NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER

Pine · Post Post #6650 (ISO) » Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:59 pm

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Nope. Last-ditch wolf ploy. Real!Mafia wouldn't care, because screw Town. Wolf would make a claim like that, because they have a partner to carry on the side. Solo Mafia is in ad hoc SK mode, and has to keep up the pretense

Besides, the only way you're Mafia is if you completely faked the BP claim

Boonskiies · Post Post #6651 (ISO) » Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:00 pm

it would be goon neighbor, wouldn't it?

Pine · Post Post #6652 (ISO) » Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:07 pm

In post 6651, Boonskiies wrote:it would be goon neighbor, wouldn't it?

What?

Slandaar · Post Post #6653 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:20 am

Mafia can't claim mafia, yes.

Which is why Thors reaction to your claim was so bad.

Slandaar · Post Post #6654 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:25 am

In post 6648, Pine wrote:Slandaar, if you think NC is the other wolf, just shoot him tonight

Get back on Boon

Doubt it's Nero/Boon.

Nero is a wolf.

Thor needs to actually show up and vote....

Nero Cain · Post Post #6655 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 2:43 am

heh. his is one of the few times that TSO can legit claim that "I messed up" Its ME that doesn't believe 11 vt claims. So I got a little caught up in the moment there but still. Slan using schematics (that I wasn't asking him which claim was lying) is absolutely bullsnork.

Boon and Slandaar are deff scum. I do think they way they are pushing each other as wolf proves that. I mean MAYBE I could be wrong but I do believe its Slandaar/Boon with Pine as wolf.

Slandaar · Post Post #6656 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:00 am

In post 6655, Nero Cain wrote:heh. his is one of the few times that TSO can legit claim that "I messed up" Its ME that doesn't believe 11 vt claims. So I got a little caught up in the moment there but still. Slan using schematics (that I wasn't asking him which claim was lying) is absolutely bullsnork.

Correcting your wording is not semantics especially when the wording is important to the interpretation and meaning of what you said.

What semantics argument am I making?

Thor665 · Post Post #6657 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:07 am

In post 6622, Pine wrote:
In post 6614, T S O wrote:I just find nothing you are doing town at all - you're so concerned on winning arguments that you resort to bullshit semantics.

Plus, you're in every Wolf team I think of.

Sigh

No

Even if he is wolf, Boon is a better lynch because BULLETPROOF

It's funny how much you sound like a scum in basically every post you make. Just keep having to say that about you, I suppose.

I do consider that fairly clear Boon/Pine rule out though.
Frankly I'm trying to figure out who Boon makes partner sense as - I know some are trying to sell his push on me as weak but I think the only person he hasn't made a run at today is TSO. I don't think a TSO/Boon team makes a lot of sense. Leads me to go Mafia or town on Boon.

In post 6631, Slandaar wrote:Who doesn't think Nero is scum?

I am of the opinion that he makes more sense as town than scum.

In post 6653, Slandaar wrote:Mafia can't claim mafia, yes.

Which is why Thors reaction to your claim was so bad.

I know that Pine has been utterly unable to find a non-phone to explain his read.
Would you care to try?

No one has done anything to really change my opinions from my setup spec. Both Boon and TSO were pretty happy to push both Pine and Slandaar and, in fact, even changed to a Slandaar push, which tends to clear them as buddies to either.

Vote: Slandaar

L-1

I would still advocate Mafia to shoot Pine if Slandaar flips as not-Wolf.
I would advocate Wolves to shoot Boon.

Thor665 · Post Post #6658 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:10 am

Actually, as far as the Mafia shot goes, I suppose it depends on who the Mafia is.
I suppose if Slandaar flips town I would mildly buy into my paranoia case of TSO/Boon - but if Mafia is one of those - well, shoot Pine. If Mafia is neither of those and/or is Pine, then maybe shoot in there? That's my vague desperation guess if my current reads are wrong.

Pine · Post Post #6659 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:20 am

This is me not hammering Slandaar. A Mafia flip from him should clear me as Wolf

Unvote
Vote Thor

Look, at this point none of these vanity wagons are going through. A Slandaar lynch could happen, and that scares me, as I'm pretty sure he's Mafia. We ALL agree (more or less) on Thor. Let's not have an anti-Town lynch

Thor665 · Post Post #6660 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:37 am

I think you somewhat misunderstand the principles of this lylo.

Why were you voting Boons and then weakening that wagon to vote me at the 11th hour?

