Mini 1624: Joss Whedon Mafia: The Musical (Game Over)

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hi guys

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hi guys

I'm glad we rolled town. I was worried that this was finally going to be the game where I get to see ffery's scum game. I really wanted to be able to talk to her about this as townies, so whew!

p-edit: I'd enjoy that vote too. I can't decide if I want to RVS Medea, Boonskies, or BBMolla though.

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Orc, the above applies to you too.

What account is Orc in this game?

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So I am fucking STOKED for this game.

It may be in the middle of my move cross-state but I got the alignment I wanted, I'm in a fucking awesome place mentally after titus meet, and I'm ready for the challenge of sorting the other 2/3rds of team Selkies the Cat, Meta be damned. If people are gonna have drama and shit, please save it for another game, I want to enjoy the fuck out of this one.

VOTE: Murder of Crows

This day does not end by my choice until you've expressed a town read on me, because either you're town and you need to be town reading me anyways, or you're scum and I'm shutting you the fuck out of what you and wisdom did in that newbie game now.

Orc, the above applies to you too.

I've been pretty good at spotting town-you lately, I think. Be town, then. If it's there, I'll see it.

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ap or ffery?

first and 3rd posts are ffery.

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Ok, so LMP looks a bit scummy. The only thing giving me pause is his assertion that AH is flailing (which he isn't, but thats irrelevant to the thought).

If LMP flips scum, I might be a bit suspicious of AH.

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The voices in my head are whispering sweet nothings in my ear about AA9 being scum though.

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ALSO! I am going to go listen through the Dr/ Horrible soundtrack right now

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I didn't say flailing, I said squirming. Explain what you mean by that "giving you pause".

What is the difference between flailing and squirming?

I'm saying that your opinion about AH's reaction looks rather off base and seems like the thing someone who is rather biased might say. I tend to think a townie is more likely to think someone is flailing in response to their pressure on them.

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Woohoo! Only a couple hours late!

Vote: Boonskiies

I liked you better as a llama. Clearly scum.

Why does this post contain an RVS vote when we're practically out of RVS? And if we weren't before, we are now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: bassists

That was a shortlived stance.

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I still don't understand what you were trying to say in regards to my stance, so let's try it this way: What is your opinion of AH's reaction to my vote?

I think his reaction is entirely uninteresting in every way.

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VOTE: HypotheticalBassists

~AP

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The amount of tryhard going on so far makes me itch.

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AA9

, sorry for the ambigious wording. "I'm happy with LMP at the moment", means I'm happy with his behaviour. I think he's town.

Oh damit.
Okay but why is he asking others to vote him. I dont see a town motivation in it.

But there's scummy motivation either. Hence it's null.

If someone is not playing for Town, they are threat. Therefore, they are Lynch Candidate. Period.

hmm.

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The amount of tryhard going on so far makes me itch.

This must be AP

lolnope.

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Can all hydrae please sign their names, please at the bottom of each post? Thanks!

AP might agree to do that. I won't. If the post is a significant stance and it's not obvious from context who made it, I'll find a way to affix something resembling an imprimatur.

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I'll sign my posts when I think its necessary and I remember. I don't expect that will be most of the time.

I actually kind of find 100 to be rather relatable. (Huh apparently the site spell checker doesn't recognize that as a word.)

There is at least one thing there I would expect scum to phrase differently just to preemptively (and possibly subconsciously) defend against random accusations that could be made from that post. Specifically the strategy bit I think is something scum might reword.

I'm in super-abstract mode right now, so if this post doesn't make sense I can try and explain better . I'm not 100% sober.

Speaking of strategy, that is something I haven't yet talked about for this hydra, but I am hoping to be a little more backseat and analytical this game and try talking out observations with ffery. I'm generally an internal-thinker, so it'll be good practice for me.

Speaking of try-harding, look at me go!

Gut scumread on istott after latest posts. UNVOTE:

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I have nits to pick with you, Cabd. T'were best done quickly.

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medea and murder are weird. lmp, egg, istott, bassist, arc look early town.

i really wanna say murder are scum.

Go right ahead.

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medea and murder are weird. lmp, egg, istott, bassist, arc look early town.

i really wanna say murder are scum.

Go right ahead.

murder are scum

regarding medea, "i got the alignment i wanted" is weird phrasing, as is the thing with orc. and 41 is wrong because if we weren't out of rvs before that post, their vote doesn't make sense.

It is a strange post, but probably not for the reasons you have in mind. I think the whole post was designed to freak town-me out. It's quite possible that town-Cabd decided to jumpstart developing a read on me (and Orc), but it's also quite possible that scum-Cabd would open the game this way thinking I'd eventually townread him for the audacity of it.

He's deliberately gone against his town meta at the start of this game.

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Cabd-head of Medea.

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You picked a very stale game to reference speaking of arms racing.

If you want a rock solid town read, then earn it.

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I dint know It was fishy to defend oneself

It is in the context. You took a statement that people felt you were scummy and tried to break down logically why you can't be instead of trying to figure out why people thought you were scummy or get a read on them.

Actually I was having a difficult time expressing my feeling. Serra called us scummy for being cautious. I sort of feel that way about you.

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Can we get more pressure votes on GreyICE? He's willfully not cooperating.

Asking for pressure votes is inherently useless because when you add the "pressure" qualifier there's an understanding you don't actually intend to lynch the person. Why not just call for votes?

So is this just bad play or scummy?
The murder vote is a good one.

I disagree. This is the first vote on us that feels like it could be a vote by scum.

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The amount of tryhard going on so far makes me itch.

lolyeah
and you're the main source of it

Heh. AP has made me itch once or twice, too.

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I like serra and LMP. Don't like crows.

Hmm.

I used to call things like this a town slip.

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Null.

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Not sure whether that was a townslip or not, but anatole reads town either way.

How so?

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i like the point about pressure votes being useless if called as such. it's the sort of thing that annoys me as town.

It's a truism. I used to mention it at every turn when people would talk about pressure voting.. Over time it's become something I"m probably more likely to point out when I'm scum because it's easy townpoints.

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i like the point about pressure votes being useless if called as such. it's the sort of thing that annoys me as town.

It's a truism. I used to mention it at every turn when people would talk about pressure voting.. Over time it's become something I"m probably more likely to point out when I'm scum because it's easy townpoints.

And when you're town you just ignore it and let townies pursue shitty theories?

Nope, I assume someone else will mention it, and I think about what it says about the player who eventually does so. If I'm playing with a fair number of inexperienced players, I'm more likely to mention it myself.

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Ffer right?

Yes.

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Also, if people still keep declaring their pressure votes, the statement obviously isn't a truism in a meaningful sense.

People keep declaring, and the fallacy is pointed out. Truism enough for me.

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This discussion feels pretty damn stupid.

