Open 25 - Jester Mafia (Jester Wins/Mafia 2nd) - before 462

[Battle Mage]

i think Jdodge needs killing

Vote: Jdodge

[Battle Mage]

Gorc is the jester. Let's assume this until someone else becomes more Jester-like.

Vote: Sir Tornado

thats BS. Protecting your scumbuddy are you?

Unvote, Vote: Lawrencelot

[Battle Mage]

wha? why are we quick-lynching someone who's only post is a random vote?

[Battle Mage]

Oh, SirTornado has been at lynch-1 lol. Didn't even notice.

FOS: yoghurt

thats BS. Protecting your scumbuddy are you?
Unvote, Vote: Lawrencelot

Ok, then let's not assume he's a jester. Let's assume I am the jester. Oh, but that sounds scummy!

Vote: Lawrencelot

i dont like that atall. You immediately assume that a guy who self-votes is a jester. Then, you change tack completely and claim that YOU are the Jester.
Im strongly inclined to believe you are scum at this point. Especially in light of my belief that Sir Tornado is innocent townie (based on his fast wagon, and half-hearted comment about the jester).

currently i could envisage 2 scum out of the following: Lawrencelot, YB, Gorckat.

the problem with this game is, we have an actual jester, and 2 scumbags trying to appear like jesters (to avoid getting lynched). Its going to be hard to differentiate between them i think, but im pretty confident that Lawrencelot isnt a Jester, thus is a sound play for today.

BM

[Battle Mage]

unvote

i dont like that. you join a wagon, and then as soon as someone else hops on, you leave without a word.
I find myself substantially in agreement with Sir Tornado about the scum.

If Lawrencelot comes up scum, im almost certain that Gorckat is his scumbuddy.
If Lawrencelot comes up town, id say Pickemgenius is more likely to be scum.

Thadmiral looks either super-scummy, or super-noobish. Id say the latter is more likely at this point. He's not the play for today at least.

BM

[Battle Mage]

its this sort of comment that make me certain that Lawrence and you are scumbuddies. I mean, he claims that you are probably Jester, and should be left alone. Then you say the EXACT SAME THING ABOUT HIM.
The way i see it, scum are obviously going to pretend to be a jester so they dont get lynched.
the REAL jester, is not going to make it obvious that he is jester, because then he wont get lynched. YB is giving off strong jester vibes, but again, who would do that? certainly not a half decent townie or Jester.

Im happy with Lawrence or Gorckat as the play today. we can look at YB later on.

BM

I do agree that Yogurt and Lawrence are the best for scum/jester.

I disagreee, however, that I am either.

Sir Tornado's choice of Lawrence for an OMGUS vote intrigues me...the vote order was:

Weyouns Last Chance (hereafter known to me as WLC)
Qman (OMGUS as Sir's random target)
pick (with playful paranoia over a bandwagon)
Lawrence (calling me the jester)
Yogurt (with no comment)

[Battle Mage]

lol did i say i was agreeing with you because of your good logic? No.
Im simply pointing out that your suspicions match mine surprisingly well.

@WYLC-how do you suppose i am 'removing all suspicion from myself', when nobody has offered ANY suspicion of me in the first place?

unvote

i dont like that. you join a wagon, and then as soon as someone else hops on, you leave without a word.
I find myself substantially in agreement with Sir Tornado about the scum.

If Lawrencelot comes up scum, im almost certain that Gorckat is his scumbuddy.
If Lawrencelot comes up town, id say Pickemgenius is more likely to be scum.

Thadmiral looks either super-scummy, or super-noobish. Id say the latter is more likely at this point. He's not the play for today at least.

BM

I am deeply suspicious of anyone who's agreeing with me early on in the game, especially when I haven't given enough solid reasons for stating whatever they are agreeing with me about. This sort of behaviour is, IMO a scum tactic -- where the scum tries to associate himself/herself with a townie early on in the game.

So,

IGMEOY Battlemage

Sir Tornado's choice of Lawrence for an OMGUS vote intrigues me...the vote order was:

Weyouns Last Chance (hereafter known to me as WLC)
Qman (OMGUS as Sir's random target)
pick (with playful paranoia over a bandwagon)
Lawrence (calling me the jester)
Yogurt (with no comment)

WeyounsLastChance clearly had a random vote.
Qman's OMGUS, I can accept
pickemgenius was too blatant about his joining the bandwagon that I knew it was not a serious vote.

