New York 180 (Endgame)

Shinobi · Post Post #8 (isolation #0) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:19 pm

y u vot me

VOTE: TSO

Because I don't trust him.

Shinobi · Post Post #10 (isolation #1) » Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:24 pm

So you're killing me because me dying is cool? I thought I meant something to you.

I sad now.

Shinobi · Post Post #74 (isolation #2) » Mon Feb 09, 2015 4:33 am

YO.

Keep piling votes on TSO until he actually starts playing the game.

Shinobi · Post Post #145 (isolation #3) » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:31 pm

What are we waiting for? Pile votes onto TSO.

Let's go.

@Dragonspawn: Your needless obtuseness has been noted.

Shinobi · Post Post #158 (isolation #4) » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:53 pm

In post 150, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 145, Shinobi wrote:What are we waiting for? Pile votes onto TSO.

Let's go.

@Dragonspawn: Your needless obtuseness has been noted.

I am so getting lynched at this rate lol.

unvote

vote: shinobi

I really don't like being told what to do. And per my earlier discussion with wake it seems like this is a good way to get more info to analyze.

How exactly do you intend to lynch mafia if you're not going to listen to other people? Are you intending to just come up with every single case on scum yourself or what?

I'm genuinely asking. I've never heard of a mafia player who just "doesn't like being told what to do" because that's just needlessly obtuse. I don't even think it's scummy. I just think it's bad.

In post 152, Wake1 wrote:ITT, Shinobi doesn't take the opportunity to respond to 112.

What exactly am I responding to?

Shinobi · Post Post #163 (isolation #5) » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:00 pm

Also, I am not a Thor alt. This is my main account. I have my own wiki and

everything

.

Thor is cool though.

Pedit: No, I don't see anything that I should be responding to in that post. No questions, no nothing. Am I missing something?

Shinobi · Post Post #168 (isolation #6) » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:07 pm

I've never played with Aero.

Wake, are you asking me to comment on your giant post? Is that it? Because, uh, it looks okay and I can see how you think those things.

Shinobi · Post Post #175 (isolation #7) » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:18 pm

Oh

.

No, it's not necessarily a "crusade" against TSO for not doing a thing; rather, he's a player I'm intending to focus on during this day. I've played with him three times and townread him in every game I played with him. He was mafia in two of those games. I have absolutely no idea how to read him properly so I want to start pressuring him out of the gate to see what he does when the spotlight on him early.

Sure, his not posting while he should be posting bothers me, but that's not why I'm doing what I'm doing. If this is how you intend to handle my TSO pressure, then I'm perfectly okay with that.

Shinobi · Post Post #184 (isolation #8) » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:24 pm

In post 180, Aeronaut wrote:Eh, you can check, I've never played a game with him.

He still hasn't commented on that post, either. But of course, neither have I

Yes I have.

Shinobi · Post Post #188 (isolation #9) » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:29 pm

In post 168, Shinobi wrote:Because, uh, it looks okay and I can see how you think those things.

Shinobi · Post Post #192 (isolation #10) » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:31 pm

In post 189, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 175, Shinobi wrote:
Oh
.

No, it's not necessarily a "crusade" against TSO for not doing a thing; rather, he's a player I'm intending to focus on during this day. I've played with him three times and townread him in every game I played with him. He was mafia in two of those games. I have absolutely no idea how to read him properly so I want to start pressuring him out of the gate to see what he does when the spotlight on him early.

Sure, his not posting while he should be posting bothers me, but that's not why I'm doing what I'm doing. If this is how you intend to handle my TSO pressure, then I'm perfectly okay with that.

I don't have a problem with you pressuring him at all. I have a problem with you telling the rest of us we need to.

I'm not telling you we need to. I'm asking you to help me out because I think this is a good course of action.

At the very least, it's better than talking about vampires.

In post 191, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 188, Shinobi wrote:
In post 168, Shinobi wrote:Because, uh, it looks okay and I can see how you think those things.

Eh

Still more than you've given in regards to that post, ftr.

Shinobi · Post Post #200 (isolation #11) » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:55 pm

In post 198, FA_Q2 wrote:The TSO wagon seems to be forming far to easily for someone that has not even posted yet. I would think that this is worthy of a prod but I am suspicious that scum is simply jumping onto the easy wagon that has an 'excuse.'

That depends: do you think the people on the wagon are trying to actually lynch him before he starts playing?

Shinobi · Post Post #203 (isolation #12) » Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:59 pm

In post 96, Aeronaut wrote:Ok. Let's generate discussion

@Everyone: what's the biggest flaw in your towngame? Your scumgame?

Btw, I realized that I overlooked this.

Flaw in my towngame is that I can be really anti-town sometimes. It's not as big an issue in IML but meh.
Flaw in my scumgame is that I'm incredibly unproductive.

Shinobi · Post Post #227 (isolation #13) » Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:59 am

In post 225, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 223, T S O wrote:I forgot this game existed. My men, I'll forgive you by personally digging the graves for the dead bodies of scum after I lead the charge in hanging them.

Let's get down to business.

and whose grave are you starting with?

His own.

Shinobi · Post Post #256 (isolation #14) » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:43 pm

If TSO is townreading me, that means he's buddying me and is scum.

(His catchup is actually kind of good and I'm parsing it now.)

Shinobi · Post Post #257 (isolation #15) » Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:47 pm

TSO, why exactly do you think viking's post is town?

Shinobi · Post Post #260 (isolation #16) » Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:13 pm

@Aero: What's scummy about TSO posting a "wake" post?

@Silverwolf: What's fake about it?

Shinobi · Post Post #276 (isolation #17) » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:37 pm

In post 274, FA_Q2 wrote:
In post 268, Cheetory6 wrote:Busy as fuck this week. Quickly glancing at the game Silver linked while I have some time and I can see the difference in how much Silver directly interacts with people in the game Silver linked vs here. I still feel kind of weird about some of her posts before, but if this many people are claiming metatells then I'll settle for reading through a few of her games later this week when I have more spare time.

VOTE: FA
His switch from a decently-reasoned vote on Grib to what reads as a dumb jokevote on Shinobi is vomit. Even worse is that he softpushes Grib shortly afterwards and then does nothing to engage Shinobi.

@FA
, what're your updated thoughts on Shinobi now that he's explained his intentions behind pushing for a TSO wagon?

decently reasoned? They were both random votes. Gribs original statment read to me like a simple conversation starter, not really worthy of scum reading. There are pages and pages of random garbage in this game.

Shinobi's 'reasoning' is meh IMHO. He says he was 'pressuring' a player that was not even here and in need of a prod.

Considering that even said player agreed that it was good reasoning, I'd say "meh" doesn't really cover it since a large number of people agree with me

and

I got a sizable answer in the form of reads from him on every single player on his wagon. What's "meh" about it?

Shinobi · Post Post #344 (isolation #18) » Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:25 pm

In post 341, House wrote:
In post 336, elusive wrote:It's interesting because I see what you're saying but you're also removing kind of an aspect of the game that remains as a record. I mean votes are also done for reactions.

However, since you aren't voting - what do you plan to do - just scum hunt until you're ready?

Fight the PEER PRESSURE TO DO STUFF.

It's kind of scary.

This is a towny post.

Why is it towny?

