everything else.

How much power does the player who votes tens or hundreds of times in a game have?

problem is you aren't creating scarcity. You are still talking. You just aren't giving substance.

that just creates an expectation of no substance.

[dragonspawn]

I suppose that's possible, I found more meaning in the content of his post than the subject of it.

you are being way too friendly this game house.

fos

[dragonspawn]

Why wasn' tit vote-worthy?

watch the language. We have ladies present. And put some pants on.

[dragonspawn]

I suppose that's possible, I found more meaning in the content of his post than the subject of it.

you are being way too friendly this game house.

fos

Looks like the Viking wagon id picking up. As he is one of my gut scum reads at the moment in going to jump on and see if more pressure will shake something free from him.

VOTE: viking

[dragonspawn]

FoS: Dragon

eh. Any particular reason?

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: dragon

Interesting. It's. A fos, then I vote for Viking and it becomes a vote. What changed? Am I voting for your partner?

[dragonspawn]

Defensive response noted. You still haven't answered my original question.

[dragonspawn]

I suppose that's possible, I found more meaning in the content of his post than the subject of it.

you are being way too friendly this game house.

fos

Looks like the Viking wagon id picking up.

As he is one of my gut scum reads at the moment in going to jump on

and see if more pressure will shake something free from him.

VOTE: viking

This is really scummy to me. You felt the need to defend your gut read instead of trying to explain why it could possibly be a gut read?

So it's scummy for me to vote for someone I've already said I think is scum?

That's a new one.

[dragonspawn]

the

So it's scummy for a pressure vote on a suspected scum now? Because I said it was for pressure?

You must be really pushing to vote for the people who were on the tso wagon then.

I already told you Viking was a gut call. There are plenty of reasons to vote for him at this point. My reason is trusting my instincts

[dragonspawn]

the

So it's scummy for a pressure vote on a suspected scum now? Because I said it was for pressure?

You must be really pushing to vote for the people who were on the tso wagon then.

I already told you Viking was a gut call. There are plenty of reasons to vote for him at this point. My reason is trusting my instincts

I didn't say you can't pressure vote. Why are you telling your pressure vote that you're pressuring them?
. And I was voting TSO until just recently. Why do you think I was voting those we were on the TSO wagon?

This is a terrible reason for a vote.

FoS: pisskop

Boons and Aero's votes were fine.

What was bad about my reason for voting dragon?

considering you guys made it clear you were voting for tso to pressure him until he stopped lurking.

why wouldn't I tell someone I'm voting for someone to pressure them? I have nothing to hide.

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: vikingfan

Sheeping my neigh...ing horse!

Interesting.

[dragonspawn]

Back as promised . I find a lot of interaction, especially the buddying with SilverWolf extremely interesting and have noted it for future reference in future days. As for who I find scummy:

I'm going to note the wagon on dragonspawn first. First of all there was an attempt to elicit a reaction on my part which he simply voted on because I reacted, whereas I'm sure if I'd just ignored the whole attempt to elicit a reaction would have been found scummy too in terms of ignoring it. So that became a no-win situation because there would be a reaction of some sort, which I found interesting.

I find Grib's post about being on V/LA until Tuesday in post 37 very interesting because he also noted v/la due to homework and there was zero bussing as a result of that yet my post about having real-life things as well was found scummy so I am noting the selective criteria being used for future reference.

also, dragon spent a lot of posts defending silverwolf and very little on anyone else.

I find tso's defense fine for now. so UNVOTE: tso VOTE: dragonspawn

BTW, I have never played with anyone in this game so using meta is useless in my case so I'm not going to use that to try to read other people. I will say that I tend to play as much as possible exactly the same whether town or scum.

Was rereading your posts and a few others and something about this one stood out. I've bolded the portion. You're claiming people are bussing you. You can only be bussed if you are scum. And you can only be bussed by fellow scum.

You also claimed no one was bussing grib. Same problem. Care to explain?

[dragonspawn]

Wake, do you usually watch as much as you are in this game? Or is there something specific you are hoping to see before you vote?

And what do you think of vikings wagon so far?

[dragonspawn]

dragonspawn, what answer do you expect from 436? The only way it's valid is if he and Grib are scumpartners and other scum didn't vote Grib... rather unlikely.

I want some sort of explanation. It doesn't make sense. Because as you said it is unlikely. Hence why I'm asking. I can't get an understanding of what's going on in vikings head if I don't ask questions on things that bother me can I?

Now why does it bother you that I'm asking him about his statement?

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: vikingfan

Sheeping my neigh...ing horse!

Interesting.

It was either him or you. Fortunately for you, I place more stock in the reads of others than I do my own.

We'll see how it pans out.

Oh that's not what I found interesting.

I'm starting to think you are prob town but I'm not totally sure.

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: vikingfan

Sheeping my neigh...ing horse!

Interesting.

It was either him or you. Fortunately for you, I place more stock in the reads of others than I do my own.

We'll see how it pans out.

Oh that's not what I found interesting.

I'm starting to think you are prob town but I'm not totally sure.

Why are you even leaning that way?

You never even consider the possibility that I'm town.

Starting to wonder if I made the right choice. <_<

I quoted the post that was pushing me that direction.

and I am sure wolf would seriously disagree with you that I never town read you.

[dragonspawn]

It makes him scum because he himself listed defensiveness as a possible scumtell. Along with that OMGUSy post we've got ourselves a good Day1 lynch.

where did I list defensiveness as a scum tell?

[dragonspawn]

(Psst: dragonspawn is certifiable lynchbain. Hence my reluctance to join his wagon despite my own interest in voting for him)

Atm viking looks more like lynchbait to me.

It makes him scum because he himself listed defensiveness as a possible scumtell. Along with that OMGUSy post we've got ourselves a good Day1 lynch.

where did I list defensiveness as a scum tell?

#398 At least that's how I read it in context.

And yet I haven't made a determination in either direction whether boon is scum or town so how can it be a scum tell in context?

[dragonspawn]

(Psst: dragonspawn is certifiable lynchbain. Hence my reluctance to join his wagon despite my own interest in voting for him)

Atm viking looks more like lynchbait to me.

Which supports a D1 viking lynch.

If he flips scum, it will ease my mind considerably about dragonspawn, because scum simply chose an easy target to draw heat away from their buddy.

If he flips town, it will get rid of a distraction and allow us to look for the actual scum instead of argue throughout the game.

Barring a player posting, "Hai guyz, I iz scumlol", viking's lynch is the most useful.

Not a bad plan. What if we are both town?

[dragonspawn]

That being said, my vote is still on vikingfan, because his posts have looked much worse than dragon's. I've got an FoS on dragon though.

I'm still trying to figure out why he's scummier than vikingfan.......................

Yeah, he isn't.

So looking at the votes:
Boon was the first to vote dragon
Pisskop sheeps Boon’s reason
Grib adds to vikingfan
Aero adds to dragon for the same reason as Boon and pisskop
Vikingfan jumps on dragon
Klingon places his vote for vikingfan (although the intent was clearly there already)
House jumps on, stating he is sheeping
Kitz jumps on vikingfan for disliking the way he addressed the dragon wagon (which has a nice ring to it
Nakedjogger jumps on dragon for being defensive

Giving us the following VC for those two (pretty sure):

vikingfan

: acryon, SilverWolf, dragonspawn, Grib, Klingon, House, Kitz [L-4]

Dragonspawn

: Boonskiies, Pisskop, Aeronaut, vikingfan, Nakedjogger [L-6]

The dragonspawn wagon certainly smells like a counterwagon to a scum wagon. If it is, I suspect Aeronaut the most on the counterwagon (and of course vikingfan). Came in third on the wagon only after it clearly had a little traction and just sheeped Boon's reasoning (which isn't bad in and of itself, but it's hard to tell if Aero had his own reasons).

I completely agree with this analysis. vikingfan's lynch would be most informative because if he flips scum, we can look at the votes on dragon's wagon like Aero and pisskop more closely. If he flips town, dragon would be a good D2 vote.

But would scum vote for their buddy to stay off a mislynch wagon?

I don't think so.

No, If vikingfan is scum, then dragon is more likely to be town with scum on his wagon. If he's town, then the votes on dragon are not as suspect.

I tend to agree. If Viking is scum it's unlikely a counternwagon would start on another scum.

