NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER

[Flubbernugget]

Why is beast a better lynch than your other scum reads?

[TierShift]

why is bear

You are sliiiiipppiiiiing

My scumreads stink. I'm not even remotely certain in any of them. However, I feel like I can improve my town list by watching reactions to wagons, but silent players don't help in that.

Also revenge
Revenge

And I need to do nero iso reminding myself.

[Slandaar]

Current VC:

[3]

davesaz

: Thor665, Josh_B, Axle
[2]Boonskiies: Slandaar, The Fonz
[1]Josh_B: Scripten
[0]GM : No-one is currently voting for some reason.

Only 6 people are voting. Ridiculous.

[Thor665]

Yes. This. Do you remember our earlier conversation? We came to (what I think) was an agreement that his lurking was scummy and yet others were willing to let it slide. However, I said that I was hesitant to support a lynch on him. The reason why is exactly as you said: I felt you were trying to get him going as a counter to yourself. (Which I did not state) Scum and Town-Thor would both have reason to push for the beast lynch, though scum-Thor moreso. The other reason being that I felt his lynch would be far less informative of the overall game state than that of a more active player (which I did state)

@Thor so do actually think the dave wagon is a goer?

Hard to say - my wagon is still at L-3 right at this second, and only a tiny fragment of it (reinoe and GM) have actually clarified that they are still okay with their current vote.
Meanwhile most of the rest of the town is likewise doing feth all at this stage.
You can't read that very well - or at least I cannot.

Thor, who was your second biggest scumread on d1?

Probably Goodmorning.

I thought someone already hammered.

I will be caught up by day tomorrow for sure and then I can be useful. I promise.

[Thor665]

For the record, because no one else was apparently willing to read (skim) it and offer a thought.

I found the Axle/Nero thing obnoxious.

That said, though I find Nero's logic derpy (still) I do have to agree with him that Axle was parsing it weirdly when he was making claims about what Nero did or didn't say vis-a-vi suspecting me and the PL derp talk.
That is not a defense of Nero's bad reads towards my slot - but he does have the more valid push in that matter, and in my opinion is basically winning the argument.
Axle was correct though in that Nero chose some creative copy paste to try to prove the point...but ignores that in some of them Nero didn't do that.

I mostly read it as "annoying"

Meh.

[Shiro]

Is anyone else ok with lynching beast if he doesn't come tommorow with at least a read lsit ?

[Josh_B]

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it just popped into my head.

I dont get it nobody thinks beast is a bad lynch. Most see him at worst as average So why not ? Nobody agrees af anything othrr than beast isnt such a bsd choice. So why not ?

@Thor

If beast wagon does go anywhere I am voting Dave.

Why beast first ? Cause that how I feel. Both lean scum for me

@Slandar-sempai would u consider beast ?

P.Edit

I see kk slander if none. I am giving beast wagon a day before leaving it though.

I don't get it. How will more beast votes justify you voting for Dave?

Also this...

If you think the Gm push is scum motivated then your vote should be on Thor.

Reinoe, you didn't mention that Axel has been pushing the GM wagon all game. That's pretty important information to know.

[Shiro]

I don't get it. How will more beast votes justify you voting for Dave?

I obviously missclicked. I meant if Beast wagon doesn't go anywhere

[reinoe]

Also this...

If you think the Gm push is scum motivated then your vote should be on Thor.

Reinoe, you didn't mention that Axel has been pushing the GM wagon all game. That's pretty important information to know.

How am I supposed to know that information is relevant to you? How am I supposed to know you didn't know that? What does Axxle pushing GM all day every day (but not putting his vote there) have to do with you thinking the GM push is scum motivated? If you think the GM push is scum motivated and Axle is pushing it then what are your thoughts on Axle?

[reinoe]

Also this...

If you think the Gm push is scum motivated then your vote should be on Thor.

Reinoe, you didn't mention that Axel has been pushing the GM wagon all game. That's pretty important information to know.

How am I supposed to know that information is relevant to you? How am I supposed to know you didn't know that? What does Axxle pushing GM all day every day (but not putting his vote there) have to do with you thinking the GM push is scum motivated? If you think the GM push is scum motivated and Axle is pushing it then what are your thoughts on Axle?