Shinobi · Post Post #348 (isolation #19) » Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:34 pm

This wake guy is kinda cool imo.

Shinobi · Post Post #423 (isolation #20) » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:35 pm

@Cheetory: I'm not sure. I feel like I'd like a bit more out of him because his current lack of activity bothers me, and the way he consulted his wagon was pretty much exactly how I would handle it if I were scum. Someone of his townreads seemed very empty. I don't feel particularly satisfied by what I've received, especially since I know he's going to read me as town either way because I know that he knows it sates me.

The only other person I would consider switching to would be acryon, for his #401. It felt like mafia trying to egg on bad analysis, especially since he didn't really seem to follow it up with anything.

Shinobi · Post Post #424 (isolation #21) » Thu Feb 12, 2015 4:37 pm

VOTE: acryon

I think I'm just going to switch. I haven't forgotten about TSO but his filter is better than acryon's.

Shinobi · Post Post #427 (isolation #22) » Thu Feb 12, 2015 5:09 pm

In post 425, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 423, Shinobi wrote:@Cheetory: I'm not sure. I feel like I'd like a bit more out of him because his current lack of activity bothers me, and the way he consulted his wagon was pretty much exactly how I would handle it if I were scum. Someone of his townreads seemed very empty. I don't feel particularly satisfied by what I've received, especially since I know he's going to read me as town either way because I know that he knows it sates me.

The only other person I would consider switching to would be acryon, for his #401. It felt like mafia trying to egg on bad analysis, especially since he didn't really seem to follow it up with anything.

Wouldn't you also scumread boon for giving said bad analysis?

No?

Shinobi · Post Post #508 (isolation #23) » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:49 pm

In post 454, acryon wrote:
In post 423, Shinobi wrote:The only other person I would consider switching to would be acryon, for his #401. It felt like mafia trying to egg on bad analysis, especially since he didn't really seem to follow it up with anything.

So you don't think there was anything wrong with that line in Dragon's post?

That being said, my vote is still on vikingfan, because his posts have looked much worse than dragon's. I've got an FoS on dragon though.

In post 452, SilverWolf wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out why he's scummier than vikingfan.......................

Yeah, he isn't.

So looking at the votes:
Boon was the first to vote dragon
Pisskop sheeps Boon’s reason
Grib adds to vikingfan
Aero adds to dragon for the same reason as Boon and pisskop
Vikingfan jumps on dragon
Klingon places his vote for vikingfan (although the intent was clearly there already)
House jumps on, stating he is sheeping
Kitz jumps on vikingfan for disliking the way he addressed the dragon wagon (which has a nice ring to it
Nakedjogger jumps on dragon for being defensive

Giving us the following VC for those two (pretty sure):

vikingfan
: acryon, SilverWolf, dragonspawn, Grib, Klingon, House, Kitz [L-4]

Dragonspawn
: Boonskiies, Pisskop, Aeronaut, vikingfan, Nakedjogger [L-6]

The dragonspawn wagon certainly smells like a counterwagon to a scum wagon. If it is, I suspect Aeronaut the most on the counterwagon (and of course vikingfan). Came in third on the wagon only after it clearly had a little traction and just sheeped Boon's reasoning (which isn't bad in and of itself, but it's hard to tell if Aero had his own reasons).

Sorry, I can't hear you over all those mafia sounds acryon.

Shinobi · Post Post #509 (isolation #24) » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:50 pm

>Agrees with boon on dragonspawn.
>Scumread on dragonspawn disappears based on nothing.
>Summarizes useless information for no reason.

I am happy with my vote.

Shinobi · Post Post #559 (isolation #25) » Sat Feb 14, 2015 4:04 am

In post 510, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 509, Shinobi wrote:>Agrees with boon on dragonspawn.
>Scumread on dragonspawn disappears based on nothing.
>Summarizes useless information for no reason.

I am happy with my vote.

Can you elaborate on this?

I fail to see what else needs elaborating.

Shinobi · Post Post #567 (isolation #26) » Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:36 am

In post 561, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 559, Shinobi wrote:
In post 510, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 509, Shinobi wrote:>Agrees with boon on dragonspawn.
>Scumread on dragonspawn disappears based on nothing.
>Summarizes useless information for no reason.

I am happy with my vote.

Can you elaborate on this?

I fail to see what else needs elaborating.

wouldn't the wiser move to elaborate anyway or at least ask specific questions on what he needs fleshed out?

just started strengthens my less than town read on you.

I can't elaborate on what I perceive to be a fleshed-out read.

What exactly would either of you propose that I flesh out?

Shinobi · Post Post #573 (isolation #27) » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:10 am

Fwiw, I don't think dragon is mafia and am distinctly unenthused by the current votes on him.

@DS: I found his summary of recent events and his unnecessary votecount to be scummy. I think that mafia loves to post useless information as such in an effort to look like they're contributing without actually contributing in any way.

Shinobi · Post Post #689 (isolation #28) » Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:10 am

Will probably start posting again when acryon is around.

Shinobi · Post Post #695 (isolation #29) » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:22 am

In post 691, Aeronaut wrote:
In post 689, Shinobi wrote:Will probably start posting again when acryon is around.

Why is your posting dependent on Acryon?

'Cause he's my main scumread and I don't particularly care very much about the two primary wagons atm.

Shinobi · Post Post #696 (isolation #30) » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:22 am

In post 693, vikingfan wrote:
In post 689, Shinobi wrote:Will probably start posting again when acryon is around.

is the scummiest thing I've seen this game. There are NINETEEN other players in this game and you need a player to post before you start posting? This almost looks like scumlinking but I can't believe scum would be this dumb. Still UNVOTE: VOTE: Shinobi. I can't think of one aligment-based reason this is a valid post.

Sure bud.

Shinobi · Post Post #699 (isolation #31) » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:36 am

In post 698, elusive wrote:
vikingfan, it's interesting to see you posting like a real player now, are you being coached or?
Since it may turn out that you are the lynch for toDay, who do you think town should look at closely if you flip town? Can you do a last reads or will post?

Wake88, vikingfan wrote in a post that he found it interesting that the response to his V\LA was for players to buss him while the response to Grib's V\LA did not result in bussing. That read like a massive scum slip to most, I think. I'm more interested in what people think should happen once he flips either town or scum. If he flips scum do they look at those who were voting him at the time of the post? Does that mean Grib needs to be looked at? Etc.

Aeronaut, you can start now.

The bolded is disgusting. Scumpoints for you.

Shinobi · Post Post #701 (isolation #32) » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:41 am

Because you're leaving your conclusion open ended. You allude to there being an encryptor but you leave the details of said read up to anyone who reads your post.

Are you an alt or no?

Shinobi · Post Post #703 (isolation #33) » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:45 am

Meh, nevermind then. I always see mafia posting stuff that alludes to other people being scum without outright stating their conclusions.

I don't care about either of the wagons. In a pinch I'd vote VF over DS but that's about it.

Shinobi · Post Post #704 (isolation #34) » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:46 am

How would you draw the conclusion that he was being coached without knowing about encryptors?

Shinobi · Post Post #708 (isolation #35) » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:53 am

In post 706, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 704, Shinobi wrote:How would you draw the conclusion that he was being coached without knowing about encryptors?

maybe I'm still new ay this but what do encryptors have to do with this?

