New York 180 (Endgame)

[Wake1]

And so it's begun.

I'll reserve my vote, and keep watch for now.

We decimated Scum in Newbie 1565, so I'm feeling a little better about this game.

[Wake1]

Good morning town *rubs eyes sleepily*

vote dragon

for voting wake .

Let's nail this guy for buddying me.

Hi FA, Could you do me a favor and get an avatar? It makes it easier for me to tell who is who around here.

Wake-Why don't you want to vote? All the cool kids are doing it.

Why you wanna have me vote?

[Wake1]

Why you wanna have me vote?

Why are you avoiding a vote? that's not like you.

Who says I was avoiding?

Huh? HUH? You got somethin' to hide, huh?

Good morning town *rubs eyes sleepily*

vote dragon

for voting wake .

Let's nail this guy for buddying me.

Yet, you don't vote for him. Why?

Because we got, what, 13 days? So, yeah, I'm not sure how paranoid you're feelin', but when I said "hey, let's nail this guy for buddying me," it means "hey, let's vote this guy off for buddying me in one post." Day's over folks. We've all made up our minds about vikingfan. Board up your house and say a prayer VF, 'cause we're coming for ya.

Well, no. I'm just stirring up reactions and discussion to see what happens. Little stuff here and there. Of course, I could just take a siesta and wait for something worthwhile to discuss pop up. Hrm, that sounds good right about now, considering I've been caring for brain-damaged people all day long. *Is bitching*

I don't really feel like voting for him right now, though I do wanna see a wagon on him form. Kinda like when you drop a plump goldfish into a piranha tank and sit back with a bag of candied almonds and scotch. I'm thinking you're smart and will lap up my heartfelt suggestion and see to it that VF meets his ultimate demise today. I mean, he really is a dastardly fellow who deserves all the scorn he gets from this point on. In fact, I might not even have to vote him, and let the rest of my Town minions do my work for me.

Wake-Why don't you want to vote? All the cool kids are doing it.

But I DO want to vote. Honestly I do, I do!

...but on

my

terms.

[Wake1]

Why you wanna sell a lynch from the sidelines?

Easy.

Tuition.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Wake

Cause Bandwagons are cool.

unvote

cause I'm not that cool

No one who plays games on the internet is cool.

Just ask your adult coworkers.

What's wrong with more than one vote on wake?

Nothing, really. I don't mind the excitement, and if caring for psychotic people doesn't phase me, then prolly nothing here will, either.

So I'll likely be sipping my warm cup of jasmine green tea and taking in the scenery and have 9 votes on me, and I'll simply be like "ah, this tea's so good. Whuh? Whazzat? Votes on me? So? Really? Yeah, can kinda see that. Nah, this tea's good. Shoo." And then the pesky, agitated mob will have a moment of profound silence and likely look from some other target with an anxiety bone to snap. Wait, what's pressure again? Is that that feeling when you let loose a solid one early in the morning? Pisskop looks like the kinda guy who might buckle under pressure. Maybe? I dunno.

[Wake1]

Hmm...three votes on Grib. That's odd so soon.

FA_QT and crosboss, avatars?

Vote TSO

for being late to the party.

Not really. Game's got 21 peeps.

What are you doing there?

[Wake1]

I don't like this kitz bastard.

Anyone who sounds like a candy bar cannot be trusted.

[Wake1]

I'm curious what

FA_Q2

's gutread on

House

is atm.

Wait a minute.

Dragonspawn

, I'd like to know if you know me offsite. Please nod your head 'yes' if so.

Would like to know

vikingfan

's motive in 23.

The point in 24 where

Silverwolf

asks why I don't want to vote when I actually said I'll reserve my vote for now... feels off. Slight difference there. I do want to vote, but I'd prefer to be reserved with it. Something about Scum-Belisarius trying to get me to vote on a mislynch.

I dunno what

Cheetory

's 28 is.

Vote reservation's part of my meta.

This playerlist is good.

Pressure on

croboss

may not be a bad idea.

Agreed on

dragonspawn

's 44.

I've nothing to hide, so not even putting me to L-1 will make me bat an eye. *Shrug*

acryon

and

Silverwolf

, curiosity has me wondering whether or not you feel

elusive

's 48 (line 1) feels genuine.

Not sure about

NakedJogger

's reaction (60).

Am hoping

Shinobi

's intent in 74 is genuine. Scrutiny his way is fine.

Viewing

acryon

with slight favor due to his 79.

The exchanges in 74, 80, and 81 may be a worthwhile starting point.

I want to pry as many reactions out of you as I can,

vikingfan

, and it's only just begun.

Feeling some of the votes on

TSO

may be opportunistic.

As for my strengths and weaknesses, I'll leave that guesswork up to you.

[Wake1]

Not that I forgot. I had an inkling.

[Wake1]

This playerlist is the opposite of suck. Let's keep it that way.

[Wake1]

but all I'm doing is questioning why

you don't want to vote at all

There it is again.

...

[Wake1]

What do you think comprises 'being Town,'

elusive

?

[Wake1]

but all I'm doing is questioning why

you don't want to vote at all

There it is again.

...

Not wanting to vote at all means right now Wake and not for the rest of the game and I think you are very well aware of what I meant by that and I also think you are very well aware of how I dislike my words being taken out of context or twisted. :/

I'm weighing your words because I too am wary when it comes to them being taken out of context, if only subtly.

Got my peepers on you.

[Wake1]

but all I'm doing is questioning why

you don't want to vote at all

There it is again.

...

Not wanting to vote at all means right now Wake and not for the rest of the game and I think you are very well aware of what I meant by that and I also think you are very well aware of how I dislike my words being taken out of context or twisted. :/

...great, another faint bell rings in the distance.

Silverwolf, do you normally use stream-of-conscious posting as Town?

[Wake1]

What do you think comprises 'being Town,'

elusive

?

Elusive's Guide to What Compromises Being Town
Written by a Not Expert Who Is Most Definitely Not an Expert or Even a Journeywoman but a Novice or a Baby Novice
Do Not Try This At Home Or in a Fireplace

1. Ask many questions of people, sometimes the same ones (fluff questions, mechanics questions, for reads and stuff like that)
2. Once you get a hunch or a vibe or a gut feel then hone in on the target and pressure them lots
3. Your horoscope does not in any way refer to what is going on in the mafia games so don't use that as a sign even though it could be eerily similar
4. Enjoy the game because otherwise if you think about it realistically then basically you are kind of a masochist aren't you?

You'll do fine.

