NY 178: MASQUERADE -- GAME OVER

[Scripten]

That

"I think I can deal with the guilt of putting someone at L-8 or so."

is indeed a bit WTF. (I mean, it makes no sense.)

I said that in response to Izar's point that me voting for top wagon was somehow scummy. (Did you notice that, with extra votes on her, Cho wrote a post that was town-feeling enough for me to feel comfortable unvoting her?)

More to come regarding current events when I have time.

[Aegor]

Votecount 1.8

[3]

Aneninen:

T S O, Garmr, Cho
[3]

Cho:

Grayfoxxxx, Goofyd00d, Boonskiies
[2]

Nero Cain:

TobyLoby, hephaestus
[7]

PeregrineV:

Egg, Thor665, Muffin, Aneninen, Scripten, davesaz, Tiershift
[3]

Scripten:

Izariael, PeregrineV, AxleGreaser
[1]

Thor:

goodmorning
[1]

TobyLoby:

Nero Cain

[1]

Not Voting:

Aeronaut

With 21 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline:

(expired on 2014-10-18 22:12:03)

Mod Notes

Aeronus is V/LA until Thursday
GrayFoxxxx is V/LA until Friday

[Thor665]

Is anyone planning to start a counter wagon?
Is anyone planning to help push this wagon into claim range?
Or were we going to talk in circles and wait till about 24 hours till deadline to get our act together and do either in a derp rush that allows scum to better hide motivations?

[Thor665]

[3]

Aneninen:

T S O, Garmr, Cho
[3]

Cho:

Grayfoxxxx, Goofyd00d, Boonskiies
[3]

Scripten:

Izariael, PeregrineV, AxleGreaser

Here are three viable counterwagons.
The people voting these wagons that *don't* think Pere is scum should probably be...y'know, campaigning for votes. Maybe by specifically asking for people to vote their wagon or directly questioning a given player's read on their suspect. Y'know, that crazy stuff Thor did that created the Pere wagon - it's just crazy enough to work!

[2]

Nero Cain:

TobyLoby, hephaestus
[1]

Thor:

goodmorning
[1]

TobyLoby:

Nero Cain

[1]

Not Voting:

Aeronaut

These people are voting dumb useless or blatant 'not a vote on scum and everyone knows it - hello Aeronaut' wagons.
These people are not helping.

They should either think Pere is scummy or townish, or null.
If Null or Towny - are any of the counter wagons remotely on scummy players? Vote them then.
If Scummy - even if he's like your 5th top scumread...well, y'know, support it anyway lackwit, at least get a claim out of him and give yourself more info to consider.
If all four of those wagons are on null reads for you - then you should probably do something to get a town/scum read on those four wagons or make A CRAZY AMOUNT OF NOISE about your top scumread - because otherwise you are terrible town.
If you are scum and don't care which wagon goes through - keep playing as you are, you're doing beautifully.

[goodmorning]

@Goodmorning. What if Thor's right? Remember, during my catchup I found PeregrineV scummy too, even if I can't prove it because Thor's vote came earlier.

Right about what? About Pere being Scum?

What does that have to do with Thor being Scum?

Were you expecting Thor to fuck up bad?

I was expecting something better than "tone" which is basically just a gut read. If you can't come up with more than a "tone" read ( ) from 35 pages, then maybe there's a better place for your vote, hey?

You didn't really answer the question I was implicitly asking, but that's OK.
I can't say that I expected you to.
And no, it's not a gut read. It's a(n admittedly limited) meta read.

If Null or Towny - are any of the counter wagons remotely on scummy players? Vote them then.

You're Scum and all the potential wagons are on Town, is that it?
Did I guess right?

It's OK, you don't have to tell anyone.

[T S O]

temp vla

[Muffin]

And no, it's not a gut read. It's a(n admittedly limited) meta read.

Please link me to games where this meta of "tone difference" is displayed in town vs. scum.

[goodmorning]

You are totally welcome to read the post wherein I linked 2 games.

[Muffin]

You are totally welcome to read the post wherein I linked 2 games.

Hey, thanks for being caustic.

I skimmed your iso and only found #555 which links 4 games, none of which support your assertion that Thor is scum, because he was not a player in any of those.

I'm willing to work with you, but I need you to link me games that support your meta read on Thor. Otherwise your "read" isn't much of one.

[Thor665]

You're Scum and all the potential wagons are on Town, is that it?
Did I guess right?

I would say this sort of thing even if one of them was my scumbuddy, but, sure, if I was scum and they were all town I'd say the same. I'd also say it if I was town and with slightly more regularity depending on how much I thought I could grind town.