And it's not going to change the squinty eyes I'm feeling about Anatole. The only thing that will change that is more strongly town-suggesting posts hitting the thread.

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i like the point about pressure votes being useless if called as such. it's the sort of thing that annoys me as town.

It's a truism. I used to mention it at every turn when people would talk about pressure voting.. Over time it's become something I"m probably more likely to point out when I'm scum because it's easy townpoints.

Which is why you wouldn't get a town read for it.

But you give Anatole townpoints for it because you think he's less experienced?

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btw your status is awesome for me. All the paranoia braincells that could be spent processing you can be redeployed.

If Cabd gets in here and convinces me he's town, orcinus is in for pure hell this game.

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I don't even see how me telling someone their plan is dumb is a townslip. It's just common fucking sense. Why would that be something that needed to be faked anyways?

That wasn't the potential townslip.

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So giving reads is a "townslip?" I don't understand you people at all

Look at post 6.

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Anatole is town
Riddleton is town

I'll give it a little before I say more.

I agree on riddleton. I kinda like Anatole's last 2-3 posts.

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I know, right? Too bad you drew scum

I can't decide if I'm happy or sad that you're misreading me.

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Cabd, if you and peng are scum this game, we're making an awesome amount of distraction for you.

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AP hydra is scummier

That would make them paragons of town then.

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This page is fucking useless too.

Can people stop spamming? I'll draw a helpful diagram of the issue:

I'll post as much as I think I should. If you don't like that you know what you can do with your vote.

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Murder, I am not in the business of lynching people for being piece of shit players, I'm in the business of lynching people for being scum. Which is Waffle, Garmr, and maybe Prohawk (Garmr is buddying Prohawk so hard though...)

Maybe you should post that in whatever game it applies to instead of spamming this one.

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Can we lynch Grey? I think I might enjoy this game more if we lynch Grey.

Do you think he's scum? I don't really care about his insults. I won't vote him unless AP and I wind up scumreading him. The only thing I don't like about his play so far is the lack of reasoning for his stances, but I think he may be a student of the "cases are scummy" school of mafia.

2nd game with him. ymmv.

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@ah: If you don't see it, I probably won't be able to convince you.

And sonuvabitch quotes...

Ohai beetlejuice.

Is there something about that post you wanted to ask me?

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@ffery: not really. Thoughts on AA9?

I'm cautious about trying to read her. I used to have a decent handle on her town game.

Overreacting to a vote is pretty typical of her town game, but, there's little point in antagonizing you if she's town.

my keyboard is spazzing a little. I can expand on this later if needed.

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She overreacted?

To the IC voting her? I kinda thought so. I'd use a buzzword but greyice would probably yell at me.

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why are you calling it a rage vote?

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And why are you reaching out to Greyice while discrediting confirmed town?

I don't have a problem with reacting out to grey, but the way you're doing it looks sorta like you're trying to marginalize serra.

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AP here. I still need to catch up and sync but I read ffery s posts. I don't think Anatole town slipped but his interactions with ffery over it seem townish.

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I don't get how you're seeing rage in that vote, AA. I just don't. So, your whole interaction there feels off to me, like you're either trying to discredit/misrep him, or you have no clue whatsoever how he plays.

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Anatole is town
Riddleton is town

I'll give it a little before I say more.

I really really like this post. Pretty much my exact thoughts around that page.

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the point is, Serra rather have chose to ask me "why i was picking on lurkers" instead of calling me "pretty bad". she failed to state her reasons down before accusing someone. I dont understand why you're not seeing that fferyl.

And you know he's not coming from a scum mindset.

But, I missed your first post calling him useless, and I thought your comment about him being useless was in reaction to his vote.

And it also occurs to me that I made a conclusion rather than trying to explore why when he voted me. I just didn't conclude it was because he's dumb. Because he's not a stupid player. Being confirmed town changes how people interact.

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the point is, Serra rather have chose to ask me "why i was picking on lurkers" instead of calling me "pretty bad". she failed to state her reasons down before accusing someone. I dont understand why you're not seeing that fferyl.

And you know he's not coming from a scum mindset.

But, I missed your first post calling him useless, and I thought your comment about him being useless was in reaction to his vote.

And it also occurs to me that I made a conclusion rather than trying to explore why when he voted me. I just didn't conclude it was because he's dumb. Because he's not a stupid player. Being confirmed town changes how people interact.

Interaction. So being confirmed town gives him authority to have no logic in his votes? He later said that "I was picking on lurkers" I have pretty good reason why i voted Boon. Boon is been lurking intentionally and i have to make to get out and say some stuff in the game. Serra can't just pick whatever he thinks and rub it on everyone face just because he is confirmed town. An useless confirmed town is as good as a dead townie to me. I am trying to build my reads through logics, if someone calls me scum, I would want to know where they are coming from because I am not scum. So I see myself viable for Mafia to vote me for no good reason but coming such votes from an IC makes me frustrated and angry.

You had a reason you didn't explain and then you got pissy because he didn't KNOW your reasons without your explaining.

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I'm getting townfeels from the convo, though, so there's that.

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And please ISO serra, Would you be the IC of this game and play like this. Ask yourself and AP too.

He's doing a metric fuckton better than the last gamestart IC I played with.

Which doesn't surprise me.

If you're town, then you need to find a way to work with him.

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Ffery, you get town feels from AA9? I actually thought her going after serra was unlikely to come from scum but I started scum reading her latest posts a little.

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Yes I am. We need a qt or a skype convo. en-hydra discussions in the game thread will make greyice's head explode.

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riddleton is probably town.

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hush you. orci is here in spirit and he's probscum.

regarding riddleton, he's reminding me a little of some open game morph replaced into a while back.

p-edit I was on the phone.

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I'll post after I leave my dad's. little too crazy to concentrate atm.

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I don't actually think he looks like he did in that open game. Not to say that makes him scum, cause I don't think he is, but yeh.

Honestly, I don't know if I can explain it other than how his posts come across.

oh

See, posts like this and "Why?" make me pretty much certain it's faked.

This just sounds like the kind of assumption a townie would jump to.

On the flip side, I dont see scum likely being bold enough to push something they know is false.

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As I recall, you (or at least the Cabd head) is not typically stoked about being scum, and that seemed genuine enthusiasm.

I have no idea where you picked up that idea about cabd's play.

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Actually if you don't mind I'm kind of more interested in the pidgeon's opinion, yours can wait until your mom stops doing the things that give you said headache.

You want my thoughts now?

Also, I'd like to hear why you were going to ask us to vote with you there.

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Would probably have been better to let him sort the rest before pointing that out.

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Actually if you don't mind I'm kind of more interested in the pidgeon's opinion, yours can wait until your mom stops doing the things that give you said headache.

You want my thoughts now?

Also, I'd like to hear why you were going to ask us to vote with you there.

