Mini 462: Just another game of Mafia... over

[PJ.]

stop talking. Day has Not started.

[PJ.]

woohoo, bandwagoning peoples? Lets quick lynch roland.

[PJ.]

[quote="Nekka-Lucifer"]
I've got suspicions on 3 players; names I will not say for the moment unless they start acting abit more town.
[\quote]

Okay, I understand you are new, but you shouldn't do this. You shouldn't say your suspicious and then not name those who you are suspicious of. Be straight forward with your suspicions. Plus if you are townie, you generally shouldn't be witholding information(exceptions for power roles).

P.S please don't claim cop or doc at this moment.


P.S.S I would like to OMGUS

Vote:Roland

for voting me and quoting my pre-game joke.

[PJ.]

It's not an argument, it's a suggestion. And you don't tell someone to "correct" their scumtells. You tell them they are scummy and to explain why they have taken that course of action or that route of logic.

[PJ.]

This is Nekka's second or third game.

Nekka did you get the reactions you wanted? Who did you get them from? Any new suspicions?

[PJ.]

Game has been open 2 days.

FOS people lurker hunting

[PJ.]

FoS:HandBanana

No discussion in a mafia game is ever dead. We simply move on. One can always ask questions and re-discuss the conversation to further understand or prove a point. Your offense to this a very scummy, especially because you are an aggressive player. Generally aggressive players never throw anything out because they want as much ammo as possible.

FoS Tarhilindur

for not pointing the above out. You should never accept, "that discussion is over" as an answer. I'm mulling over the idea that you and hand banana are distancing each other, because you seem to be appearing to attack rather then actually making an point.

Nekka, post something useful.

[PJ.]

No. Posting game related things is worth making a point. Not a funny thing the mod did that most people aleady caught.

[PJ.]

If you can quote where I lurker hunted I will lynch myself.

I know nekka is trying out new strategy's he is a new player.

And there were people who were lurker hunting and their were people asking for prods. Exactly their was not new discussion. And it was Hand Banana and Tarhildur. Falcone said nekka far too many times for me to comprehend that statement fully.

[PJ.]

Falcone never said they were right. He said they were fair. Falcone hasn't posted enough for me to get a good assessment on him.

Only reason to lurker hunt 2 days into a game is because you are scum trying to look like useful townies.

Vote:Khelvaster

because i forgot he was the one who lurker hunted and then he was a hypocrite.

[PJ.]

First off, if he is gonna play this, I'm gonna name people and they need to claim game and reveal power roles I want to be more certain then Hand Banana is vig. On top of that if he is gonna go around having power roles claim and such I'd rather have the vig lynched, because that is a terrible strategy. Might as well mas claim and see where that gets us. I'm 100% against this strategy regardless of the townness.

AlSleet, please tell me how I have been Inconsistent. I have been logical and aggressive the entire game. This is twice you have said something false about me. Why are you slandering me?

FoS:AlSleet

[PJ.]

HANDBANANA was the one who suggested he name people. I said mass claim because I figured you'd get the sarcasm because I was going on about how terrible the idea was. I think the claim is bullshit, and uncounterclaimed or not, it doesn't matter. Not every town has a vig especially in Normal mini's. Did you miss the part where I said "I am 100% AGAINST this strategy." I also said if he wants to go around and out power roles. I'd rather have him lynched because Cop/Doc are far more important then vig. Winning with out a vig is easy; winning without a cop or doc is far harder.

[PJ.]

EDWOP:

FoS: Tarhilindur

for actually reading my post and then saying that I am confirmed scum.

[PJ.]

HandBanana, that is if we believe the claim.

[PJ.]

Alright, fine. Out of curiosity, who would you name?

[PJ.]

How are we supposed to be certain that you are actually a vig and not a mafia goon that is role fishing?

[PJ.]

It felt like you were calling me confirmed scum.

[PJ.]

Because I read what you wrote but it registered as you are confirmed scum.

[PJ.]

I'm still curious who he would want to claim.

[PJ.]

I was telling people they were acting suspicious. Consistently telling them they were suspicious. I still don't see and inconsistency. Is there any particular reason why you have FoSed me twice because of things both of us have proved to be not true?

[PJ.]

Well why would a protown player claim -5 from lynch

[PJ.]

Alright, so since you seem keen on naming people for a claim, who did you want to name?

[PJ.]

