Open 25 - Jester Mafia (Jester Wins/Mafia 2nd) - before 462

[Sir Tornado]

Original Roll String: 1d9

1 9-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

[Sir Tornado]

Vote Qman

[Sir Tornado]

Ah... I came so close to being voted of... -1!

You do know the danger of this, don't you? If I turn out to be a jester, it is game over on page one.

Unvote

Vote Lawrencelot

(OMGUS)

[Sir Tornado]

Ok, let us get this moving.

As far as I am concerned:

Scum = Lawrencelot and gorckat

Jester = YogurtBandit

The list is subjected to be changed many times in the future.

[Sir Tornado]

unvote:

vote: Lawrencelot

Another thing we need to know is that we really can't put anyone at L-1 because if we L-1 the jester they hammer themselves and win.

Lawrencelot is already voting for himself, so it doesn't matter if we put him on L-1 or not.

[Sir Tornado]

unvote

i dont like that. you join a wagon, and then as soon as someone else hops on, you leave without a word.
I find myself substantially in agreement with Sir Tornado about the scum.

If Lawrencelot comes up scum, im almost certain that Gorckat is his scumbuddy.
If Lawrencelot comes up town, id say Pickemgenius is more likely to be scum.

Thadmiral looks either super-scummy, or super-noobish. Id say the latter is more likely at this point. He's not the play for today at least.

BM

I am deeply suspicious of anyone who's agreeing with me early on in the game, especially when I haven't given enough solid reasons for stating whatever they are agreeing with me about. This sort of behaviour is, IMO a scum tactic -- where the scum tries to associate himself/herself with a townie early on in the game.

So,

IGMEOY Battlemage

Sir Tornado's choice of Lawrence for an OMGUS vote intrigues me...the vote order was:

Weyouns Last Chance (hereafter known to me as WLC)
Qman (OMGUS as Sir's random target)
pick (with playful paranoia over a bandwagon)
Lawrence (calling me the jester)
Yogurt (with no comment)

WeyounsLastChance clearly had a random vote.
Qman's OMGUS, I can accept
pickemgenius was too blatant about his joining the bandwagon that I knew it was not a serious vote.

The next in line was Lawrencelot. I combined my OMGUS sentiment to the fact that he acted scummy the next two posts (called you a jester, voted for self) and cumulated that with a vote on him.

[Sir Tornado]

I

vote ThAdmiral

, because he hasn't posted yet.

He had posted two posts before you posted the one I am quoting WLC.

[Sir Tornado]

A claim huh? That won't mean much in this setup. I'll tell you this: I'm Scum or Jester. Up to you to find out.

That's enough for me. Lawrence is scum. And, as I stated before, gorckat is his most likely scum buddy.

Let's go lynching already... who does the town want to strike first? Lawrencelot or gorckat?

[Sir Tornado]

You think Lawrencelot is a jester? I feel that post (one I quoted in my last post) just about confirmed my suspicion of him as scum

[Sir Tornado]

Then you would lose. If Lawrence makes it through the night, he is 100% scum and should be treated as such.

If the town must lynch someone today, then hit me and go after Lawrence tomorrow if he lives. I'm not the Jester and it won't lose the game if I hang.

And I'd really like to hear why Thad is also still voting Lawrence. I'm not convinced a Jester wouldn't make that statement (I'm scum or Jester, figure it out). Can someone can cite previous examples? I understand it seems

plausible

, but its a testable claim as I've described.

No problem.

Unvote

Vote gorckat

[Sir Tornado]

JDodge:

Why would a Townie false claim? What is the logic behind it?

[Sir Tornado]

What reasoning? You've made statements, but I haven't seen this thing you call 'reasoning'.

1) Lawrence claimed jester/scum
2) The jester can beat the mafia
3) If Lawrence is alive Day 2, he's no threat to the mafia
4) If Lawrence is alive Day 2, he's scum

That's my basic thought process on the matter. If the scum want to lose, they let a jester live.

I feel like a broken record...

That (Without specifing a person) was the theory i was mulling over in my earlier game.

We have two people we are in general thinking are the jester, the mafia has to try to NK the jester asap so they don't lose, so the rest of your post follows.