[dragonspawn]

Of course, I could just be the counter wagon because I annoy people

[dragonspawn]

(Psst: dragonspawn is certifiable lynchbain. Hence my reluctance to join his wagon despite my own interest in voting for him)

Atm viking looks more like lynchbait to me.

It makes him scum because he himself listed defensiveness as a possible scumtell. Along with that OMGUSy post we've got ourselves a good Day1 lynch.

where did I list defensiveness as a scum tell?

#398 At least that's how I read it in context.

And yet I haven't made a determination in either direction whether boon is scum or town so how can it be a scum tell in context?

Do you think defensiveness is a towntell?

The answer is it depends on the person. Need to look at a case by case basis.

[dragonspawn]

Then is he just this unreadable enigma

that's the beauty of being me.

[dragonspawn]

Sorry for my absince - been very busy lately and involved in a few games so time has been limited. This thread just constantly explodes as well. Just got somewhat caught up.

It seems like every time vikingfan gets a vote, someone else comes along and throws down a vote for dragonspawn.

This does seem to be the case and makes viking a likely scum candidate for many of the reasons listed so far. The case against dragon is a LOT weaker than vikings and the fact that so many seem to have jumped on it just screams that as being a scum created counter to save one of their own. I happen to agree with silver in 467 on this one, a viking lynch would deliver us the most information at this point.

VOTE: viking

Silver I have zero idea what RVS means. care to explain?

How can you have been here a decade and nhot seen that acronym before? Is it uncommon here?

Could you like a game where that happened?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/us ... -zone.139/
The games are listed as "Official USMB Mafia Game X" and he was in almost all of them as Avatar.

I am not sure it would really help. What happened is that dragon rolled scum in his first game and then won. As the player base consists of the same players virtually every game, that tainted him for the remaining 7 and he was lynched early virtually every time.

I would add that he has gotten a LOT more defensive at USMB because of this - I think that he is tired of being led to the gallows early. I still have a hard time reading him though but I have never played in a game with him where he was scum.

Not true. You were in fire and ice. I should have played that one differently

[dragonspawn]

Yea. I think Viking is someone who can be easily painted as scummy, and Dragon is someone whose receiving quite a bit of resistance. Another reason why I don't see myself moving away, right now.

And all the resistance to my wagon is coming from then people who played half a dozen or more games with me. Now, I suppose it's theoretically possible that I've rolled scum with all of my usual game roster, or maybe they have just played enough to know my usual game.

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: vikingfan

You have a lot of naked votes. What was this one for?

especially the buddying with SilverWolf extremely interesting and have noted it for future reference in future days

What do you mean? In this same quote you mentioned listing scumreads, but don't go into detail about Silverwolf or TSO. Are you scumreading TSO?

VOTE: acryon

I think I'm just going to switch. I haven't forgotten about TSO but his filter is better than acryon's.

>Agrees with boon on dragonspawn.
>Scumread on dragonspawn disappears based on nothing.
>Summarizes useless information for no reason.

I am happy with my vote.

Oh. I was going to ask what made you vote Acryon. I can see that.

I'm one of the notorious USMB Liberals. I never miss an election. I simply brain farted and forgot to vote for Viking.

Your liberal tendencies aside :b, what is your opinion of House?

I completely agree with this analysis. vikingfan's lynch would be most informative because if he flips scum, we can look at the votes on dragon's wagon like Aero and pisskop more closely. If he flips town, dragon would be a good D2 vote.

I don't understand. Viking is the lynchbait. What would lynching the one who is more likely town tell us? House said the same thing, in 464.

---

Dragonspawn

I'm starting to think you are prob town but I'm not totally sure.

Why? I've been trying to read House all game and I can't still.

How is this answer coming?

And yet I haven't made a determination in either direction whether boon is scum or town so how can it be a scum tell in context?

What do you think of Boon? What about me, or everyone else on your wagon?

I saw the question. Didn't want you to think I'm ignoring it. I'm not sure what to think of quite a number of you guys so far. This is my first game with most of you and it usually takes some time to get descent reads on people. Which is precisely why most of my current reads are on people I'm familiar with. I suppose that's just day one.

Boon, for example hasn't posted a lot. Most of his substance posts are his analysis of my game play so far. I clearly pissed him off since he agreed with my post on angering people. And I disagree with his analysis obviously. That's not really a scum tell though. Doesn't mean he is town either. I just haven't seen enough yet.

As for you I'd like to see more from you. Null so far.

My fullest read on my wagon is probably aero. Getting a town vibe from him. He is asking questions. Not shying from discussion. He seems sincere in his inquiries like he is trying to figure things out.

Usually is like this day one. Nothing firm and sometimes fluid. I'm usually better on later days

[dragonspawn]

@Klingon didn't see that post the first time. Does it make sense to read meta from other sites since the meta is very different there from here?

Not true. You were in fire and ice. I should have played that one differently

That's right. I forgot about that one.

It does not count though as you self outed to kill the ice team

I thought that was a really fun game.

I loved that game.

[dragonspawn]

His scum huntin' is super duper fake, even for Day 1 standards. LYNCH IT!

sorry by where exactly is your scum hunting today? People in glass houses should throw rocks.

Ladies and Gentlemen, sheep me on this, fellas. You won't regret it.

scum might not regret it but I town probably should.

of course I piss people off.

[dragonspawn]

>Agrees with boon on dragonspawn.
>Scumread on dragonspawn disappears based on nothing.
>Summarizes useless information for no reason.

I am happy with my vote.

Can you elaborate on this?

I fail to see what else needs elaborating.

wouldn't the wiser move to elaborate anyway or at least ask specific questions on what he needs fleshed out?

just started strengthens my less than town read on you.

[dragonspawn]

@house what type of horse do you have? What does he or she look like?

like vampires it's a far more intriguing topic than alot of what has been going on this game.

[dragonspawn]

I'm actually interested in the lynchbait vs. scum conversation. If you called vikingfan or dragonspawn lynchbait - why? If you refer to either them as actual scum (House you in particular seem to use the terms interchangeably at a point) then point out why and the difference.

vikingfan, I haven't gotten an answer from you - you stated that Grib was not bussed for his V\LA comment while you were bussed. Do you see why that is a scum slip? It implies that both you and Grib are scum and that one or more people from you wagon are scum.

Do people think that this scum slip means someone on viking's wagon is his scum buddy? Why or why not?

I skimmed through one of the town and one of the mafia games you linked to vikingfan, it seems like both are from 10 or so years ago. First, have you been playing mafia since then under another or alt account or offsite? Then, your town meta from that game seems to be more aggressive - would you agree?

Horse is beeing agreeable so far.?

Many people are town reading SilverWolf.

Also, considering some of the replaces - what is your or this site's theory on replaces having a higher then average chance of being scum?

dragonspawn, so you have nothing of value to add other then wanting to converse about vampires and horses? I agree with you it can be hard to read players without knowing them but of the different types of things you could do to get a better sense, which have you thought of actually doing so far? And where?

oh I am. While having fun at the same time. And if I want to ask house about horses, I will. Whether he answers is something altogether different.

so why so serious anyway? We are playing a game. It's supposed to be fun.

[dragonspawn]

>Agrees with boon on dragonspawn.
>Scumread on dragonspawn disappears based on nothing.
>Summarizes useless information for no reason.

I am happy with my vote.

Can you elaborate on this?

I fail to see what else needs elaborating.

wouldn't the wiser move to elaborate anyway or at least ask specific questions on what he needs fleshed out?

just started strengthens my less than town read on you.

I can't elaborate on what I perceive to be a fleshed-out read.

What exactly would either of you propose that I flesh out?

well how about to start what information did you find useless? Kind of hard to know what you're referring to when you don't bother to mention what it is

[dragonspawn]

Dragon seems to get himself in this position in every game.

yeah it gets me into trouble. Ironically if I didn't have some trouble everyone would think I'm scum for not playing usually. If I'm going to get scum read and into altercations with people I may as well have fun with it

[dragonspawn]

His scum huntin' is super duper fake, even for Day 1 standards. LYNCH IT!

sorry by where exactly is your scum hunting today? People in glass houses should throw rocks.

Ladies and Gentlemen, sheep me on this, fellas. You won't regret it.

scum might not regret it but I town probably should.

of course I piss people off.

Unrepentant scummy play as town is

my

shtick, dragonspawn.

You should stop, you can't pull it off as well.

maybe not but practice makes perfect.

btw sounds like a good horse.

