Mini 462: Just another game of Mafia... over
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ok, day hasn't stared yet, so i'll just use the time to introduce myself,
since this is my first game here, and you all prob. know each other to some extent..
just a few of things you need to know about me and my style of play:
most important thing - > english is not my native language, so if i sound weird (probably cause i couldn't find the right word to express myself) or i suck at grammar, that's the reason.
i'm 22 years old student, and my style is aggressive, i'll jump on bandwagons all the time in the beginning cause i think it's useful for town.
i have a lot of experience in live mafia, but this is my first online game.
enough for now.
my first random vote -> when game officially begins.
have fun and enjoy the game guystonight.. you!-
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well, one thing i learned about mafia:
setting rules = bad
because any rule we set as "good" scum can follow and stay under the radar.. so, now i won't bandwagon.. or i will. more rules and scum will feel more confident .
and all these rules are just WIFOM at best.
oh, and btw, i'm from belgrade, serbia.tonight.. you!-
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ok, so far, my impresion on Nekka-Lucifer is:
either he's a) inexperienced townie, or a b)good mafia.
a) is getting us nowhere, and b) will also be fruitless for now.
because of that, and because i think it's "a)" much more likely than "b)"
Unvote: Nekka-Lucifer
i'd like inactive players to take part in the game, or be prodded.tonight.. you!-
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just a hunch i got from reading page1. nothing i could back up right now.why did you suspect khelvaster in post 36
nope.why the sudden change of heart about Nekka (posts 45 vs 48 & 50)?
no "change of hearts".
i felt like he's protown right away, and that's why i said "
you are doing nothing usefull to the town" when i placed my vote, and not "you're scum"
that vote was just a way of making him stop, 'cause i felt we're milking the dead cow.
and we still got nothing people
(at least that's my opinion)tonight.. you!-
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no, it isn't the same.doing nothing useful to the town", which I read as "is acting scummy"
doing nothing useful for the town meant to sound like "i think you're pro-town and you're channeling discussion into a dead end", that's all. vote was my way of pressuring him. he reacted the way he did, and i felt there was no need too keep my vote on him any more.
i will not explain this any further.
oh, andFoS: Tarhalindurfor trying to revive completely useless and finished discussion. it is very clear to everyone what i wanted to do, and it's also clear what NLucifer wanted to do.
move on.tonight.. you!-
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i'd like to hear falcone's oppinion on Panzerjager, and AlSleet's about elias and vice versa.
what is exactly wrong with my posts?falcone wrote: His post sequence 45-48-50-56-62 just doesn't add up.
what point?so Nekka was right to pursue the point for a bit.
about that half-assed "trap" he set up for mafia, and me falling into that trap?tonight.. you!-
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gotta agree on those 2 /(in my mind there is 90% that at least one of them is scum), but only with falcone or Khelvaster instead of me (again, if i had to make a guess, i would say 60% that at least one of them is mafia)
My main suspects now are probably you, Panzerjager, Tahrlinduhr. I'll have more details about that once I reread the game so far.tonight.. you!-
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i don' feel like explaining that again. re-read the game.it seems you have partially neglected to explain (or you didn't see the post)
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about Khelvaster: i re-read the game and at this point, i do believe him.
i don't think scum would be so careless and make a contradiction to himself this early in the game. you need more content to find scum inconsistencies.
i also think we need more pro-town players in this discussion, cause i feel that all 3 scum (i guess mod didn't do something wild, so there are 3 of them) are actively participating, and we won't be able to do much in a situation like that.tonight.. you!-
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yes, i think mod should tell us if they answered the prod.
~N9V~ and rolandofthewhite.
mod?
and vote count would also be nice.
any new questions for me.. let's see...
the same reasons i explained before.Hand banana wanted me to elaborate about my reasons for suspecting him, I did, and he didn't comment on it.
