Micro 440: Triplicate Mafia - Game Over

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Where is wisdom? That's the only name i recognize in this game.

brb dying

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Where is wisdom? That's the only name i recognize in this game.

brb dying

this doesn't look like townhunting to me gm
are you scum?

halp they have caught me

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Last time I played this set up, gm killed me off for the win.

more pedits gm can be a tricksy one.

TRUTH

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I'm still super distracted trying to figure out where I know Hopkirk from.

In the meantime, as long as we're sharing tinfoil theories: every time I've played Witness I've found him impossibly scummy from the first. I don't now, therefore he must be Scum.

I WIN THAT IS ALL

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anyway, i just had a pretty crazy tinfoil theory.
i like tinfoil. it is shiny and makes nice hats.

It also makes a good makeshift cheese-melting oven.

Perp feels like Perptown, but I haven't played with them before, so my meta divings are probably not super indicative.

Why did you meta dive them instead of commenting on someone who's actually from your group?

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VOTE: zubullu

Zubullu? That hurts, man.

Why the unannounced vote on me?

Why did you meta dive them instead of commenting on someone who's actually from your group?

I tend to meta dive everyone I haven't played with before so I can get an idea of what their RVS play might mean. Perp stood out because their RVS scumplay looked significantly different from this game. I have been commenting on my own group. Haven't you noticed? Doesn't mean I'm not going to see what everyone else posts.

These are both scumposts.

To respond to Scripten: how would you know their RVS scumplay would be different before you meta'd them? I am confused. No you haven't. Jumping on the "you said we might be the all-Town bloc so CLEARLY SCUM" bandwagon barely counts and neither of your other prior posts mentions your groupmates.
Have you played with both other members of your group before?

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Trying too hard to be casual.

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GM is town

OR AM I?!?!?!?!?!1?

1

how would you know their RVS scumplay would be different before you meta'd them? I am confused.

2

No you haven't. Jumping on the "you said we might be the all-Town bloc so CLEARLY SCUM" bandwagon barely counts and neither of your other prior posts mentions your groupmates.

3

Have you played with both other members of your group before?

1 - I didn't know until after I went meta diving. Their posting was erratic and that can sometimes mean scum. Don't think it does atm.

2 - I was the first person to say anything about his post. BBmolla said he was scum, I guess?

3 - Nope. I know serrapaladin a bit from reputation, but WP is new to me.

Then back to my original question: why PN first? Why not WP? Or even serra, if all you know about him is reputation?
As for 2, stop moving the goalpoasts; 2 out of your 3 posts didn't make any mention of your groupmates. You hadn't been talking about them in 67% of your posts. Yes, I recognise that 3 posts isn't a massive sample size BUT STILL.
(and ftr i am defining the "you said we might be the all-Town bloc so CLEARLY SCUM" thing as a bandwagon because it clearly has no basis in fact, is simply popular opinion for whatever reason) (also it looks like the kind of thing Scum would say for an easy scumread BUT I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, NOPE)

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Then back to my original question: why PN first? Why not WP? Or even serra, if all you know about him is reputation?

Because Perp's meta actually told me something.

Yes, but why would you think that it necessarily would? Especially given that Witness mentioned a game with this exact setup that he was in before?

As for 2, stop moving the goalpoasts; 2 out of your 3 posts didn't make any mention of your groupmates. You hadn't been talking about them in 67% of your posts. Yes, I recognise that 3 posts isn't a massive sample size BUT STILL.

But still

what

exactly? You've had seven posts and have only mentioned your groupmates in two of them, so does that mean I'm 33% scum and you're 71% scum? This is silly and smells like distraction.

I have observed a trend of you ignoring your group, which makes me think you want to fly under their radars.

Trying too hard to be casual.

Isn't that what RVS is supposed to be, though? If scum feel relaxed instead of pressured they are much more likely to say something stupid early game imo. That allows you to scumhunt effectively and make the right call come in-game sundown. I get that appearing town is what scum would want to do, but it's also what town wants to do. I've been mislynched in lylo my last 2 games, and this is basically 3 lylos.

The first three words of my post are the most important ones. Your response doesn't really make sense to me in context.

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Yes, but why would you think that it necessarily would? Especially given that Witness mentioned a game with this exact setup that he was in before?

I must not be explaining very well here. I meta dove every player here that I haven't played with before to get an idea about RVS play from each of them, since D1 looks very important in this setup. Most RVS play is pretty generic, but Perp's stood out from their scum play, thus I mentioned it so that others would follow in my footsteps and check their meta.

And you didn't mention that you meta'd everyone when I asked you "why PN

instead of

someone from your group" because? Wouldn't the obvious answer to that be "I meta'd everyone I haven't played, but only PN's provided meaningful insights"?

I have observed a trend of you ignoring your group, which makes me think you want to fly under their radars.

You're using some pretty strong language for all of three posts. You're also kinda ignoring that I actually found potential scum motivation behind WP's post.

If I watch a door for half an hour, and three people come out - all blonde women - then I would expect the next person out to, similarly, be a blonde woman. People are wired to notice patterns.

As for "potential Scum motivations" - Witness pointed out himself that it has previously come from Town (as would I have had I thought it would be necessary); therefore Town, having said it, must have had a reason to say it and so it follows that it is not, in point of fact, a particularly alignment-indicative thing for Witness to have said.

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That's effort as in posting effort, not acting effort. Interesting interpretation though.

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What's the scum motivation to mentioning the all Town group? Was I(scum) trying to trick my group somehow? We still have to lynch one of us. That was what Sthar8 & Jingle (I don't remember the name of their hydra ) got accused of in my last Triplicate game. But it doesn't even make sense, pushing mentioning the all Town group as a scum tell. I'm all for tin foil theories, but you just say it's scummy, but never try to explain why you think it's scum.

@ gm

Was that you two pushing it? I don't remember.

Lying Cat (that hydra) was pushing the concept and I was happy to sit back and float by on a wave of towniness.

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Witness is probably the scum unless he can refute Scripten's points.

Scripten's points.

Scripten's points.

Scripten's points.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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@GM: Prove me wrong instead of being condescending, maybe?

1. You have not made "points" about Witness. You've made one point.
2. That point is that suggesting one's group might be the all-Town group is only Scum-motivated.
3. Witness and I have pointed out a time when a townie said it, demonstrating that there are Town motivations for doing so and not only Scum motivations as you claim.

Completely out-of-game, your dismissive, short-sighted tunneling seriously makes me not want to play mafia. Seriously.

If I could lynch anyone right now, only one person, it would be Zeb. Not you.
I find it interesting that you're trying to guilt me into backing off of you though.

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I'm not really putting any weight on your vote but on the reasoning for it - and "potential Scum motivation" is a thing you keep saying but it doesn't make the action anything other than Null.

I never said you should change your vote.

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I said that the scum motivation from asserting that you are part of the all-town group would be insurance for after a lynch. Say serrapaladin or myself flipped town. "Oh, well, that must mean that we're the all-town group. Hahaha, I was right. What a funny coincidence."

This is way worse than anything I posted, because this reasoning assumes that everyone in this game is a complete and utter idiot.

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@gm: does his frustration read genuine to you?

In some ways, but the jumping around reads fake.

This is way worse than anything I posted, because this reasoning assumes that everyone in this game is a complete and utter idiot.

Obviously I was working from a bit of hyperbole, but still... you don't often see scum placing little things into their posts that are meant to slightly push the town to keep suspicion off of them?

You DO see them. That's my point. There is very little that a Scum can do that's going to be THAT subtle.

I said that the scum motivation from asserting that you are part of the all-town group would be insurance for after a lynch. Say serrapaladin or myself flipped town. "Oh, well, that must mean that we're the all-town group. Hahaha, I was right. What a funny coincidence."

This is way worse than anything I posted, because this reasoning assumes that everyone in this game is a complete and utter idiot.

Does it really? I could easily see scum subtly pushing the notion that their group is all town, if not as obviously as scrip suggests.

Yes, but you'd have to be an idiot not to look at all options no matter what anyone else says.

ugh 110 is not even a good post
why do you people think he is town

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Brain melting, more later.

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Scrip wasn't really using his frustration in a way that might give him an advantage, so I quite like him for town. I don't really know what you mean by him "jumping around"?

I mean that his self-defence is all over the place.

I don't have a full-blown townread on zeb, but I have no doubt that town!zebulin could absolutely come up with an interpretation of BB's meta and apply it as in 110, be it correct or not. I somewhat liked that his early play felt somewhat loose. That being said. the only questions he's asked that are actually relevant to his actions and understanding of the game are why people are voting for him, which could well be the scummy flavour of self-preservation. There were some details in PN's posts that pinged more than anything by zeb though - mentioning how much time we have on the DL for one, and the unrequested list of whom to lynch, going very much along the path of least resistance. I don't buy that people can read that slot from the level of seriousness.

...so PN providing his reads pinged you? Or is it just that they were close to current sentiment?

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@Zeb: Having trouble getting into the game due to lack of anything really catching my interest and being as confident as a can that i'm voting scum.

Even if nothing is catching your interest, you could ask some questions. It's probably a lock that it will be between you and me in our block, so how about we turn our attentions to the other blocks and input there.

I'd like it if the two of you would do this, because I'm having a hard time reading you and I think it would help.

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^concur

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I was liking Hopkirk til 172, now I think maybe not so Town?

As for me not really being around: I'm taking six 3000-level classes. My professors are mostly ridiculous.

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I was liking Hopkirk til 172, now I think maybe not so Town?

As for me not really being around: I'm taking six 3000-level classes. My professors are mostly ridiculous.

Can you go into a bit of detail about what you don't like about 172? I have my own issues with the post, but I'm surprised it would make you do a 180.

Also, totally understand. Last semester of my senior year right now. All upper division classes.

My main problem is the enumerated responses to Lucky's 99. There's a marked propensity there for staring fixedly at one possibility and ignoring the rest.

They seem to get further from the real world every semester.

I'm enjoying seeing PN actually posting. I'll have to do a reread at some point.

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Random strategy I just thought of: If we hit 1 scum D1 and mislynch D2 in a group where town died D2, then policy lynching the 3rd member will give Town and 67% chance of victory. I'd policy lynch if I lived that long, though I'll probably be lynched or nightkilled

"In your dreams Zeb" says everyone

before then.

That wouldn't happen, because Scum would have to kill a confTown from the group where Scum was hit.

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So Molla is Town after all. Hm.

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So Molla is Town after all. Hm.

I would call this whiteknighting if it wasn't for the fact that those posts really are town.

Uh. What?

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I haven't talked about him because he hasn't previously posted enough for me to remember trying to read him.

But that's not really the definition of WKing so idk

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The only lynch choice I'm truly comfortable stating with my mind where it is RIGHT NOW is Zeb.

Hopkirk vs Lucky... I don't really have enough from Lucky, and Hopkirk has posted posts that go both ways.

The entirety of group W is SUPER SCUMMY in my mind right now. I think Scripten is least but I really need a good reread.

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Titus, a scum read no matter what.

That's how I usually read Titus too.

My town read wasn't for zeb sticking to his logic, but rather showing that he had some original thought about whether the ongoing discussion was TvT or TvM.

I still don't know why that made you townread him.

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Because it reflected genuine effort to discern scrip/wp's alignments.

I don't know about that. Sometimes analysing things as 'TvT' or 'TvS' is an easy way for Scum to look like they're trying to discern people's alignments.

And do you not think it's terrible that BC acknowledges that he's scum reading someone he always does?

I think it's terrible that Lucky is a person he always scumreads because Lucky usually ends up pretty readable.

And if you always scumread someone, maybe that's a sign you should adjust your baseline for them?

Sometimes that's easier said than done.

Having lucky as your largest scumread because you always scumread him is truly awful.

You are my largest scum read and really the only one I care about at this point because I can actually do something about you. And show me where you answered the whole: "Original thought" thing since you agree I have only focused on you. You just spent all this time making shit up.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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Which I found to actually be somewhat thoughtful, and suggested he had actually thought about the witness/scrip argument, and I agree with his logic and conclusion. Had his response been "uh, it just sort of feels TvM", I'd very much have gone the other way on him.

So he spouts a bunch of theory and that makes you townread him. Theory's not indicative, but your gentle WKing of him is what's making me paranoid about you.

Hopkirk is still the most likely Power scum for the prod dodges everywhere (it could be the he actually has a life, but he could at least take a stance on people who aren't in Power).

1. It's weird that Lucky is the only person you didn't mention.
2. It's especially weird that you didn't mention him given that he's posted less content than Hopkirk.

Given that the deadline is ~3pm my time and I'll be on before then, I'll wait to hammer. I want to see if Lucky's going to post anything more.

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ughhhhh

Vote: Hopkirk

can talk more later if thread still open

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I almost voted you for not getting those final thoughts in.

FORTUNATELY NOT.