[dragonspawn]

Dragon seems to get himself in this position in every game.

yeah it gets me into trouble. Ironically if I didn't have some trouble everyone would think I'm scum for not playing usually. If I'm going to get scum read and into altercations with people I may as well have fun with it

Who are your top suspects and why?

Viking and shinobi have been my top suspects for a while. Initially gut reactions on both. I've been debating more recently whether my shinobi read is scum or just anti town.

Viking first pinged me with his RVs vote. Hasn't gotten any better.

[dragonspawn]

Elusive

I'm actually interested in the lynchbait vs. scum conversation. If you called vikingfan or dragonspawn lynchbait - why? If you refer to either them as actual scum (House you in particular seem to use the terms interchangeably at a point) then point out why and the difference.

Viking's play has consistently been direct and has more of an outgoing newbtown than scum feel. He says things with confidence, and sometimes it feels like overreaching, but they always seem to show a clear thought process.
. For example, his 88 is similar to how I felt in response to Wake's 54. It's true I didn't like his 416, with how he doesn't explain his 'interesting' feelings towards Silverwolf or Grib, but I couldn't find any scum thinking 422 was adequate on its own. And in 497 he claims he isn't lynchbait, which is more newbtown overestimation. I would imagine any scum would try to play up their potential shelter.

Also, considering some of the replaces - what is your or this site's theory on replaces having a higher then average chance of being scum?

I think more townie players replace out due to disinterest or being disgusted by a player.

Do people think that this scum slip means someone on viking's wagon is his scum buddy? Why or why not?

I'm not sure it was a scumslip as much as poor or improper word use.

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Dragon

This is scum trying to get pressure off of himself by going totally passive to everything. LYNCH IT!

I saw the question. Didn't want you to think I'm ignoring it. I'm not sure what to think of quite a number of you guys so far. This is my first game with most of you and it usually takes some time to get descent reads on people.

You seem more genuine in your responses.
. Do you think you tend to withhold your vote in general? How do you typically scumhunt?

of course I piss people off.

Why do you deliberately play this way then? Does it get you results?

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House

dragon, please don't humor FA's poor push. It's not even worth it.

What is this? Do you not read or not care? She clearly states her opinion here:

That assumes that viking is more likely town then Dragon. I don't think that is the case and I don't see anything from silver that would indicate that she thinks so either unless I missed something.

Playstyles such as mine, ABR's, and dragonspawn's, to name a few, raise flags when people use such a convenient excuse to votepark them instead of actively scumhunt and pressure suspects.

Looking over your meta, I really dislike your playstyle in general. You seem to purposely want to piss people off, and then call them scum for it. Others have noted your willingness to call either scum; and you seem to have lost interest in ABR.

I usually do hold my cards close to the chest day 1. I'll give honest reads but alot of day1 is pro ing and watching and seeing the responses I get, looking for signs of town or scum. When there is something that really piques me I'll go in both barrells see the results.

and I don't usually intend to piss people off. I just tend to because I will ask questions or say things to learn info or get a reaction in either way.

[dragonspawn]

Yeah House seems to be making a good case for lynching viking

and who if anyone do you think we should lynch?

[dragonspawn]

Elusive, Why go through the entire game and summarize the wagons if you weren't going to vote for either of them anyway?

Mostly to keep track of who said what. If one of those wagons go through, then it'll all be in one place to look back upon. So if viking does flip town or scum, then its clear who led the lynch and what reason they provided or who they agreed to\are possibly aligned with. We have some days left to consolidate and many people haven't spoken yet.

NJ, I don't know. You tell me...

Also, its possible one of the wagons arose to counter TSO. So that was something I thought was important to note.

why would the scum bother trying to counter a tso wagon if he was scum? Every indication was that the tso wagon was meant to put pressure on him to respond. He responded and the wagon everyone's attention was elsewhere before the wagons took off.

[dragonspawn]

Will probably start posting again when acryon is around.

Why is your posting dependent on Acryon?

I second the question. I don't see a connection

[dragonspawn]

vikingfan, it's interesting to see you posting like a real player now, are you being coached or?

Since it may turn out that you are the lynch for toDay, who do you think town should look at closely if you flip town? Can you do a last reads or will post?

Wake88, vikingfan wrote in a post that he found it interesting that the response to his V\LA was for players to buss him while the response to Grib's V\LA did not result in bussing. That read like a massive scum slip to most, I think. I'm more interested in what people think should happen once he flips either town or scum. If he flips scum do they look at those who were voting him at the time of the post? Does that mean Grib needs to be looked at? Etc.

Aeronaut, you can start now.

The bolded is disgusting. Scumpoints for you.

why is it disgusting?

[dragonspawn]

How would you draw the conclusion that he was being coached without knowing about encryptors?

maybe I'm still new ay this but what do encryptors have to do with this?

[dragonspawn]

How would you draw the conclusion that he was being coached without knowing about encryptors?

maybe I'm still new ay this but what do encryptors have to do with this?

Encryptors are the only scum role on mafiascum that give scum daytalk. They don't have daytalk otherwise.

I've played a game with day talk and no encryptor. Course it was offsite.

alot of assumptions if we are even assuming their is daytalk though.

[dragonspawn]

Just lynch Boon.

I don't know if I've ever seen your scum game, but this behavior does seem consistent with your town game. Going to lean town On abr right now. Even if you I don't agree with your choice at the moment.

[dragonspawn]

lol at the encryptor talk. I did note earlier that I would be around a lot more this weekend to post and investigate and I've followed up on that. this game tends to explode while I'm asleep and at work so I obv don't post as much. I'm looking forward to later days when the smaller size will work much better to keep up with. hopefully the game stays at manageable levels of posting for the rest of today, however, how long that lasts. which reminds me, mod, are you open to moving the deadline? The OP says that you are. if not, I'm thinking I should claim soon...

so you don't know rvs but you understood the encrytpor conversation

[dragonspawn]

Holy crap. You seriously telling me our cop is such a horrible player?

unvote

till we figure out whether this claim has any credibility.

[dragonspawn]

I searched through all ika's games he modded - there are no Cop roles in any of them bar these to prove/disprove.

*sigh*

in none of the games?

[dragonspawn]

Based on that I can't particularly disprove the claim right now. I don't particularly believe or disbelieve it, I'm simply waiting.

Unvote

I'm a bit skeptical of the claim myself, but I'm not sure we should risk it without more evidence

[dragonspawn]

Who are you going to vote now?

I'm going to think about it for a bit.

[dragonspawn]

I'd love a dragon lynch.

I guess you'd love to hurt town then

[dragonspawn]

Day 1 I usually do put more stock in meta. Otherwise we usually have nothing to discuss. Unless someone is stupid enough to scum claim. Sully that just turns out to be a dumb townie though. But who can take the chance?

[dragonspawn]

Day 1 I usually do put more stock in meta. Otherwise we usually have nothing to discuss. Unless someone is stupid enough to scum claim. Sully that just turns out to be a dumb townie though. But who can take the chance?

My issue here is that in 546, you attribute the resistance to your wagon as presumably legitimate due to people having played with you (ergo meta). I get that it is useful for discussion, but in 546 you seem to be accepting of it by others as a defense for you.

Define accepting. I was just saying it was low probability that I was scum with all the people who know how I play in response to a suggestion that they were defending me because we are all scum.

I'm only town reading wolf and house. Wolf because of meta. House a combo of meta and other reason.

I don't have a read on Klingon yet because meta reading doesn't work well on her in my experience. Nor do I have a read on fa. He hasn't given me much to work with yet.

[dragonspawn]

dragon-You seem to be making a lot of excuses for not providing content D1.

Hold your horses. I'm doing more than you realize. I think I'm doing more than you might realize.

[dragonspawn]

unvote

well, that is a change of pace.

One post that has not sat well with me thus far:

Grib, I've interacted with many people who are not lurking.

My lean towns so far were: Wake (who I would maybe sheep if he were not V\LA), SilverWolf (already stated in thread), acryon, FA_Q2, Aeronaut, Rampage (idk maybe), Celt,

My Need to Be Pressured Pile is: Naked Jogger, Cheetory, Boonskiies, Croboss\Replace, Jared615, House, TSO
I voted Ramapage in RVS and stayed because he hasn't done the thing he does quite yet.
I voted Jared615 because of the post I quoted + TSO defending him + I hate lurkers which is my meta in general.