Sure. And because I'm working on the AP head alongside your head, and AP's readable more in context for me when he makes voting pattern decisions, more if we ever morph against him, otherwise you'll have to guess at it.

I don't even remember what my thoughts were now. something about the brashly certain tone of his posts during the part of the game that we played. Also, I just liked that he was putting skin in the game so emphatically. Made the sudden pull-up/replace-out look like a genuine reaction. Which doesn't make it a town reaction, but something something touhou something.

Reading us separately is probably a decent approach for now.

p-edit I really don't know what to think about AA9. something something touhou something. No idea if there's vaguely similar backstory or not.

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Murder of Crows - Probably Scum
I have played wtih both AP & Fferyllt before, they both know me well enough to understand my town play. I understand if Fferyllt wont see the kind of person because we went back and forth in multiple games like this in which she was mostly wrong abou me. But AP is the on who concerns me a lot in this hydra than Ffryllt. I usually see AP as pro town player and he sure do knows how to read me well which was something he learnt from mastni but his respoonse to my interactions with Serra suprised me. I expected better than that.... And I see there is lack of game control from AP on this game because usually town AP takes over the control and literally leads the game.

The only post AP has made about or to you is 328. Most of my interaction with you has been trying to mediate.

This is such a severe misread of us. I don't understand how town-you would come up with it.

mine

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Hmm, are AA9 and boonskiies scum together? That would actually explain a lot.

LMP, Anatole, Grey, Istott, Riddleton, and maybe bassist make up a decent townblock.

We have a very slight paranoid niggle about Grey. And I think Medea is probably town.

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@Medea: It'd help if you used the [/post] tags, thanks. I don't know what you're referencing in your 337.
^That said, a lot of these points are good and Medea is still probably town.

@serra: Ooh, the 353 AA9 wall is actually pretty damning when you look at it like that. I think I overestimated the pressure that was on her.
Okay, AA9's not making it any better for herself. The IC bashing is just useless, and she voted Grey AFTER he explained the Egg scumread that we initially voted him for not explaining. (by the by, yeah, Grey's totally town, his rage looks legit and his posts really push a town agenda)

Grey makes a good point about istott's reads list, but I'm gonna hold off on looking at istott until after he actually finishes it.

AA9's reads list kinda sucks, tbh. Way too many nulls and lurking is not a scumtell, it's just lynchbait. The serra portion is completely unnecessary, and the reasons for suspecting Grey are just bad.

Boon's response to the pressure votes is null. He should not be anything other than a null on anyone's reads lists, IMO. But his lurking and response is definitely not scummy.

Right now, I'm looking at AA9, MiC, and LMP. Anti, Grey, Riddle, and Medea are all town. Want to see more from everyone else.

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I don't see anything in this post that suggests why you'd be townereading AA9.

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Alright let's see. AA9 is town, this is a townish way of jumping on a wagon.

This is what I see in your iso about why she's town. That's it?

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@Medea: It'd help if you used the [/post] tags, thanks. I don't know what you're referencing in your 337.
^That said, a lot of these points are good and Medea is still probably town.

@serra: Ooh, the 353 AA9 wall is actually pretty damning when you look at it like that. I think I overestimated the pressure that was on her.
Okay, AA9's not making it any better for herself. The IC bashing is just useless, and she voted Grey AFTER he explained the Egg scumread that we initially voted him for not explaining. (by the by, yeah, Grey's totally town, his rage looks legit and his posts really push a town agenda)

Grey makes a good point about istott's reads list, but I'm gonna hold off on looking at istott until after he actually finishes it.

AA9's reads list kinda sucks, tbh. Way too many nulls and lurking is not a scumtell, it's just lynchbait. The serra portion is completely unnecessary, and the reasons for suspecting Grey are just bad.

Boon's response to the pressure votes is null. He should not be anything other than a null on anyone's reads lists, IMO. But his lurking and response is definitely not scummy.

Right now, I'm looking at AA9, MiC, and LMP

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Anti, Grey, Riddle, and Medea are all town. Want to see more from everyone else.

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I don't see anything in this post that suggests why you'd be townereading AA9.

You appear to have missed the point (heh heh heh). I'm looking at AA9, you, and LMP for scum. Everything after that sentence is my townreads.

Yeah, that was quite un-obvious. My next question was going to be the basis for your townreading me.

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istott's transparent admission of struggle here looks pretty town to us.

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It (the opening post itself) wasn't specifically aimed at "freaking you out", i'm just having the same feelings inside that I did when I was playing xenoblade, or the last day of xenogears, or paraox prime, etc. Oh also and in day two of FE:A.

Can you expand on this? What same feelings?

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AP here. I'm all caught up. Ffery and I are (slowly) coming up with a reads list. I think antihero is my top pick for scum right now. Ffery sounded like she agreed that he's being less than town.

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no reason except for that pesky issue of voting town.

ffery-head is semi-v/la due to my family illness situation getting worse this weekend. I'll do my best to stay caught up and in-the-moment but no promises.

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AP here. I'm all caught up. Ffery and I are (slowly) coming up with a reads list. I think antihero is my top pick for scum right now. Ffery sounded like she agreed that he's being less than town.

My main issue with antihero is that he's not putting much effort at all into pushing his scumreads.

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AP here. I'm all caught up. Ffery and I are (slowly) coming up with a reads list. I think antihero is my top pick for scum right now. Ffery sounded like she agreed that he's being less than town.

My main issue with antihero is that he's not putting much effort at all into pushing his scumreads.

that's not even kind of true

and how AP can consistently scumread someone like me in towngames is nothing short of fucking amazing

You're scumreading me and your push is positively anemic compared to how you pushed me in the serum and steel game.

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@ffery: how do I figure out your alignment? :/

I sort of wanna agree on antihero, but you might well be scum...

my online time is extremely unpredictable, but I am online every day. Most people read me with a combo of meta and talking about how we both view the game state. It will be easier to answer questions right now than to generate content from scratch, if you have questions for me. My recent meta is crazy, I think. Cabd can probably give some insight into that and I think he'd be up front about it regardless of his alignment.

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ffery here and still being a useless sack of shit.

Serra, you want to talk?

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I do, but I'm somewhat busy until Friday. What do you think of recent replacement requests?

riddleton request is null to me, but I am townreading him for other reasons. LMP hasn't done anything that makes me think he's town. I want to call it null as well but I'll check some prior games to see if there's any correlations.

Do you think scum would be more likely to antagonize or appease me?

My generic scum model says appease. That would vary based on a player's overall play style/abstraction levels, etc.

Do you feel like you're getting reads based on how people are reacting to you? being conftown/near-conftown tends to muddy my reads because part of how I form reads is by seeing how players form reads on me.

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so many people

begging for my vote

sry ffery, it's still not you

VOTE: egg

We may actually join this crusade.

@egg and istott: what is your read on us and why?

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I would say in general

Lol.