EBWOP: Also thor was also pushing GM at the time. Again, if you think the GM push is scum motivated am I wrong in thinking that you should be putting your vote on thor? After all...

thor was pushing GM+JOSH thinks the GM Push is scum motivate=josh' vote should be on thor who doing things scum motivated.

Is the above equation wrong? Are you saying you think thor is town but axle is not? Please elaborate.

[reinoe]

Compare that to all the discrediting coming from thor earlier this DP. That Smurf was not town.

You kind of keep latching on to this.
We have played gams where I was town.
Are you honestly claiming I don't "discredit" like that when town? I don't think there's even remote support for that stance.

TBH, I don't think I've ever played with you as town. I'll have to check later.

[Slandaar]

Hi Reinoe. Are you having a good day today? I hope you are. I am having a magnificent day myself. I think you should sheep me.

[davesaz]

I get the feeling that Axle uses a triple standard for contradictions.
A really hair trigger one for people he's attacking, a who cares one for people he finds townish, and a gosh I never did that for ones he's accused of.

Dave are you voting one of the candidates for lynch today? or are you rebelling against the system because you are a cool kid?

I'm voting Thor.

[Slandaar]

[Slandaar]

I'm voting Thor.

Who?

I cannot see his name on the list of lynch candidates. Please move immediately.

[davesaz]

Not planning to do that.

[Slandaar]

You don't need to plan; just do. Your Thor wagon is bad.

[davesaz]

I believe that Thor's claim is fake, and he's scum.

[Thor665]

Compare that to all the discrediting coming from thor earlier this DP. That Smurf was not town.

You kind of keep latching on to this.
We have played gams where I was town.
Are you honestly claiming I don't "discredit" like that when town? I don't think there's even remote support for that stance.

TBH, I don't think I've ever played with you as town. I'll have to check later.

I look forward to this.

Here is some help, these are quotes by town me in a game you were in with me.

Greetings.

So, one or more of the people voting me (that would be Not_Mafia and Majiffy) should really present a brilliant case for why mneumonic was scum that *doesn't* have to do with lurking. Otherwise I'm going to call both the wagon and you derptastic failsacks.

What's the rest of the gamestate besides a pretty lolfail lurker wagon that's about to fall apart?

Here's one where I was talking to you.

I claim on hammer intent - not on scummy opportunist demand.

You haven't addressed your slip as requested. Could you do so now? I mean, I know it's freaking you out and you're trying to bully and advance my lynch in desperation now, but, honestly, if you'd like to claim wolf, it would be helpful in allowing me to puzzle out mafia easier.

Tell me again about how I don't attack the quality of cases or actions unless I'm scum.
I look forward to this deep meta knowledge of me you have while admitting that you can't even remember if you've played with me as town.

[Slandaar]

Well I mean we could debate the merits of the claim; surely if he were scum he would claim full JK instead of 1-shot as 1-shot which has used it's shot is useless and really is no better than claiming VT.

Not a good survival tactic hm?

[Thor665]

You are so bad at this right now. If you are town you really need to tone down the pride and pay attention to stuff. If you are scum...well, you should probably fake doing so.

Oh Thor, why do you do all this anti-town attacking of people - clearly it is your scum play. I, Reinoe, know this!

[Shiro]

Well I mean we could debate the merits of the claim; surely if he were scum he would claim full JK instead of 1-shot as 1-shot which has used it's shot is useless and really is no better than claiming VT.

Not a good survival tactic hm?

Yea but we could debate he did so on purpuse so you will think it is not a good survival tactic making you think he is legit while infact he isnt.

More wine?

[Thor665]

I believe that Thor's claim is fake, and he's scum.

I would point out in my meta that I've never fakeclaimed a role except to claim VT.
So, the claim is real - the actual debate is whether I am a scum JKer or a town one.

What's your case on me again?
I know it's none of the earlier stuff because you already admitted to basically making up the value of half of that. So what is the current case? I honestly have no idea.

[Thor665]

I take back the above, I've also fakeclaimed SK in the past - I do that also.

[Thor665]

I actually won a game fakeclaiming SK - thought that one would nail me the Scummy that year...no luck.