I think Gorckat's logic is wrong. What if they try to reverse the situation with us and not NK the jester, but an innocent townie? Then, the onus to not lose shifts upon us rather than the mafia, and we would grow vary of lynching Lawrencelot.

If I were scum, my strategy would be to keep the jester alive as long as possible (at least until day 3), because so long as he survives, the scum automatically get protection by doubt.

[Sir Tornado]

Mmm maybe Tornado, but the are also taking a huge risk at losing to a jester lynch when they can remove the threat of a loss through that manner immediately. I'll have to think about it some more, right now I'm straddlin the fence on this idea.

The question is, will the town risk it?

I won't.

[Sir Tornado]

Okay, I think Lawrence and Sir Tornado are the scum. Lawrence per his claim, and Sir Tornado because he tries to seed doubt so we don't lynch Lawrence tomorrow, as he obviously won't be NK'ed tonight.

The only thing I find strange if this is correct, is that Sir Tornado almost got lynched already. But maybe the reason he wasn't lynched while he was close is because the mafia did not vote for their own...

So, I vote

Sir Tornado

.

I don't get it.

First you say Lawrencelot and I are scum.

And then you say "

But maybe the reason he wasn't lynched while he was close is because the mafia did not vote for their own...

"

Check the initial posts again... Lawrencelot put me on -2.

[Sir Tornado]

Yes, and you didn't get hammered. So maybe your scummate already placed his vote to avoid being connected to you. If all the people voting for you were townies, the scum could've easily killed you by lynching.

This is ridiculous. Why would the scum drop the hammer on the first page? That would be a ticket for them to be lynched the next day.

[Sir Tornado]

WLC: I asked you this in post 138.

Yes, and you didn't get hammered. So maybe your scummate already placed his vote to avoid being connected to you. If all the people voting for you were townies, the scum could've easily killed you by lynching.

This is ridiculous. Why would the scum drop the hammer on the first page? That would be a ticket for them to be lynched the next day.

[Sir Tornado]

WLC: I asked you this in post 138.

Yes, and you didn't get hammered. So maybe your scummate already placed his vote to avoid being connected to you. If all the people voting for you were townies, the scum could've easily killed you by lynching.

This is ridiculous. Why would the scum drop the hammer on the first page? That would be a ticket for them to be lynched the next day.

And the scum didn't drop the hammer. Also, Lawrence vote didn't put you on L-1, just at L-2. I still don't see why that couldn't be a vote to make it look like you two don't play scum together.

What do you mean by

The scum did not drop the hammer

? Did you seriously expect the scum to drop the hammer on page 2?

[Sir Tornado]

No lynch?

And, exactly where does the No-Lynch lead us to?

If we do not lynch anyone today, then what we do on day 2 would be more or less determined by the NK, which the scum controls.

If we lynch someone, we can go on to day 2 based on the identity of the person we have lynched and the NK.

I believe, as I had said somewhere on page 2 that Gorckat and Lawrencelot are the scum, and am willing to take responsibility for either of their lynches (in other words, if they go bad, you can lynch me tomorrow -- no, before anyone asks, I am NOT the Jester)

[Sir Tornado]

No lynch?

And, exactly where does the No-Lynch lead us to?

If we do not lynch anyone today, then what we do on day 2 would be more or less determined by the NK, which the scum controls.

As long as you kill Lawrence, assuming he's not scum, then we're fine.

As pick noted, and I've said over and over, if scum want to win, they kill Lawrence, else we lynch him tomorrow. If he's the Jester, everyone loses.

How can I kill Lawrence? I don't have any such ability.

[Sir Tornado]

Vote Lawrencelot

FOS: gorckat

[Sir Tornado]

I still stick to my day 2 opinion.

Gorckat and Lawrencelot are the scum. I can't believe half the town decided to buy gorckat's No-Lynch yesterday. Can we lynch him or Lawrencelot today please?

Now, here is my questions to those who no-lynched yesterday:

1) Why did you no lynch?

2) Are the reasons you no-lynched yesterday valid today too?

3) If they are, then what was the point in no-lynching yesterday?

This is precisely the reason why I hate no-lynches

[Sir Tornado]

EBWOP:

I meant my Day

one

opinion...