Encryptors are the only scum role on mafiascum that give scum daytalk. They don't have daytalk otherwise.

Shinobi · Post Post #817 (isolation #36) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:15 am

In post 809, T S O wrote:Shinobi, have you sorted me? Because I just remembered I was townreading you for saying you were going to do so, and I liked your early game pushes because of that, but you've faded out for me from then on.

Sort of, but I've been busy.

What exactly was the point of voting VF? You only jumped on his lynch after he softed.

Shinobi · Post Post #818 (isolation #37) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:15 am

All of your questions in regards to his claim are completely token and I don't understand what the point of that was.

Shinobi · Post Post #823 (isolation #38) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:28 am

Acryon, calling people scum because of gut isn't doing you any favors. Come up with real analysis that isn't based on hopes and dreams.

@TSO: The questions you asked in regards to his role pm looked completely meaningless. Sure, I

guess

you could potentially catch someone messing up their role pm but it all seems so convenient after he softclaimed.

Shinobi · Post Post #827 (isolation #39) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:34 am

In post 823, Shinobi wrote:@TSO: The questions you asked in regards to his role pm looked completely meaningless. Sure, I
guess
you could potentially catch someone messing up their role pm but it all seems so convenient after he softclaimed.

To elaborate on this: how is it that you have absolutely no questions for him before you vote him but you only pressure him after he claims?

Shinobi · Post Post #829 (isolation #40) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:36 am

In post 828, Aeronaut wrote:(It's to see if the claim is legitimate)

That part I understand.

It's just the fact that TSO only jumped on after he softed that bothers me.

Shinobi · Post Post #830 (isolation #41) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:36 am

It was literally impossible to miss.

Shinobi · Post Post #833 (isolation #42) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 6:47 am

Ignore the issue of the questions right now because that's not even the crux of the point I'm bringing up.

Why did you only vote him after he softed? You didn't pressure him at all until he said he might have to claim and then you jumped on.

Shinobi · Post Post #840 (isolation #43) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:29 am

In post 838, T S O wrote:Why didn't you comment once about the viking wagon despite doing so for dragonspawn repeatedly?

I commented on both wagons despite not caring about either of them. This is easily resolved by reading my ISO, and even then it's not an important discussion point.

What was scummy about viking's boonskiies switch and why was that strong enough to warrant a vote?

Shinobi · Post Post #843 (isolation #44) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:46 am

Why is it an issue that VF voted boonskiies and not ABR?

Why is him voting boonskiies bad but him voting me a nonissue even though the reasons were similar?

It reads like an excuse to force VF to claim rather than anything else.

Shinobi · Post Post #847 (isolation #45) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:57 am

@Kitz: I don't see any discrepancies with ABR's play.

Shinobi · Post Post #850 (isolation #46) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:09 am

In post 849, elusive wrote:
In post 847, Shinobi wrote:@Kitz: I don't see any discrepancies with ABR's play.

Can you describe his town meta vs. his scum meta?

I would if I could.

The bottom line is that him posting one liners isn't really all that informative in terms of him being scum because I've seen him do it as town.

Shinobi · Post Post #964 (isolation #47) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:33 pm

Where exactly did this Kitz wagon come from?

Shinobi · Post Post #967 (isolation #48) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:03 pm

In post 965, Albert B. Rampage wrote:NJ said some stuff about kitz reads being scummy.

vote: kitz

Who?

Shinobi · Post Post #970 (isolation #49) » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:41 pm

In post 969, FakedBlogger wrote:He can't see cuz he's got these green lights where his eyes should be.

Yeah it's a recurring problem for me I'm afraid.

Shinobi · Post Post #1001 (isolation #50) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:08 am

In post 976, Klingoncelt wrote:Should we lynch their slots?

lol

Shinobi · Post Post #1002 (isolation #51) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:20 am

Klingon's post is really bad but I'm not sure it necessarily makes her scum. The phrase "too scummy to be scum" comes to mind and I think it's kinda hilarious. In what world does scum go "what is the dumbest, most antitown thing I could say

right now

?"

I accept the fact that I might be wrong, but TSO is voting her, so.

@NJ: I don't really see the points you made on Kitz tbh, either from an eyesight perspective or a logical perspective.

Shinobi · Post Post #1003 (isolation #52) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:24 am

In post 981, T S O wrote:I don't really know what to make of the Kitz wagon - it certainly sprung up very fast, but wagons on scum can happen fast too.

In post 980, T S O wrote:I feel better voting Klingon than Kitz.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

After his #842, where he makes a big fuss about people voting Boon, he has absolutely no issue with ABR doing the exact same thing with his vote, in yet drops the entire issue he had over nothing and starts voting with his scumread without explaining why.

Shinobi · Post Post #1004 (isolation #53) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:26 am

In post 1003, Shinobi wrote:
In post 981, T S O wrote:I don't really know what to make of the Kitz wagon - it certainly sprung up very fast, but wagons on scum can happen fast too.

In post 980, T S O wrote:I feel better voting Klingon than Kitz.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

After his #842, where he makes a big fuss about people voting Boon, he has absolutely no issue with ABR doing the exact same thing with his vote, in yet drops the entire issue he had over nothing and starts voting with his scumread without explaining why.

Scratch that, I misread.

He still dropped his scumread on ABR, which I'm still not sure it even existed, over nothing. Ignore the part about voting with him.

Shinobi · Post Post #1007 (isolation #54) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:31 am

In post 1006, T S O wrote:"Oh, well TSO is voting this guy, I better make up a bullshit defense! Too scummy to be scum... perfect!"

When I asked you to start sorting me again it didn't mean randomly fucking disagree with everything I do for no reason.

I think that Klingon's statement was so absurdly bad that I didn't think it would

actually

come from scum. The part about you voting her was kinda meh and not entirely relevant.

I still don't understand what happened with you and the ABR/VF reads.

Shinobi · Post Post #1009 (isolation #55) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:36 am

In post 1008, T S O wrote:it's because vikingfan was being insanely opportunistic with his vote and just sheeped ABR with no organic movement off his previous target

Organic movement?

Shinobi · Post Post #1012 (isolation #56) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:42 am

Nevermind, I get it now.

Back to whoever replaces acryon.

Shinobi · Post Post #1013 (isolation #57) » Wed Feb 18, 2015 5:43 am

Thanks btw.

Shinobi · Post Post #1203 (isolation #58) » Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:46 pm

What was townish about House's replacement?

Shinobi · Post Post #1445 (isolation #59) » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:37 pm

This is a surprisingly close vote.

Shinobi · Post Post #1448 (isolation #60) » Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:43 pm

In post 1445, Shinobi wrote:This is a surprisingly close vote.

Which is a problem because I don't feel strongly about either of these lynches.

I see a lot of naked votes on NJ but I don't know why they're there. Did I overlook something?
I know Klingon is being voted for asking if we should lynch replacements which is pretty lol, but I don't necessarily believe that makes her scum.

Shinobi · Post Post #1469 (isolation #61) » Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:46 pm

In post 1460, Ellie wrote:I think Klingon's town & mislynch bait. Forgets she claimed VT. Says pisskop is cop. Votes TSO over easier NJ wagon. Voting her reads before trying to survive. Looks like forgetful or distracted town.