That said - your comment does nothing to address the purpose of my commentary nor does it actually suggest it is bad in any ay.
Good job being bad town or meh scum, I suppose.

[Thor665]

Am meta-ing Thor RIGHT NOW. Will conclude what I conclude when I conclude it.

O554 - Town Thor, no whinge
NY169 - Scum Thor (Casso), whinge
^These are the ones I've seen so they're the ones I've started with.

She never linked them, but she did mention them.

@Muffin

[goodmorning]

So we're ALL the assholes here. HOORAYYYYYy

[Muffin]

k thx

[AxleGreaser]

You got your day of grace, Aneninen, it's gone.

Unvote
Vote: Aneninen

TSO can you walk me through where this vote comes from. I cant find it.

Spoiler: Yep you dont like his case on you

TSO. What I don't like is here:
304–306 – it's just a feeling but these seemed to be fake.
381

"I don't lurk as scum. Aneninen, Cho, Egg, Thor and Pere have all seen my scumgame when it's working decently. You can ask them."

383

"I really don't agree with anything Aneninen is saying right now."

– soooo, if I posted I knew how you played as scum would you disagree with me? ^_^
400 – whattafukk was that bullshyt? A quote-wall which contains nothing from or about me and asking Thor about me? How does that make sense? (402 – what kind of explanation was that?

"That quote string is me going through the thread convinced I was right - ignore it."

– What did you examine?)

That's trash.

#304 - It's your opinion, you might be entitled to it - but it's wrong.
#381 - What possible problem could you have with this? Are you reading what you're posting?
#383 - What the hell is this meant to mean? I have literally no problem with you talking about the scum game of mine you played in. Is this meant to make me look scummy or something?
#400 - Get this, right? You see that quote string?

Those were the posts I was looking at!

No, really!

Spoiler: earlier you didnt agree with anything he was saying.

I really don't agree with anything Aneninen is saying right now.

I think by inference you have played with him before, does you disagreeing with his reads surprise you even if hes town?

[Aneninen]

That

"I think I can deal with the guilt of putting someone at L-8 or so."

is indeed a bit WTF. (I mean, it makes no sense.)

I said that in response to Izar's point that me voting for top wagon was somehow scummy. (Did you notice that, with extra votes on her, Cho wrote a post that was town-feeling enough for me to feel comfortable unvoting her?)
More to come regarding current events when I have time.

Which one of Cho's posts gave you town vibes?
I'm waiting for that "more to come".

@Goodmorning. What if Thor's right? Remember, during my catchup I found PeregrineV scummy too, even if I can't prove it because Thor's vote came earlier.

Right about what? About Pere being Scum? ¹
What does that have to do with Thor being Scum? ²

(1) Yes
(2) Nothing. Thor's posts in general give me town vibes. However, it's possible that he's bussing or we've got a Multiball. (I saw Thor getting involved in a "1vs1" fight in another game. I voted for the same player as he, but Thor got lynched eventually and he flipped scum. At the end it turned out that the game was a Multiball and I was right about the other player because she was scum in another faction. F-ck that, after Thor's flip I didn't think that there was a scum-vs-scum fight. Had I gone on with my original scumread, we'd have won. I'll remember this story not to make the same mistake again.)

[T S O]

You got your day of grace, Aneninen, it's gone.

Unvote
Vote: Aneninen

TSO can you walk me through where this vote comes from. I cant find it.

Spoiler: Yep you dont like his case on you

TSO. What I don't like is here:
304–306 – it's just a feeling but these seemed to be fake.
381

"I don't lurk as scum. Aneninen, Cho, Egg, Thor and Pere have all seen my scumgame when it's working decently. You can ask them."

383

"I really don't agree with anything Aneninen is saying right now."

– soooo, if I posted I knew how you played as scum would you disagree with me? ^_^
400 – whattafukk was that bullshyt? A quote-wall which contains nothing from or about me and asking Thor about me? How does that make sense? (402 – what kind of explanation was that?

"That quote string is me going through the thread convinced I was right - ignore it."

– What did you examine?)

That's trash.

#304 - It's your opinion, you might be entitled to it - but it's wrong.
#381 - What possible problem could you have with this? Are you reading what you're posting?
#383 - What the hell is this meant to mean? I have literally no problem with you talking about the scum game of mine you played in. Is this meant to make me look scummy or something?
#400 - Get this, right? You see that quote string?

Those were the posts I was looking at!

No, really!

Spoiler: earlier you didnt agree with anything he was saying.

I really don't agree with anything Aneninen is saying right now.