You're correct he did and he is amending it. I'm still not a fan of when he claimed, his thinking, his FoS me for being critical of his thinking, or his claim. If he wanted to come out and claim why did he wait so long. He seemed he was unsure and decided to gambit thinking his claim would be accepted and no one would give him questions, or he really did want to come out deceided to try to play it safe got flak and then said screw it i'll claim halfway through making it awkward. Either way I am getting very bad vibes from it, and am wishing he had a name to drop rather then that crap about no finding anyone suspicious enough to say he was gonna kill them. His little idea about saying I'll shoot them if they don't claim realy rubs me the wrong way. For now, I'm gonna risk being wrong about his role and

Vote:HandBanana

[PJ.]

I dare you.

[PJ.]

Ebwop: I thought of somethings after I dared you. Anyway this is an example of what others were saying were bad about your strategy. You outting pro-town players because you are not familiar enough with Mafiascum or Internet Mafia and don't possess amazing scum hunting ability. I will not be claiming until we get close to a non-handbanana lynch or am being pressurized.

[PJ.]

Supported Nekka's view? I never supported anything. I have brought plenty to the table against you, none of which that you have addressed. If anything it is Nekka who is supporting my views. I think you are SK. And Khelvaster, two kills does not mean shit if he is an SK. And I know we shouldn't go SK hunting but when he falls into your lap it is hard to say oh let's have him kill some people first. No, kill him.

Mod:

It has been far enough in the game where we need prods on AC, ~N9V~, and Roland. Replacements even. I know N9V is about ready to go on a trip and am taking over modding for him and probably will be replacing him in my game. Roland is famous for keeping the letter and going on hiatus so i wouldn't be surprised if he needed replacing as well.

[PJ.]

Why are you unsure about me Falcone?

[PJ.]

Khelvaster pay attention. I'm the one attacking Banana, the SK.

Mod:

We nee prods and vote counts.
Please be more active mod.

[PJ.]

Unvote, Vote:Khelvaster

I have a stack of reasons but between not paying attention and being a hypocrite I can stick my vote on him comfortably without having to put all my reasons out there yet.

[PJ.]

He is SK. Look at the way he is playing. He isn't listening to the town but claimed vig and that he was all for the town. Now he is selfish and on a powertrip, which is lynchable when it's a vig cause he becomes a protown Serial Killer. What was the motive behind claiming vig so quick? He took a shot and is uncounterclaimed which totally cleared him in several people eyes, regardless of what he has said. On top of this he wants to kill me who has been probably the most active at trying to catch scum, among other things. If he is a vig, he is a detriment and should be dealt with. If he is an SK, he is again a detriment and should be dealt with.

[PJ.]

wait you can't say majority of the town then exclude a third of the town.

[PJ.]

Okay so you, Jenter, 3 people that arn't playing, elias, Khelvaster, and Alsleet?

That list is hardly liable influence, with the exception of AlSleet. You left out all the influential and pro-town players. For real, what pro-town player excludes people from the list not knowing there alignment? On top of that you have quite possibly the most scummy player on you lister of pro town players and you also have a guy you said didn't read and should pay more attention. Not to mention 3 people who haven't posted anything really. What value do you see in excluding the 4 most active players(I'm assuming that I am excluded).

[PJ.]

welcome to the show AC. About time buddy.

He doesn't pay attention. He hunts lurkers then contradicts himself. He votes someone who is the exact oppisite of what he said. He follows what everybody else says. Doesn't come up with anything original and tries to jump wagons, albeit unsuccessful. Khelvaster has done anything at all protown, and HB never mentioned him. He has been too side tracked wanting to kill me he hasn't mentioned it. Why is this? Maybe because I have him fingered?

[PJ.]

Wait, If he is scum wouldn't that clear me too? I was the second on the wagon and the one who drew attention to him with the lurker hunting comment.

[PJ.]

Where the hell are the vote counts in this friggin game? Mod wake up.

[PJ.]

EBWOP: I don't like that claim. If you don't full claim you'll probably die today. I'm not a fan of the whole "I have a power role" If you claim power role you are still going to die. Only reason to say that is your a vanilla that is pulling a stupid gambit or a scum that is pulling a slightly less stupid gambit.

[PJ.]

I'll go into why breadcrumbing is good play at a later date but for now my above argument is sufficient.

[PJ.]

*isn't good play rather. Breadcrumbing is bad play.

[PJ.]

No, Breadcrumbing is always bad, unless it's masons. The only time I support it is for masons. If you breadcrumb as almost any other power role, scum can pick up on it and you get gunned.

[PJ.]

Why not? He is all ready dead, and whay if he is lying, which I get the strong impression of. More so then HB's claim. A lot more so. If he claims fully he could be full of shit and if he doesn't then he is already going to die. Only reason to to reveal is if he is A Vanilla gambiting or B. Scum gambiting.

[PJ.]

*High Five* to HandBanaa

And I'm getting a Doc vibe from the first post and a Cop vibe from the second. And I'm with HB, your sounding more and more full of shit.