I don't see how any of these things matter. Why are all of these thoughts purely town-oriented thoughts instead of scum playing it up?

In post 1461, Ellie wrote:Suppose she
could
be avoiding the pisskop vote because they're partners. But it doesn't feel right.

wat

What exactly doesn't "feel right?" I don't understand how you came to any kind of conclusion about anything here.

Shinobi · Post Post #1472 (isolation #62) » Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:54 pm

I can mostly see where you're coming from but your bit on not voting for survival is a nulltell at best.

Can someone explain why NJ is being voted? I think I asked already I don't think anyone answered.

Shinobi · Post Post #1537 (isolation #63) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:58 am

So I'm reading the thread and asking myself "why is the NJ wagon happening?"

Because I still don't have a clue why it exists and nobody seems willing or able to tell me why.

Shinobi · Post Post #1545 (isolation #64) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:07 am

Why is the NJ wagon happening?

Shinobi · Post Post #1552 (isolation #65) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:11 am

Oic.

The point on NJ voting because someone else "voted town" is actually kind of okay but that's about it.

Shinobi · Post Post #1560 (isolation #66) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:15 am

In post 1554, Boonskiies wrote:Also, ABR's ISO is worth a look into; he claimed tracker, and we don't know if he's scum falsely fake claiming, scum actually fake claiming, town actually claiming, or town fake claiming.

How about you draw a conclusion instead of posting a bunch of nothing?

Pedit: Stop talking about the fakeclaims because no other lynches are going to happen besides Klingon or NJ.

Shinobi · Post Post #1562 (isolation #67) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:16 am

In post 1560, Shinobi wrote:
In post 1554, Boonskiies wrote:Also, ABR's ISO is worth a look into; he claimed tracker, and we don't know if he's scum falsely fake claiming, scum actually fake claiming, town actually claiming, or town fake claiming.

How about you draw a conclusion instead of posting a bunch of nothing?

Pedit: Stop talking about the possibility of fakeclaims because no other lynches are going to happen besides Klingon or NJ.

I am ashamed to have to pedit this.

But seriously, stop it. It's just white noise and none of it is relevant right now.

Shinobi · Post Post #1571 (isolation #68) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:20 am

@Mathblade: VF's claim is completely irrelevant to me right now. I'm going to look at your points when I get back from work, but the only one I remember being good was the point on NJ voting someone for voting town.

@DS: I'm not really upset, I just got kind of annoyed that I thought people were ignoring me so I started being more forceful. Even without reasoning I'd probably jump on the NJ wagon before the Klingon wagon.

@Wake: because ABR's claim is almost completely irrelevant information right now when there's a highly competitive lynch that ends in a few hours.

Shinobi · Post Post #1739 (isolation #69) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:20 pm

I'm around.

I think I'd prefer NJ but I can lynch Klingon if need be.

Shinobi · Post Post #1750 (isolation #70) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:43 pm

Silver's obviously town Wake.

Idk what you're doing here but you need to focus your attention elsewhere.

Shinobi · Post Post #1752 (isolation #71) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:50 pm

I am somewhat annoyed that my vote ended up on an outlier wagon, but it's not like it mattered because this much was obvious.

If KC flips scum, just count me as one of the voters on the counterwagon.

Shinobi · Post Post #1754 (isolation #72) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:53 pm

NJ should absolutely be a target of some blue roles or some variant thereof.

I always thought I was pretty solid when it comes to wagon analysis, so getting his flip/alignment out there would be spectacular.

Shinobi · Post Post #1760 (isolation #73) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:56 pm

In post 1757, Wake1 wrote:
In post 1750, Shinobi wrote:1) Silver's obviously town Wake.

2) Idk what you're doing here but you need to focus your attention elsewhere.

1) You don't know her.

2) Why?

1) I've played with her and I'm relatively certain she's town.

2) I feel like you're wasting your time, but that's probably because I think she's town and I think you're town.

Shinobi · Post Post #1762 (isolation #74) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:57 pm

Were people really expecting NJ to not hammer his counterwagon?

lol

Shinobi · Post Post #1767 (isolation #75) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:59 pm

In post 1766, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 1762, Shinobi wrote:Were people really expecting NJ to not hammer his counterwagon?

lol

if he was smart he would have let math do it. Or at least given intent.

Well Klingon already claimed, so.

Shinobi · Post Post #1772 (isolation #76) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:04 pm

In post 1771, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 1752, Shinobi wrote:of

why on earth should we consider you on the counter wagon when you weren't willing to vote for it? Nothing was stopping you.

Because if KC flips scum then people can hold me accountable for voting on the wrong wagon.

Shinobi · Post Post #1775 (isolation #77) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:06 pm

DS did it concern you at all that I wanted to vote NJ over Klingon or no?

Pedit: Sure, whatever.

Shinobi · Post Post #1781 (isolation #78) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:15 pm

In post 1777, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 1775, Shinobi wrote:DS did it concern you at all that I wanted to vote NJ over Klingon or no?

Pedit: Sure, whatever.

talk is cheap.

I can see this entire back-and-forth has gone completely over your head.

Shinobi · Post Post #1783 (isolation #79) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:18 pm

Tbh I'm reconsidering my read on DS: it doesn't seem like anything I say to him matters and he keeps coming up with reasons to suspect me.

Shinobi · Post Post #1792 (isolation #80) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:25 pm

In post 1787, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 1781, Shinobi wrote:
In post 1777, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 1775, Shinobi wrote:DS did it concern you at all that I wanted to vote NJ over Klingon or no?

Pedit: Sure, whatever.

talk is cheap.

I can see this entire back-and-forth has gone completely over your head.

not at all. You want credit for being on njs wagon when you weren't. You're saying that it's so everyone can hold you accountable for not being on klingons wagon if she flips scum. But you aren't on klingons wagon. So no one is going to assume you were.

you want to be seen as being on njs wagon without ever committing to it. And if you had you have seen multiple people say they would have considered it with more votes.

it's a scummy tactic partners will use to distance themselves without doing a thing.

Again, you have completely missed the point of what I'm trying to accomplish.

I am flat-out stating that if KC flips scum, I want people to consider me as someone on the NJ wagon because it effectively makes me look way more suspicious than it does if I just throw my vote away and let Klingon get lynched.

Everything else you're saying about the NJ wagon is convoluted and useless.

Shinobi · Post Post #1793 (isolation #81) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:25 pm

In post 1791, elusive wrote:Vikingfan should be protected and then ramapge I think although that one is messier. I'll random and see what happens.

Maybe narrow it to three people vikingfan and choose the scummiest?

Not loving the wake vs SW thing. Wake antagonize or tunnel someone else, not reading the game is scummy. Not moving the game forward is also scummy. If you can't catch up then at least tunnel someone for reactions.

Shinoni, really? Based on how klingon flips how does that change your thoughts ? What do you make of njs hammer and that last post? Where in the game does it show that you were considering moving to kl?

Read my iso.

Shinobi · Post Post #1797 (isolation #82) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:28 pm

In post 1795, Ellie wrote:
In post 1792, Shinobi wrote:I want people to consider me as someone on the NJ wagon because it effectively makes me look way more suspicious

Why do you want that?

p-edit oh god look at that fake acting like he even said "cripes" oh holy lord jesus

I'd rather be held accountable for voting incorrectly than for not voting at all/voting uselessly. Or you guys can just consider me a suspect because I wasn't on the wagon. Either/or.