I think by inference you have played with him before, does you disagreeing with his reads surprise you even if hes town?

You've literally got everything there which made him vote-worthy. Randomly accusing me of doing stuff he didn't like, and when I checked it out they made no fucking sense at all. I hadn't really agreed with anything he said so far and that was the final straw for me, really.

[AxleGreaser]

You got your day of grace, Aneninen, it's gone.

Unvote
Vote: Aneninen

TSO can you walk me through where this vote comes from. I cant find it.

Spoiler: Yep you dont like his case on you

TSO. What I don't like is here:
304–306 – it's just a feeling but these seemed to be fake.
381

"I don't lurk as scum. Aneninen, Cho, Egg, Thor and Pere have all seen my scumgame when it's working decently. You can ask them."

383

"I really don't agree with anything Aneninen is saying right now."

– soooo, if I posted I knew how you played as scum would you disagree with me? ^_^
400 – whattafukk was that bullshyt? A quote-wall which contains nothing from or about me and asking Thor about me? How does that make sense? (402 – what kind of explanation was that?

"That quote string is me going through the thread convinced I was right - ignore it."

– What did you examine?)

That's trash.

#304 - It's your opinion, you might be entitled to it - but it's wrong.
#381 - What possible problem could you have with this? Are you reading what you're posting?
#383 - What the hell is this meant to mean? I have literally no problem with you talking about the scum game of mine you played in. Is this meant to make me look scummy or something?
#400 - Get this, right? You see that quote string?

Those were the posts I was looking at!

No, really!

Spoiler: earlier you didnt agree with anything he was saying.

I really don't agree with anything Aneninen is saying right now.

I think by inference you have played with him before, does you disagreeing with his reads surprise you even if hes town?

You've literally got everything there which made him vote-worthy. Randomly accusing me of doing stuff he didn't like, and when I checked it out they made no fucking sense at all. I hadn't really agreed with anything he said so far and that was the final straw for me, really.

does you disagreeing with his reads surprise you even if hes town?

[Garmr]

@Garmr. In theory, everyone can be sorted. In pratice, it's not always that easy for me. In your case, you seem to have a town mindset. However, a town mindset can be mimed by a scum too. Since I don't really get your votes and reads, I'm not sure whether you're town reading the game in an entirely different way or a scum, imitating a town mindset. Your latest post suggests the first possibility, on the other hand.

I don't think you got what I meant but that's just talking about theory and I don't want to clog the chat up.

Talking about not getting things.

@axxle

I don't get what your trying to accomplish with the mediator approach?

[Aneninen]

I

did

get what you meant but that didn't help me sorting you. (And you must admit, the thing you explained can be faked as well.) That'swhy I answered the thing I did.

What's your opinion about Boonskiies now? Because now it's

me

who didn't like his recent posts. (931, 933, 939)

[Garmr]

I

did

get what you meant but that didn't help me sorting you. (And you must admit, the thing you explained can be faked as well.) That'swhy I answered the thing I did.

What's your opinion about Boonskiies now? Because now it's

me

who didn't like his recent posts. (931, 933, 939)

Your better off asking ffery or pirate mollie what I'm talking about because I'm finding difficult explaining explaining it in a way that won't clog up about half a page of this and they introduced me to the concept. But it's not something you fake because even if you did fake it wouldn't change peoples reads for the better people tend to get more suspicious.

anyway

I still don't like boon skies. But tbh I don't understand why scum would reveal they have a role that could confirm multiscum because that would make them more likely to be targeted in the night phase. This has me frustrated because I don't know how to interpret it.

[TierShift]

Prod doge

[Egg]

Prod doge

[TierShift]

Prod doge

[hephaestus]

VOTE: Aneninen

post when I get home~

[goodmorning]

@Goodmorning. What if Thor's right? Remember, during my catchup I found PeregrineV scummy too, even if I can't prove it because Thor's vote came earlier.

Right about what? About Pere being Scum? ¹
What does that have to do with Thor being Scum? ²

(1) Yes
(2) Nothing. Thor's posts in general give me town vibes. However, it's possible that he's bussing or we've got a Multiball. (I saw Thor getting involved in a "1vs1" fight in another game. I voted for the same player as he, but Thor got lynched eventually and he flipped scum. At the end it turned out that the game was a Multiball and I was right about the other player because she was scum in another faction. F-ck that, after Thor's flip I didn't think that there was a scum-vs-scum fight. Had I gone on with my original scumread, we'd have won. I'll remember this story not to make the same mistake again.)

Then why did you ask what you asked? I don't feel Pere as Townish just because I think Thor is Scum.

There must be other factors.