[Sir Tornado]

I care not to tell at the moment.

Why not?

[Sir Tornado]

My vote is staying on Lawrencelot at the moment. I am not a big fan of days lasting only 1 page.

[Sir Tornado]

I'm intrigued that you were voting me yesterday, but not today.

I thought more about "Lawrencelot must being NKed if he is not scum theory" and even though I disagreed with it yesterday, it makes sense to me now.

[Sir Tornado]

JDodge- if I'm town, what does that prove that lynching Lawrence does not?

If you are town?

If

?

[Sir Tornado]

WLC: I would like to claim.

I am neither Jester nor Scum. If you don't believe me, then lynch me the day after we lynch Gorckat (if the town has not won by then, I may add). I have no problem with that because I believe Lawrencelot is the scum, and when the day ends today, there will be only one scum remaining. So, you might as well start lynching the most suspicious people around (except YB, who I think is Jester). I recommend it start from Gorckat and Me, because we both are the only people who had a vote on us at the end of day 1.

I have absolutely no problem being lynched as long as I get to win the game with the rest of the town.

[Sir Tornado]

Gorckat: The claim is not totally unnecessary. WLC seems to be suspecting me all along, and I think right now, the only way to get rid of that suspicion is for him to

see

that I am town.

[Sir Tornado]

It's twilight???

But, the mod didn't say anything about lynch in his last post... and there haven't been any votes since!

[Sir Tornado]

YB: It is

Vote Gorckat

[Sir Tornado]

The argument which I said makes sense was the one about Lawrencelot not being the jester if he was not lynched the day 1. This has nothing to do with why I think you are scummy:

Gorc is the jester. Let's assume this until someone else becomes more Jester-like.

Vote: Sir Tornado

And, I had said on page 2 (post 28):

Ok, let us get this moving.

As far as I am concerned:

Scum = Lawrencelot and gorckat

Jester = YogurtBandit

The list is subjected to be changed many times in the future.

Then, you have a lot of JDodge posts like these:

More BS.

Your entire theory revolves around telling the scum what to do. I would not kill Lawrence in that situation if I were scum.

Besides, you can just tell yourself and Lawrence what to do at night anyways, no need to drag it out into the daytime.

I voted no-lynch because I didn't think gorckat was a good lynch choice.

Now I do.

Vote: gorckat

I care not to tell at the moment.

Why not?

Because it will mess up my strategy, of course.

I know you aren't the jester, gorck. Otherwise it would be stupid to be voting you.

Nothing.

But you're making me happier with my vote with every sentence.

He was after you. So, you took him out. Any more obvious?

And, finally, your own slip:

JDodge-

if

I'm town, what does that prove that lynching Lawrence does not?

Now, I would like to draw everyone's attention to my post:

181

(day 1) where I said:

No lynch?

And, exactly where does the No-Lynch lead us to?

If we do not lynch anyone today, then what we do on day 2 would be more or less determined by the NK, which the scum controls.

If we lynch someone, we can go on to day 2 based on the identity of the person we have lynched and the NK.

I believe, as I had said somewhere on page 2 that Gorckat and Lawrencelot are the scum, and am willing to take responsibility for either of their lynches (in other words, if they go bad, you can lynch me tomorrow -- no, before anyone asks, I am NOT the Jester)

Well, that still stands.

[Sir Tornado]

Bah, I will stick to my word.

Vote Sir Tornado

[Sir Tornado]

I understand what you are saying BM. But, I cast the first vote... then, Gorckat self voted (I did not expect him to do anything like that) and then TheAdmiral hammered.

I don't understand the hammer. Why did you hammer after a self vote TheAdmiral?

[Sir Tornado]

No, I am not the Jester.

[Sir Tornado]

No, I am not the Jester.

well you wouldn't admit it would you.

So, how do I convince you I am not the Jester?

[Sir Tornado]

BTW, Battle Mage, even if I am the Admiral, and you lynch me, you can still win. So, if I were a Jester, I would come forward at this moment and say I am a Jester. Lynching Jester right now gives Town the best possible chance of getting the scum.