Shinobi · Post Post #1806 (isolation #83) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:51 pm

In post 1804, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 1797, Shinobi wrote:
In post 1795, Ellie wrote:
In post 1792, Shinobi wrote:I want people to consider me as someone on the NJ wagon because it effectively makes me look way more suspicious

Why do you want that?

p-edit oh god look at that fake acting like he even said "cripes" oh holy lord jesus

I'd rather be held accountable for voting incorrectly than for not voting at all/voting uselessly. Or you guys can just consider me a suspect because I wasn't on the wagon. Either/or.

but you aren't voting klingon so if she flips scum we already know you weren't supporting it. So we would already be able to hold you accountable

Pretty much, but here's the kicker: voting on a counterwagon to scum is way worse than throwing your vote away, specifically because it means that I would be working to save my scum partner instead of doing absolutely nothing to stop her from getting lynched.

I'm annoyed NJ hammered when he did because I'm sure voting would have clarified this to the point where it was moot. Meh. You can question me and pressure me to your heart's content tomorrow because I'm probably not getting shot. Maybe this will all be irrelevant. Who knows.

@Elusive: I came to a conclusion as to who I would vote between NJ/Klingon, so if you want to focus on irrelevancies then that's fine.

Shinobi · Post Post #1863 (isolation #84) » Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:58 pm

In post 1862, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 1739, Shinobi wrote:I'm around.

I think I'd prefer NJ but I can lynch Klingon if need be.

I was pretty awful today and couldn't get my head in the game properly. Soz.

Shinobi · Post Post #1918 (isolation #85) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 6:54 am

In post 1915, T S O wrote:It makes a kind of sense that vikingfan didn't get a result because pisskop RB'd him, but it's so coincidental that viking claims he was Roleblocked just when the Scum Roleblocker happens to die and it feels disgusting and off.

Sure bud.

Unfortunately, since there's a confirmed roleblocker in the setup, we're not lynching the cop claim based on things feeling "disgusting and off."

Shinobi · Post Post #1919 (isolation #86) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:00 am

VF checking anyone but NJ is a borderline waste, but meh. Not like that check was likely to go through anyway.

Shinobi · Post Post #1921 (isolation #87) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:12 am

Fair enough.

I will be rereading when I get off from work.

Shinobi · Post Post #2192 (isolation #88) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:16 pm

In post 2189, Ellie wrote:Town VF likely dies tonight. If so, we avoid wasting a lynch. If not, he shares his result and we lynch him tomorrow. Then he either flips town or we get someone confirmed off his result

This.

We aren't lynching the cop claim because the situation likely resolves itself in due time.

Shinobi · Post Post #2194 (isolation #89) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:40 pm

I find this whole VF situation unconstructive. I'm afraid to let it go on for another day because people are so tunneled that it seems like killing him is the best use of our time just to get people to consider alternative targets.

Ftr, I don't think it's a high percentage scum lynch specifically because the whole situation is so shady (roleblocker and doctor both die making his alignment irrelevant because the whole situation resolves itself in time) but I don't see how people would consider alternative targets at this point in time. Meh.

Shinobi · Post Post #2197 (isolation #90) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:52 pm

@SW: I'm still "meh" on the whole "lynch VF" train. I'm only considering lynching him because it seems like a necessity to get people to stop stuffing their heads up their asses.

I accept the fact that he could be scum, but I think the way we're going about this is completely wrong and I think the lynch is kind of lame based on the circumstances.

Shinobi · Post Post #2199 (isolation #91) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:57 pm

In post 2198, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 2197, Shinobi wrote:@SW: I'm still "meh" on the whole "lynch VF" train. I'm only considering lynching him because it seems like a necessity to get people to stop stuffing their heads up their asses.

I accept the fact that he could be scum, but I think the way we're going about this is completely wrong and I think the lynch is kind of lame based on the circumstances.

What do you think of ABR?

He's acting like bog-standard ABR.

Not someone I find particularly interesting. Not really from a "he's boring" mindset, but from a "I don't think there's much wrong with his play and I don't see what I could/should be commenting on."

Maybe I'll look into him when I'm off work tomorrow. Dnu. We'll see how much of a travesty the thread is in when I return.

Shinobi · Post Post #2200 (isolation #92) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 7:59 pm

What is this apathetic drivel that cheetory has been posting?

Shinobi · Post Post #2201 (isolation #93) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:06 pm

I'm looking through his ISO and see that he has a scumread on FA_Q2, but still votes Klingon with him without reconsidering the situation based on FA_Q2 voting her and goes right back to scumreading him based off of nothing.

His Klingon vote reeks of opportunism and doesn't really mesh with his earlier reads, and that's not even getting into the fact that he keeps making excuses not to post and figure things out.

Shinobi · Post Post #2204 (isolation #94) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:09 pm

VOTE: cheetory

This is a good start if we're not going to stare down the "VF is mafia" tunnel all day.

I've also got a bone to pick with Kitz but I accept the fact that I could be biased in that regard. I don't know where her townread on me from earlier came from and it seems like her scumread is based on me not talking to other people, so I don't really know how that could affect her read. Hrm.

Pedit: Yeah, the whole Viking thing is lame and I accept the fact that he'll probably die today. I'm perfectly willing to move my vote there if it'll get people to shut up about it.

Shinobi · Post Post #2207 (isolation #95) » Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:14 pm

In post 2206, Ellie wrote:Some of Kitz' posts feel weakly town to me on a gut level. I liked the initiative and independent thought behind 2005 for example

I agree. I liked the way she was laying out scenarios of what we should be looking for but I'm aware that mafia can replicate that in an effort to look more productive than they are. Meh. Wait-and-see.

Shinobi · Post Post #2246 (isolation #96) » Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:54 am

Lmao this TSO push is hilarious.

Shinobi · Post Post #3045 (isolation #97) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 2:43 pm

The fuck is this game.

Shinobi · Post Post #3051 (isolation #98) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:19 pm

There's 0 chance I vote ABR over VF.

Also, what a waste of a check on me from both of you. GM pointed that out perfectly.

Shinobi · Post Post #3053 (isolation #99) » Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:21 pm

And I'm taking kitz off of my townlean list for her #2402.

VOTE: vikingfan

Shinobi · Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:21 pm

That's L-1 I believe.

Shinobi · Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:24 pm

In post 2330, Cheetory6 wrote:
In post 2201, Shinobi wrote:I'm looking through his ISO and see that he has a scumread on FA_Q2, but still votes Klingon with him without reconsidering the situation based on FA_Q2 voting her and goes right back to scumreading him based off of nothing.
I didn't even really know that FA had voted Klingon at the time? I thought Klingon was scum, so I voted her.
Do you think my read on her should have somehow been mitigated by my read on FA?
I'm also not scumreading FA based off of nothing. I've tried to directly engage FA a number of times, posted a case on him and his reaction has been to sideline and indirectly take potshots at me. He's pretty aware of my pushes, I'm pretty sure he's trying to shrug me off to avoid getting attention. I also didn't like his entry to this cycle.