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What do you mean by "make sense"? Do you mean gramatically? What I agree with?

Grammar we'll probably just have to give up on. That you agree with isn't necessary. Just everything in it that resembles a logical and coherent thought.

I'm curious what protown reason there is to have istott do this busy work.

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Bassists play style is anti town and I don't really have a town read on them.

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so many people

begging for my vote

sry ffery, it's still not you

VOTE: egg

We may actually join this crusade.

so i go from
"LOL ANTI'Z SO SCUM HE NEEDS ALL THE ROPEZ"

to

"LOL WE SHEEPZ ANTI TROLOLOLOLOL"

how di dthat happen?

:/

Yes, interacting with someone never, ever softens a read.

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ffery-head v/la.

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so many people

begging for my vote

sry ffery, it's still not you

VOTE: egg

We may actually join this crusade.

so i go from
"LOL ANTI'Z SO SCUM HE NEEDS ALL THE ROPEZ"

to

"LOL WE SHEEPZ ANTI TROLOLOLOLOL"

how di dthat happen?

It happened because after talking about reads with ffery, I put some good thought into who in my not - giving - town - vibes pile needs more pressuring. And I think egg is that person. I think ffery and I agree on some town reads and he's mutually not there.

His content this gsme just feels disappointing. No offense to egg, I know he's busy irl, but I don't know. None of his posts really look like they came from a probable townie.

-shrug-

Fwiw, I'm basically null reading you as of right now. Sorry for the try hard post guys. Also aa9s replace out looks town? My gut wants to say it's a town claim, but I'm not ready to write that check yet.

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Boonskies votes are yawn-central.

Like seriously wow. What a wagon.

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Re Boon's ISO: Its worth a vote, because? He has basically posted nothing. If you want to call him a policy lynch go ahead, but its downright dumb to expect votes will get him to post more, given his iso.

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Other concerns are that MC hasn't contributed to the game

Im going to assume this is a joke.

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I haven't fully gotten sync'd with ffery since she has personal life things going on, but:

Town: Serra, Anatole, Riddleton (whoever that is now), istott
Maybe Town: Medea (where r u guys?), greyJOY, Arcangel (whoever that is)
The rest: Antihero, LMP (whoever that is), Bassists, Boonskies, Egg

I guess I'll talk a little bit about my bottom group there.

Antihero: ffery and I both seemed to agree that he seems to be all bark and no bite this game, but he has been a bit better recently. Not ready to call him town, but not really wanting to look at him a whole lot right now either. A couple individual posts of his felt off, but not necessarily in a scummy way.

LMP: Early game reads over-aggressive. I'm not familiar with this guy, but feels a little bit forced, alignment aside. I origianlly suspected AH/LMP might be a team because their pushes on each other are rather baffling and neither of them came of looking town at all in it. Dunno. His little jab at Boon in 44 really looks like someone who is confirmation biasing or just determined to think Boon is scum already. He seems obsessed with talking only about those 2 players (one of which has just an RV as content at that point?). Finally branches out into including a fair number of other scumreadsand a couple of townreads. Eh? eh. Goblin looks a little better than LMP did. There is some definite dissonance between talking about feelings and then launching straight into discussion about meta and absolutes.

Boonskies: Is a lurker. Has done nothing. Has sort of implied he may just keep doing nothing. Null. Slight town lean because yolo420blazeit and I think scum wouldnt be 100% useless.

Bassists: I mostly dislike these guys posts which tints my lens a little bit. Im wary of hydras who bash each other after having Katsuki do it to mastin in Anything Goes and them turning out to be scum. Although that was more reads specifically and less other things I suppose. I know I got upset at mastin in our hydra since she kind of committed suicide, even if it was blazingly town the whole time. ANYWAYS, I understand why grey seems to be writing these guys off as town, but I'm not really ready to do that. Post 100 is a great example of a post that Im sure I could divine their alignment from if I had a gram of weed, a massage, and some dedicated time to do nothing but reread it on end. But I also just hate the opinions present in the post (chiefly that an RVS vote is a scandal and must be undone) so yeh. The interactions with egg here seem ~off~ regardless from one or both sides. I don't like this I guess more than anything. I see a lot of questions flying out of these guys and nothing that looks like an internal thought process that looks townish. Mostly just assertions and categorizing events in the thread. The need of whichever head it was to talk about their document felt weird to me too.

Egg: Im gonna be honest, Im off to the gym right now mostly so I can sit in the hottub for like a half hour, which is defo going to be the most relaxing part of my day. Egg is kind of a PoE scumread and nothing in his posts makes me think hes a probable townie, so ya. Lets start there: VOTE: Eggbert

[Murder of Crows]

And for funzies, if I had to gues the scumteam right now, it'd be Bassists, Egg, Antihero.

[Murder of Crows]

I disagree with your opinion on boonskies. Some players purposefully avoid the spotlight in these games.

VOTE: MurderoftheCrows
Boonskies is probably town and Murder is probably scum.
It is the only thing that clicks at this point.

[Murder of Crows]

I disagree with your opinion on boonskies. Some players purposefully avoid the spotlight in these games.

I happen to know that lurking is at worst a null tell for him.

[Murder of Crows]

@AP, you're really gonna go with a PoE scumread at this point?

@Goblin, what do you think of antihero?

Yes? I don't feel super strongly about any one player being scum. I see some interactions that look off. Eggs lack of anything that looks town in his iso works for me right now. I think my vote is better than the boonskies wagon which is pretty much a policy lynch.

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WWow.hes in my short list of people who could be scum. And I said slight town lean and added a diminutive to my own reason. So ya you are totally on to me. Good reading comprehension.

[Murder of Crows]

Yet you used his lurking to town read him. Logic...

Yes at least a null tell. Could be a town tell but I would never use lurking as a "tell" ever.

[Murder of Crows]

Well who would you lynch outside boonskies and egg?
Like seriously, I want you to think about that one.

I don't know it's not like I just made a reads list or anything.

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He has 15 posts. I'm not going to give scum an easy policy lynch. I'm not asking anything unreasonable.
Then again, you're not exactly staying consisten on your votes, so why should I care anyways?
On the other hand, I'm interested in MC's reads, because they will help me with my own.

Could murder of the crows be an easy target right now? Maybe, I'm not sure.

In fact you asking for reads and forgetting I just gave them looks an awful lot like bullshit.

[Murder of Crows]

Because I'm not a size queen. When it comes to cases at least. I have a lot to say about bassists because I'm still trying to talk out (to myself and\or others) if I actually think they are scum or just hilariously antimony players with comedic reads.

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Antitown** phone posting.

Also there isn't much to say about egg. He's posted a passable amount of content. None of it gives me town feels. Ffery also doesn't get town ffeels from him. Some people will say that doesn't make someone scummy but imo it's a damn good start.