We are, currently on a LyLo unless we lynch the Jester. If we fail to lynch the scum, or the Jester right now, and the Scum does not NK the jester, then we go into the next day with:

1 Scum
1 Jester
1 Townie.

At that time, the Jester can claim, the scum can lynch him, and he can win the game. But, the game still continues, and the scum can endgame the townie, thus giving victory to the Scum and the Jester.

So, whatever we do, we have to hit either the Scum or the Jester today. However, after my yesterday's work, I don't think I have any right to suspect anyone at the moment...

[Sir Tornado]

Now, I would like to draw everyone's attention to my post:

181

(day 1) where I said:

No lynch?

And, exactly where does the No-Lynch lead us to?

If we do not lynch anyone today, then what we do on day 2 would be more or less determined by the NK, which the scum controls.

If we lynch someone, we can go on to day 2 based on the identity of the person we have lynched and the NK.

I believe, as I had said somewhere on page 2 that Gorckat and Lawrencelot are the scum, and am willing to take responsibility for either of their lynches (in other words, if they go bad, you can lynch me tomorrow -- no, before anyone asks, I am NOT the Jester)

Well, that still stands.

This is why I self voted.

[Sir Tornado]

EBWOP

BTW, Battle Mage, even if I am

the Admiral

, and you lynch me, you can still win. So, if I were a Jester, I would come forward at this moment and say I am a Jester. Lynching Jester right now gives Town the best possible chance of getting the scum.

We are, currently on a LyLo unless we lynch the Jester. If we fail to lynch the scum, or the Jester right now, and the Scum does not NK the jester, then we go into the next day with:

1 Scum
1 Jester
1 Townie.

At that time, the Jester can claim, the scum can lynch him, and he can win the game. But, the game still continues, and the scum can endgame the townie, thus giving victory to the Scum and the Jester.

So, whatever we do, we have to hit either the Scum or the Jester today. However, after my yesterday's work, I don't think I have any right to suspect anyone at the moment...

I mean

Jester

not Admiral.

[Sir Tornado]

Deadline Looming

I don't want to be deadlined off if no one else is willing to vote for me!

Unvote

[Sir Tornado]

Vote YogurtBandit

He is either the Jester or the Scum. Either ways, I am happy to vote for him. Even if he ends up as jester, I would rather take the second place than allow the scum and the Jester to both go to day 4 and essentially doom the town to defeat.

[Sir Tornado]

You mean you aren't scum or jester?

It's game over then. Please role claim.

[Sir Tornado]

On second thoughts, it isn't over. The scum should hit the Jester tonight if he wants to win.

[Sir Tornado]

Can you give a reason for that vote YB?

[Sir Tornado]

Ok, this sucks big time.

WTF should I hammer! Come on guys, DISCUSS something to help me and help the town. At least one of you should.

[Sir Tornado]

I think YB has a lot of explaining to do. Every action he has done so far is without any sort of explanation, while BM has provided explanation for most of his actions in this game. That is why I am inclined to hammer YB at the moment. But, I am not ready to do it yet, so YB, if you are town this would be the time to start providing explanations for your behaviour in this game.

[Sir Tornado]

BM, I understand what you are saying. But, we are currently at LyLo and I would like to give YB at least a day to say whatever he wants to say.

YB: If you are town then please post an explanation soon.

[Sir Tornado]

That was an explanation?

I've had enough of this.

Vote: YogurtBandit

And I know I probably just lost the game. But I really can't help it when YB just says "BM is scum" in response to a paragraph by BM which i tend to agree with.

[Sir Tornado]

Dumbasses.

I take it that you know that BM is scum...?

[Sir Tornado]

Damn! I had a sick feeling that I'd chosen wrong (hence the

"And I know I probably just lost the game."

part in my hammer vote)

I wish YB'd said something in his defence though. How did he hope to convince me BM was scum by just saying

"Bm is scum"

?

But, I admit, I messed this game up for the town on day 3...

[Sir Tornado]

Yeah- at the point I self-voted, I'd gotten frustrated and lost my cool, plus I was convinced that Tornado was scum and would waffle on voting himself.

Well, I proved you wrong, eventually on both the counts. 8)

But I'd rather have won the game...