My I Have No Clue Pile is: Everyone else

Also, you didn't answer my like thrice repeated question? Are you a townie green ninja shadow cat?

NJ, hmm...different people play different ways. This is my playstyle. I disagree with your read of it and also your sacrilege against Victoria Beckham who even if she was a maneater which is in itself relevant, is legit status.

I'm also still waiting your tunnel....or I guess 1 vs. 1 whichever or both they are.

A lot of people are reading elusive as town but I really do not get that. This post reads like randomly tossing out reads to seem town. He is reading me as town and really there is little reason to do so considering the limited posting that I have been able to do (and then states he hates lurkers). I think that thus far he is the ONLY player to do so. @elusive - why are you reading me as town?

Vote: Elusive

(and yes, I just scum read someone because they town read me...)

It is interesting because as I just mentioned I am not getting a read on you yet. Nothing about your posts is jumping out either way.

So why are you lurking this game?

What do you think of wake so far?

[dragonspawn]

It seems likely that is what it is. The most suspicious one of them is FA though. He has actively been suspicious of me and yet votes for Viking. By it makes sense that he might do that just from knowing my meta.

wolf is loyal to her friends until she has a reason to suspect you. Not surprised with her defense. Nor does it seem scummy. It seems consistent with her town behavior

klingon is hard to read I admit. But she tends to be like wolf.

house I just dont see as scum this game.

[dragonspawn]

My fixation with the tso wagon was two fold. My suspicion of Shinobi and his aggressive towards tso off the bat and the fact that it was gaining traction quickly. Mostly shinobi though.

and I know meta isn't the only way to read people day 1 but I've found it effective.

scum wolf lurks more. She is less willing to get into analysis. Tries to stay under the radar. When she is town she is more willing to confront people. As she is this game.

as for house, his posts have a town vibe.

[dragonspawn]

FA is still scummiest to me.
People should vote him.
Silver should remember to go back and read him for me please.

why do you think I should vote for FA?

[dragonspawn]

If you couldn't vote FA who would you vote for?

[dragonspawn]

Aero,

the difference between you and Fa is that you are providing many posts of substance to look at. FA has not given me as much. In addition, you provided reasons for going to Viking. I didn't seen reasoning quite so strong for FA voting that way.

the post to wolf was mostly for her sake not anyone else.

so what do you think of FA anyway? What about cheetory, Jared, or grib?

[dragonspawn]

as for house, his posts have a town vibe.

Why are you refusing to give any sort of reason for your read on me?

If you think I'm town enough to townread me, there should be more behind it than "vibe".

From the sounds of your posts, I should be a null/town at best to you.

Because I don't think scum would care about horses at all. Especially not to mention it.

I suppose it is theoretically possible. But I see no reason to seriously consider it day 1 with so many better choices out there.

I would have thought you'd realize why I wasn't saying anything

[dragonspawn]

House, it's right here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=58830

Stated by TSO regarding you, "Him keeping his options open should have been a scumtell but there were a lot of weird dynamics in this LyLo which made it kinda acceptable to do."

Also, what are your reads other then dragonspawn? Do you have any? What are your thoughts on all of the active players so far? Concrete thoughts such as lean town, lean scum or null. Not the wishy washy stuff.

So your basic is a completely different game?

Why shouldn't options be kept open day 1?

[dragonspawn]

Tell me to do something. I'm a follower at heart, and I crave a sense of direction amid the chaos.

Do you have any solid reads on anyone yet?

Townreads, yes. And because of [redacted], I honestly feel it's enough, at least for now.

But if you want scumreads, you'll have to direct me to a scummy player and I'll consult the gods.

What do you think of elusive so far?

[dragonspawn]

If the claims are true Kitz has got the shittiest towncred.

Elaborate please

[dragonspawn]

Meh, I can't read Kitz.

Get out of here. You couldn't read me either yet didn't hesitate in calling me scum. Place your vote on Kitz.

And you can't read me. This is obv confirmed town Boonskiies. Keep day Kitz vote.

Confirmed town by who?

[dragonspawn]

Kitz, are you an alt?

Aeronaut, from what I can tell Kitz only has two or so games on this site so unless she's an alt, she is a newbie and some of her questions were the same kinds that I had. I can think of townie mindsets for what she's thinking. Wondering about the setup is a real thing, the only reason I haven't asked more questions is because of fearing of giving too much away.

I get that Rampage's little Russian Roulette game may glean some dividends but I haven't seen it work yet. I've also never been in a game (in my probably short history) where scum died from a day one lynch. Do people have stats on it (ABR's success rate of scum lynches)

I'd rather see people go after a strong player and see what happens or reactions from that. Therefore, my vote on House. Maybe I'll switch to Wake or one of the other Boss type Pokemon.

And yes if I had to choose, I would choose to lynch a lurker most times because from my brief experience they become a thorn in the side. Also usually newb scum heavy lurks.

I don't like your last line, "cool wagon," doesn't equal "wagon on scum."

So normally you would lynch a lurker. We have a wagon on kits who has been lurking as well as other lurkers to choose from but instead you want to go for "stronger" players now such as house just to see reaction?

That seems like a convenient justification to your vote after several tries of not explaining it at all.

vote elusive

Too many hoops to jump through in the reasoning here. Too must justification.

[dragonspawn]

Should we lynch their slots?

What?? Was there something crummy about either?

[dragonspawn]

Scummy stupid autocorrect.

[dragonspawn]

Viking

Spoiler: viking

LOL, I'm going to enjoy mentioning this in the postgame.

So what is your take on House?
. You may have also forgotten my other questions:

What do you mean? In this same quote you mentioned listing scumreads, but don't go into detail about Silverwolf or TSO. Are you scumreading TSO?

The closest I've come to finding an answer for this is 593. And I can't find a read on TSO from you.

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My take on House is the same as before. I'm leaning town on TSO though I'm not sure I like his extensive fishing on my role PM...I answered it but it could be helpful to scum as well.

UNVOTE: Jared, even though I don't like his lurking, I'll give his replacement a fair shot.

And Klingon had the most scummy post I've ever seen...lynching 3 slots solely because they're inactive? Yikes! VOTE: klingon

What is wrong with answering questions about your role pm? You claimed.

And while Klingon didn't make a protown post there have you bothered reading yours? And you are supposedly the cop

[dragonspawn]

So you think klingoncelt is town? Can someone describe her town vs scum meta? From what I can tell she's not a newbie. Dragon has defenders but I do not get his selective reading of the thread.

FA, your tone is so arrogant, are you scum and prepping me for a nk?
If not, bring it now. I answered your question, do you have any more or is that the extent of your hunting?
Do you have any scum reads beyond the low hanging fruit?

Klingoncelt, hey there.

Why would you expect to be the night kill?

[dragonspawn]

Mass claiming is a bad idea. Scum already have power roles to target and this is going to be a long game. Best to not give them ample targets and choice in this manner.

I already don't like the way we got our second claim, it was uncalled for and very anti-town.

that is the towniest post you've given so far.

[dragonspawn]

So why Kitz, boringHouse?

Why should I bother humoring questions from someone who is intent on insulting me?

I've been having a real problem sorting out Scum in this game. The level of confusion for me is identical to that game where Wolf and MathBlade were Scum. I didn't want to believe they were Scum, so my judgement got clouded.

Dragonspawn, well we know his history, no lynching him before Day2. SilverWolf, Boonskiies, Wake88, their Town/Scum games are easy enough to tell apart. Boon and Wake need to post more.

FA_Q2, T S O, and Shinobi are hard cases for me. I always have a hard time figuring out what side they're on. Maybe one of them is scum.

House, now House is an easy one. Anyone will tell you he's got his Town game and then there's his Scum game. What I'm seeing here is Town Game Light. I've never known him to tell an established player how to play before. I've never known him to be so oddly nitpicky and boring before. And there's no fireaids rageposting.

Dood. I thinks you haz scumz.

VOTE: House

Then you better meta me harder Grannie, because this is nothing new for me.

*sigh*

Maybe it's just that I'm used to everyone's psycho playstyle at USMB. I'm reading the game going on over there, it's full of rage and aggro. I'm surprised no one's had a heart attack yet.

Stop talking about ongoing games. You know I can't respond to your post.

Should we lynch their slots?

One of the scummiest thing I have ever seen. WTH.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Elusive can wait till tomorrow.