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Last typo not intended to be a pun lol.

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On Bassists? Sure, I can get some Whiskey and whatnot together and read their ISO. I'll try to cut out most of my waffling (Im almost as bad as Tammy) and get to the point. I was hoping to get to that tonight, but my roommate just reminded me that midnight is the release of super smash bros 4, so we will be getting alcohol and then camping out in front of gamestop for a couple hours.

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So ya, that AA9 slot is looking really town right about now.

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what exactly makes you think I was trying to fake the "townslip" which I even said myself shouldn't be considered a townslip

This is one of those opinions that people often have that isn't likely to be true, but eh. Best to not worry about it.

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And I mean fucking obviously if she thinks you are scum, then she thinks you arelying about thinking its a townslip. Wow, that was so hard to figure out.

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thinking its NOT** a townslip.

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I didn't say it was a good opinion, and obviously I disagree with it. I'm saying its the kind of case I see people make occasionally and it has nothing to do with their alignment.

[Murder of Crows]

Serra, I want to know why you are voting us. I'm going to do my best to be civil for the time being so please indulge.

[Murder of Crows]

VOTE: HypotheticalBassist
Murder, move your vote.
I hope I'm correct in trusting your case.

(and arcangels replacements)

But then we would be sheeping each other in an infinite loop. The universe might explode.

[Murder of Crows]

Jesus christ, i already said I didn't have faith in the bassists case. It's like partly why I'm voting someone else.

Wow.

[Murder of Crows]

memorial service is tomorrow. I should be back into mafia games sometime on Sunday.


serra I don't know whether to be disappointed or gleeful that you've been so bad at reading us this game. I'm going to try for both simultaneously.

[Murder of Crows]

I'm back! I'll be making a bunch of posts now.

I've been really

horrible

lately, guys. I apologize for not being able to post. Been busy. I'll catch up within the

next few days.

This was why I voted you. I know now i was probably wrong, but it gave me the feeling that you weren't making an effort. Had you not said "next few days", I would not have voted you.

I don't really understand why this distinction makes you think differently about boonskies.

I also don't see what got you to make post 621. I mean, I do. You are trying to encourage serra to be more pro-town, whoop-dee-doo. I don't get what inspired you to make the post though, and that worries me. You fished through Serra's ISO for things to sheep and came up short? Ehhhh? And stripping away the parts of Serra's ISO where it can be divined why he did what he did is silly. I know he at least mentioned my entry post as a reason to vote me.¹ POINT BEING, your post doesn't really look town-motivated to me in a rather stark way, partly (and ironically) because it has a very superficial town-motivation attached to it, all wrapped up in a pretty bow.

Goblin has been rather baffling recently. Asking me to nail down my bassists opinion, scumreading me for not voting a person that I ACTUALLY FLATOUT SAID that I was waffling on when I DID say I have a scumread on the person Im voting. Using crappy self-meta to stick it to my slot for my entry post (see post-script) and then asking for reads from me and forgetting the ones I had. And also forgetting that I never really felt strongly about bassists at all. Its just disgusting. I can't tell if this is terrible or just scum. Oh god Im coming out of my happy-place to rain hellfire down on this game, forgive me ffery.

Boonskies latest post...I fele like I should have something to say about it...<sec> Oh shit, actually this makes me like Istott's latest string of posts even less. I thought it might be a town sign that he had an (obscure) reason for voting boonskies that he offered up, but now I see that Boon was asking him for it in the first place, so that town-cred I was going to consider handing out is POOF. Anyways, my interest in lynching boonskies has dropped further since reading his last post, because there are bigger fish and at least one (crappy) heuristic applicable that makes it a somewhat town post.

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Appendix
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Coincidentally I look down on a few of you in this game because my entry post is something I would never EVER make as scum because its the kind of post that has potential negative ramifications (drawing attention to yourself) and almost no positives ones. But ya go ahead and read bullshit into a post that probably shouldn't be looked at twice in the first place. Derp.

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Ok, here is my take on Serra:

I wish Serra would stop voting for townies.

Thats it!

I don't really care whether or not he explains his votes on townies. I just want him to stop doing it. Thats my take on Serra right now.

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Scum want people to keep voting for townies.

I never said your post was 'too town to be town'. I said that I don't see why YOU are interested in having Serra be more verbose. OBJECTIVELY, it makes sense for town to want what you are asking for. Despite that, *I* don't trust Serra. I don't care if he is confirmed town, that doesn't make him good at the game. In fact, his voting record is strongly implying the opposite. I just have a hard time seeing what inspired YOU to make that post. I can see scum making that post in order to 'look town'. You yourself seem to subconsciously accept my statement that your post looks town-motivated. What I have a hard time seeing, is a townie who respects Serra's judgement more than his own to the point that he asks a really generic thing of him. This just seems awkward.

[Murder of Crows]

serra we never had that talk we were going to have. I'm kinda back from v/la now. I'll keep an eye out.

[Murder of Crows]

And coincidentally I'm now out of town for thanksgiving. At an airport right now .

Hit me up on skype sometime soon ffery, or I will .

[Murder of Crows]

I'm here. Happy that crows has votes.

Why don't you explain why that is.

I'm having a difficult time getting my head back into all my games right now, but this one in particular involves several players saying yep lolscum and not much else.

[Murder of Crows]

okay, i've decided.

VOTE: murder is scum.
yep. lolscum.

If you guys do wind up lynching us, then I think you should take a really good look at this vote on day 2.

[Murder of Crows]

Cabd, when you're around, I'd like to talk about istott with you. Would like your thoughts on his appeal to serra to step it up.

[Murder of Crows]

I read Cabd largely through interaction and through what I think of his reads. My objective is to clarify some of our thoughts on istott and to try and develop a read on Medea. They haven't posted anything alarming so far, but I wouldn't expect scum-them to. Time is growing short, and I want some data from them to hit the thread.

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more info is coming out of the "yep lolscum" players than the ones posting walls

is this some of that sterling info you're talking about anti?

I don't have anything more to say. Don't know why I'm being prodded.
Lynch murder.

[Murder of Crows]

cabd I want you on record about this wagon.

[Murder of Crows]

also fuck you for showing up when all I've got is a phone and a was of him.

[Murder of Crows]

wad of gum

[Murder of Crows]

About which wagon? Yours?

bit back something sarcastic.
i don't want this day to end without you taking a position on my alignment.

[Murder of Crows]

this is a terrible time for me to be breaking in a new hydra. that's all the excuse I'm making.

[Murder of Crows]

still waiting for your thoughts on istott's appeal.

[Murder of Crows]

Crows, your behavior to me just feels like someone trying to emulate townie behavior. Reach outs that feel like an insincere attempt to get someone on your side like this one ^ or the one before it for example.

I won't pretend that my reach out to serra is anything other than trying to get him on our side. That doesn't mean I'm scum though.