The next in line was Lawrencelot. I combined my OMGUS sentiment to the fact that he acted scummy the next two posts (called you a jester, voted for self) and cumulated that with a vote on him.

[Battle Mage]

lol almost Jdodge. the only difference is, when

I

get lynched, i dont win automatically. :p

[Battle Mage]

had you unvoted, that would've been -1.
claim please Lawrence.

[Battle Mage]

a sound plan, except for the fact that now you have said it, if he is town, the scum might choose not to NK him, in the knowledge that we will lynch him tomorrow.
ooi, if the Jester meets his win-condition, does the game continue, or does everyone else lose?

[Battle Mage]

hmm, in that case, your plan should work!

Unvote

the problem is, now all the scum can try the same policy and get away with it. Im also wary of trusting you, in light of my previous suspicions of you being scum with Lawrence, combined with this further attempt to save him.
still, we got plenty of time i suppose.

Vote: YB

[Battle Mage]

lol triple posting is nothing to be proud of.

but srsly, im not sure about a No-Lynch. to some extent it makes sense as we dont want to hit the Jester and lose on Day 1, but there again, im fairly confident that YB isnt the Jester. i mean, the real jester wouldnt make it so obvious surely???

[Battle Mage]

hmm, i guess you've got a point.

Unvote, Vote: No Lynch

[Battle Mage]

EVERYONE. LIES.

Do I need to bold it, print it out and mail it to you for you to understand that?

I could EASILY see it as a gambit.

you think a townie pretending to be jester or scum is a gambit?
im not seeing the logic of that...

maybe Gorckat is buying time for his scumbuddy, but his logic makes sense. we can afford to No Lynch today, in order to get some confirmation tomorrow.

BM

[Battle Mage]

what by claiming scum? lol

[Battle Mage]

JDodge:

Why would a Townie false claim? What is the logic behind it?

^This. I didnt read the game, but i have read your posts, and i dont really understand. It would be very helpful if you could simply explain the example you have given in a few sentences.

[Battle Mage]

i expect it would be specified.

[Battle Mage]

Oh lol, I'm the only one voting for myself.

Unvote

I'm not sure if gorckat is scum. But I don't understand why he votes for no lynch, and BM too. I have never seen a no-lynch on D1. I'm not 100% sure about gorckat, but I think it's worth a vote.

Vote: gorckat

FOS: Battle Mage

belated bussing perchance?

[Battle Mage]

a Jester who wants to go No-Lynch?
thats plain stupid. lol

[Battle Mage]

Yes, and you didn't get hammered. So maybe your scummate already placed his vote to avoid being connected to you. If all the people voting for you were townies, the scum could've easily killed you by lynching.

I really don't see Lawrence being the Jester, because drawing attention to yourself with the claim he did is a bad idea. But I also don't see what gain Lawrence has by claiming he's Jester/Scum if he were a townie (except for that he felt he was going to be lynched day 1, and now he could postpone it to day 2).

Of course, drawing attention to myself is a bad idea if I'm a Jester. So are you saying I'm scum? Scum also don't draw attention to themselves. So, what am I? You won't find out until I'm lynched, or someone else claims scum or jester.

thats ridiculous. you know as well as i do, no-one is going to claim either of those things.

[Battle Mage]

No one vote No Lynch! We must Lynch someone so we can win!:P

YB, what the hell is up with your play?

IGMEOY

[Battle Mage]

im no longer sure. Whilst i did find him scummy earlier, his reasoning makes some sense. I'd still rather go No Lynch today.

[Battle Mage]

I presume you won't tell us who sent this PM?

Does it matter? I was going to ask myself but was beat to it.

YB is my bet for Jester is Lawrence lives through the night.

Sir Tornado strikes me as his most likely scum-buddy.

Um, Im not Jester.

no, i think he's prob scum.

[Battle Mage]

thats not taking into account your really odd behaviour.

