Open 585: Jungle Republic (ended)

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: metalcyanide

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: acryon

[orcinus_theoriginal]

im going to seer u tonight

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ok what's the background story between all you people who know each other so I'm not flying blind

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hey cheetoy are you ignoring me??

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: ginko

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: aristophanes

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orcinus, why all the random votes with no explanation?
Other than this, you've done almost nothing as of yet. What gives? Game related thoughts?
VOTE: Orcinus_TheOriginal

do you think i'm scummy, or are you trying to get a rise out of me?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orcinus, why all the random votes with no explanation?
Other than this, you've done almost nothing as of yet. What gives? Game related thoughts?
VOTE: Orcinus_TheOriginal

do you think i'm scummy, or are you trying to get a rise out of me?

I won't know if you're scummy until I get a rise out of you.
But the lack of conversation from you is anti-town at best.

ok. why do you think it's anti-town? i guess the assumption here is that because i'm not forcibly trying to fabricate scumreads in RVS i am contributing. and yet it would appear that my votes have given rise to the first serious/non-gut coversation in the game.

so i guess it's your turn to elabroate on that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Noticing a heavy divide between players I know and players I don't. MS people talk a lot less. Might take a while for me to know exactly how to read that.

haha good one

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hey where'd youg uys go

[orcinus_theoriginal]

So anyways after catching up on things I'm going to side with Ari with wanting to see an explanation from orcinus_theoriginal for his random votes.

Vote:orcinus_theoriginal

ok. why do you think it's anti-town? i guess the assumption here is that because i'm not forcibly trying to fabricate scumreads in RVS i am contributing. and yet it would appear that my votes have given rise to the first serious/non-gut coversation in the game.

so i guess it's your turn to elabroate on that

[orcinus_theoriginal]

oh sorry, i suppose i should start from the beginning

do you think i'm scum metalcyanide, or are you trying to get a rise out of me?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hey cheetory you're actually scum this game aren't you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yes you are VOTE: ginko

you are sidelining

[orcinus_theoriginal]

oh trust me. i have stronger tells on you than sidelining and you'll know when they start clicking

why didn't you give your meta of me in post 70?
why didn't you call ppl out on questioning my votes especially after the discussion about stacking votes?
more importantly cheetoy, why aren't you asking me any questions? did i really earn a free pass with AW because i don't think that's how you operate

[orcinus_theoriginal]

not really. i was waiting for people to call me out and that's already happened so we can talk about whatever

it feels like you are setting ari up for a mislynch or at least baiting him into a bad situation because i was obviously underplaying my own strength

to be honest i totally expected you to call me out on the rvs gimmick (it's actually my MO in the vast vast majority of games, but i didn't do it in advance wars so i've no idea why you didn't jump on it). did you feel like i was trying to target someone else with it?

do you feel like i'm "jumping" on you right now? how hard do you think my scumread is? does it make you nervous?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Why're you jumping on me for this right now?

related--do you expect me to not jump on you, ie do my posts surprise you in any way?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

sure

that did slip my mind, my apologies. so you thought my RVS here was characteristic and not alignment-indicative?

more importantly, i said that i've already accomplished what i wanted to.

I have had questions about what you're doing

why hasn't this happened yet?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

how impatient it feels you're being with me

oh trust me. i have stronger tells on you than sidelining and you'll know when they start clicking

reconcile these two statements please

[orcinus_theoriginal]

metalcyanide seems simultaneously self-concerned and not legitimately curious

don't really care about aritophanes' vote. no idea why acryon seemed defensive though

you said that i was impatient with you, presumably because you think that i expect you to do things faster (ie in your post, i expect you to townread me) and you are playing close to the chest. however, i've made it clear that the strength of my read on you is not particularly strong and that i'm not hard-scumming you for sidelining (ie i'm fine with you playing as you are).

have i said, after you 'explained' why you were playing close to the chest, that you were scum for doing so? no.

so in what way am i being impatient?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

eh. never mind that then. there's a subtle message there that didn't get across.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Was there a plan and a predefined read you thought you'd get from players calling you out or were you just waiting for anything?

i was definitely waiting for cheetoy to call me out. i don't think it's ok that that didn't end up happening but i'm not totally sure. still think he was baiting aristophanes, but i can wait.

and i don't know any of you so more i wanted to banter with the people who would invariably vote me

what do you think of cheet on this page?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

no

read bits of your pasts games

which

[orcinus_theoriginal]

ok

tell me why i struck you as a wild-card player and what that phrase means to you

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm not really sure where I'm baiting Ari..?

yes you are.

it feels like you are setting ari up for a mislynch or at least baiting him into a bad situation because i was obviously underplaying my own strength

Can I come back to you on this?

You would have thought I was town if I called you out? Why?

i wouldn't have thought you were town, but i would've expected town-you to do so. it's a necessary but not sufficient condition

and like i said i'm not entirely sure. in AW you questioned anything that stood out so that's where my expectation came from.

feel free to enunciate your bad vibes and not just sling mud at me

[orcinus_theoriginal]

intercepting that question. i was an easy vote.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

aside from missing a post which answered my question his post since then don't seem especially scummy.

which post did i miss?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

um, ok. which post did you miss?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'm not really sure where I'm baiting Ari..?

yes you are.

it feels like you are setting ari up for a mislynch or at least baiting him into a bad situation because i was obviously underplaying my own strength

Can I come back to you on this?