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i never made such claim. i was talking about my suspects, and that is based on a hunch, not knowing.Also, he claims to have found at least one scum (post 90) or even three scum (post 99), but he didn't give any reasons.
but you fit into my definition of scum pretty well (playing just enough so you wouldn't be called lurker, being over causcious, exaggerating when describing your reasons for voting me, etc..)
earlier i said there was 60% chance that at least one of you or Khelvaster are scum.
now i think it's <10% that khel is scum and you are at the 90+ % mark.
thus,vote: falconetonight.. you!-
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what do you need me to explain?
what questions? i answered them.Hand banana, I want you to answer Nekka-Lucifer's questions.
i don't like explaining the obvious.I want you to give a good explanation of why you think that refusing to give an explanation "because I don't feel like" could possibly be considered acceptable
i said that to: "kinda decided to try something new.. "Finally, I want you to explain why you decided to be less aggressive in this game when you stated..tonight.. you!-
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nekka: "lost cause, and a failure"
i understand that my strategy may be incomprehensible to you (being confused, naive teenager and all), but "failure" is a little harsh..
ok, before all this turns into shit, let me explain myself thoroughly and step-by-step from the beginning up to this point, since i already achieved some of my goals, and i think it's time to come clean.
i never played with this role i got in live games, so first thing i did, i found a couple of games with this role in them, and i read them. one of these games was "Mini 443 - Tapioca Mafia". in it, the guy with my role did more damage to the town than mafia did.
first night he killed a civilian, and second night he managed to kill the doctor and he also got himself killed by mafia. so, i realized it's a very tough role to play, and it can be very dangerous for town of misplayed. so, my line of thinking is this: in order not to kill a power-role before the day ends i will say whom i'm going to kill. this, of course, needs me to come open and claim right in the first day. (im doing that right now -i claim vig). vig can be useful for town, but it can also be very harmful, so i don't think this claim will necessarily damage the town, and i think it won't.
after i decided to do this, i created this strategy: i will leave enough hints for experienced and good players that i'm power-role, but i will act very arrogantly and cocky, and i will put myself in the spotlight from the beginning. by doing this, i wanted to make two kinds of people vote for me: noob townies, and when their number gets around 2 or 3, a couple of scum will join them too, since i will practically be the only one we're discussing. i didn't achieve all of it, but i think it's time to claim before this gets out of hand.
if anyone has any questions for me, i will answer them now.
oh, except nekka's questions. (i'm sorry we play for the same team).
so.. before the day ends, i will say who i want to kill, and i will give that person a chance to claim. of course, if i pick mafia he will know he's got nothing to loose and he will prob. claim cop or a doc just to expose them. in this case, the real cop or doc or whatever SHOULD NOT counterclaim right after. he should wait for the next day. nad i will choose another possible scum to vig.tonight.. you!-
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no mass role claim..
other power roles are 100% useful for town. Vig can be, but it's not a great shame if he dies cause he can cause more harm to town then mafia. that's why i will be very causcious.
i'm not going to name more than 1 people per day. if we get a claim i will not kill that guy. and that one would have been the one i would kill without naming, if i haven't revealed myself in he first place. i think it's optimal strategy for my role at this time, but i'm opened for suggestions. as i said earlier it's much better to expose a doc that it is to kill him.
and i believe that there is a doc, it's more basic role than the vig. if mafia shoots at me and i get defended their chances of winning this would be zero.tonight.. you!-
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1. nothing. my plan does not work 100%. i hoped i will catch someone. and i did make some conclusions.
1. What made you think there wouldn't be any experienced and good players in the mafia to pick up on you hints that you were a power role?
2. As a townie, you should never deliberately act in a way that gets you votes.
3. As a townie, you shouldn't claim when you have only two votes. It makes it too easy for the mafia to gather information about the roles of the other players and thus determine their strategy.
4. Have you considered the possibility of just not using your ability tonight? In general, longer games (in game days) tend to benefit the town.
2. "never" doesn't really apply well to this game.
3. i planed on claiming from the beginning, and i did when i felt things are getting out of hand, and that nothing else useful can be done.
4. yes i have. i will name one guy. if i get a claim, i will not kill him nor anyone else.tonight.. you!-
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you are forgetting that lynch decisions all have scum factor involved in them. anything town declares is influenced by the scum. my decision is 100% pro town.
Everyone, don't claim just because hand banana is threatening to vig you. If hand banana does decide to kill someone without the support of a considerable number of people, I'll have no qualms whatsoever in lynching him the next day.tonight.. you!-
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well, anyone would claim in -1 from lynch. i really didn't have to claim..
and i explained all that.
FOS: Panzerjager
and about my strategy being " foolish and unnecessarily risky". i think unnecessarily risky is killing people without revealing that you are vig. would you rather had me killing secretly whoever i wanted than this? this way, at least i'm giving a chance to power-roles..tonight.. you!-
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i will see. if i'm not sure, i won't name anyone and i won't use night kill at all.Alright, so since you seem keen on naming people for a claim, who did you want to name?
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it would be safer for scum. and for for me. yes, i will probably get killed right after the doc, but at least i will try not the damage the town, but to help it ...instead of almost all other vigs here (games i read so far, vigs really sucked and killed much townies).I think it would have been safer and more effective that waytonight.. you!-
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what???Wow, I've obviously missed out on alot of content while I was away. I just want to raise suspicion back onto Hand Banana, personally I don't believe his claim. The suspicion I would like to raise is on Post 127. In the last bit, didn't he outloy his future plan to catch scum, or did I misread it?
future plan?
i explained my strategy about catching scum up to the point i claimed, nothing for the future.
the only future references were those about my nightkills.
so, now we have two scum (falcone and panzer) joining a very bad town player and supporting his ideas.. i'm very happy with my vote: falcone.. if situation remains the same and he doesn't com up with explanation for his scummy behavior i will use nightkill on panzer (of course, i will ask him to claim before that, and i would as soon as someone reaches -1 ).
but, on the other hand, i'd like this day to last at least as much as 8 more pages or so, cause maybe i'm wrong and i would like to hear other pro-town's players opinion on panzer and other players, before i rush things..tonight.. you!-
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it's not omgus. he was my prime suspect, and he knows it.
OMGUS, eh? I don't like that at all, especially from a so-called vigilante.
yeah, right.. i'd be an idiot to claim vig on L-5 on the first day if i were scum..
Handbanana could be lying and there is a another vig, you know
scum don't throw themselves in spotlight like that. and since i already said that i will be transparent about my N-kill, if i say for example: "i will kill XXX", and after the night we have YYYY and ZZZZ dead, that will prove that i'm scum.tonight.. you!-
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to quote alsleet:
"My main suspects now are probably you, Panzerjager, Tahrlinduhr. I'll have more details about that once I reread the game so far."
and to that, i said:
"gotta agree on those 2 /(in my mind there is 90% that at least one of them is scum),"
after that, panzer started to support nekka in his comments about me. so it's omgus from his side, not mine. and +, i'm almost sure he's scum, and also Tahrlinduhr seems much more pro-town now, but he could be faking it .tonight.. you!-
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it is true. vig and scum death scenes are different.
so you will know who was killed by mafia.
(i don't know what happens if both mafia and VIG shoot at the same person.. cause mafia will likely do this to set me up if i choose townie as my night kill, but mod should say something about 2 shots in the same person, so mafia will not be able to do that)
and SK death scene is different too, i guess, but mod will have to confirm about SK and VIG. that's the only way for me to really prove i'm vig or not.
stop being dumb, please.tonight.. you!-
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and you call yourself pro town?
wrong.(especially since it's likely to out most or all of our power roles
i will ask for claim only 1 person per day.
and if i hadn't claimed that one would be the one i killed.
so, i don't see how this damages the town.
outing a power role is much better than killing it, like other vigs did in games i read here.
and btw, i don't think i'm going to make many mistakes when i ask for claim.
so tell me, what is exactly wrong with my plan?
if you have a better one, go ahead and tell us..tonight.. you!-
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and this can lead to a very good situations for town..
say, you Tarhalindur, are a power role.. i pick my night kill, some other guy, and i ask that person to claim. he claims your role. you will then know that that person is scum. etc..
my plan for vig maximizes good sides of the role while minimizing possible damage (cause i will be very causcious and i will NOT kill a guy who claims, and that night i won't use nightkill at all.. if he's scum and claims role, the real role can expose him if he wishes, but that's his choice)
and as i said i will ask only person i suspect the most.tonight.. you!-
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am i crazy or these guys are??
first of all:
that Y guy would then be lynched, no need for nk from me. vig can NEVER be 100% sure or a guy who hasn't been lynched, unless he gets a another vig fake claim. so, if a vig is 100% sure (like in your example) town will also be 100% sure and lynch the guy.(for example: X claims cop, Y counterclaims, town lynches X who turns out to be the real cop, at night you kill Y)
so, all this you said is BS.
what??It seems like the possibility of not using your ability tonight, which is the correct play, hasn't even crossed your mind.
i said that i will prob. not kill anyone like 1000 times!
yes. i will lynch whoever town decides, but i will not count your vote, panzer's vote, Tarhalindur's vote (you're my scum sucpects), and nekka's vote (he's judgement is very poor)
By the way, don't you see how many people are disagreeing with your plan?tonight.. you!-
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haha.. damn this is scummy.
My question for everyone is, is it in the best interests of the town to lynch a claimed forced vig on Day 1, given that a forced vig is a town power role that is known to backfire horribly on the town?
my role doesn't say anything about "forced" killing, so i guess i don't have to kill if i don't want to.
and i will not decide for myself. i will count the votes from he people that are not my suspects or a liability.tonight.. you!-
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panzer is only trying to save himself, because he knows he is my main suspect. know, again, he directs all the attention to me contrary to the town's interests, not even trying to find scum at all.
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not at all. i said i will oblige town's wishes (with only my main suspects excluded), which i think is much more fair that playing vig secretly (and i had no reason to expose myself except for the benefit of town (to try and minimize killing pro town players))he is selfish and on a powertrip
that's ridiculous. why would i expose myself if i was SK?He is SK
there's no way for me to win if i'm sk now that everyone knows that i have nightkills. if we eradicate all mafia (3 or 4), i'll be the only suspect. as soon as doctor dies i will die to, so there is 99% chance that i will not be alive at the end of the game. SK's don't sacrifice themselves, bacuse they have no greater goal than their own life. i have a team, and i exposed myself despite the fact that i knew i'll be dead as soon as doctor dies, cause i play what's best for the town, and not what's best for me...
read the game, i explained it at least 3 times.What was the motive behind claiming vig so quick
no. i just said that at this time, you're the scummiest player here. IF nothing in my oppinion of you changes, i will ask you to claim. AND ONLY if majority of town players (excuding falcone, tar and nekka, agree to that.) and then again, i will not kill you if you claim ANY power-role (and since i believe that you are going to fake claim only to expose a real power role, 'cause you got nothing to loose, at least 1 person will know that you're scum.. it's up to him to decide weather he should expose you (and himself) or not).On top of this he wants to kill me
again,If he is a vig, he is a detriment and should be dealt with
very pro-town behavior.
i think my way of playing vig is the safest possible.tonight.. you!-
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yes, they're very useful.Nekka-Lucifer wrote:Just one thing FOR NOW, are Masons any useful to the town (seeming we have any)
-they can defend each other from being lynched
-they know of more town players, so they have fewer options (which is better) when hunting for scum.
-in case of mass role claim, we will have more pro-town roles
-they can claim if town wants them lyched, or if make a mistake and ask them to claim.tonight.. you!-
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well, i have to say that you have a point there, but things will change.. inactive players will become active or will be replaced.
i just say that it would be stupid that i vote for a guy to be lynched but to count his vote on who should i kill, don't you think so?
MOD! where are you?prod, replace, count votes..tonight.. you!-
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i guess this is vote count, but i might be wrong
i got lost in all these pages, so if i made a mistake, correct me.
it's unofficial, so it's not a big deal if i did.
Khelvaster- 4 (~N9V~, Panzerjager, Falcone, AlSleet)
Panzerjager- 2 (rolandofthewhite, Elias_the_thief)
Falcone- 1 (hand banana)
hand banana- 1 (Nekka-Lucifer)
Tarhalindur- 1 (Jenter Brolincani)
Not voting (3): Khelvaster, ac1983fan, Tarhalindur
7 to lynch.tonight.. you!-
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the case against khelv. looks strong.
but i have a big problem voting for him, because my main suspects are strongly advocating his lynch. he was one of my suspects, though (in that 60% group).
if khlelv turns out to be scum, i guess that would clear both tar and falcone.
if he turns out to be townie, that doesn't mean anything, except that he played a sloppy game.
i think most of his mistakes were just a result of not paying attention, and that's usually the case with vanilla townies, not scum.
i don't know what to think about him. i'm close to voting him, but i don't want to be in the same group as my suspects.
khel is now at L-2
his lynch may come quick, so i need your suggestion for my NK, while there's still time.
@falcone: to tell you the truth, i don't remember specific posts now, and i'm to lazy to re-read the game right now. but it's my general feeling about you. i will do post by post analysis, and i will point out why i think you're scum if khelv doesn't get lynched or on day2 if he does.. it's pointless to do it right now.tonight.. you!-
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ok.. falcone
his second post in the game comes at #55:
i didn't like this part about nekka. i just explained why i removed my vote. it seemed to me as subtle scum strategy to make 2 townies fight each other. but it's all very vague.Hand banana, why did you suspect khelvaster in post 36? Also, why the sudden change of heart about Nekka (posts 45 vs 48 & 50)?
these are simply lies..Also, he claims to have found at least one scum (post 90) or even three scum (post 99), but he didn't give any reasons.
id didn't like his style here at all. i think he just picked up on nekka's mistake and he's trying to exaggerate arguments against me. and then he starts making them up.
then, after 5 pages, and only few of his posts..
that content being:- The point about playing just enough not to be called a lurker is stupid. You can't determine whether someone is a lurker just by looking at their post count. You also have to take into account the amount of actual content in their posts. I'll usually make one or two posts each day, and try to comment on as many issues as possible in those posts.
-asked a couple of questions.
-made up something about me.
-said panzer is not suspicious at all.
that's all.
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and then this:
when i asked about "what free nightkill" and pointed out that scum alreadyRemember, being town doesn't mean you're going to decide correctly. Also, we can't actually be sure you're protown. Giving a possible scum a free nightkill of his choice would be terribly stupid.
has a nightkill, he answered:
"That's why giving them an extra free nightkill would be disastrous."
i really didn't understand this, and it puzzled me for a very long time.
if i was scum, i wouldn't get an "extra free kill" by just a mere belief from town that i'm vig. and this came after i claimed. so he's making stuff up again, and subtly implying that i should be lynched.
then again, he sais he will be back with content on other players, but he disappears for couple of pages only to return with more false accussations for me:
it did. i said that at least couple of times.It seems like the possibility of not using your ability tonight, which is the correct play, hasn't even crossed your mind.
then this:
yeah right.. the right way to play vig is not to claim, and to pick random players and kill them as he wishes. and all this with "Y" player. how the hell would he survive the day, and not get lynched if he claimed cop, and we have a dead cop??The right way to play your role is not to claim unless absolutely necessary (as with most power roles) and not to kill unless you're extremely sure of someone being scum (for example: X claims cop, Y counterclaims, town lynches X who turns out to be the real cop, at night you kill Y).
only 3. and 2 of them were my main suspects.By the way, don't you see how many people are disagreeing with your plan?
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later he voted khelv and that's our current discussion.
so here are my conclusions:
he was very causcious with other players from the beginning. he made a couple of mistakes and contradictions only when he came after me. he never attacked anyone, but me, and jumped on khlev's bandwagon with reasons (in post 247) that don't seem believable to me at least.
-if khelv turns out to be scum, i think we should clear tar. falcone might be still scum, but he thinks khel is lost cause, and he just gives a couple of mild accusations. so, what i concluded right now is that khel's guit has nothing to do with falcone's.. if falcone is scum, that doesn't mean khel is innocent. and i would not like to see khel lyched before i see two of the in a discussion (khel and falcone).
right now i reconsidered everything i've read so far and:
falcone is scum 80%
khel is scum 55%tonight.. you!-
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i don't like this at all.
i wanted to defend khelv by saying that i think he's pro-town becauswe of the way he played before i claimed. i kinda got the impression that he sensed that i'm power role, and when votes started piling up on me, he backed up. there is no reason for scum to do that. i was unclaimed, suspicious, he wasn't even jumping on the bandwagon, cause he was one the first to suspect me..
but now, i don't like this claim at all. it was unnecessary, and unlike vig death, he death of doc or acop can seriously damage the town.
either way, i don't think we should pressure him to reveal his role.tonight.. you!-
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i'm not exactly overjoyed, and i'll leave questions for later, but for now, since only i'm the only one voting for you, it seems like a waste of vote.Falcone wrote:
Are you satisfied with these explanations or do you have more questions?Unvote: Falcone
just one more thing about my plan:
i don't like the idea of me killing "confirmed scum" for one simple reason - very possible existence of mafia role-blocker. if we find one "confirmed scum", and we decide that i should kill him, and town lynches some other guy and he turns out civilian, i get blocked, and we will have: my N.kill wasted, lynch wasted and again that one scum alive so we have to lynch him the other day again.
so: town should deal with "confirmed scum", not me. and i still think my plan rules!
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exactly. other people (you for example) are way more scummier then he is.panzer wrote:doesn't want to vote for someone he believes is scummy because other people that he feels are scummy are voting for him
if he's pro town, i really don't like his style of play (last couple of pages).
and his behavior about my "bandwagon" (it wasn't really bandwagon, but still), really gave me strong pro-town vibe from him, so i'm very reluctant to vote him right now.. those 2 reasons are equally important for my decision not to vote him..
and you are also getting scummier panzer.
you seem very happy with this confusion, and you also seem VERY assured that khelv is scum.tonight.. you!-
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again, since mod doesn't seem to care:
Vote Count:
Khelvaster- 4 (Falcone, Panzerjager, AlSleet, Tarhalindur)
Panzerjager- 2 (Elias_the_thief, rolandofthewhite)
Nekka-Lucifer- 1 (~N9V~)
Tarhalindur- 1 (Jenter Brolincani)
Not voting (4): Khelvaster, hand banana, Nekka-Lucifer, ac1983fan
7 to lynch.
correct me if i'm wrong.tonight.. you!-
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damn...
all my suspects are looking very pro town lately, and people i trusted behave very scummy..
i will decide between khelv and panzer, i just need a little more content from you guys and one thorough re-read.
either way, i don't want a full claim from khelv yet.
can anyeone confirm anything (any breadcrumb) in those 2 posts he made?tonight.. you!-
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i guess my avatar is not really smart looking.
what do you mean with "safe claim"? something like "hand banana, you're mafia, but you can safely claim following power- roles: ....." mods really do this here?It’s hard to trust this guy. He says that it’s his style to jump on bandwagons. And then he claims really early. We are, of course, assuming that the mod didn’t give him vigilante as a safe claim. A little fishy to me.
so.. i changed my mind about people i find scummy a lot, so i would like you guys not to rush lynch yet, because if it was up to me, i would lynch panzer a couple of pages ago, and i would *maybe* make a terrible mistake.
downside for this is: the longer this day lasts, we risk more power-roles exposed. and i guess we only have doc left. and he is the most important.
if a real doc sees fake doc claim, he should NOT counterclaim. this is very important. only if he's just about to be lynched.tonight.. you!-
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i guess you're right.I am, however, quite inclined not to make ANY of the claims today's lynch.
when each one of them gives us the details of investigation, we will have more info, and we can make more informed decission. and i think it's better to let possible mafia escape for just one day, then to lynch a possible cop.tonight.. you!-
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khelv has a point there... but...
one thing just crossed my mind:
say panzer is scum.
i guess, after khel claimed, he felt that most likely he is the one who's getting lynched.
so he needs to claim, either to save himself or to expose a power role.
i guess that there is no point in claiming cop.
if i was him (in case he is mafia), i would claim doc. it's win-win situation. either he survives or exposes doc sacrificing himself. it doesn't make sense to claim cop, if he's not cop.
but, i guess this is wifom..
and maybe he just felt he has chance of eliminating the real cop (if khelv is real cop)
i really don't know, and i will probably not vote for either one of them today. better safe than sorry. i need investigations details from both of them.tonight.. you!-
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