[Battle Mage]

Jdodge, why dont you think he is scum?
oh and good point about the jester thing. Gorckat was lying about being able to hammer himself-he was at L-2.

[Battle Mage]

hmm, what a coincidence eh?

[Battle Mage]

1) Why did you no lynch?

2) Are the reasons you no-lynched yesterday valid today too?

3) If they are, then what was the point in no-lynching yesterday?

This is precisely the reason why I hate no-lynches

1. despite him looking scummy, Gorckats logic made some sense. I had thought that the scum would be trying to NK the Jester, however the kill choice strikes me as a little odd. I dont think Pickem would have been my top candidate for being a Jester. That throws some suspicion on the more probable candidates like Lawrence and YB...

2. No. The whole logic behind No Lynching, was to see if the scum killed Lawrence. I think its pretty likely that, as they haven't they don't think he is the Jester, and is thus very likely scum.

3. The point was, we didn't lose a player unnecessarily, and we seem to have confirmed our lynch for today.

I'm pretty happy with a

Vote: Lawrencelot

Oh and dont think this means i trust you Gorckat. I still feel your interactions could indicate heavy bussing...

BM

[Battle Mage]

Now, if I'm scum, what do I gain by laying out exactly how who my partner is? I'd offered myself for lynch yesterday; what if I

had

been lynched? Lawrence lives and he gets lynched. Scum lose...whoops!

There's no way Lawrence and I are partners.

thats poor logic. Assuming you had been lynched and come up scum yesterday, it would have been because people didn't buy your strategy. In you coming up scum, Lawrence would have looked town, in the way that you set him up for a lynch.
Even if you hadn't been lynched, your plan served to allow Lawrence to live a little longer. Don't get me wrong, i think your plan was probably the right one, but it doesn't confirm you as town.
It also made you look better should Lawrence come up scum.

Most players can see through obvious distancing.

BM

[Battle Mage]

I'm not convinced that Gorckat is necessarily the play today. As far as i am concerned, he is primarily scummy by association.
On the other hand, he has (at last) proven that he is not the Jester.
I'm not entirely sure.
BM

[Battle Mage]

Unvote, Vote LL

HoS: YB

If Lawrence comes up scum, this looks like a belated attempt to bus.

[Battle Mage]

I think YB is the jester.

no, i seriously doubt it. I mean, no Jester would act that obvious. Also, if he wasnt scum, i expect he'd have already been NKed.

the action of Thadmiral is pretty dependant on the affiliation of Lawrence.
Should Lawrence come up town, its pretty unlikely that ThAdmiral is scum, as he wouldnt want to associate himself with a mislynch. On the other hand, assuming we are right, and Lawrence is scum, ThAdmiral, like Yogurt, could be a belated busser.

[Battle Mage]

unlikely, because if scum had any sense, they would be trying to hit the person they think is Jester...

[Battle Mage]

NB: Just to be clear, even if the Jester fulfills his win condition, the game will continue to determine second place.

ah cool. shouldnt today be over though?

[Battle Mage]

WHAT.
THE.
F**K!?

What the hell just happened? You lynched Gorckat in like 12 hours. I mean, dont get me wrong, i'd have probably voted for him aswell, but even so, quick-lynching to that extent was just mad!
Whatever we decide to do today, let's take our time, and make sure everybody gets their views down, especially ME. lol

I need to reread before making my decision, but i'm not liking Thadmiral's unexplained hammer yesterday..

BM

[Battle Mage]

No, I am not the Jester.

well you wouldn't admit it would you.

[Battle Mage]

No, I am not the Jester.

well you wouldn't admit it would you.

So, how do I convince you I am not the Jester?

well a good start would be to stop self-voting, and help us find the last scumbag....

[Battle Mage]

thats a good point, however the fact is, if we kill the Jester today, at BEST we get a shared victory. At worst, the Jester AND scum both win. Similarly, if the scum dont NK the Jester, that is also the best they can hope for.

BTW, Battle Mage, even if I am the Admiral, and you lynch me, you can still win. So, if I were a Jester, I would come forward at this moment and say I am a Jester. Lynching Jester right now gives Town the best possible chance of getting the scum.