I have to admit that I'm a little wary of the manner in which you're pushing me, in that you're not actually giving your read on FA while basically indirectly defending him. What's your read on him? Are you intentionally trying to defend him or do you just find my play thus far lacking and don't have much of a stance on him? Why not comment on literally anything I've actually directly said about him instead of just vaguely attacking me like this?

Shinobi wrote:that's not even getting into the fact that he keeps making excuses not to post and figure things out.
I'm VLA right now for a reason. This morning I wrote my third midterm of this week.

I don't like people who vote with their scumreads because that's a mistake mafia generally loves to make. My opinion on him does nothing to change the issue I have with you.

There was nothing vague about my attack on you either. I think you're scummy because you voted with your scumread and never bothered to reanalyze the situation you found yourself in. You jumped right back onto him later.

Shinobi · Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:46 pm

????

Wtf was that Wake?

Shinobi · Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:54 pm

Yeah...

Shinobi · Tue Mar 03, 2015 7:54 pm

Well that's disheartening. Sorry VF.

ABR needs rope. So does Wake. Wake's hammer was completely unexplained and doesn't mesh with his earlier posts, where he says he has no idea who the scum is between ABR/Ellie and those other players and only shows up to hammer our cop for no reason whatsoever.

I'm voting in the morning and I'll be holding my vote more frequently from now on.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:21 am

In post 3097, Kitz wrote:
In post 3053, Shinobi wrote:And I'm taking kitz off of my townlean list for her #2402.

Not gonna try and sound omgus-y in feel, but that sorta makes you scum. I wrote an actual valid reason why you shouldn't lynch VK, and I wrote more about why ABR is a trainwreck that can't be trusted.
You give me the impression you're the kind of player that reads, but this gave me the impression you just skipped over many parts and saw only the stereotypical "defending viking, no more town".
No actual reason as to why you took off the townlean, just stating that you did, which leaves you room for explanation, which can be thought of in time. Scummy.

Lmao no it doesn't. You've been listing me as scummy for stupid bullshit since the start of day 2, and kept putting me as scummier because of imaginary reasons afterwards.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:22 am

I want to kill Kitz.

If nothing else, it'll be fun because I love killing people who push suspicion on me for no reason.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:28 am

In post 3138, elusive wrote:LOL, did dragonspawn just vote ABR and then right after state "he is probably town"

Oh god, kmn or turn me into a bird so I can fly away.

Shinobi, I suggest you try to produce content that is relevant because Kitz is off limits. Here try these words: logic, analysis, case, evidence, and work from there.

Well I just gave you some at daystart, so maybe read that?

Shinobi · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:30 am

In post 3144, T S O wrote:quite sure he's town to be honest

Even if he is, he's going to need to get lynched at some point because of day 2.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:46 am

In post 3156, goodmorning wrote:I'm actually not at all interested in a Math wagon.

+1 to this.

Mathblade is being sorta ridiculous but I don't think that's necessarily scummy.

Pedit: Oh Math is selfvoting. Awesome.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:52 am

lol @ this game

GM, if we don't lynch ABR then who's next on the list? I propose Wake.

Pedit: Ds are you serious. Stop voting GM lol wtf.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:28 am

In post 3194, FakedBlogger wrote:
In post 3184, elusive wrote:Either scum with a special role or some kind of sk\third party\jester?

VOTE: elusive

Policy lynch

I don't get it?

Shinobi · Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:00 am

lol

Pedit: What TSO said.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 04, 2015 4:56 pm

You guys post so much and absolutely nothing happens in the interim.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:18 pm

Do vengefuls visit?

Shinobi · Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:47 pm

In post 3410, MathBlade wrote:*sigh* ABR is town. Don't do this please...:

Hrm.

Shinobi · Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:41 pm

Shinobi · Mon Mar 09, 2015 5:35 am

Kitz is annoying me again.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 09, 2015 6:07 am

In post 3699, FakedBlogger wrote:
In post 3671, Nobody Special wrote:
Vote: NakedJogger

Does anyone want to lynch this guy?

Kind of, but I'm not 100% on it. I refuse to explain this.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:01 am

In post 3711, T S O wrote:I don't think I've ever seen you as scum.

I've seen it firsthand.

She makes lots of excuses not to post.

Lots

of them. Meta-wise, this doesn't fit her scumgame and she feels a lot more engaged and invested than the last time I played with her.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:42 am

In post 3719, SilverWolf wrote:pedit-Yes GM on a couple issues, also I've seen your towngame once and you seemed like you didn't really want to get involved in the game at all and although I haven't played with you as scum, my understanding is you are more involved as scum than as town.

Can you elaborate on this? I've played with her as scum and I came to the exact opposite conclusion.

Shinobi · Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:10 am

Interdasting.

We're still probably going to lose because of ABR's hero play but you know...Interdasting.

Shinobi · Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:38 am

In post 3828, Kitz wrote:
In post 3814, ika wrote:naked jogger, town citizen has been modkilled and turned neutral survivor

In post 3814, ika wrote:
town citizen

WAT DAH FJUUUUUUUUUK

/cutwrist

Meh.

Poking "Nobody Special", "Shinoby", "T S O" and "Aeronaut".

#Mod : Can we get a role reroll due to the nature of this game?

Literally the worst scumlist of all time.

Shinobi · Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:39 am

You didn't even spell my name correctly.

Who says Shinoby?

WHO?

Shinobi · Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:45 am

In post 3839, T S O wrote:"I am trying to pin down a motivation towards asking for a votecount."

Could you fake scumhunt any worse, NS?

This.

I'll look into ns when I get home.

Shinobi · Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:37 am

So.

Uh.

Meh.

Shinobi · Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:35 am

In post 3905, Cheetory6 wrote:Only other case I can get behind right now is the pre-replace-out case on Wake.
With ABR/NakedJogger/Math all having flipped town, I think that quickhammer he did may have just been an attempt to capitalize on the stupid shit that was happening.
I'm still trying to decide how I feel about his replace out in general, because I can see the angle of him being town that just doesn't want to have to give a shit anymore, but it did kind of feel like he was being a bit too intentionally loud about that detail.

marquis wrote:makes a lot of sense as a pisskop partner.
Can you pull up specific examples of where you see this?

Scum probably doesn't replace out in such a trainwreck of a game.

It's the only thing stopping me from pursuing that wagon.

Shinobi · Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:51 am

I'm aware that it isn't the towniest thing, but do we really think that scum throws away an easy win like that?

Even if he gets lynched as scum his team is still

way

ahead here.

Shinobi · Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:54 am

The more I post about it, the less confident I feel in that read.

That slot can still be scum.

Shinobi · Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:21 am

In post 3911, SilverWolf wrote:Who says he's throwing away an easy win? He's not getting himself modkilled. He's just replacing. He's been extremely busy. It's the perfect WIFOM replace out. I would not of voted him for that alone but due to his other extremely out of character aggressive behavior, refusal to vote except to hammer VF and doing nothing but complain about how long the game is and how he doesn't want to read it or post any reads or do anything but complain about how long it is and be useless or make excuses, if he isn't scum, I don't know who is. I'll post some specific posts that show this.

He's gotta be scum.

Yeah, I came to the same conclusion earlier. Meh.

In post 3910, Nobody Special wrote:
In post 3836, Nobody Special wrote:Shin, why do you interpret the list as a scumlist? I read it as an activity/lurker list.