Incidentally, let's all talk about this sequence of events.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Because it really feels like you're posturing and asking questions to the audience here

i am asking questions to the audience, yes. hope that clears things up

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Pitch the scum-motivation in pretending that I didn't know what you were talking about when I literally asked you to point it out to me. Why would I fake that? What would the point be?

pitch the town motivation into posturing to not understand me

well you can't really do that either

also @all: when i said

I'm not really sure where I'm baiting Ari..?

yes you are.

it feels like you are setting ari up for a mislynch or at least baiting him into a bad situation because i was obviously underplaying my own strength

Can I come back to you on this?

Incidentally, let's all talk about this sequence of events.

i meant let's

all

talk about this sequence of events ie i actually want people to talk to me about this

[orcinus_theoriginal]

so you thought i was reaction testing? i don't believe that.

metalcyanide is a easy lynch and i'd rather sort cheet

i had a page of back and forth with cheet. i had one post where i addressed a question to everyone else in town. tell me more about talking to an audience

i think easy votes are lazy and i don't believe that you thought i was reaction testing

VOTE: ari

[orcinus_theoriginal]

It was also a necessary vote. It brought you out of the random voting and facilitated conversation. Is it bad that I made an "easy" vote?

Yes, you got the first "serious" conversation going. That doesn't tell me much.

cogdis

though I have some stuff I'll get to later in this post that I wanted to mention

this never happened

I'm not voting because of that, because it's not necessarily scummy, but it really is making me watch his posts

at least i hope you're not referring to the above

you are still voting me. why?


DANCE WITH ME
I WANT TO BE YOUR PARTNER CAN'T YOU SEE

[orcinus_theoriginal]

He's done it before

done what?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

As for this sequence of events you're questioning, Ocrinus, I really didn't see Ginko "setting me up" for anything.

you're not this dense. you're just scum and you're not trying to figure things out.

here let me guide you.

I'm not really sure where I'm baiting Ari..?

yes you are.

it feels like you are setting ari up for a mislynch or at least baiting him into a bad situation because i was obviously underplaying my own strength

Can I come back to you on this?

Incidentally, let's all talk about this sequence of events.

In the first quote (which chronologically came later), cheetory claims that he doesn't know why i'm accusing him of baiting ari.

However, earlier, he said the second quote, in which cheetory replies to my accusation of cheetory claiming him baiting ari with a "i'll come back later". ergo this implies that cheetory

knows exactly what i am saying

when i say he is baiting ari

so cheetory is lying

let's talk about people who lie

they tend to be scum, don't they?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

hey acryon i've played with you before

tell me that i'm not going crazy and that there is actually a clear contradiction in
1) cheetory first expresses explicit knowledge of what i mean when i said "cheet is baiting ari"
2) cheetory then says he doesn't know what i'm talking about

and that the point is actually flying right over lyserg and ari's head, as opposed to say me being batshit insane

[orcinus_theoriginal]

yeah but

we're all going to give cheet the space he wants to do whatever it is he wants to do

he said "i'll come back to you on this" meaning he knows what the 'this' is.

In fact, cheet says right here that he was just tired, and claims to have forgotten what i was talking about.

I was tired this morning, hungover and looking over four games of mafia. Pitch the scum-motivation in pretending that I didn't know what you were talking about when I literally asked you to point it out to me. Why would I fake that? What would the point be?

so it was a contradiction.

first he said that he'd come back to me which is an implicit acknowledgement of what i was talking about
then he said that he didn't know what i was talking about

the second statement is therefore a lie

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Please pitch why I would intentionally lie about that and not just have made a fuck up while coming back to the game from other things?

i need you to clarify more on how this fuckup happened

because from my POV it's pretty hard to forget why i said you were baiting ari and i'm not quite sure what your thought process was

[orcinus_theoriginal]

for the record my version of the events is you fucked up coming back to the game from other things, and that you were trying to lie / deflect my question

[orcinus_theoriginal]

UNVOTE:

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'll have to parse all this when I get home from work.
Too much to try addressing on my phone.

VOTE: Metal

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Lyserg, does it seem like I've been responding to any requests?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I'll try to get to everything here tonight. I had time to give a quick unvote because the ari wagon feels off, but I have not had time for anything else

[orcinus_theoriginal]

so im interviewing a congressman today and have a bunch of other shit i gotta get through so this is not happening

1) i didn't give my read on west while i was posting about other stuff because i don't have a read on west, a read on a player who has not stood out to me would require a bunch of meta (and people here can attest to how meta-heavy i can get)
2) i'm not the biggest fan of ari, but something about the wagon felt off and i didn't want to leave him at l-1. i think it's the fact that everyone seemed to jump on him and other lines of interest (cheet, me, etc) didn't seem to be genuinely pursued.
3) i have no clue what a lot of peopel here are saying. Lal's posts don't make sense to me and I hope that I don't have to explain why.

Also, asking for background on people who know each other IRL seemed odd to me, knowing everyone’s meta isn’t really that helpful when people can just lie about other people’s meta and their history in games together.

you are suggesting to me that when i post "hey tell me about your meta" to 8-odd people that they will all lie to me? wouldn't we just lynch the people who are lying? what?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

i think lal is super fency though.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I think I'm working on a bigger post and wanted to ask that first.

-Cheetory6

Whether you intended it or not, making a seemingly fluff-post when you have standing questions makes it look like you're dodging.

i am dodging.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

man offsite meta is so

weird

[orcinus_theoriginal]

sure. VOTE: lal

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Orcinus – Hasn’t posted much

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... rt_order=d

[orcinus_theoriginal]

@orci

, can you link me your last scumgame? Struggling to find something more recent than february.

-Cheetory6

Yep, that's it.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Ok

If I don't post substantially tonight I'll replace or ask for a hydra or smth

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Hey look here I'm on a bunch of scumpiles