Looks like an attempt to distance yourself from elusive. I wonder when you're going to start bussing

so FA and elusive are scum?

which one do you suspect more?

[dragonspawn]

Not sure why the first quote posted

[dragonspawn]

Mass claiming is a bad idea. Scum already have power roles to target and this is going to be a long game. Best to not give them ample targets and choice in this manner.

I already don't like the way we got our second claim, it was uncalled for and very anti-town.

that is the towniest post you've given so far.

Why?

Because it's a townie response. And because the rest of his posts have questionable townienes

[dragonspawn]

Okay I haven't read the thread at all and plan on looking at vote counts late tonight. When I replace into games with this many I start from vote counts then read posts as time allows to keep the game moving.

In interest of full disclosure Titus is my RL sister for those who don't know me.

If you have any questions please let me know especially if acryon missed anything they were supposed to address.

Good to see you mb. Never had problems with your being related before. I'm not worried about it now.

[dragonspawn]

Also, Dragon, ABR, and now, you elusive. I didn't think the vote on me would have been alignment indicative, but it totally is on your part. Hiding behind blank reasonings and basically suggesting a policy lynch. Getting super nitpicky, full of fluff, and had no reasoning for voting me. Scum always tries to mislynch me when they can. (They usually don't get rid of me as easy as they'd like)

VOTE: Elusive

I don't like the ISO. Seems fake. I'd rather ABR because I don't believe the claim, but whoever said we can prove that later is right. This likely won't pick up steam. I won't be joining the Klingon wagon, though.

The problem with abr's claim is I wouldn't put it past him to be town and still fake claim.

[dragonspawn]

Boonskies, elusive is town. Mislynch someone else.

You've barely been in the game and you are certain she is town?

[dragonspawn]

How?

[dragonspawn]

Intuition and deductive reasoning were both involved.

That doesn't really tell me anything.

[dragonspawn]

Okay, I ISO'd Cheetory, and I have him at leaning Town.

Why?

Why should she tell more than you did for your town read of elusive?

[dragonspawn]

pisskop, you seem like you want people to think you're town, but are actually scum.

So what exactly makes you think that?

Hi Ellie. Not sure if you missed it, but I asked you a question.

I asked you some a while ago too. I was hoping you'd get to them

[dragonspawn]

Been trying to figure out maths self vote and the reaction. I've read the explanation of it and it still makes little sense to me.

I thought first she was trying to prove a point that you can't just accept claims. A way to point out Vikings cop claim isn't true and or maybe a soft counter claim while trying to look insane. But then she votes for naked jogger and says she is only 95% sure Viking is fake claiming. I tend to agree that he is but I'm no where near that confident.

I'm not against a naked jogger lynch today. I think elusive would be a better choice right now. But we need to avoid a no lynch. I'm not changing m vote yet. I'd like to see what else happens first.

[dragonspawn]

Btw yes math you do know me from elsewhere. I've seen her troll as town before. In fact I don't remember if I've ever seen her scum game before. Usually she says there is a reason for it though I can rarely figure it out.

[dragonspawn]

elusive will not be lynched while I am alive. Take that as you will. I might consider dragonspawn, though

this is an extremely solid position to be taking on elusive day 1 with little explanation. Did she give you a secret town handshake or something?

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: naked jogger

[dragonspawn]

(6) Klingoncelt: T S O, SilverWolf, FA_Q2, vikingfan, Aeronaut, Nobody Special
(5) NakedJogger: Kitz, Cheetory6, Grib, MathBlade, Ellie
(3) elusive: dragonspawn, pisskop, Boonskiies
(2) Boonskiies: elusive, Albert B. Rampage
(1) MathBlade: Shinobi
(1) Kitz: NakedJogger
(1) Pisskop: Ellie

Not voting: Wake88, Klingoncelt

I believe this is where we are at. I'm not interested in an elusive, Kitz, mathblade lynch from these wagons. I'm also not interested in dragonspawn, ABR, vikingfan, Grib, Aero, Shinobi, TSO, or Cheetory lynch.

Ellie, Wake, Nobody Special idk, House-wait for replacement

Klingon, Boon, pisskop, FA, NJ are all fine-pretty much in this order

you missed my vote change

[dragonspawn]

Ugh dragonspawn's play is so familiar. I just wish iC ould remember who they are.

I can agree to not lynching Ellie today. Elusive is a bit scummy but I have bigger scumspects.

I think NJ and Kitz should 1v1.

why Kitz? Seems to me grannie klingon has more votes. Or is there another reason?

[dragonspawn]

Ugh dragonspawn's play is so familiar. I just wish iC ould remember who they are.

I can agree to not lynching Ellie today. Elusive is a bit scummy but I have bigger scumspects.

I think NJ and Kitz should 1v1.

Is anyone else starting to lean scum on Ellie?

Yes quite heavily.

why so heavily?

[dragonspawn]

Maths post should not have been quoted sorry

[dragonspawn]

No shit :/ People here are idiots *facepalm*

no kidding

[dragonspawn]

So we are supposed to reject unmade mason claims and blindly accept an actual tracker claim?

[dragonspawn]

Wake, do you usually watch as much as you are in this game? Or is there something specific you are hoping to see before you vote?

And what do you think of vikings wagon so far?

@wake

not sure if you saw this earlier.

[dragonspawn]

So ABR claimed Tracker and Pisskop claimed Cop?

Why do people do this so early in Large games?

I thought you were supposed to be watching us and figuring things out. Are you telling me you haven't?

What about the questions I asked you?

@Klingon you aren't helping your case right now. And I'm starting to think I should vote for you just because we will get useful info out. Not to mention I am skeptical of people saying "if I'm lynched town will lose"

[dragonspawn]

I'm debating to myself between the two of NJ and Kling.
One is a forced, scummy pusher with little basis, and the other is doing so many slips that it hurts and gives a brain hemmorage.

Kling claimed VT, forgot about it and isn't reading the game properly. This hints that the player is not dedicated to the game and probably bored, which may hint that if the VT claim is legitimate, the player just doesn't have any motivation to play due to a lackluster role to their perceptive which may result in amnesia symtoms of "meh". That behavior might change once they have of course gained any sort of clue, or natural progression of the game. This behavior as a whole is anti-game which I do not support, but it puts out a scenario of uselessness that Scum wouldn't kill that person andf PR are willing to confirm this player, that's one somewhat useless player confirmed and we wouldn't have much material to go on with.

The pro / con to this makes Kling more of a policy lynch. Honestly prefer to see NJ go, but Kling's case is messy.

---

However, this leads me into Fluffy Questions for Town (Scum Plz Do Not Answer So We Know Who U R, xo)
1. Which do you like being more? Town or scum?
2. What is your favoritest color for flowers?
3. Are you scum?
4. If you could turn into an animal, what would it be?
5. What are your favorite scum hunting strategies and how do they work?

Oh and bonus question for like the Truly Amazing:

Who is the most dangerous player (for either alignment) in this game's player list and why?

Whoa dude, what meds do you use? Gonna answer just because.

1. Scum, 2. Persian Blue Color. 3. Nope. 4. White arctic fox. 5. Using information already present against the one who provided it, checking if it's legitimate and if I can make the other player feel stupid. 6. Most dangerous player to the game? Hmm... ABR, Viking, and Kling, are tied to "game destroying" list.

interesting reaction to elusive questioning. No one else bothered respond to her questions yet you rush to.

[dragonspawn]

So I'm reading the thread and asking myself "why is the NJ wagon happening?"

Because I still don't have a clue why it exists and nobody seems willing or able to tell me why.

and yet people have mentioned why. In fact math mentioned it in her last posts.

and the reasoning is still better than your tso wagon.

so the real question I see is why are you so upset that some of us our suspecting NJ?

[dragonspawn]

It really bugs me that Wake isn't voting or playing.

I don't have the time to read 1500 posts.

I'm Town, and if you're a member of Town as well you should try to help out your fellow members by giving an extremely short outline of what has happened so far.

Give me a little info and it'll help me play this game and vote.

recap:

shinobi lead tso push. Tso speaks, the wagon falls apart.

Viking digs himself a hole. A counter wagon on me starts. It falls apart and Viking looks more scummy claims cop.

house and I discuss his horse

wagon on abr starts till he claims tracker for no apparent reason.

klingon asks something stupid and a wagon pops up. Still here.