[Wake1]

Never be afraid to ask questions, or hold someone's feet to the fire.

[Wake1]

but all I'm doing is questioning why

you don't want to vote at all

There it is again.

...

Not wanting to vote at all means right now Wake and not for the rest of the game and I think you are very well aware of what I meant by that and I also think you are very well aware of how I dislike my words being taken out of context or twisted. :/

...great, another faint bell rings in the distance.

Silverwolf, do you normally use stream-of-conscious posting as Town?

Do you even know who I am Wake? Have you not played with me before and modded many a game I have played in?

Yes, I do that all the time.

It's been awhile, and a lot has happened since then.

Guess I'll take your word on it, because that does feel true, in spite of my poor recollection.

What may be my greatest edge could also be my greatest weakness. I can be extremely intense if I interrogate someone I suspect. 'Course, if I'm wrong, that could be a bad thing. Or not, if it garners reactions.

[Wake1]

Like I said earlier, I tend to piss people off. This is one example.

Wolf is town. She's easy to read.

You sure she's not emulating?

She's got more than a few games under her belt, yanno.

[Wake1]

The point in 24 where

Silverwolf

asks why I don't want to vote when I actually said I'll reserve my vote for now... feels off. Slight difference there. I do want to vote, but I'd prefer to be reserved with it. Something about Scum-Belisarius trying to get me to vote on a mislynch.


Vote reservation's part of my meta.

1)

It's really

2)

not

Or, not in the games I've played with you.

1)

12 votes in a Large Normal with 21 players and 2,850 posts. You may be disproving your point.

2)

That's a 'FoS'.

...

[Wake1]

ITT, Shinobi doesn't take the opportunity to respond to 112.

[Wake1]

Which three?

[Wake1]

ITT, Shinobi doesn't take the opportunity to respond to 112.

What exactly am I responding to?

You don't know?

Perhaps you should read it.

[Wake1]

ika, please overlook that.

[Wake1]

No, I don't see anything that I should be responding to in that post. No questions, no nothing. Am I missing something?

Aero, you know if Shinobi normally ignores content in posts like this?

[Wake1]

One thing I deal with, due to past foolish actions, is Scum trying to bank on me to win them the game.

Since talking with more than some people about how to play better and be kinder, times are a'changing.

Been playing a whole lot nicer and working with others more, and now keep getting invited to play in games.

The real problem is real-life work totally f***** my ability to play this awesome game with those I appreciate and respect.

If I'm in a good mood and have time, I can hit hard with really big, thorough posts. Can be a very sharp smartass at times, if you poke me.

Scum tried hard to manipulate me in Newbie 1565 (Belisarius and Elbirn). Both are awesome players, and I helped turn the tables on them. Still can't get over how sneakily Beli tried to divert my attention.

If I sound really nice, agreeable, active, and reasonable, like I'm really calm and helpful,

watch out

. I've been kind enough to warn people of this earlier and I still win as Scum. I don't recall ever being lynched as Scum on this site, or offline (if I'm wrong lemme know please). My Town-game is weaker, because of all that paranoia stuff goin' on.

[Wake1]

Wake, I miss the cheeky pictures in between your analysis(s)

[Wake1]

T S O's catchup was good, IMO... however it does seem sort off from what your average T S O does work-wise. It almost struck me as a Wake post, which is basically the polar opposite.

Which post is that, and what's a 'Wake' post?

[Wake1]

Grib

(37) | (89) | (103) | (218) | (220) | (221)

What We Know

Votes Silverwolf in 37. Votes FA_Q2 in 89. Says he wants to see what happens in regards to Wolfie's inquiry into his naked vote (103). Complains of fluffy spam in 218, and asks FA_Q2 to pressure him. Makes known his dread for Large games in 220, and opines in 221 that Boonskiies is suspicious in general, and, though unasked, tells acryon he thinks he's Town.

How I'm Reading This

His apparent reason for voting FA_Q2 is fine with me, because in general it's good to vote somebody to spur reactions. My case is special, because my history contains those who either kill me first, or try to manipulate my intense focus. By withholding my vote, they cannot control it, and I'll swing my sword down when

I

am ready. His complaining of spam and fluff feels misplaced, because it's not like he's been doing much, and he can certainly wade into the discussion and contribute instead of complaining. Instead of asking someone to pressure him, perhaps he should be trying to pressure others? While I don't get the feeling these events are suspicious, they do feel neutral at best, and sub-optimal at worst. Am curious why he thinks Boonskiies is suspicious in general.

What I do find just a bit suspicious is his seemingly out-of-place comment that he thinks acryon is Town so very early in this game.

Where The Player Stands

Unremarkable Neutrality.

Instead of complaining, do please contribute. An explanation for your unsought and untimely trust in acryon ought to be given in detail.

[Wake1]

...interesting. Thank you.

[Wake1]

Why would they tell us who they would like to instead of actually voting?

Because Wake is a paranoid freak about his vote and won't cast it unless he's good and ready because apparently it's so special we all want to manipulate it and force him to put it where we want it to go.

Paranoia is sort of justified in Mafia, when you actually do have people in your group that want to deceive and murder you, so...

And as was said before, Scum-Belisarius is just one example of Scum trying to get me to mislynch someone. *Can provide links.

[Wake1]

Paranoia is sort of justified in Mafia, when you actually do have people in your group that want to deceive and murder you, so...

And as was said before, Scum-Belisarius is just one example of Scum trying to get me to mislynch someone. *Can provide links.

Who would you vote for if you had to right now?

Not sure.

We have limited knowledge,

and I can already see the kvetching from various sorts no matter who I vote

and I would rather vote when I feel good about it. The game just started. What is the justification for voting someone currently, when we have barely had enough discussion to warrant votes based on analysis and reads?

Who would

you

vote for, and why? Is it based on knowledge, guesswork, feeling, or a combination of the three? We don't have workable knowledge, because no deaths or claims have occurred. Guesswork and feeling is rampant, and more often than not, incorrect. You ask me who I would vote for right now, and I say I simply don't know, because I don't, and if that is not good enough for you then there is not much else I can tell you at the moment, because my life does not revolve around this awesomely complex game.

I do have initial feelings regarding certain players, but you practically demand that I vote yet will undoubtedly scoff at the feelings behind the reasoning for said vote. You probably want me to vote in order to pick apart and attack it, which in itself is disingenuous, and further makes me want to choose my actions wisely, because I like to have solid reasoning behind each and every one of my actions in general. If I felt your intentions were honest, that you wanted to know who I'd vote for without also planning to attack it, I'd be more inclined to do so.