[Murder of Crows]

I intend to finalize a read list later tonight or tomorrow. I pretty much expect were getting lynched at this point. I'm getting paranoia about a few reads.

[Murder of Crows]

I'll be around almost all of today if you'd like to wait for "in time" chat when you have a keyboard and mouse.

I'm back. Let's do this.

[Murder of Crows]

I see you in site chat, Cabd.

[Murder of Crows]

league gimmie 25-30

[Murder of Crows]

Cabd, it doesn't look like you're starting day 2 with a townread from conftown-ffery.

[Murder of Crows]

It took me way too long to figure out why you called yourself conftown.

[Murder of Crows]

I don't care?


Also in my defense it was a REALLY fucking good nap afterwards.

Where on your bucket list again is that line item about me getting mislynched?

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Anatole

I liked his initial engagement with me over the question about pressure votes and whether townpoints accrue to pointing out the futility of labeling a vote pressure, etc. But, in retrospect that's a pretty useless bit of theory discussion upon which to firm up a scumread, and his reasons for voting us are weak and vague enough that he's likely to get no washback at all (from town, anyway) about our flip. I don't like that. And I don't see nearly enough work at this game given his townplay in the Flying Aces mini. But, he put down a ton of effort in the Mafia on the Air mini as scum, so looks pretty subpar if he's scum, too.

So, maybe it's just that this game has stagnated to such a degree that nobody really gives a shit at this point.

So, Null I think. I'll see how this compares to other players.

~ ffery read.

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I don't care?


Also in my defense it was a REALLY fucking good nap afterwards.

Where on your bucket list again is that line item about me getting mislynched?

It already happened?

I don't recall scum-you having anything to do with a game where I was mislynched.

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lynchmeplease/goblin

Rereading lynchmeplease, I'm recalling why I never understood the votes he was picking up at one point. He was pretty aggressive, and I liked especially a post where he called riddleton town, and a later post where he was calling out and agreeing with riddleton posts that I liked. Then he voted hypotheticalbassists and I liked that, too. Also, looking through goblin's posts they hang together a lot better than I thought.

I'm going to call him town.

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hypotheticlbassists

First off, their lack of activity is troublesome. I feel like they could be trying to lurk away negative attention, and if so, it's working. The whole rvs vote thing still looks bad, as much because of all the effort to explain it as hydra dissonance as the actual posts that precipitated it all. Post 416, especally the part about AA9 looked particularly bad to us.

The read is scum, and I'm happy to have our vote there.

[Murder of Crows]

Hey Medea, I'm putting these reads out here partly for you to interact with me about them. :/

[Murder of Crows]

tell me why I'm reminding you of chef mafia then.

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Antihero

I hate his iso. The only reads of his that jump out at me as something I agree with are the AA9 and the egg reads. But, since I don't actually have enough from his posts to figure out why he liked aa9 and thinks egg is scum, I'm not giving him much credit there. No explanation of his reads, lots of bombast without reasoning.

Don't like this and wouldn't be at all surprised if he's scum.

[Murder of Crows]

AA9/Mikuru

AA9 was town before she replaced out, was town for the way she replaced out, and Mikuru has been decently town. Her reads list is sufficiently against the grain of the game state, that it feels very much to me like a town player coming in with fresh eyes, not scum looking to blend in.

I have a feeling this is going to be my strongest townread once I've finished this exercise.

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GreyICE

I kinda feel the same way as I do about Antihero, except there have been a number of times that he's said something I was thinking at precisely the point in the thread where I was thinking it. I disagree with him on several reads, but don't have a strong sense of why he's holding those reads (examples: Hypnobassists, Boonskies) I feel like he's had a chilling effect on the game, but I don't feel confident it's alignment indicative.

He's on AP's paranoia-driven scum team prediction, but we wouldn't vote here today and I guess I hope he'll step it up if he's town and be a force for good as the game progresses.

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Egg

I disliked the start of his game, and pretty much disliked everything he posted prior to here and this post was kinda mixed. The riddleton vote seriously bothered me (GreyICE scumreading riddleton also bothered me btw). I liked that he backed off riddleton, but I dislike that he switched to hypnobassists at that point simply due to the wagon size and the fact that he was now voting with his erstwhile scumread.

His post 475 indicates that he's still scumreading riddleton, so voting with riddleton earlier on hypnobassists feels pretty odd. Otherwise, it's not the worst catch-up post I've ever seen. Bitching about a 20 page thread, though, is basically a suck up to GreyICE I think.

Still think he's scum. And I see our vote is on him, not hypno. I can live with that, but I think they're both scum, and Egg prepared to bus there for a while.

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Boonskiis

His iso looks pretty fucking terrible, except for his push on istott and reaction to AA9. His votes seem a little omgussy, though. First game with him, no time to do any sort of serious meta dive. I think AP has him as town. Works for now.

[Murder of Crows]

Riddleton/Yonce

Riddleton looked very town to me, especially his reaction to GreyICE. Yonce gets the benefit of that for now, but I'm not impressed with their posts.

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Istott

This is the only read where I think I may seriously disagree with AP, which is one reason I've badgered Cabd for a read here. His posts give me newb vibes, or at least new to forum mafia vibes. He seems to be trying to be transparent in a way that reminds me a little of Iece-town and maybe Deas-town. Anyway, I see why the istott appeal to serra bothers AP, and I may be discounting it too much as something I'm not surprised to see from a relatively new player.

Leaning town.

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tell me why I'm reminding you of chef mafia then.

The parts where I ignore my gut to townread you while the entire rest of the game correctly scumreads you.

Well, see, your touchy-feely gut stuff is what has pretty much cratered the grudging townread I was leaning with your off the bat push of me.

You're not a gut-based player for the most part.

[Murder of Crows]

So, I was going to write up my medea read last, and that 's the crux of it right there. Tomorrow you 're going to say "oh fuck I should have listened to my head. OOPS!"

[Murder of Crows]

Now, what do you think about my other reads?

[Murder of Crows]

Now, what do you think about my other reads?

This is your chance to dance.

[Murder of Crows]

And bullshit. I've tried to initiate convos with you and serra despite the crappy schedule I've had since game start and got fuckall back for my efforts.

[Murder of Crows]

I'm aware, I'm only conscious for about another 15-30, so do you have a preference of order?

The ones you disagree with.

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I don't care about my lynch at this point except in terms of hurt pride, but I own my part in this clusterfuck.

I want my reads in the game, I want them clarified, and above all I want to sort you because if you're scum, I want this mislynch to bite you and your team hard.

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I don't understand what you mean with reference to egg.

I kinda like what you're saying about istott. I think that's probably what AP is picking up as well.

[Murder of Crows]

go to sleep. but be here to continue this tomorrow plz. time is short.