We are, currently on a LyLo unless we lynch the Jester. If we fail to lynch the scum, or the Jester right now, and the Scum does not NK the jester, then we go into the next day with:

1 Scum
1 Jester
1 Townie.

At that time, the Jester can claim, the scum can lynch him, and he can win the game. But, the game still continues, and the scum can endgame the townie, thus giving victory to the Scum and the Jester.

So, whatever we do, we have to hit either the Scum or the Jester today. However, after my yesterday's work, I don't think I have any right to suspect anyone at the moment...

[Battle Mage]

lol i KNOW. That's the sole reason i joined this game. unfortunately it wasn't to be, but the game itself has been interesting, and worth participating in.

[Battle Mage]

i think Thadmiral is a better play.

Vote: Thadmiral

[Battle Mage]

Vote YogurtBandit

He is either the Jester or the Scum. Either ways, I am happy to vote for him. Even if he ends up as jester, I would rather take the second place than allow the scum and the Jester to both go to day 4 and essentially doom the town to defeat.

I see what you are saying, but really i take strong aversion to the concept of ALLOWING a probable Jester to win so easily. I'd rather try and hit the last scumbag today. There is enough scummy behaviour around for us to go on. I'd even credit the scum with more sense than to let the Jester live till tomorrow and force them into taking 2nd place.

my vote stands as i strongly feel that Thadmiral is scum.

BM

[Battle Mage]

i think that was the right decision.

[Battle Mage]

On second thoughts, it isn't over. The scum should hit the Jester tonight if he wants to win.

EXACTLY.

[Battle Mage]

wow. I'm pretty surprised that Thadmiral was Jester, but on the other hand, it isn't all bad, as we have 1 more shot at killing the last scumbag.

As it stands, i'm leaning pretty strongly towards YB being scum. I simply can't understand his actions if he were town. It seems he has breadcrumbed Jester throughout the game, which really, like with Lawrence, leaves only 2 options: Jester or Mafia.

On the other hand, Sir Tornado was also guilty of self-voting, which might have been an attempt to breadcrumb Jester aswell (although to be fair, he did offer a reason). Equally strange is that he got ThAdmiral confused with 'The Jester'. Pretty ironic, but again, not really a case for him being scum.

The problem here is, and one i have encountered before, i'm at LyLo with 1 person who has looked scummy from the beginning, and 1 person who hasn't really done anything scummy by comparison. Last time i was in this situation, i went with my head and lynched the scummy looking person, and guess what? we lost the game.

So, i'm not going to vote at this point. I will however

HoS: YB

.
You now have an opportunity to explain your play throughout the game, if you are town.

BM

[Battle Mage]

hmm i think your reluctance to even bother defending yourself confirms my suspicions. The lack of hammer by Sir Tornado strongly indicates further that he is not scum.

Vote: YB

[Battle Mage]

dude, i've given YB the opportunity to explain himself, and instead he chooses to OMGUS vote. It seems pretty obvious from where i'm sitting. He has been breadcrumbing Jester from the beginning (just like his buddy Lawrence). Now the Jester is outted, he's got absolutely no reasonable explanation for his actions.
He's bandwagonned relentlessly in this game. Does that seem like something a half-decent townie would do?
Upon reflection, we probably should have realised that he was scum, when he made post 290, in which he tries to ascertain who the real Jester is.

From where i'm sitting, the decision is pretty obvious. Read my play, and read YB's.

ffs let us at least get 2nd place out of this...

BM

[Battle Mage]

yeh sorry Sir Tornado. I am scum. I feel pretty bad about decieving you. On the other hand, i genuinely think you did the right thing. If i'd been town, and you'd lynched me after YB acted to scummy, i'd be FURIOUS. He was literally asking to be lynched. So in other words, i don't blame you for hammering him-his total scumminess served to cover up any minor errors i had made.

the sad thing was, i don't think there was ANY case for me being scum. I was instrumental in the lynch of Lawrencelot, and i hadn't been on the BW of any townies since. I hadn't selfvoted, or breadcrumbed Jester. In my opinion, i played the perfect townie. My only concern was that you would follow my advice at the end:

"follow your heart, not you head." Had you ignored all logic, you probably would have realised that my play had been a little TOO clean. See, even as scum i give good advice.