Boonskiies · Post Post #6661 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:14 am

Welp, when Slandaar flips wolf, I think it's pretty obvious Pine is the partner, with the slight possibility that it's Nero.

Pine · Post Post #6662 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:55 am

In post 6661, Boonskiies wrote:Welp, when Slandaar flips wolf, I think it's pretty obvious Pine is the partner, with the slight possibility that it's Nero.

Umm, no. Slandaar is

Mafia

. If/when we get to a D6 that still involves both Slandaar and I, I'll happily put the noose around his neck

Pine · Post Post #6663 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:55 am

In post 6660, Thor665 wrote:I think you somewhat misunderstand the principles of this lylo.

Why were you voting Boons and then weakening that wagon to vote me at the 11th hour?

The principle of this MYLO is that we need to lynch a wolf. My preferred wolf lynch isn't going to happen, and a game-ending mafialynch might. I'll go for the OTHER wolf, whom there is wider consensus on, instead. That's pretty obvious, actually

Slandaar · Post Post #6664 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:12 am

In post 6657, Thor665 wrote:I know that Pine has been utterly unable to find a non-phone to explain his read.
Would you care to try?

If mafia claims mafia then even with a wolf lynch today mafia dies and loses the game to the nk. Mafia therefore cannot claim mafia.

I saw this coming a while back but whatever still town I expect Nero to hammer.

Boonskiies · Post Post #6665 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:15 am

he's not mafia; wolfy.

Slandaar · Post Post #6666 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 8:17 am

Neither.

Thor665 · Post Post #6667 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:42 am

In post 6664, Slandaar wrote:
In post 6657, Thor665 wrote:I know that Pine has been utterly unable to find a non-phone to explain his read.
Would you care to try?

If mafia claims mafia then even with a wolf lynch today mafia dies and loses the game to the nk. Mafia therefore cannot claim mafia.

I saw this coming a while back but whatever still town I expect Nero to hammer.

Okay?

How does that make me a wolf exactly?

Pine · Post Post #6668 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:50 am

It doesn't. Everything about your D5 play says you're a wolf

Slandaar, you vanity wagon on Nero isn't going to happen. He's too Town. Lynch Thor with me

Nero, same to you

Boon, time to bus

TSO, I don't expect you to be anything other than your usual stubborn self, but a constructive vote would be super

Thor665 · Post Post #6669 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:55 am

In post 6668, Pine wrote:It doesn't. Everything about your D5 play says you're a wolf

I know - it says it so clearly you can't even describe how it does, even while trying to make me an emergency abort last minute wagon to Slandaar.

Pine · Post Post #6670 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:56 am

I've explained

repeatedly

why I think you're scum. Continually saying I haven't doesn't make the case go away

Pine · Post Post #6671 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:57 am

And yes, you're a last-minute abort counterwagon to Slandaar. I am

convinced

that a Slandaar leads to a Town loss

Pine · Post Post #6672 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 9:58 am

The fact that both wolves desperately want Slandaar dead is practically proof that this is a Mafia lynch

Thor665 · Post Post #6673 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:21 am

In post 6670, Pine wrote:I've explained
repeatedly
why I think you're scum. Continually saying I haven't doesn't make the case go away

Link?

Because last time I asked you said it was too much stuff to discuss.

You said that here;

In post 6462, Pine wrote:
In post 6460, Thor665 wrote:Yes, I agree, 'not a wolf' is useful.
Oddly, we have relational information for Mafia that we lack for town. Crazy that.
Also, we have scummy looking people that need to be sorted as either wolf or not a wolf - again, maiking spotting the Mafia useful.

In any case - again - what was my wolf reaction? Are you intentionally ducking responding to this question?

Yep

Proving what I saw is a lot of work, and I don't Smurfing feel like it

TL;DR is that you got all frenzied, pried for a bunch of information, and didn't actually let up much despite mouthing the words about a Mafia vote being anti-Town. In other words, I felt you were getting really excited to night kill me and wrap the game up. Wolf team' stop goal today (other than staying alive) is to identify the Mafia (another reason I don't feel like indulging you regarding my Mafia reads,) and I just handed you the answer.

Thor665 · Post Post #6674 (ISO) » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:22 am

So - as far as your 'already explained it' line - that's a lie. You recently openly admitted you were not going to explain it.
Meh.

If you are a town aligned role I pray I am never town with you. I'm lazy, but your lazy borders anti-town and is covered up by lying.