I don't particularly like the wagon so I've been looking for alternatives. Since we have a deadline I'm settling on the nk counter wagon cause I've found him scummier than klingon. Course we still have time.

if I've missed anything let me know. And answer my questions wake

[dragonspawn]

Actually dragon, Ellie responded first. So again what is going on with your selective reading?

yeah I missed that. Probably the lack of numbers and quoting the post and the fact that I'm on my phone

[dragonspawn]

The point on NJ voting because someone else "voted town" is actually kind of okay but that's about it.

That someone else would be me, and that's why I got tunneled stupidily by NJ.

shoot. I forgot about your wagon in my summary.

[dragonspawn]

Viking Ellie pisskop

I'm highly skeptical of Vikings claim. Ellie has been soft claiming mason with elusive and elusive denies it

wake when are you going to answer my questions?

[dragonspawn]

Wake shinobi has been someone I am keeping my eye on. I don't particularly care with his game play. But I'm not really sure I have hard evidence.

[dragonspawn]

1)wake, do you usually watch as much as you are in this game? 2) Or is there something specific you are hoping to see before you vote?

3)And what do you think of vikings wagon so far?

numbers added per wakes request.

[dragonspawn]

Doing an iso of Grib.

Catching up now! Yay.

Summarize anything important I should know, otherwise I'll vote and fail to give adequate reads because too many players.

Meaning you can give adequate reads based on someone's summary. Naive town or scum testing the waters.

peeks into thread

sees Cop claim

screams

Some of you have fucking long ISOs that are 50% nonsense. I have a few townreads but a ton of nulls.

VOTE: Jared

Sheeping a PR.

That was a beautiful story, but elusive is town.

Says he peeks into the thread. Hardcore defends elusive 5 minutes later. Maybe I'm the one most suited to bitch about meta.

His #853 suggests he can play this game but is unwilling unless someone point him towards something.

#884, 886, 889 3 whiteknighting-ABR posts

This post really bothers me. For one, I'm not really a fan of the "If I were scum" approach to things. It reads to me like you're trying to make us believe scum would do the opposite of what you're doing.

The second thing is that you're literally asking us for our opinions before taking any sort of stance. That's just as bad as what Kitz did above, really.

Or that's just me trying to explain how I'm feeling w/r/t the game. I don't expect you to take my word for it, nor will I fault you for being suspicious, but at least this way it can't be said I didn't tell you so.

I'm asking to be pointed in a general direction so I know where to direct my focus. I'm trying to get engaged in what's going on currently rather than hanging around in the past, because being in a perpetual state of catching up annoys me and makes me not want to play.

"Tell me who you're scumreading so I can piggyback"

Is there any evidence to suggest I've been piggybacking, or are you just looking for an easy attack?

And why not pressure me yourself instead of FoS'ing me and hopping on the popular wagon?

AtE. Still claims to be in a perpetual state of catching up. Is accusing Aeronaut of not FoS'ing in the same post where he answers to Aeronauts questioning, preemptively defensive.

UNVOTE:

I like Kitz's last post and agree with her townreads (although they'd be more accurate if I were on it, just sayin').

Unvotes Kitz for ranting about meta. This is where I'm getting annoyed. Not only did he use pure meta to block my pressure on ellusive but goes along with the Kitz pressure and just sabotages it from within this time. Scum motivation: defend scum or get townreads from targets. Town motivation: ?

Is he annoying, or scum?

Tells a player known to troll that he's annoying. When did that ever turn out well?

UNVOTE:

I like Kitz's last post and agree with her townreads (although they'd be more accurate if I were on it, just sayin').

What exactly do you like about it. The AtE, the strawman, the newbie card play or the fact that she hasn't provided any argumentation for her reads?

- I think it's a fair rant.
- I've seen strawman tossed around in so many games. Elaborate or it's just a buzzword.
- I'm meh on the newbie card.
- You didn't read the last paragraph. If you ask her for reasons and she ignores you, then I'll concede this point.

He lectures me about the last paragraph, suggesting he read it thoroughly, but calls my argument a buzzword, wants me to elaborate.

Spoiler: I've said what I had to say

Why can't I call out on someone for doing mass one-liners, mass sheeping, bad sheepherding,et cetera?

I assume this is the true reason I'm actually being voted on.

Sounds like a strawman unless someone can confirm voting you for these reasons.

He acts like me saying Kitz gave a fake reason for being voted that she can easily combat, i.e.: mass one-liners, mass sheeping, bad sheepherding, etc. needs further explanation.

VOTE: Grib

so you want to lynch a replacement request? Didn't the klingon wagon start for this very issue?

[dragonspawn]

Focus on the wagons. Ellie can wait till tomorrow. We will be able to talk it through an analyze more data then.

[dragonspawn]

The klingon wagon hinges on her question on whether to lynch slots requesting replacement and not actually voting. NJ actually votes for someone requesting replacement six hours before the deadline. Why the heck is this being ignored?!?!

[dragonspawn]

@Dragonspawn -- I'm not. HEnce the stall of the hammer. i really want people to see NJ is scum.

@Elusive -- oh alright *sniff* As you wish.

you're the only one.

and yet the same people who thing klingons case is so strong are ignoring NJ doing the same thing.

[dragonspawn]

So we lynch klingon because we don't know what naked is. That is dumb reasoning

[dragonspawn]

Wolf, any changes in your reads?

[dragonspawn]

Yikes, 7 pages since I was here last. I need to catch up quick. Before I do that, I am going to catch the vc and update again. We are NOT NLing today. That's a terrible idea. No more talking about claims, it's a distraction. I've been super busy all day and will be busy before deadline but will do my best to help with avoiding a NL. We absolutely should NOT NL on D1 in a game like this.

klingon is at L1. Not that it matters much since you're already voting her

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: Klingon

Lights out bitchees.

so you hammer without notice when an intent to hammer is already given.

[dragonspawn]

If I die lynch this followed by VF please.

There's no way you're dying, we've been over this before.

I agree.

[dragonspawn]

What's the vote count?

L0

[dragonspawn]

Were people really expecting NJ to not hammer his counterwagon?

lol

if he was smart he would have let math do it. Or at least given intent.

[dragonspawn]

of

why on earth should we consider you on the counter wagon when you weren't willing to vote for it? Nothing was stopping you.

[dragonspawn]

(10) Klingoncelt: T S O, SilverWolf, FA_Q2, vikingfan, Aeronaut, Nobody Special, Cheetory6, Albert B. Rampage, pisskop, Ozgin [L-1]
(6) NakedJogger: Kitz, Grib, MathBlade, dragonspawn, elusive, Ellie [L-5]
(1) MathBlade: Shinobi
(1) Ellie: Boonskiies
(1) TSO: Klingoncelt
(1) Grib: NakedJogger

Not voting: Wake88

(expired on 2015-02-22 00:00:00)

Here's vc with accurate timer

abr. This plus NJ vote

[dragonspawn]

of

why on earth should we consider you on the counter wagon when you weren't willing to vote for it? Nothing was stopping you.

Because if KC flips scum then people can hold me accountable for voting on the wrong wagon.

if she flips scum you will have been off the wagon regardless of whether your vote is on nj

[dragonspawn]

DS did it concern you at all that I wanted to vote NJ over Klingon or no?

Pedit: Sure, whatever.

talk is cheap.

[dragonspawn]

I sure hope I don't die tonight.

you're protesting too much.

[dragonspawn]

DS did it concern you at all that I wanted to vote NJ over Klingon or no?

Pedit: Sure, whatever.

talk is cheap.

I can see this entire back-and-forth has gone completely over your head.

not at all. You want credit for being on njs wagon when you weren't. You're saying that it's so everyone can hold you accountable for not being on klingons wagon if she flips scum. But you aren't on klingons wagon. So no one is going to assume you were.

you want to be seen as being on njs wagon without ever committing to it. And if you had you have seen multiple people say they would have considered it with more votes.

it's a scummy tactic partners will use to distance themselves without doing a thing.

[dragonspawn]

Why those three, Wake?

I suspect because he respects my game play. But I could just have a big head.

[dragonspawn]

I want people to consider me as someone on the NJ wagon because it effectively makes me look way more suspicious

Why do you want that?

p-edit oh god look at that fake acting like he even said "cripes" oh holy lord jesus

I'd rather be held accountable for voting incorrectly than for not voting at all/voting uselessly. Or you guys can just consider me a suspect because I wasn't on the wagon. Either/or.

but you aren't voting klingon so if she flips scum we already know you weren't supporting it. So we would already be able to hold you accountable

[dragonspawn]

This thread has succceesssffuully removed

logic

.