Hello?

VOTE: Shinobi

I even spelled it properly!

lol?

What exactly are you trying to do here?

Shinobi · Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:21 am

That is the lamest vote I've ever seen.

Shinobi · Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:30 am

Does anyone know if NS always harps on useless details like this? I've never played with him before.

Shinobi · Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:53 am

In post 3920, Nobody Special wrote:
In post 3917, Shinobi wrote:Does anyone know if NS always harps on useless details like this? I've never played with him before.

Yes, I do.

Just answer the damned question.

Because she had some of those people on her scumlist before so I assumed it was a scumlist.

Shinobi · Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:39 pm

In post 3928, SilverWolf wrote:TSO reads like frustrated town to me. He worked a lot harder in 178 from what I saw. That said, his defensiveness and apathetic behavior is kind of annoying and I'd wagon him if it would get him to stop whining and start scumhunting.

Shinobi-no whining but very apathetic and won't agree to a read/vote/wagon whatever-I would wagon him as well if it would get him to commit to something for real.

Can wagon Marquis, especially considering that wagon was my idea to start with.

My only issue with the wagon was Wake's replace, which seemed kind of unnecessary from a scum standpoint. /shrug, maybe it's not an important factoid. The more I think about it, the less I think it matters.

@NS: Did my answer give you anything or are you just going to continue to votepark on me for funsies?

Pedit: I'm in agreement with Aero; dragonspawn's post regarding me was really weak, especially since scum loves to prod me to do stuff when I'm lazy since it makes them look like they care without actually doing anything in regards to solving the game.

Shinobi · Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:20 pm

Marquis is correct. FA's #3784 and #3938 don't jive.

What warranted the change?

Shinobi · Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:45 pm

Nevermind, he answered it and I'm just ignoring stuff.

Shinobi · Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:04 pm

In post 3944, Nobody Special wrote:
In post 3936, Shinobi wrote:@NS: Did my answer give you anything or are you just going to continue to votepark on me for funsies?

I was not impressed by your answer. I'm going to keep an eye on you, and for now, my vote.

So what kind of answer would you have found satisfactory?

I don't even know how you can draw a conclusion about my alignment from that question.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:35 am

In post 4032, SilverWolf wrote:Ozgin and Shinobi-thoughts?

Idk. I'll post thoughts when I get home from work.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:04 pm

In post 4061, FA_Q2 wrote:
In post 4003, Aeronaut wrote:Catching up

And yet no posts after this....

And?

Shinobi · Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:26 pm

Tempted to agree with DS. FA should still follow up on that Aeronaut thing though.

Did Ozgin ever have a scumread on FA beforehand?

Shinobi · Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:10 pm

In post 4066, Shinobi wrote:Tempted to agree with DS. FA should still follow up on that Aeronaut thing though.

Did Ozgin ever have a scumread on FA beforehand?

No, he said FA made a very useful post, only coming up with a scumread when he got to L-1.

How convenient.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:39 pm

Like half the game is apathetic. I'm apathetic. I could lynch like half the game and not even care because this game is kind of ass and ABR did something he really shouldn't have.

Why FA over literally any other player in the game that doesn't care? You know, aside from the fact that he's at L-1.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:55 pm

No, but it does mean you don't really have much of a case to begin with when apathy is prevalent which just means it's really convenient.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:08 pm

Except that wasn't the point I was making.

Why FA_Q over any other apathetic player in the game, aside from the fact that he is at L-1?

Shinobi · Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:09 pm

How does someone even liken slavery to town apathy?

Shinobi · Mon Mar 16, 2015 5:25 pm

I'm probably just going to cut off this conversation right here because Ozgin is annoying me.

He's probably town though, fwiw.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:00 pm

In post 4081, Ozgin wrote:
In post 4080, Shinobi wrote:I'm probably just going to cut off this conversation right here because Ozgin is annoying me.

He's probably town though, fwiw.

I promise I'm not trying to be annoying or disruptive, I just feel like our thought processes led us to butt heads.

Yeah, that's kind of where I'm at I think. Cutting it off is probably best and will most likely be more productive.

But I can agree to call the conversation here and discuss more important things.

Stepping away from FA_Q for a minute here (considering his wagon is slowing down and his reaction read town to me), What players are really far UTR right now, and does anybody else think they should be pressured? I personally want to hear from Kitz, who only lightly weighed in on FA_Q once and has been generally disinterested in this game.

I even ISO'd Kitz and looked a little, and Kitz, if you really feel so 'meh-ish', why not replace out, or just try to move past the bullshit that had been stinking up the last few days and try to reap some good information like the rest of us?

I found it suspicious that Kitz kept coming up with 50 billion excuses to scumread me which gets tiring after a while. I have issues sorting newer players attacking me sometimes since it's hard for me to tell if them being wrong is a matter of newness or scumness.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 16, 2015 6:08 pm

In post 3944, Nobody Special wrote:
In post 3936, Shinobi wrote:@NS: Did my answer give you anything or are you just going to continue to votepark on me for funsies?

I was not impressed by your answer. I'm going to keep an eye on you, and for now, my vote.

Did nobody else have a problem with this?

Shinobi · Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:10 pm

Marquis is actually posting complete thoughts.

I'm tempted to townread the slot for it.

Shinobi · Thu Mar 19, 2015 6:14 am

I'm around.

Shinobi · Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:08 am

I'm gonna be honest: I don't really care who I lynch right now.

I just want to lynch somebody.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:23 am

Who would shoot NS?

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:25 am

In post 4343, Kitz wrote:
In post 4342, Shinobi wrote:Who would shoot NS?

Doc can't heal itself. Scum killed NS.

Gee. Thanks.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:51 am

All of the kills have been pretty crazy - and most of them were roles.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:59 am

In post 4358, T S O wrote:I want to spontaneously lynch Aeronaut I just do

Why?

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:20 am

Marquis are you going to call me scum for bullshit reasons again?

You know how well that worked out for you last time.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:33 am

Actually, I'm going to change my tactics here a bit:

In post 4375, Marquis wrote:i'm just going to get rid of my do-not-lynch list entirely and go for the easier, less-potential-disaster option between those two. there's an added benefit in that i don't remember any significant reads on or from him or things he's done. scum removing himself from significant interactions? likely

VOTE: shinobi

Elaborate on this and show where it's consistent with my filter/posting instead of just saying "I don't remember anything so he's mafia lol."

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:43 am

Do people even try to spell my name properly anymore?

The constant misspellings are so amusing.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:44 am

In post 4392, SilverWolf wrote:ABR lied and said he investigated Shinobi as a cop N1 and got an innocent. Obviously, he wasn't the cop.

Then he said he tracked Shinobi to nowhere N1 and tracked mathblade to Ellie N2-basically the mathblade part was a lie so I don't trust him on the Shinobi part either.

I wish he would of told us the honest truth about who he tracked before he hammered himself.

He told us about the bolded when he retracted cop and reclaimed tracker.

Though this is a fun way of trying to ignore in-game events.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:49 am

But it's so much fun seeing what people come up with...

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:04 am

Yo, if you guys are actually going to suspect me then at least have the balls to question me instead of playing around the possibilities behind track results.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:32 am

Kitz that would fall under moderator lies I think. Pisskop flipped roleblocker, not yakuza or some variant thereof.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:33 am

Posting at work is so clunky lmfao.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:09 pm

Tso read my wiki. It was the Rick Santorum game.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:25 pm

In post 4435, T S O wrote:Oh yeah, I hated Marquis' play there too. I should go take a look.

Gonna follow up on this?

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:26 pm

Never mind, I thought my time stamps were still off by an hour but they're not.

Continue.

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:11 pm

Not remembering is not an excuse.

Read the thread.

If you think his reasons are bullshit, do you think he's scum? Why or why not?

I'm trying to figure that out by questioning him?

Shinobi · Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:15 pm

In post 4455, goodmorning wrote:
In post 4454, Cheetory6 wrote:
VOTE: Shinobi
You really need to give some more extensive reads because I have no idea where you stand on just about everyone right now and I literally can't remember anything you've said or done recently. Your play strikes me as pretty safe and I can't think of a better place for scum to be hiding right now than in the background. Who do you think is scum and why? Why aren't you voting for anyone?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

?

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:57 am

In post 4468, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 4465, dragonspawn wrote:
In post 4463, SilverWolf wrote:Kitz: I haven't forgotten about your original big post either.

Also, I have some stuff posted in the hood on a couple people I need to get post links for and then post but there's this little matter of time!!

Relax wolf. Day just started.no one is going to rush a lynch

I'm going to use ika's patented tried and true scumhunting method here:

dragon-Are you scum?

Why is what he said scummy and why aren't you following up on you thinking I'm suspicious?

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:55 am

In post 4473, Marquis wrote:yeah 4456-7 and his response to me voting him are super gross

let's go shinobi wagon

lol are you guys fucking kidding me

"Hey, can you elaborate on your vote?"
"WHAT A BAD RESPONSE HE'S MAFIA LOL"

VOTE: Marquis

Kill this.

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:05 pm

In post 4476, Marquis wrote:
In post 4474, Shinobi wrote:"Hey, can you elaborate on your vote?"

lol bs on that, all you did was threaten me with a past game where i got lynched over you, plus i already elaborated in my original vote and i'm not ashamed to admit your posting after my vote is only strengthening my fortitude and confidence here

so don't pretend like you're innocent. the difference here is this game i'm town, and even if i lose this 1v1 i'm totally ready to have, it's not the end of the world now. i'll be on the record as having started a wagon on scum and died for it in the end

Show me where you elaborated.

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:09 pm

Your original post is not going to cut it, either. I told you to show examples and say how you came to that conclusion in regards to me not doing anything because just saying it and then saying "he looks town so prbs scum lol" isn't enough.

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:14 pm

UNVOTE:

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:38 pm

This whole Shinobi/TSO/Marquis thing reads like a self-fulfilling prophecy of three people being super paranoid of each other out of respect.

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:40 pm

What if we lynched Aeronaut?

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:46 pm

I don't really see how Marquis is scum outside of his doofiness.

Maybe it's just because I'm not used to him putting together such nice posts like this. I don't know. I've never actually seen Marquis roll town so seeing such a huge change in his posting is giving me pause.

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:48 pm

Wake was pretty scummy though. How much stock did you put in the case on him a couple days ago?

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:57 pm

Eh.

Not really feeling scum!Marquis here.

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:02 pm

Who's MQ?

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:10 pm

In post 4510, Kitz wrote:
In post 4509, Shinobi wrote:Who's MQ?

Who else has a freaking Q in their name?

Just making sure.

Why would you suggest lynching Marquis/myself when we were just trying to kill each other?

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:20 pm

In post 4512, Kitz wrote:
In post 4511, Shinobi wrote:Why would you suggest lynching Marquis/myself when we were just trying to kill each other?

That's why.

???

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:50 pm

Kitz how does that make any sense?

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:27 pm

What about Aeronaut?

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:33 pm

In post 4519, SilverWolf wrote:
In post 4517, Shinobi wrote:What about Aeronaut?

So far, a town vibe on Aero.

Do you think otherwise?

I'm open to other opinions on any one in the game because I kind of feel lost to be totally honest.

I don't know. He's just kind of been here and I don't really see anyone talking about him much at all.

So...Why not Aeronaut?

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 2:37 pm

In post 4521, dragonspawn wrote:I keep getting mixed vibes on aero. There are times when I think he is definitely Town. And yet there is something nagging me about him. Maybe it's the fact that he has been tunnelling me all game. It irritates me because I can't define it.

Forgive me if I've overlooked it, but have you ever gotten the vibe that he's been listening to you at all or is he just tunneling you for the sake of tunneling you?

Shinobi · Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:01 pm

Why are people under the impression that there

has

to be one mafia in the experienced player group of Shinobi/TSO/Marquis?

Doesn't Aeronaut fall under that category as well or what?

Shinobi · Wed Mar 25, 2015 4:58 am

In post 4559, goodmorning wrote:Won't lynch: Cheetory6, Aeronaut
Could lynch: Marquis, dragonspawn, SilverWolf
Would lynch: Shinobi, Ozgin, Kitz
Should lynch: T S O, elusive

This is kind of where my head is at right now.

Explain how you came to your conclusions plx?

Shinobi · Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:07 am

That's like 8 people in your lynch pile, and your entire "would lynch" is a bunch of people fighting amongst themselves.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:30 am

I don't really think the quotes you've pulled are particularly damning.

Other than the fact that Marquis is fixated on you, I don't see the issue. It seems like what he's saying is legitimate, despite being wrong.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:31 am

For you to sell him as scum means the scenario he's bringing up, IE "experienced players running in circles around everyone else" can only come from a mafia mindset, and I don't really see that as being the case.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:15 am

VOTE: goodmorning

Let's go with this then.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:30 am

Eh.

UNVOTE:

I feel like there's probably a plausible explanation there for those things.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:11 am

VOTE: Aeronaut

Shinobi · Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:13 am

In post 4584, goodmorning wrote:
In post 4582, Shinobi wrote:I feel like there's probably a plausible explanation there for those things.

Probably.

Would you care to give us them then?

Shinobi · Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:37 am

VOTE: goodmorning

Okay, guess I'll just chill out right here then.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:05 am

In post 4588, goodmorning wrote:It's almost as though you've never played me before.

Except that you have.

Yeah, once; you were scum.

You made terrible reads between players that were attacking each other and came up with reasons not to post, which is exactly what you're doing now.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:29 am

What exactly am I agreeing/disagreeing with here? I don't really understand what you're asking.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:46 am

@GM: Stop writing off the fact that you made terrible reads because you didn't get lynched by an apathetic town. Your reads were bad then and they're bad now for the exact same reasons.

You're ignoring the fact that I called you out for it then and writing it off as meaningless when you know for a fact that it's not, which is mega scummy.

@TSO: My whole understanding of the you/Marquis fight is that you're both wrapped up in calling the reads you have on one another as bullshit, and it seems like you both have reasonable defenses to what the other is saying.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:13 pm

So if we don't lynch either of those two players, who do we lynch?

I propose Kitz. It will be fun, if nothing else.

Shinobi · Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:44 pm

(I'm aware that feels don't make someone town but, with Kitz' life on the line, why not take a chance?)