[PJ.]

I'm still not sure about his claim. I'm still more willing to accept that he is the SK, not the vig. He has mad a few town posts. Last antitown thing that jumped out at me was that doesn't want to vote for someone he believes is scummy because other people that he feels are scummy are voting for him. Because he could and probably is wrong about some that only he thinks are not protown. The town as a collective is more likely to not be wrong as a collective. I also didn't like his excluding of "scummy people" in his NK candidate. I still think his plan is bad and shouldn't be implemented.

I'm willing to give HB a chance due to Khelvaster being scum.

[PJ.]

HandBanana, I'm sure because of how many games I have played and my experiance with these situations. When people act like this I become pretty sure they are scum because of the percentage of time a person that does this is scum and the motivation behind the action. What reason does he have to claim I'm a power role but I bread crumbed. Guess my role. The only reason is either we nod like stupid townies and say ok and no one counterclaims because there is nothing to counterclaim. Or we pick up on the so called breadcrumbing figure out his role, someone counterclaims and we lynch khelv and have 2 outted powerroles. On top of those two options even if he claimed full either you or him are gonna die because there is no possible fucking way we have 2 docs. So why play all the games? He is probably gonna get lynched for claiming terribly(btw the timing was bad as well) or NKed for being a pwer role. I seriously doubt he is a power role, and fake claiming a power role is scummy.

[PJ.]

Mnowax, You missed a vote. Khelvaster is voting me.

Mod edit: I have updated it in the vote count sorry.

[PJ.]

Our Mod's activityy has been less then that, and as long as that one time a week is good, I don't see the problem with that. But i would expect content if your only posting once a week.

[PJ.]

I confirm that I didn't catch any thing that would shoot to one specific role.

[PJ.]

IS he subclaiming vig?

[PJ.]

Bullshit, Khelv. I'm cop. I am on the Falcone, he is full of shit and put it there cause he was in trouble bandwagon.

[PJ.]

Yes I did. I responded to HB's claim to vigging me with an "I Dare you" knowing he would be fucked in the butt if he shot me. I have also actually been trying to hunt scum, unlike you who has done nothing but hope on bandwagons and play like the scum you are. Crumbing does not clear you especially when you claim 160 post or so into the game. Anyone can spell cop in a d post and then claim "I'm the really cop because I crumbed." The fact that you have experienced someone who crumbed as the real cop gives me more of a feel you crumbed because you were in trouble then if you weren't. You are scum.

[PJ.]

First off, The reason I belive HB is the SK and not the vig. I have never experianced an SK that didn't claim Vig. Because Vig is rarer then SK and SK gets to kill while saying it's "for the good of the town." That couple with previously mentioned reasons is why I believe he isn't town.

On Khelv saying I should wait until tonight so we can proove his "vigness," Two kills DOES NOT clear HB as vig. He can make a kill as Sk as well. And it One kill doesn't prove he isn't either role because of the possibility of a Mafia RB.

On Khelv saying that we shouldn't lynch someone uncounterclaimed, I forgot which newbie it was but Vitamin R claimed cop and there was no Cop. He ended up winning the game with TCS who claimed Doc weas counterclaimed but TCS got cleared by VitR. So if there is no vig there is no counterclaim, so should we real buy his claim purely on no counterclaim?

It is not meaningless to dare some one to vig you when you are the cop. If he killed me, his ass would be lynched faster then it takes Khel to rub one out(about 30 seconds).

The is plenty of reason not to believe his claim. You don't care because you'll be NKing him tonight. I have explained it and will explain it again later. For now I will rest then get on Falcone's argument.

[PJ.]

Well, I know I was against this and am ALWAYS against this, but in light of things, I have a good idea. Mass claim. It'll help the town at this point.

Note: I will be complaining about the set up after the game.

[PJ.]

Don't direct the cop.

[PJ.]

Panzer has been in LA and work. I sent in my Night choice the day mod MKed Nekka.

Elias is scum.

[PJ.]

You forgot about Sanity issues. This town is obviously overpower. There has to be things that are screwy. Best kill is probably N9V. But I'm not sure. I'm investigating AC tonight.

[PJ.]

EBWOP:

Vote:Elias

[PJ.]

Vig AC.

[PJ.]

...This setup was terrible. Far to breakable by Massclaim.

[PJ.]

This setup was terrible regardless of normallty. Bad town play lost this game, despite the decent scum play. 6 masons + Doc + Cop + SK + 3 vanilla scum until the Last scum garbage. Plus Mass claim broke that, town just screwed it up. I believe ACFAN being disposed the entire game won it for scum.