When did we involve logic?

[dragonspawn]

But realtalk every other wagon bar Klingoncelt is utter shit - get on Klingon pls.

Sh'up.

You've already been lynched

[dragonspawn]

Btw you could have helped avoid the lynch by voting for the counter wagon

[dragonspawn]

I echo KC's sentiment. The KC lynch was not intelligent. :/ FOS's on Viking Fan NJ TSO

Of course it wasn't intelligent, but even she wasn't voting for the counter wagon. The lynch was inevitable

[dragonspawn]

So ABR claimed Tracker and Pisskop claimed Cop?

Why do people do this so early in Large games?

I thought you were supposed to be watching us and figuring things out. Are you telling me you haven't?

What about the questions I asked you?

@Klingon you aren't helping your case right now. And I'm starting to think I should vote for you just because we will get useful info out. Not to mention I am skeptical of people saying "if I'm lynched town will lose"

Play hard, Avi. For the children.

Wolf should be the next lynch. She knows me well, her push is straight up scum.

For Pony!

[dragonspawn]

So a vigilante or serial killer killed our first scum. Good job.

Going to check out some iso posts

[dragonspawn]

I get Shinobi, but why is Vikingfan getting scumread?

Viking's play has consistently been direct and has more of an outgoing newbtown than scum feel. He says things with confidence, and sometimes it feels like overreaching, but they always seem to show a clear thought process.
. For example, his 88 is similar to how I felt in response to Wake's 54. It's true I didn't like his 416, with how he doesn't explain his 'interesting' feelings towards Silverwolf or Grib, but I couldn't find any scum thinking 422 was adequate on its own. And in 497 he claims he isn't lynchbait, which is more newbtown overestimation. I would imagine any scum would try to play up their potential shelter.

Defending Viking quite a bit. He was also on my wagon rather than vikings.

Im having more serious doubts about Viking

Vote viking

Who did you investigate and what was the result?

[dragonspawn]

So why is it none of the claimed prs were touched?

[dragonspawn]

I'm surprised ika didn't list it here but I was attacked last night and left for dead but was saved (I'm guessing by boon). I'm not sure if it was a result of being saved or not but I didn't get a result, I had investigated Shinobi. otherwise, if my getting attacked didn't stop the result, then I'm guessing pisskop did.

So the roadblocks was killed and yet you were somehow blocked.

And you were attacked but still alive despite the fact that we have two dead. And you know this how exactly?

Sorry. I don't buy it.

And why did you choose shinobi?

[dragonspawn]

VOTE: FA

care to explain? While I still have questions on FA at the moment there seem to be much better options.

[dragonspawn]

What do you mean math?

It's not obvious?

[dragonspawn]

Here's what everyone not voting for vikingfan needs to know:

-He claimed cop day 1 when he was pressured
-On N1, he wasn't nightkilled. With me being "outted as tracker", the scum's actions would be straightforward if he's town. Kill and RB me and viking. Given that there were two kills, that decreases the likelihood of a kill being prevented. There is probably not multiple factions of mafia, as they would usually appear with a variant such as "Sicilian Mafia".
-Now, the most damning piece of evidence, is that

vikingfan claims that he was told that he was protected

. We know that this doesn't happen in normal games. He is straight up lying, trying to explain his survival with another lie.

vikingfan is 100% scum.

I'm agreeing with abr right here. And that doesn't happen often.

[dragonspawn]

@ika, What happens if a player is murdered and healed, are they still able to use their action? What information do they get if any?

A player being healed would not stop them from acting.

If they get feedback or not is dependent on mod and role card wordings.

This is the only thing keeping me from voting VF right now.

If he is being honest, I absolutely believe he was RB'd before Pisskop died. I can also believe scum would RB the cop with all the talk in the thread of the cop needing to be protected.

What I don't believe is this.

I'm surprised ika didn't list it here but I was attacked last night and left for dead but was saved (I'm guessing by boon). I'm not sure if it was a result of being saved or not but I didn't get a result, I had investigated Shinobi. otherwise, if my getting attacked didn't stop the result, then I'm guessing pisskop did.

I can't believe he would be told he was attacked and saved both in a normal, non bastard game.

VF-were you told you were RB'd last night or not?

But why would the scum role black and try to kill the same person? It doesn't make sense. Especially since there were two deaths. Last time I checked doctors dont die when they heal someone.

[dragonspawn]

I think vikingfan is a town cop and telling the truth, but I am okay with his death and will probably hammer him if he reaches L-1.

Wait why on earth would you be alright with lynching someone you think is the cop????

[dragonspawn]

I'm not sure scum would post this:

Sure, they would. She saw Boonskiies crumb doctor and no one else did. That makes her scum. That and everything else she's been posting for the past 2 days is scummy as hell.

dragon, vote viking please.

I voted for him before you did

[dragonspawn]

I still think Kitz and Grib/goodmorning should be scum together. Grib probably saw how weak the case on Kitz was and he jumped on it for safe distancing. Then when there was real reason to scumread Kitz he jumped off, diffusing the pressure. When called out for it he listed up some scummy rubbish.

VOTE: goodmorning

So do you think pisskop was bussing kitz when he was on the wagon or just being scum and jumping on the current wagon at the time?

[dragonspawn]

Put a fork in it Kitz and tell me why any of what I did was scummy or stfu.

@dragon I didn't look at pisskop's voting habits yet but good pointer.

Maybe you should. I rather think it was opportunistic which is why I'm leaning town on kitz now.

@wake are you going to wade into discussion today or just watch? I'd like your opinion on the Viking matter

[dragonspawn]

I have a burning question for this town.

Let's pretend for a moment that we accept the premise that you're told when you're protected.

If scum intended to nightkill viking, as he claims, why did they also roleblock him?

it's precisely this that makes his claim unlikely.

not only that to believe his claim we have to either accept three parties attacking one another last night or the idea that we have a doctor that gets killed in place or the target. I've never heard or a doc like that.

[dragonspawn]

But why would the scum role black and try to kill the same person? It doesn't make sense. Especially since there were two deaths. Last time I checked doctors dont die when they heal someone.

Surely you are aware that there could be two scum factions, yes? One shoots, one protects, same player. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

unlikely. Look at the role for pk. He is just mafia. Not red or blue mafia or some other team designation. Just mafia. So unless we have werewolves floating around it seems unlikely. The second shot is more likely and sk or vigilante.

I also want to note that both the role blocker and doc were both non consecutive. Viking didn't claim any such modification for his cop role. Do you think it's likely we get a plain cop by that the other roles are nonconsecutive?

[dragonspawn]

Wake; were you referring to vf?

I'm referring to you, ABR.

You know set-up. What do you think of vikingfan's claims today regarding what happened to him last night?

...

Actually, what do you think of ABR ignoring my post and apparently pretending that I was referring to vikingfan or said "vf" when I clearly said "VT" and was referring to Albert?

I fairly certain he's not dumb, so I don't understand why he won't be directly honest towards me.

I think it's abr being abr. Could be scum by who knows. I've never seen him this passionate with a good argument like his before.

so why dodge my question and focus on abr?

[dragonspawn]

Wake; were you referring to vf?

I'm referring to you, ABR.

You know set-up. What do you think of vikingfan's claims today regarding what happened to him last night?

...

Actually, what do you think of ABR ignoring my post and apparently pretending that I was referring to vikingfan or said "vf" when I clearly said "VT" and was referring to Albert?

I fairly certain he's not dumb, so I don't understand why he won't be directly honest towards me.

I think it's abr being abr. Could be scum by who knows. I've never seen him this passionate with a good argument like his before.

so why dodge my question and focus on abr?

I'm pretty sure Wolfie is the one who just asked me about VF.

I am focused on ABR at the moment, and would rather not be distracted as I talk over things with him.

I asked first

[dragonspawn]

OK.

So if we have a Cop it's still alive.

It should investigate vikingfan.

Does anyone know if someone claimed Cop already?

If so, judging by the fact that person isn't dead, maybe the dead Doc protected that Cop player, and could mean we're looking at 3 killing factions. The unique part of vf's claim rings a bit with that sentiment.

vf claimed he was told he was attacked and protected, ever heard of this before?

He's the only one who claimed cop so far. He said he got no result last night.

Those unique slots can also include mechanics.

This includes original ones not in the wiki.

Let's think on this for a minute. Why would VF, if Scum, go through the trouble of making an incredibly dubious-sounding claim when he could go the easy route? Do you remember when I claimed Sensor and how everyone reacted in spite of my honesty? Let's not forget the lessons of the past so quickly (I often tell this to myself).

The guy who claimed Doc, sans the RB and our Doc, may be killed Day 2. That much is obvious.

Completely different claim not to mention we were assuming two scum and not one scum and a sk.

You weren't going to survive to day two anyway. Trust me.

So you're saying we wait one more day before we lynch Viking? Not sure in see the point. But I understand the reasoning.

[dragonspawn]

Do we really believe we have three separate attackers going on?

[dragonspawn]

Guts are awesome. I hear every person has one. They help with digestion. Think in the thread.

ABR-made some genuine sounding posts today that made me think he really believes vf is fakeclaiming scum-I don't know why he lied about his tracker claim but apparently that's something he does all the time as either alignment. I don't really see anything scummy here.

vf-may be scum, he was highly scumread and then claimed cop before he got to L-1, then comes back with a very complex claim that isn't really all that believable, OTOH I wonder why anyone fakeclaiming would do such an elaborate claim which makes me think there might be some truth to it, especially after all the other set-up discussion was had, his flip would tell us a lot about those pushing him right now, I think

If I had to pick, he'd be the scum. BUT, I would rather not lynch him because IF he's being honest, I don't want to lynch the cop. SO, I say we wait until tomorrow to see if he survives the night and what his results are and exactly how he receives them and anything else he can tell us to show he's being honest. We give him suggestions on who to check at the end of the day, and he doesn't say who it will be.

So I'm not really up for a lynch on either of these two today and instead, after my V/LA is up:

-ISO pisskop for interactions

-wagon analysis on both wagons

-ISO's and read on people I'm wondering about

-vote

Not to mention pk was defending him.

[dragonspawn]

I think at this point we need to lynch Viking Fan.

Reason being if they are town they aren't likely to live very much longer to provide needed results. I also have significant doubts about their claim.
Secondly a doctor is dead. While possible there may be two docs I don't want to bet on us getting results from VF tomorrow. That bet is just bad.
Thirdly I have seen an assocation in D1 between NJ and VF. If VF is scum then we may be able to get NJ afterward pretty damn quick.

Now let's look at the converse and assume VF is town. Then ABR's play with the fake claim and how he immediately entered suggested a strategy of wanting to lynch VF out of the gate. His entire posting isn't really talking about anyone else and it suggests a certain confidence. One I'd expect him to put his own life behind. Therefore if VF is town then ABR very likely scum.

Therefore lynching VF from my POV will net us 1 scum or 2 in two rounds. It's protown to do as we can't put off lynching VF for results that may never be true or that we may never see.

Yay big sticks are awesome

So logically my head says VikingFan. My gut says ABR. Hence I'm down for both.

So both pk and Viking have an association with nj?

We definitely lynched the wrong one yesterday.

[dragonspawn]

Right now I am seeing a Viking lynch or an mislynch. Nothing else looks to be as promising.

[dragonspawn]

That was supposed to see nj lynch. I hate autocorrect

[dragonspawn]

I think pks defense of naked is something we all need to consider.

tso, Ellie is playing scummy to me, but I think Viking and naked are better suspects right now. I'm still open either way with Ellie though. If she can convince me she is town great. If not I'm all for a good lynching at some point.

[dragonspawn]

Why can't you PM her compliments or something then. Why do you need to shit up the thread with your useless comment? Would you say your circle brown-nosing you've got going on is pro-town? Why?

you're really not in a position to whine about useless comments

[dragonspawn]

The whole nj vs elusive thing is completely irrelevant. Pay no mind to it.

I humbly disagree. This game will not end if Viking is lynched and flips scum. We need everyone discussing everything to catch the scum

[dragonspawn]

oh god guys, kitz is super town

1) Nobody said it was impossible for vf to be lying, not even ABR. The issue is doubt. A lot of us (including myself) are very doubtful of vf's claim, and he hasn't responded to my (that I've noticed) question about what his response PM.

the facts are indisputable

and lead to vf being scum.

VF is lying, pure and simple, in a provable way.

There's no chance

that he's telling the truth

There is no way

that ika would creatively sprinkle a role like that into a normal game.

He has violated basic tenets of mafia normalcy metal and there is a

0% chance that he's town.

Mark my words carefully.

Zero percent.

vikingfan is 100% scum.

Please.

2) Your yelling and capsing and general flaily response isn't necessary.

YES IT IS

CHARACTERISING IT AS FLAILY IS

REALLY WEIRD THOUGH

ABR is town? WOOowowoowW. How did we get here? You yourself have voiced frustration with the pointless vf discussion and whatnot, now you want to townread the guy who gave that shit propellers and made it fly and eclipse the sun?

How very very weird.

Hey look this is a useful thing from NJ what?

I think pks defense of naked is something we all need to consider.

Do you think Scum is obvious about defending their partners?

They can be on day one when they think there is no chance of being dead.

[dragonspawn]

Ill be gone Sunday and back Monday

[dragonspawn]

I leave one day and you rush a lynch. Wake what the heck was that hammer?

I cannot believe vf was telling the truth. That story was bs.

and Ellie was the deputy? WTH! How does her flipping that make us less likely to lynch elusive when she couldn't investigate till vf was dead and had no way of clearing elusive. Those crumbs were absolutely stupid. Is this town a bunch of morons?

we should be looking at abr and wake today imho

[dragonspawn]

I'm definitely going to hold being right about viking over the head of anyone on the viking wagon in our next game together, by the way.

While I have trouble dealing with massive egos, I may be in possession of one on occasion.

you probably shouldn't. The scum knew Viking wasn't scum.

[dragonspawn]

No, his story was not BS. Everyone who said it was BS was lying because even in the most basic form of mafia in Town of Salem the person who survives a murder attempt knows it so why the fuck would this game be any different?

Do you have any original ideas?

Where is your vote?

I haven't decides my vote. But Vikings claim was that he was attacked and saved when two other people were killed and he was role blocked is bs.

if it wasn't bs there is no way over half the people in the game would have lynched him.

[dragonspawn]

Actually, ABR does make a good point - vikingfan was presumably telling the truth, so either it's multiball + SK, or Mafia/SK/Vig.

More likely the latter.

I tend to agree though it is possible everyone just targeted ellie

[dragonspawn]

I'm more annoyed with my mistake than anyone else is at the moment.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

why don't you explain that mistake. You are an experienced player and you come in and hammer with no intent for no discernable reason when we had plenty of time before the deadline. Why make that mistake?

[dragonspawn]

vote abr

if anything holds true in this game he is probably town.

good morning is definitely pinging me today. Rubbing in that he knew Viking was not scum. Something only scum would know. Then becoming more aggressive to me when I point that out.

good morning is so scum gloating right now.

but I can deal with him tomorrow

[dragonspawn]

LOL, did dragonspawn just vote ABR and then right after state "he is probably town"

Oh god, kmn or turn me into a bird so I can fly away.

Shinobi, I suggest you try to produce content that is relevant because Kitz is off limits. Here try these words: logic, analysis, case, evidence, and work from there.

What's the matter? You asked for my vote on abr. I gave it and suddenly you are upset. Why?

He has fake claimed multiple times. Even if he is town he is a liability due to bad credibility. We may as well get his lynch over with now rather than be distracted with it days down the line.

But considering the posts poor game our town is playing I fully suspect he is town.

[dragonspawn]

Ellie is not here today boasting she was right.

[dragonspawn]

I'm not scum reading mathblade. Not do I see a policy lynch reason

[dragonspawn]

Ellie was a player, who regardless of role, was NKed by scum night one very often because her reads were so good and right. So she could have boasted if she weren't dead.

Everyone vote MathBlade please.

There is a reason, try trusting someone else then that Pied Piper please.

Why not lay out a case then? Why should we just sheep you?

And hey not abr now?

[dragonspawn]

MathBlade, the spirit of Ellie keeps me from going into Crazy mode. Still useful to town even in death, moreso then the actual deadweight.

Ellie couldn't possibly have any relevant information. She had no time to investigate

[dragonspawn]

ABR will be dealt with another way.

Scumclaim?