We may move our vote to hypno. depends on what AP thinks about my reads. I know he agrees with my thoughts about goblin, but we did another pass in the night thing today.

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Goblin makes zero sense. Still townreading the slot though.

Why?

@ffery: what do you think of people replacing out? Egg not confirming? Grey's rage? Anatole denying his 'townslip'? Goblin's level of experience? istott's?

Aside from AA9 the replace-outs mostly look null to me, though the replace out that riddleton rescinded looked pretty town. The hypno replace out is probably the scummiest because of the timing.

I'm thinking about what Cabd said about the inexperience feeling a little played up. I think he and AP are kinda on the same page with that, so that read softened after I posted it. AP also is feeling less critical of Anti right now than I do, so the consensus there also softens. It's possible I'm just feeling pissy about the way he's encouraged our wagon without putting his vote on us.

Anatole denying his townslip gave me townfeels. Like I said, the read has slipped to null mostly because his effort feels off (as either town or scum) from the bits of experiential meta I have with him. I haven't paid any attention to Goblin's level of experience. I'll have a look. I'm mostly townreading him from LMP's posts.

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Murder, I find it interesting that you think I'm scum with two of my scum reads. Also, going process of elimination feels weird when you have decent points on Antihero, Hypo, and maybe even LynchMe (Goblin at the time of the post I'm reading).

I think you're assuming a level of team-hunting that I seldom do, especially without flips. I noted the possibility you were bussing one of my other scumreads, You jumped off that vote at around the time boonskiis voted AA9, making allowances for your current schedule/life events. The jump off timing is what made me wonder if it could be backing off a bus. The vote sentiment around us was starting to swell, though it was later before more votes actually hit the game thread.

p-edit gah.

I like your defense of LMP.

Unvote:

I want an actual reads synch before I/AP put our vote back down.

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The hypno replace out is probably the scummiest because of the timing.

What about them still giving reads upon replacing out?

You make a decent point. Ask Cabd about the game where I declared a scum player the towniest of towns for putting down a full, detailed summary of his thoughts about the game - reads as well as suggestions about where to go next - in NY165.

Do you have meta experience with how they replace out as town/scum?

Do we have any points of agreement aside from AA9-town?

I've seen your question about scum-GreyICE and rage. I have one game's experience with him and he was a town mason/lover, and as it turned out the enabler of my slot's vig ability. I don't remember him being quite as ragey as that one point in this game, but he had his moments there.

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The question on the table is whether GreyICE rages like this as scum.

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And I don't have an answer. Might get a chance to do some meta research tonight. Tomorrow and possibly Friday my access will be minimal.

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ffer, what part of my play here is inconsistent with my play in flying aces day 1?

You pursued players more. There was also this really strong though hard to quantify thing where over and over again in that game you posted what I was thinking at that precise point in the game, about the post you were responding to. Knowing that we can think alike as town, and knowing that we mostly didn't think alike when you were scum in Mafia on the Air, I'm holding it a little against you.

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And I should say you pursued players more consistently throughout day 1.

In this game, I liked your early play and then wound up wondering what the fuck later in the game day. And I feel like yours (and just about everyone's) vote/push on me is lazy and limp. No fire. No ah ha! Just an occasional drive by 'yep still scum' for the most part.

I'm used to being nailed to the damn wall and fighting it tooth and nail when people are lynching me whether correctly or not.

The apathy in this game is discouraging and made it hard for me to get my teeth into the game when I was able to get back to it.

[Murder of Crows]

do you really expect to think alike with someone who has an early scumread on you?

It happens pretty often actually. I wind up distrustful where we disagree in terms of considering their position, but those flashes of thinking what I'm thinking are pretty reassuring in my townreads.

do you think the only people who could potentially claim to scumread you are scum?

I take it you haven't paid any attention to my reads vomit outside of my currently null-ish read on you. You were a potential PoE into my scumpile, but I wound up not going there. Not today. Out of the 3 not-serra players on my wagon last night, I had two in my townpile and you as null.

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I actually didn't do shit in that game day one until MC came in and was the most obvious scum in history which made it pretty easy to pursue him

You were pushing players right out of the box? Macrell, Baezu, and at one point I thought you would go after Majiffy. You'd explained Macrell-scum a few times before you made that case on MC-scum.

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Well, the implication was that you would get some insight into my alignment based on how much you agree with what I'm saying just considering the one day we played together in Beli's game. I thought it was worth commenting on independently of your other posts because that strategy seems pretty ineffective. It's not just limited to your read on me (which is why I'm asking about your methodology in finding scum even though you aren't explicitly scumreading me), it just doesn't seem like a useful way to get a read on anyone and seems kinda arrogant.

The one alignment I know for sure in most games is my own. Degree of convergence with me in how players see the game is not a be all and end all, but when it happens and that player is town I look for it in future games. And there are players I learn to read who usually have no convergence at all - I find other ways to figure them out.

I'm really not sure what you want here. You're not being scumread I'm not going to the gallows screaming for your blood.

I think you have plenty upon which to base a decent read of me. I am not going to take ownership of you continuing to misread me.

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I don't think I would call that pushing - but me being wrong on those players in Beli's (and a disastrous open game where I was way too aggressive on bad reads) kinda led to my more passive approach when I'm not sure like you're seeing here. I'm not pushing you hard because I don't feel strongly about it, but from a "vibes" or gut level your play seems off and different from on the air.

My play here actually probably more similar to my play in flying aces. I was extremely busy and had trouble getting my head into that game at first. My hydra partner was more active than me during the mid-portion of that game. I gave MC some leeway because of the doc claim, and I defended Majiffy from Thor, unsuccessfully. I developed a strong early townread on you that stayed the distance. That was pretty much the sum total of my contribution to that game.

AP is if anything more time crunched than I am, though probably less stressed by real life. Otherwise, in this player list I'd probably be scumread (and justifiably though erroneously so) for hiding behind my hydra partner. I have a well known distaste for drawing scum roles.

[Murder of Crows]

Can we murder crows someone already?

The chances of that happening have been decreasing. You might want to give some thought to other scumreads just in case we don't wind up the default deadline lynch after all.

[Murder of Crows]

You make a decent point. Ask Cabd about the game where I declared a scum player the towniest of towns for putting down a full, detailed summary of his thoughts about the game - reads as well as suggestions about where to go next - in NY165.

Do you have meta experience with how they replace out as town/scum?

Do we have any points of agreement aside from AA9-town?

I've seen your question about scum-GreyICE and rage. I have one game's experience with him and he was a town mason/lover, and as it turned out the enabler of my slot's vig ability. I don't remember him being quite as ragey as that one point in this game, but he had his moments there.

I think we have similar thoughts about anatole, only our conclusions are different. And Yonce-town we agree on?

I haven't played with either part of hyp, but I've never seen scum replace out with any sort of effort. I would say there's a psychological difference between scum and town replacing out, and this feels like the latter.

