NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER

[Josh_B]

Stop fucking skimming.

stop fucking skimming

This is actually amusing, and not in a ha ha sort of way either. GM you're in the neighborhood, what are your reads on Iz and Shiro.

[TierShift]

VOTE: nero

Good wagon.

[reinoe]

@Josh B
Please clarify what pointing fingers means, and whether or not it is under the assumption ... if GM flips town/scum (or is independent of that).

pointing fingers=FOS. I am scum hunting off the Invisible GM wagon. I just came out of a GM scum game, and even though I got hosed by town reading her in that game, I can already see huge differences in her playstyle from that one to this and I'm giving it a solid town read.
I'm including the fact that the wagon itself is made up largely of indirect claims and very little direct votes, which is also indicative of town slot.

Phone posting...
Josh is already leaning town and making that shitty and obvious wagon on garmr look even worse.
Could someone be a dear and cross-reference the players who voted Josh with the players who are scumreading GM?

I can do it when I get home in like 8 hours but I could really use the assist.

[reinoe]

@thor...
I played with you when you were scum more recently in mini 1584. You were scum in that game. You'll forgive me for having a better memory of that game since it was more recent. Also I ended my participation in that game with dramatic flair.

[T S O]

that sounds like you were modkilled which really would not surprise me

[Thor665]

@Thor: In a 21 player game, you claim to have lacked a strong secondary scumread. 21 players. Only 1 scumread.

Well, you're already twisting words int hat example so I will re-state; Only 1 strong scumread - yes.
Would you like to repeat it back to me a third time and try to act shocked yet again?

@thor...
I played with you when you were scum more recently in mini 1584. You were scum in that game. You'll forgive me for having a better memory of that game since it was more recent. Also I ended my participation in that game with dramatic flair.

So?
I fail to see what that has to do with your stated issue with me and my question about your familiarity with my town play which, as already shown, mirrors the action you're championing as your reason for scumreading me.

[goodmorning]

GM you're in the neighborhood, what are your reads on Iz and Shiro.

Well, I'm in

a

neighbourhood. Anyway, Izariael reads pretty townish to me at this point, and Shiro looks more like newbTown than newbScum.

VOTE: nero

Good wagon.

answer question pls

@Thor: In a 21 player game, you claim to have lacked a strong secondary scumread. 21 players. Only 1 scumread.

Well, you're already twisting words int hat example so I will re-state; Only 1 strong scumread - yes.
Would you like to repeat it back to me a third time and try to act shocked yet again?

Given that I was your second strongest scumread and you never called me Scum, one scumread is the most accurate truth.

[Flubbernugget]

I don't understand the issue with having a gut read on tone.

[Scripten]

Given that I was your second strongest scumread and you never called me Scum, one scumread is the most accurate truth.

This is pedantic. It does not help your case on Thor.

Josh_B:

Where do you stand on Garmr's reads/play? You're a more coherent player and that, in and of itself, makes my read on your slot wiggle a bit, but I want to know what you think about your slot's play so far.

[Flubbernugget]

And why are all these new wagons popping up right before deadline? Because Thor fakeclaimed/halfclaimed?

Lovely.

[goodmorning]

Given that I was your second strongest scumread and you never called me Scum, one scumread is the most accurate truth.

This is pedantic. It does not help your case on Thor.

He had

one fucking scumread

after

so many pages

.

Give me a fucking break. He said I was his next highest scumread. He expressed his opinion of my alignment as "Town OR Scum". This isn't just words I'm talking about here.

[AxleGreaser]

@Josh B
Please clarify what pointing fingers means, and whether or not it is under the assumption ... if GM flips town/scum (or is independent of that).

pointing fingers=FOS. I am scum hunting off the Invisible GM wagon. I just came out of a GM scum game, and even though I got hosed by town reading her in that game, I can already see huge differences in her playstyle from that one to this and I'm giving it a solid town read.
I'm including the fact that the wagon itself is made up largely of indirect claims and very little direct votes, which is also indicative of town slot.

Ah Ok, well in that case here let me help, by volunteering information.

Spoiler: info for Josh

yeah I scum read the slot. But my vote being elsewhere is because I believe them more likely to flip scum.
2242 was a vote with a question
The reason was "The above + Tone(927) + ..."
which means the question is reason 1 (and like ingredients on packets a majorest one)
Tone is reference to the emptiness of the GM scum read on Thor. (It had a bad tone to me )
and unspecified things
AKA answer the damn question
2454 Truthfully rated anon answering GM as a better lynch than PereV (who has flipped town))

I have done things such as wonder about other peoples opinions of GM 2754 and how they got them. (but that is primarily alignment indicative of the other people...)

Started this push here 3381 which centers around "explain why on D2 it has details and on D1, you didnt have any "
after a while GM posted this over exaggerated bullshit 3409

In this post I demonstrated a distinct lack of substantive reads (pretty clear on) on exactly the people GM had claimed to have them
then i got distracted by your slot 3421 fora while
went back to demonstrating GM is saying one thing about providing reasons then doing another.

That puts lie to this claim

Besides which I made clear that if anyone had any questions about anyone then all they had to do was ask and they should receive.

Dave asked what he received was your

annoyance

and no real answer.

It goes on for a bit, but I dont think i got much further than making it abundantly clear GM is not posting reasons for reads and is unwilling to do so. (as per dave's interaction)

Sort of had a vague thought - wonder how many read Axle posts still?

GM has explicitly adopted a stance of treating my posts with ignore

This is why I'm not talking to Axle anymore.

Presumably he knows my alignment or has no more need to find out, and does not care enough to let me work out his by being cooperative.

Also the indirect claims, from me are due to having better people to flip first. GMs reliance on "Oh I re read and changed my mind", and vague reads based on "a dash tone and a bit of meta there" are easily confusable with bad/IDGAF approach to the game. So GM for me is not in a lynch this first category. However GM still needs discussing as major(maybe only consistent) force behind a bad wagon.

[AxleGreaser]

I don't understand the issue with having a gut read on tone.

not sure what specific issue you are talking about...
Thor recently said Gm had gut read instead of a tone one.
GM retorted he hadnt had a gut read ... 4506

Also oopsie (in recent post I mentioned stuff that actually was read on TSO.
Not however substantively different to

On Thor is mostly a tone-based read as I think I've made clear. I don't expect anyone to believe/follow me and I'm fine with that (to all others who asked).

and my problem with that tone based read... is that seemed like rpetty thin read to park GM to park himself D1 while letting the PereV wagon on a towny run to completion.
For person with a scum rad on the primary driver, it didn't feel like towny way to play.

However, on D1 perhaps it possible there is not single posts Gm can point to and say specific things.
D2 cures that difficulty as on D2 once the PereV lynch has gone through, now GM has specific things to say about D1 and mentions specific posts.
It feels all rather too convenient.

But to me not as scummy, hence likely to flip scum, as the people I have been voting today.

[reinoe]

that sounds like you were modkilled which really would not surprise me

Rage quit with style, grace, and class.

[Boonskiies]

is anyone actually townreading nero after that jump on axle

like fucking really

Freaking seriously...there's no possible way Nero's town.

[Josh_B]

nt player and that, in and of itself, makes my read on your slot wiggle a bit, but I want to know what you think about your slot's play so far.

Was he smart aleky, self assured, and over dramatic? I don't have a ton of experience with him but that's how he acts from what I've seen.

[Thor665]

Given that I was your second strongest scumread and you never called me Scum, one scumread is the most accurate truth.

Okay - now feel free to advance this from incredulity to a scum case point - I have total faith that you can. [/sarcasm]

[Thor665]

I don't understand the issue with having a gut read on tone.

My issue i that it's hard to read.
GM's issue is that it's wacky that I don't have a clearer read on her. She is also peeved that I called her tone read a gut read instead of a tone read.
You're not even talking about what either of us are talking about, so...?

And why are all these new wagons popping up right before deadline? Because Thor fakeclaimed/halfclaimed?

Lovely.

Maybe you should explain the scum case on me again and direct it at some of the people who aren't buying it.
Or you can stand to the side wringing your hands.
Or you could vote Dave or Nero - do you town read both of them?

[Nero Cain]

VOTE: nero

Good wagon.

Whats so good about it?

Freaking seriously...there's no possible way Nero's town.

Why should I think a guy is town if he's lying about my actions to push me?

[reinoe]

Given that I was your second strongest scumread and you never called me Scum, one scumread is the most accurate truth.

This is pedantic. It does not help your case on Thor.

Josh_B:

Where do you stand on Garmr's reads/play? You're a more coherent player and that, in and of itself, makes my read on your slot wiggle a bit, but I want to know what you think about your slot's play so far.

Why are you asking one player to judge the actions of the previous slot holder? What sort of information can be gleaned from this?

[Josh_B]

But to me not as scummy, hence likely to flip scum, as the people I have been voting today.

Then I have to ask you, how do you feel about all of the support the wagon has even though it looks like this..

Votecount 2.12

[1]

goodmorning:

Thor665

you should be voting Dave with me. These...

<Dave thinks some in the shower>
CLICK!


VOTE: goodmorning

Reason: Gamestate ephiphany

Thor, how certain are you that GM is the right player to wagon at this time? Just a sniff, rock solid, somewhere in between?

Mafia roles are also power roles. I guess our PR isn't town.

VOTE: Thor

make it an excellent vote. and if I'm right, it's going to clear both GM and Thor.

[Josh_B]

GM, reinoe, you two should come on board too.

[davesaz]

And when i flip town it will tell you nothing.

[AxleGreaser]

And when i flip town it will tell you nothing.

I dont know what it will tell us when you flip scum. But it wont be tied to an overly simplistic VCA.

[Flubbernugget]

@Teir do you have a town case for Thor?