But seriously, i really don't know what YB was thinking. At the beginning of the game, i genuinely thought he wasn't Jester. I figured that a Jester wouldn't be so damn obvious. On the other hand, it was really hard to see him as a townie because he was deliberately misleading everyone (including the scum). By Day 3 i had concluded that he probably was the Jester, but he just wasn't playing the part very well. Regardless, i'd decided to keep him around, because, not only was he an easy lynch, but i realised that keeping the Jester around till endgame saved me a mislynch.

By Day 4, Sir Tornado had caught onto this, and i was concerned that we might end up killing YB (Jester) deliberately, which would leave me with a tough final day. Hence i pushed pretty hard for a Thadmiral lynch, as i was pretty sure that the Jester was either YB, or Tornado himself. i was really shocked when he came up Jester.
Credit to Thadmiral, he played an awesome game. The last NK choice was tough. I had previously planned to lynch Admiral, NK QMan, and have an endgame with a Jester, and a townie (Tornado and YB). However with no Jester, that sorta changed things. I did consider killing Tornado instead, seeing as QMan had been following my lead at the end of the day, and i thought perhaps he might be easier to lead around. In the end i decided to stick with killing him, because i felt there was a reasonable case on both Sir Tornado, and YB, and i could hopefully convince them to lynch each other.

YB's vote on me was a surprise. Had he explained it, i might have been worried, but i figured Tornado would see through it as OMGUS.

Anyway, from the start, i didn't actually intend to bus Lawrence as much as i did. I sent him a pm on Night 0, but he didn't reply, and i was a bit miffed, so i pressured him a bit. Unfortunately he didnt defend himself too well, but he did succeed in tying himself to Gorckat. Gorckats stratrgy was actually a good one. It was a shame to not lynch him on Day 1, but you guys made up for it later.
I wanted to kill Jdodge on Night 1, mainly because he knows my playstyle too well, and i knew if he was allowed to survive for too long, he'd rip us apart. However Lawrence didn't want to, and the only target we agreed on was Pickem. Basically the intention throughout was to remove strong players at night, and lynch easy targets during the day. Day 2 was interesting, as we had 2 wagons, one on Lawrence, and one on somebody else (Gorckat?). At one point Gorckat was at L-1, and i could have hammered, but i missed the boat, and Lawrence died. Killed Jdodge that night because he was still a big threat.

Day 3 was awesome. The town seemed to get lynch happy, and Gorckat was killed before i got a chance to even view the thread. lol
Killed WLC because, of the remaining players, he was one that i thought was looking the most protownish.

and thats pretty much it. fyi, when i signed up for this game, i only really wanted to play if i got to be the Jester. however when i realised i was scum, with an experienced buddy, i figured it'd be fun anyway.
The game itself was awesome, in fact, its probably the only game which i've enjoyed throughout. It didn't drag, had great players, and the setup was fun. Credit to Romanus for good modding!

also, cheers to Lawrence, for letting me bus him. The model scumbuddy! It was a pleasure playing with you.

*high-fives*

BM

[Battle Mage]

Yay, my plan worked, although we're still second: I tried to pretend that I was the Jester, while BM would act like a normal scum/ like a townie. Since he didn't pretend that I was the Jester, no one would guess that he was scum with me when I got lynched. Good job BM, but too bad Jester is 1st.

i don't think it was realistic to hope for any better. I'd rather secure 2nd place, than risk total defeat. Had we been at endgame with 1 scum, 1 Jester, and 1 townie, i felt i could manipulate the townie into self-voting, and we could secure solo-victory.

@Jdodge-its always obvious when the roles are revealed.

[Battle Mage]

Damn! I had a sick feeling that I'd chosen wrong (hence the

"And I know I probably just lost the game."

part in my hammer vote)

I wish YB'd said something in his defence though. How did he hope to convince me BM was scum by just saying

"Bm is scum"

?

But, I admit, I messed this game up for the town on day 3...

BM is scum. But since nobody ever lynches BM because they just assume he's acting normally, he should never be allowed to live into an endgame situation.

lol yeh. if i'm alive at endgame, start getting worried. :p

[Battle Mage]

see, now do you understand why you had to die? lol