Who would I vote for right now? I don't know, and I am perfectly fine with that.

[Wake1]

It's interesting because I see what you're saying but you're also removing kind of an aspect of the game that remains as a record. I mean votes are also done for reactions.

However, since you aren't voting - what do you plan to do - just scum hunt until you're ready?

Fight the PEER PRESSURE TO DO STUFF.

It's kind of scary.

How long have you been playing Mafia?

[Wake1]

Scarcity creates value.

It applies to gold and virtually everything else.

How much power does the player who votes tens or hundreds of times in a game have?

[Wake1]

I do have initial feelings regarding certain players, but you practically demand that I vote yet will undoubtedly scoff at the feelings behind the reasoning for said vote. You probably want me to vote in order to pick apart and attack it, which in itself is disingenuous, and further makes me want to choose my actions wisely, because I like to have solid reasoning behind each and every one of my actions in general. If I felt your intentions were honest, that you wanted to know who I'd vote for without also planning to attack it, I'd be more inclined to do so.

WTF is up with this? I don't even know what to say to this. You don't want anyone to question your vote? I wasn't planning on attacking you Wake.

TSO picked apart my vote on him twice and said he didn't like it. Cheetory didn't like the tone of some of my posts and said so. Do you see me freaking out and squeezing a stress ball in the corner? Well, if I was squeezing a stress ball you wouldn't see it but just visualize it Wake.

I'm not sure what this is all about. I want to say townie paranoia but I'm not wanting to townread this behavior or call it scummy. Maybe just null for now and keep an eye on it.

You have it completely wrong.

If I get into this game, it will create chaos. If I start to move things and stir the waters, things will happen. By nature I am a catalyst. Taking off these restraints and seeing to it that things happen in this game may cause some to not want to play with my style. It may sound self-aggrandizing to you, but it isn't, but the truth, and is both an immense strength and an immense weakness. I can be a very powerful player, but I can't really play if I turn some players off because of it.

There is no paranoia. There's only the restrained yet fearless desire to pierce through everything and everyone in order to pull out the truth. You stab at things to see how they bleed in Mafia. Some people don't like being aggressively interrogated. I'm not stressed at all. I don't want to seem to over-powering, because it's not fun having few to play with (we're not talking trolling or uncivil behavior: just being a strong-willed personality).

[Wake1]

Oh, and I also have an extreme dislike for mislynching people (Because I hate being mislynched, too).

[Wake1]

Wait so Wake you're saying you're basically extremely aggressive and hurt people's feelings and stuff and that's why you're being all mysterious and bringing in silly "scarcity" discussion into mafia theory and why votes (or not voting) are important? Oh boy. So are you Rampage on steroids in your natural element or is this something totally different?

No and no.

[Wake1]

Still here.

Dealing with irl stuff again, fighting to find time and energy to

play

. Worked 72 hours in six days.

Should even out by next week. On

Limited Access

until next week.

[Wake1]

That's an awful lot of votes on vikingfan.

A one-sentence reason would be swell.

Fighting to get into this massive game.

[Wake1]

Oh boy, now I'm curious.

[Wake1]

Explicitly non-normal roles cannot be in Normal games, in spite of the slots that allow unique roles. The Fruit Vendor, for example, isn't on the 'Normal' whitelist, nor is it considered 'explictly non-normal,' so it would be allowed. If somewhere I am completely wrong on this, please let me know immediately.

[Wake1]

Explicitly non-normal roles cannot be in Normal games, in spite of the slots that allow unique roles. The Fruit Vendor, for example, isn't on the 'Normal' whitelist, nor is it considered 'explictly non-normal,' so it would be allowed. If somewhere I am completely wrong on this, please let me know immediately.

I appreciate the clarification. Would have been nice if you would have confirmed the conversation I referred to on USMB.

I've read less than 1/4 of the posts in this game so far, and have remembered even less. Got my radial artery nicked by a patient who violently scratches people, so last night I spent in the hospital being bandaged up and observed.

[Wake1]

The deadline is in 4 days. I don't have time for this. I'm the town tracker. Let's lynch someone else.

HRM...

[Wake1]

Planning to get back in on Thursday.

Having to completely modify how I play to adapt to these strict time constraints.

[Wake1]

OK.

It's Thursday.

Going to wade in now.

[Wake1]

pisskop, you seem like you want people to think you're town, but are actually scum.

So what exactly makes you think that?

[Wake1]

pisskop, you seem like you want people to think you're town, but are actually scum.

So what exactly makes you think that?

Hi Ellie. Not sure if you missed it, but I asked you a question.

[Wake1]

So ABR claimed Tracker and Pisskop claimed Cop?

Why do people do this so early in Large games?

[Wake1]

I wish there was an extremely succinct outline of what's happened so far this game.

Would make not getting lost a whole lot easier. Either that, or I'll simply disregard what's happened so far, since I can't expend the time to read 1400 posts and dissect them all for associations.

[Wake1]

It really bugs me that Wake isn't voting or playing.

I don't have the time to read 1500 posts.

I'm Town, and if you're a member of Town as well you should try to help out your fellow members by giving an extremely short outline of what has happened so far.

Give me a little info and it'll help me play this game and vote.

[Wake1]

Wake, town can figure out a game by talking to people, asking questions, and skimming ISOs. Scum have trouble faking that so they sit on their hands and complain about how many pages they missed.

Speaking of asking questions, you ignored me twice, which makes your post ironic.

As for your second statement, you're woefully incorrect. Never make assumptions about Scum, or what you think they would do.

[Wake1]

I'd like to know why ABR claimed Tracker when he wasn't even at L1.

[Wake1]

Boonskiies, what do you make of Ellie persistently ignoring my questions?

I know she's far more active than I am, so I don't understand her excuse (if she even has one).

[Wake1]

Also, ABR's ISO is worth a look into; he claimed tracker, and we don't know if he's scum falsely fake claiming, scum actually fake claiming, town actually claiming, or town fake claiming.

How about you draw a conclusion instead of posting a bunch of nothing?

Pedit: Stop talking about the possibility of fakeclaims because no other lynches are going to happen besides Klingon or NJ.

I am ashamed to have to pedit this.

But seriously, stop it. It's just white noise and none of it is relevant right now.

So is it true you don't want people looking into why ABR claimed Tracker without good reason?

If it is true, then what's your motive for doing so?

[Wake1]

I'd like to know why ABR claimed Tracker when he wasn't even at L1.

Neither was VF when they claimed.

Did not know that.

Why? I don't get it.

[Wake1]

Wake & Oz:

Vikingfan claimed cop at L2 or L3 I believe so there was pressure
ABR, under no pressure, claimed town tracker
Klingoncelt under light pressure (less than half a wagon) claimed Vanilla and then later claimed that town would lose if they lynched her
NakedJoggers like a few others (pisskop and Boonskiies) focused excessively on the newer players such as myself or Kitz or etc to be scum but don't really pursue\hunt\question or ignore attempts to answer questions. NakedJoggers also seemed to want to elicit reactions from me or Kitz but probably not the kind he expected. Then see MathBlade ISO.
Also resistance to NJ's lynch makes me wonder.

Boonskiies you're NOU is boring, do you have any other scumspects or want to actually lead a wagon on with you know reasoning? Also totally shipping Dragonboon or Boonspawn. Also, you a TVD fan?

See, that helps.

Imo there's never a good reason to claim until at least at L-1, and even then you should wait until intent to hammer is expressed.

Klingon claiming VT while under little pressure, but then saying Town would lose without her doesn't, well, add up.

I'd like to hear more about the current NakedJogger issue before I do anything. Please help me understand.

[Wake1]

Wake, town can figure out a game by talking to people, asking questions, and skimming ISOs. Scum have trouble faking that so they sit on their hands and complain about how many pages they missed.

Speaking of asking questions, you ignored me twice, which makes your post ironic.

As for your second statement, you're woefully incorrect. Never make assumptions about Scum, or what you think they would do.

No. You said you were going to "wade in" & catch up. Then TWO posts later, you asked me to do something... that I did on the previous page. Proving that you did NOT wade in. Proving you are lazy active lurking SCUM who decided not to read the game and is now

out of his depth

.

You're behaving stupidly, and probably don't understand the nuances and circumstances involved.

I'd explain it to you, but I'm not sure how receptive you are to new ideas or revelations.

[Wake1]

I'd like to know why ABR claimed Tracker when he wasn't even at L1.

Neither was VF when they claimed.

Did not know that.

Why? I don't get it.

False. VF was under A LOT of pressure, and would have been lynched.

If you think Mathblade's post here is false, does that mean you think she is lying?

[Wake1]

question: do we want to ask for a claim from NJ at this point for full information? We know what klingon claims to be and I'm not a fan of lynching NJ without a claim.

I would rather just lynch klingon without any more softclaims or regular claims personally but unfortunately it takes a majority.

Also, mathblade's claim that I claimed with no pressure is just outright lying.

And I hate how Wake is playing right now.

If you get someone to L-1, it's generally better to have the person claim when intent to hammer is set.

I could see pressuring Klingon for answers tomorrow, but that's just me.

There are a lot of things in life I hate but I have the temperance to be quiet about it and not behave like an irritated child. If you think there's something you don't like in how I'm playing at the moment, you can speak up, but show some tact and respect about it. Keep in mind I only ever attack in response.

[Wake1]

I've played with Mathblade, F2F. She definitely wasn't purposely lying.

Ok. But you say that what she said was false.

This means both of you should try to be on the same page.

[Wake1]

recap:

shinobi lead tso push. Tso speaks, the wagon falls apart.

Viking digs himself a hole. A counter wagon on me starts. It falls apart and Viking looks more scummy claims cop.

house and I discuss his horse

wagon on abr starts till he claims tracker for no apparent reason.

klingon asks something stupid and a wagon pops up. Still here.

I don't particularly like the wagon so I've been looking for alternatives. Since we have a deadline I'm settling on the nk counter wagon cause I've found him scummier than klingon. Course we still have time.

if I've missed anything let me know. And answer my questions wake

In a nutshell, what do you make of Shinobi's play thus far?

How soon did a counter-wagon on you form once VF apparently dug himself a hole? Him claiming Cop is rather serious business.

Are you certain ABR claimed without any apparent reason?

I would appreciate it if you explained to me why the NJ lynch is more deserved than the other players you have listed in this post.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Ellie

I'm on neither of the main wagons anyways.

So if time starts to run out who would you settle on?

[Wake1]

@Everyone:

If you had to choose between pisskop, Ellie, and vikingfan, which would you go for and why?

BONUS:

List these three in order from most suspicious to least.

[Wake1]

@Everyone:

If you had to choose between pisskop, Ellie, and vikingfan, which would you go for and why?

BONUS:

List these three in order from most suspicious to least.

Why are you doing this now with 9 hours to deadline? especially with night results upcoming?

Why are you attempting to stifle discussion?

[Wake1]

Viking Ellie pisskop

I'm highly skeptical of Vikings claim. Ellie has been soft claiming mason with elusive and elusive denies it

wake when are you going to answer my questions?

Highlight those questions in numbered format please, and I'll answer them to the best of my abilities.

[Wake1]

1)wake, do you usually watch as much as you are in this game? 2) Or is there something specific you are hoping to see before you vote?

3)And what do you think of vikings wagon so far?

numbers added per wakes request.

1) Not normally, no. Since 3-4 months ago I've started working 40+ hours a week at a hospital caring for patients with brain injuries. Before then, I had a lot of time to contribute. Now I don't, but I do have a fat wallet now.

2) In general I don't like being mislynched. I also don't like mislynching others, and having that guilt. It's also unsavory if the one getting mislynched takes it the wrong way and behaves like a douchnozzle and takes it personally even after the game ends. I've experienced that.

3) Don't know much about VF, or his wagon. I've been working many days straight while collapsing to sleep in-between, without much if any time to read, study, and analyze the goings-on of this current game.

[Wake1]

Ellie claimed?

[Wake1]

Ellie claimed?

Sort of. Soft claimed. Not saying what as obvs Ellie doesn't want it shared. :/

But yes I believe ellie. You'd need to lynch me before her. That's how sure I am.

You'd trust a soft-claim over a Day 1 Cop claim?

[Wake1]

Again, all these counterwagons are really dangerous and could prevent us getting a lynch today. Wake,

stop

suggesting 3 new wagons. Consolidate on the ones we have - Klingoncelt is the biggest and the best.

The fault in your reasoning is your assumption that I'm suggesting three new wagons.

The truth of the matter is that I am and will continue asking questions as I wish.

Now I'd like to know why you'd rush to saying I'm suggesting new wagons when that's not true at all.

[Wake1]

Regarding the one who claimed Cop, he should be protected Night 1.

When his results should be made known is a good question.

If he gets a 'No Result,' he should say so.

Should he be lying and the real Cop is latent, he/she should stay that way for now.

[Wake1]

Hrm. I don't think I've voted at all yet.

Not hammering if I'm fully uncertain.

[Wake1]

If KC flips Town there's gotta be at least two Scum on that wagon. (in my opinion)

[Wake1]

Silverwolf, how you think of TSO atm?

[Wake1]

Why won't you take a stand on something?

"Why won't you take a stand and vote?"

*Wake votes someone*

"Why are you doing that? You're Scum! YOU'RE SCUM! RAH!!"

[Wake1]

Silverwolf, how you think of TSO atm?

Completely null.

Since you've been active far longer than me, is there anything he' done that you can remember?

And of those, anything that nudges you—if even slightly—one way or another when it comes to alignment?

[Wake1]

Why won't you take a stand on something?

"Why won't you take a stand and vote?"

*Wake votes someone*

"Why are you doing that? You're Scum! YOU'RE SCUM! RAH!!"

Wake, We are close to deadline and anyone not trying to avoid a NL on D1 is scummy to me. How can I possibly read you when you don't vote or take a stand on something? Earlier you said you didn't want to read the game.

Seriously Wake, I can't read you like this.

Careful. When Scum-Belisarius got cheeky with me we nailed him.

I don't have to hammer if Mathblade says she will, which removes the possibility of you trying to pin the blame on me should she turn out to be a mislynch.

And it's not that I don't vote or want to take a stand on anything. It's that time is making it so I

can't

.

[Wake1]

Silverwolf, how you think of TSO atm?

Completely null.

I have most definitely done enough to not be a completely null read.

So is your nullness a misperception on Silver's part, or a deliberate act on yours?

[Wake1]

Why won't you take a stand on something?

"Why won't you take a stand and vote?"

*Wake votes someone*

"Why are you doing that? You're Scum! YOU'RE SCUM! RAH!!"

Wake, We are close to deadline and anyone not trying to avoid a NL on D1 is scummy to me. How can I possibly read you when you don't vote or take a stand on something? Earlier you said you didn't want to read the game.

Seriously Wake, I can't read you like this.

Careful. When Scum-Belisarius got cheeky with me we nailed him.

I don't have to hammer if Mathblade says she will, which removes the possibility of you trying to pin the blame on me should she turn out to be a mislynch.

And it's not that I don't vote or want to take a stand on anything. It's that time is making it so I

can't

.

Are you threatening me with a scumread for scumhunting you? Where did I say you needed to hammer or tell you who to vote for? You haven't taken a stand on anything this game while the rest of us have. So yeah, you don't take any heat regardless but you aren't scumhunting either.

You appear to be having a habit of misinterpreting the things I've been saying.

Belisarius tried to get me to vote in Newbie 1565, for a mislynch, and he was Scum.

Similarly, you seem to be trying hard to get me to vote.

[Wake1]

1) Silver's obviously town Wake.

2) Idk what you're doing here but you need to focus your attention elsewhere.

1) You don't know her.

2) Why?

[Wake1]

I'm curious whether or not there's at least one Scum among ABR, Shinobi, and DS.

Hm...

Thoughts?

[Wake1]

Not loving the wake vs SW thing. Wake antagonize or tunnel someone else, not reading the game is scummy. Not moving the game forward is also scummy. If you can't catch up then at least tunnel someone for reactions.

Making demands doesn't work on me. I would advise you to not order others to do as you want. Words to the wise.

I'm curious whether or not there's at least one Scum among ABR, Shinobi, and DS.

Hm...

Thoughts?

Do you think there is scum there Wake? Who and why? Why these 3?

In my view ABR only if he's lying and idk, Shinobi and DS are not really scummy to me, atm.

I'm not sure. You know, that's why I said I was curious. And I'd rather ask about three 'cause I like that number, and it's more reasonable than asking, say, 20. Got a gut feeling that one of them could be Scum, but it's way too early and I need to read more to get a better grasp of their natures this time around. Doesn't feel to me like Scum would claim Cop unprovoked like that Day 1.

[Wake1]

Wake is sort of like The Godfather, except that instead of leaving a horsehead in your bed, he just says "I will leave a horse head in your bed eventually if I get to it but in the meantime what's your favorite flavor of Gogurt?"

Eh.

Gimme time and we'll see.

I got a busy schedule.

[Wake1]

I'm planning to implement a new strategy into this game soon.

Should make up for the time constraints.

[Wake1]

?

[Wake1]

(

Albert B. Rampage

)

You mentioned in 694, 711, and 744 that you wanted Boonskiies lynched. You reiterated this sentiment in 893 and 896. Then it looks like you did something similar with Kitz. At some point in the game you went back and forth between them. I would like to better understand why you were voting and pushing for their lynches while apparently not offering much reason for doing so yourself.

[Wake1]

[Wake1]

Mafia's a game that requires you to talk and do things.

This pic I've found is pretty useful.

[Wake1]

Sorry, I realized during the night that I had mixed up my role pms with another game. I'm unfortunately a VT. My bad...

Some people don't like being VT in games, but end up being part of the Town anyways. I've had that feeling more than a few times in past Mafia games here. My perspective on being a VT is that you practically have the most amount of freedom to speak your mind as possible.

Do you think this sentiment of his deserves a scumread? I certainly don't. And I do wonder the motives of those who think otherwise.

[Wake1]

The tacit assumption that disagreeing with him meant you were somehow defending viking made me particularly annoyed, as did "indisputable."

Ellie defended vikingfan, not when she disagreed with me, but when she defended him.

Sorry, I realized during the night that I had mixed up my role pms with another game. I'm unfortunately a VT. My bad...

Some people don't like being VT in games, but end up being part of the Town anyways. I've had that feeling more than a few times in past Mafia games here. My perspective on being a VT is that you practically have the most amount of freedom to speak your mind as possible.

Do you think this sentiment of his deserves a scumread? I certainly don't. And I do wonder the motives of those who think otherwise.

I don't understand who's sentiment you're talking about. How is that related to what you quoted? Who's motives are you questioning?

Your sentiment, where you said "...I'm unfortunately a VT..." It's directly related if you read and absorb the post honestly. I question the motives of anyone else who think you should be scumread because you expressed some displeasure at being a Vanilla Townie.

[Wake1]

Wake; were you referring to vf?

I'm referring to you, ABR.

[Wake1]

Wake; were you referring to vf?

I'm referring to you, ABR.

You know set-up. What do you think of vikingfan's claims today regarding what happened to him last night?

...

Actually, what do you think of ABR ignoring my post and apparently pretending that I was referring to vikingfan or said "vf" when I clearly said "VT" and was referring to Albert?

I fairly certain he's not dumb, so I don't understand why he won't be directly honest towards me.

[Wake1]

Wake...I know you're talking ABOUT me, you quoted me. I'm asking who you're talking TO. Viking?

I'm talking to you.

Normally, when you quote someone and make a post, it's assumed a conversation with the person is being initiated.

If you need help with forming new neural paths, or working on your communication skills, I know of a good speech therapist or two,

[Wake1]

Wake; were you referring to vf?

I'm referring to you, ABR.

You know set-up. What do you think of vikingfan's claims today regarding what happened to him last night?

At this point I am unaware of most of the goings-ons with vikingfan.

The concept of Setup I am aware, but not this current game's one.

I feel you would like me to focus on VF and I may want to in the future, but at this point I am a bit puzzled by ABR's reactions, so if you would please forgive me, I would rather better understand the meaning behind his apparent misunderstandings.

[Wake1]

Wake, I don't understand what you're saying. If it's important, tell me again. Who are you talking about when you say "anyone else".

I question the motives of anyone else who think you should be scumread

Who is anyone else?

ANyone else in general.

I glanced through some of the latest pages and someone mentioned it was scummy that you were apparently displeased at being a Vanilla Townie. At this very exact moment I don't recall the person's name, but I could look through those pages again, though I don't particularly want to because of AACBIS examination dates.

[Wake1]

vk's claim:

-requires 3 kill attempts last night
-required that someone tried to kill him and someone else tried to RB him
-requires he was told if he was protected
-required he was told that someone tried to kill him.

@Nobody Special/Wake or anyone who has modded Large Normals

Is this a possibility at all?

Please bear with me as I ask you for more information.

His claim requires that there be 3 kill attempts last night? Am I misunderstanding? Please clarify if I am. I know Large games only allow two unique slots, and there's also a 'red list' of roles that can't happen in Large Normals, like Jesters or Nexus'.

He also has to be rb'd and attempted nk'd at the same time? Sounds highly impractical. However, Wolfie, remember that I too was given an insanely powerful role by a certain somebody in a certain game that ended recently. Sometimes there is more danger hidden under the benign doctor or tracker claim, than the one that sounds unbelievable.

[Wake1]

Wake; were you referring to vf?

I'm referring to you, ABR.

You know set-up. What do you think of vikingfan's claims today regarding what happened to him last night?

...

Actually, what do you think of ABR ignoring my post and apparently pretending that I was referring to vikingfan or said "vf" when I clearly said "VT" and was referring to Albert?

I fairly certain he's not dumb, so I don't understand why he won't be directly honest towards me.

I think it's abr being abr. Could be scum by who knows. I've never seen him this passionate with a good argument like his before.

so why dodge my question and focus on abr?

I'm pretty sure Wolfie is the one who just asked me about VF.

I am focused on ABR at the moment, and would rather not be distracted as I talk over things with him.

[Wake1]

But why would the scum role black and try to kill the same person? It doesn't make sense. Especially since there were two deaths. Last time I checked doctors dont die when they heal someone.

Surely you are aware that there could be two scum factions, yes? One shoots, one protects, same player. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

unlikely. Look at the role for pk. He is just mafia. Not red or blue mafia or some other team designation. Just mafia. So unless we have werewolves floating around it seems unlikely. The second shot is more likely and sk or vigilante.

I also want to note that both the role blocker and doc were both non consecutive. Viking didn't claim any such modification for his cop role. Do you think it's likely we get a plain cop by that the other roles are nonconsecutive?

Werewolves is a possibility. Serial Killer is another. So is Vigilante.

[Wake1]

vk's claim:

-requires 3 kill attempts last night
-required that someone tried to kill him and someone else tried to RB him
-requires he was told if he was protected
-required he was told that someone tried to kill him.

@Nobody Special/Wake or anyone who has modded Large Normals

Is this a possibility at all?

Please bear with me as I ask you for more information.

His claim requires that there be 3 kill attempts last night? Am I misunderstanding? Please clarify if I am. I know Large games only allow two unique slots, and there's also a 'red list' of roles that can't happen in Large Normals, like Jesters or Nexus'.

He also has to be rb'd and attempted nk'd at the same time? Sounds highly impractical. However, Wolfie, remember that I too was given an insanely powerful role by a certain somebody in a certain game that ended recently. Sometimes there is more danger hidden under the benign doctor or tracker claim, than the one that sounds unbelievable.

vf was told that someone tried to kill him and that he was protected last night, he also said he didn't receive a result on his cop investigation of Shinobi, he later said he got "no result" after being further questioned, pisskop flipped nonconsecutive mafia roleblocker and boon flipped nonconsecutive town doctor, vf claims town cop-no modifier

Does this make sense?

Since it's practically already out of the bag, vikingfan should explain his role pm in as much detail as possible without quoting his role PM.

Him doing that would help us Town tremendously.

[Wake1]

wake= confirmed distracted

Business will do that to you.

[Wake1]

I think Mathblade's behavior may be due to some sort of effect that is part of one of the two unique slots allowed. If not, I don't understand what she's doing.

As for VF, lynching him because his unique claim feels unbelievable isn't good enough reason. What if he is what he claims, and we've just shot ourselves in the foot?

[Wake1]

And to whom it may concern, I am certainly no newbie.

[Wake1]

@Wake There were unique slots? Where is that in the setup? (serious request)

You can see it on the 'Normal Game' wiki page.

[Wake1]

As for VF, lynching him because his unique claim feels unbelievable isn't good enough reason. What if he is what he claims, and we've just shot ourselves in the foot?

What do we do if he's not what he claims?

Burn it with fire. If memory serves we lost an investigative role last Night. If another one exists, or something close, it might be wise to check him.

pedit: @wake when the hell is lying about a role claim not a good reason to lynch? The case for VF's claim to be a lie is pretty damning. You are damn well aware of the use of

fake claiming considering you do it all the time as scum

. This statement makes me question your alignment as well.

WOAH.

Wait a minute.

Let's back it up a bit.

Do we know that VF lied? Did VF make a claim, then said he lied, and then said he had a different role?

And, more importantly, since when is the bolded true? I don't care for fake-claiming, so if I am Scum and a wagon's on me and intent is voiced I simply claim Doc/Tracker/VT, or however I feel at the moment depending on the situation. I don't do it all the time as Scum, either. I don't recall doing so.

Hrm...

[Wake1]

OK.

So if we have a Cop it's still alive.

It should investigate vikingfan.

Does anyone know if someone claimed Cop already?

If so, judging by the fact that person isn't dead, maybe the dead Doc protected that Cop player, and could mean we're looking at 3 killing factions. The unique part of vf's claim rings a bit with that sentiment.

[Wake1]

OK.

So if we have a Cop it's still alive.

It should investigate vikingfan.

Does anyone know if someone claimed Cop already?

If so, judging by the fact that person isn't dead, maybe the dead Doc protected that Cop player, and could mean we're looking at 3 killing factions. The unique part of vf's claim rings a bit with that sentiment.

vf claimed he was told he was attacked and protected, ever heard of this before?

He's the only one who claimed cop so far. He said he got no result last night.

Those unique slots can also include mechanics.

This includes original ones not in the wiki.

Let's think on this for a minute. Why would VF, if Scum, go through the trouble of making an incredibly dubious-sounding claim when he could go the easy route? Do you remember when I claimed Sensor and how everyone reacted in spite of my honesty? Let's not forget the lessons of the past so quickly (I often tell this to myself).

The guy who claimed Doc, sans the RB and our Doc, may be killed Day 2. That much is obvious.

[Wake1]

Modifiers.

[Wake1]

There is something called the 'Loud' modifier that I plan on using in the future.

There are at least three other variations like it. Sort of like Voyeur, Watcher, Tracker, Follower, Reporter, there's also something vaguely similar when it comes to modifiers.

'Loud' makes it so that when you perform a Night action on someone, that person becomes aware that the specific action was performed on him or her, but they won't know who.

[Wake1]

*Sigh*

"New/variant roles may be included in limited number (no more than 1 in a Mini, 2 in a Large), and should be based on the usual role mechanics: Killing, Protecting, Investigating, Blocking, Voting, Enabling and Communication."

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Normal_Game

[Wake1]

OK.

So if we have a Cop it's still alive.

It should investigate vikingfan.

Does anyone know if someone claimed Cop already?

If so, judging by the fact that person isn't dead, maybe the dead Doc protected that Cop player, and could mean we're looking at 3 killing factions. The unique part of vf's claim rings a bit with that sentiment.

vf claimed he was told he was attacked and protected, ever heard of this before?

He's the only one who claimed cop so far. He said he got no result last night.

Those unique slots can also include mechanics.

This includes original ones not in the wiki.

Let's think on this for a minute. Why would VF, if Scum, go through the trouble of making an incredibly dubious-sounding claim when he could go the easy route? Do you remember when I claimed Sensor and how everyone reacted in spite of my honesty? Let's not forget the lessons of the past so quickly (I often tell this to myself).

The guy who claimed Doc, sans the RB and our Doc, may be killed Day 2. That much is obvious.

No one claimed doc. Boon crumbed it. He was killed. No one else has claimed doc.

Claimed Cop, not Doc.

[Wake1]

I doubt every single role is nonconsecutive, by the by.

Troll approved

I'm being serious. If anyone was clever enough to think about it for five seconds they'd understand why.

On another note, NY178 had some Odd-Even, a Fibbonaci or Prime or some such, and some full roles, and NY167 had a full Gunsmith and an Even Gunsmith, and those are just ones I've been involved in. It's not unusual for mixed modifiers to happen.

CAN WE NOT ASSOCIATIVES BEFORE FLIPS

IT IS DAY FUCKING TWO

KTHX

p-edit: Well if anyone from the NRG was going to approve something weird...

I've seen really weird stuff, too, with those unique slots.

I can definitely see the 'Loud' mechanic or some elaborate variation and/or combination thereof.

[Wake1]

Good God.

2500 posts.

I don't know where a good foothold to get back into the game would be.

[Wake1]

God you are just so fucking rude.

From experience, that's par for the course.

From 1 to 10, how worthy is she of rope?

[Wake1]

Yeah, just like pisskop said this is NakedJogger's normal dbag play. Of course Wake, etc. won't cry his eyes out over it because Selective Vision.

How you handle people can certainly come back to you. It is your responsibility to mind your manners.

My brief experiences with you cause me to not feel much empathy when it is you on the receiving end.

[Wake1]

Accusations of cheating are serious, and should only be discussed via PM with the game mod.

[Wake1]

Wake, I need your assistance in this game, there's too many stubborn town fighting me on top of the scum. We're not friends, but I need your help.

I have little knowledge of what's going on, or who all these new players are and who they replaced.

I do not have crystallized knowledge pertaining to this game, but I do have fluid intelligence, and can prove effective if you give me data and bounce ideas off of me.

There's little we can do to keep players from fighting amongst themselves.

[Wake1]

So I leave to take a shower for about ten minutes, and 2.5 pages apparently fly by.

Wake me up when we have something important to talk about.

[Wake1]

So I leave to take a shower for about ten minutes, and 2.5 pages apparently fly by.

Wake me up when we have something important to talk about.

We're talking and playing. Play. This is doing nothing but hurt town.

What should we talk about? I am

not

reading 2,500 posts.

I don't know where to begin.

[Wake1]

Doctors don't get told if their protection was successful. They don't get told anything.

Did this used to be the case in earlier Mafia games?

[Wake1]

So I leave to take a shower for about ten minutes, and 2.5 pages apparently fly by.

Wake me up when we have something important to talk about.

We're talking and playing. Play. This is doing nothing but hurt town.

What should we talk about? I am

not

reading 2,500 posts.

I don't know where to begin.

What's your stance on me, ABR, ellie, NJ, and cheetory, for starters?

I haven't played the game enough to make any sort of determination yet.

[Wake1]

Wake and Nobody Special,

not doctors being told but the person they healed.

There are no Normal or exclusively Non-Normal roles to my knowledge that are informed if they are healed/targeted.

That means anything from either of the two unique slots could be the reason for this discussion.

[Wake1]

Let's nail VF and Ellie.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Vikingfan

[Wake1]

I'm more annoyed with my mistake than anyone else is at the moment.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

[Wake1]

Ugh.

So we lost the Cop and the Backup Cop.

I don't believe he's Town and is kamikaze Scum.

Should have reserved my vote, like I usually do.

[Wake1]

I've had a lot of fun. Thanks for the entertainment.

Gut says this is Scum.

[Wake1]

If I had more time, more energy, and more posts read and analyzed, it's doubtful I would have made the same move.

[Wake1]

So what's with the delay on lynching ABR?

[Wake1]

You can certainly try to mislynch a Townie if you want, but besides being deceived by ABR's stunt there's no good reason for it.

If we have a Vig, taking ABR out would be ideal. However, do we know if there's one? If not, we can't count on that happening, and even if someone were to claim Vig we can't know if that person is really Scum instead.

[Wake1]

So Mathblade is likely Vengeful.

It's fairly obvious by now.

[Wake1]

Mathblade sounds like a Vengeful role because she continuously is pining to be lynched. There can't be a Jester in this game, so if she's not that or Vengeful I don't get her current behavior. I'm thinking ABR is lying about tracking her to Ellie. He lied about being Cop, too, and cost us our Cop.

[Wake1]

An ABR lynch would yield the most information.

[Wake1]

*Shrug*

My vote'll stay on Albert.

[Wake1]

Mathblade is next if Albert somehow flips Town.

[Wake1]

Mathblade is next if Albert somehow flips Town.

[Wake1]

So 3752's devoid of reason for the vote.

Explain it please, because it makes no f****** sense.

[Wake1]

VOTE: MathBlade

For now, my vote is going to rest on MB because she's literally useless to the town AND extremely detrimental to our progress. She's part of the reason why this ABR wagon is just kinda happening, no real push on it and no real charge being lead against him. I don't think we should lynch ABR right now because I just don't know that he's scum, even though I sorta trusted him on the vf mislynch. Elusive was right when she told me not to just vote someone to get a kill, but elusive,

a no lynch is bad for us. We need to lynch more scum.

Furthermore, has anyone considered the possibility that ABR was just wrong? He genuinely believed vf was lying because of his past experience playing mafia?

I just think MathBlade is being a bigger dickhead than ABR and is literally ruining this game at this point. And then she complains when nobody takes her seriously when she plays.

I still am perfectly willing to hammer you, ABR, if you go L-1. I still haven't forgiven you, nor have I forgotten. This is kinda like an intent to hammer, only I'd rather kill the troll than the person I hate. That is, until I find another reason to think you're scum.

Besides, I bet elusive is gonna shoot ABR tonight anyway, because she's obviously crumbing vig.

P-Edit:

Why the Wake vote, elusive? O_o

Or Ozgin and Elusive are teammates, affirms that she's 'obviously crumbing vig,' and perceives me as a weak player and is subtly trying to get her to not try to divert attention towards my mislynch, when he thinks it would serve Scum better if I were to remain alive.

[Wake1]

Wow, if I knew one vote would get you to maybe play the damn game I would have voted you sooner.

Frankly, I'm exhausted and grouchy. Working on my feet for twelve hours straight each day from 7am to 7pm, and getting up at 5am each day. What have you done?

Playing Mafia doesn't mean you have to engage as if you have no work priorities. Maybe if I weren't working 80 hours each week I'd have an hour or two to write up a big quality post for you to conveniently ignore.

[Wake1]

Wake-do you have any reads on any of the players in this game right now?

I've not had enough time and energy to read enough to develop reads.

If I post reads on people based on a handful of posts I've read in the last few pages people will

bitch

.

I'm f****** busy, and struggling to find the wherewithal to play. It's aggravating. It's 9pm here and I feel like I've been beaten up by a 500lb gorilla.

[Wake1]

Wake-do you have any reads on any of the players in this game right now?

I've not had enough time and energy to read enough to develop reads.

If I post reads on people based on a handful of posts I've read in the last few pages people will

bitch

.

I'm f****** busy, and struggling to find the wherewithal to play. It's aggravating. It's 9pm here and I feel like I've been beaten up by a 500lb gorilla.

Sorry life is tough and busy for you. A simple read on a few people from anything you have seen in this game at all would be extremely helpful.

Not when I then hear bitching about it.

"Oh, why didn't you read all 3,500 posts four times over? Why? WHY?

WHY

??? WHY?!?!? SCUM! SCUM!!!"

It's never good enough. If I pull over and put 20 minutes towards a light read players will then find excused to bitch about it and demand I put hours and days in when it's not gonna happen.

Few people listen to me anyway in this game, so why should I even care? Hell, the other people of this so-called Town team didn't help me all that much when I simply asked for a brief recap of what happened, and if I had been given just a tad more information maybe I wouldn't have made a mistake here or there along the way.

I'm getting the feeling that it's becoming impossible for me to play Mafia while I'm working, because I function best when I put in either all or nothing.

[Wake1]

Unilaterally going on Limited Access for work-related reasons until 3/13/15

*I really should stick to only one game at a time.

[Wake1]

Your words are comforting, even if you're Scum.

Thank you, Wolfie.

[Wake1]

What I forgot to mention is that my ADHD makes it really hard for me to focus on so many different things at one time.

Focusing on one game and all of its intricate parts and movements is easy for me. Adding one or more is trouble.

[Wake1]

I'm confusing elusive with Ellie, I don't know who Ozgin replaced at this moment, and Mathblade's antics and ABR's back-and-forths have me all sorts of confused.

[Wake1]

And apparently I missed the part where Ellie is dead.

[Wake1]

Elusive, can you please sum up in one sentence why you aren't voting ABR?

Please?

[Wake1]

So we need two more on ABR.

[Wake1]

ABR's play to get the claimed cop killed by fake claiming does not make sense from a scum perspective, what benefit does it give him in terms of the long game and also if he were scum why would he fake claim to get VF lynched when he couldn't be sure to his claim being true or false and most likely would know it to be false, why not do something like mafia roleblock since this seems like a role heavy game, so therefore he is either extremely bad anti-town town or third party but I doubt he's scum especially since VF was roleblocked on his first night therefore there was no need to kill him in that public spectacle fashion.

*Sigh*

You know, that's not helping.

Can you condense it down to a shorter sentence, like one that's not five lines longs?

[Wake1]

VikingFan was roleblocked by mafia night one, why the hell would ABR need to publicly get him killed when scum obviously have an RBer?

If ABR is Town why the heck would he do what he did, lying about being a Cop?

I did something similar in Mafia in Space, and that's one thing you should never do.

[Wake1]

Not happy about being lied to by Town, and losing Cop, Backup Cop, Vengeful, and Tracker.

The game's been ruined for me a bit because of the terrible plays that happened so far.

Ika, I'd like to replace out, please.

[Wake1]

What did I do specifically in game that crossed a line?

It's likely a matter of personality, since you continue to egg on Silverwolf, knowingly or not.