Do you think boon has given enough to justify a read from AP either way?

I think I would be most comfortable with an antihero or boon lynch today, thoughts?

I missed your question. I'm not sure of the basis from AP. I think it was a meta read. From my perspective, I hated his AA9 push and I felt like both of his votes were OMGUSy. I don't think he's a new player, but his suspicion of anyone who votes him has a newb flavor to it.

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I'm upgrading my read of anatole to town based on our exchange.

mine

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So I'm not sure if this will make any sense, but I have a problem with ffery trying to frame other people's reads on her in the specific context of the cohesiveness of her reads and the quality of her logic.

Hi anka.

I don't know what this means. I'd respond if I did.

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AP also is feeling less critical of Anti right now than I do, so the consensus there also softens.

Actually I just woke up (yes its 4:00am, my sleep schedule is wack) and was considering asking if you wanted to wagon there right now. After further consideration of his ISO, I wouldn't really be opposed to just voting him Today.

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And why does Arc's replace out confirm that slot?

Its just the way she replaced out. Look at the emotional implications behind everything she did. If she was scum, she was blatantly using emotions and replacing out to look town on her way out, which is sort of low and I ultimately doubt she would do. At the least, its unlikely. What makes a lot more sense is that she was town, got pissed off that people couldn't see that, and then replaced out because she was so mad about that. I guess it helps to know AA9 a bit (not sure if you do), but everything in my intuition tells me this is most likely townrage.

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You make a decent point. Ask Cabd about the game where I declared a scum player the towniest of towns for putting down a full, detailed summary of his thoughts about the game - reads as well as suggestions about where to go next - in NY165.

Was that my slot? Domo? Also way back in the day, Sharizah replaced out in the middle of a wall post (mykonian took her place) and mykonian got tons of towncred because of the effort and reads she put in IN HER REPLACE OUT POST. Mykonian and I endgamed Nero, Jason, and pidgey that game.

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As for why I'm giving out reads, it's mainly so my replacement has a conftown thought process to hear

Was your reads/thoughts throughout the rest of the game NOT something your replacement would benefit from reading? I mean why does it matter that you do it now?

The question on the table is whether GreyICE rages like this as scum.

I vaguely recall MindReader Mafia which was a mini theme in the days before uberninja got banned. I'd have to read it again, but GI was scum there. Basically I don't see his emotions in this game as alignment indicative either way. The main reason I'm leaning town on him is the same thing you mentioned - that he expressed opinions that resonated with how I felt at a couple points.

I think I would be most comfortable with an antihero or boon lynch today, thoughts?

I could probably do either of these TBH.

Can we murder crows someone already?

And I feel like yours (and just about everyone's) vote/push on me is lazy and limp. No fire. No ah ha! Just an occasional drive by 'yep still scum' for the most part.

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Also, I'm switching to a new user, to prevent confusion (around how experienced I am.)
This new user is "eyestott"

Cheeky scumbutt.

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Sorry about that scum PM, Ank.

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Since when are you town reading us? And you think boon is town? I described your iso as a graveyard to ffery on skype. Do you think your posts meet your own standards?

Also consider us tentatively voting ankamius. It's thanksgiving so hopefully we will talk after that.

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Since when are you town reading us? And you think boon is town? I described your iso as a graveyard to ffery on skype. Do you think your posts meet your own standards?

>since goblin's voting you.
>probably
>well, i'm not voting town so there's that

Look I'm still considering you goblin and bassists as a team partly because you voted him back then. And throw bassists in for that one post where they took lmps side for some reason. I mean come on >.>. I realize I'm a little insane but I dint get why you think it'd impossible for goblin to be bussing us when it looks likely were getting lynched anyways. We were posturing in thread a little and skype that our lynch was almost assured.

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I've been wanting to talk about this game so I'll try to be around but I'm at thanksgiving so ymmv.

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Ok ah, why is boon a town read then?

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Nevermind. I'm over it. I can't agree with that reasoning ever. I find your faith disturbing.

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Ok ah, why is boon a town read then?

Because I was being considered for a policy lynch due to 'lurking'. Anywho, I think I've developed a town read for Anatole. Ever since the game him and I were scum together, I've been able to read him easier.

You didn't just put lurking in quotes.

Girl, please.

Also shaddap, anti and I are having a romantic moment.

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Nevermind. I'm over it. I can't agree with that reasoning ever. I find your faith disturbing.

1)ok
2)get the star wars quote right

The quote wouldn't make sense if I did it right now would it? You must feel awfully confident to base multiple townreads on where your hypothetical team is voting.

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Who are Iece and Deas? I am new to Forum mafia. When you talk about my transparency, what are you referring to?

Earlier in the game, it looked to me like you were trying to put a lot of what you were thinking into your posts, which usually makes it easier to read a player, and also makes it easier for a town player to demonstrate their towniness because it's usually a lot of effort to emulate town thought process in lots of posts, especially long ones.

Iece is Iecerent and Deas is Deasvail. I threw those names out thinking it might help players who know one of them understand what I was trying to say about your posts.

Here's is a game post where Iece actually described what he was doing and why. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5105738

He was town.

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Boon lynch?

boon's in our null pile.

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Medea. :/

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A fair bit of data has hit the thread since you checked in last. Who do you want to lynch?

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Yeah we do. Can you explain why you want to lynch boonskiis?

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I went off and reflected on the times that someone has made that sort of comment in games and been scum.

I think AP is ok with a boonskiis lynch. He's also ok with an anti or bassists/ankamius lynch.

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also, goblin's play is eventually going to erode my riddleton townread. Right now I think it would be mostly an irritable vote if I went there.

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because?

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also, goblin's play is eventually going to erode my riddleton townread. Right now I think it would be mostly an irritable vote if I went there.

he replaced lmp

who, sadly, was an even stronger town read.

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ffery!

are you talking w/ ap right now about how much you hate my guts?

because i get it if you are

meh.

phoneposting and watching my cousin's toddler try to feed himself to the family python while his mom and dad pack up the trailer to move. it's quite surreal. I'll be online fire really reals in a few hours.

I'm ready to go home now.

medea is not a townread.

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VOTE: Ankamius

Should be around to move this as necessary.

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ffery!

are you talking w/ ap right now about how much you hate my guts?

because i get it if you are

Nope.

Why should we hate you?

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oh deadline's tomorrow?

damn

well, i'll take the flashwagon on boon over murderofcrows lynch

In case it's not obvious, we will move vote to boon to dl lynch if needed.

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VOTE: Ankamius

Should be around to move this as necessary.

From town, this vote with no accompanying push makes zero sense.

How would your interaction with anka have been different if you're both scum?

, it makes complete sense, thanks. Sorry for being lazy, but I'm far from the worst offender in that department in this thread.

If I were scum with Ankamius, I wouldn't be voting for him: