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Post Post #875 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:52 pm

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In post 874, T S O wrote:-I don't feel there's anything even close to a smoking gun/genuine scumtell for PV bar maybe that multiball comment. That's it.

My counter is - what else is needed?

I offer to you the same thought I did to Tier.
Go back. Read the conversation that led up to my multiball comment.
Then ask yourself why someone would take that as a scum comment if they read the conversation.
Then vote Pere.
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Post Post #876 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 12:58 pm

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Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #877 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:00 pm

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Okay, I've re-read it and I agree it makes absolutely no sense.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #878 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:03 pm

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Can you then walk me through why being nonsensical merits this large wagon?

That's the bit I haven't got this whole game.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #879 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:07 pm

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In post 870, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 869, TierShift wrote:Boon, claim your role if it confirms multiball.

no. Do not claim, boon.

Why?

Softclaiming is the worst. He felt his claim was beneficial earlier, so it must be now.
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Post Post #880 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:21 pm

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In post 848, Thor665 wrote:Have you ever played with Pere prior to this? I feel like you must have.

He is not only doing a slow start (which I might buy as town him) but is pairing it with sloppy reads and not really looking over the thread (note how he agreed that...whoever that was, Muffin?, who had earlier brought up multiball was scum after it was pointed out. But if he had actually read and also actually thought that was an issue (as shown by his reaction to me) he would have mentioned it.

If he had openly stated he was skimming/sipping stuff - no worries.
But he didn't, he chose to present like he read.
He was probably lying about that.
Why do you think town Pere would do that?


In post 853, Thor665 wrote:Townperegrine is known *not* to do those things.


Ta. That will be what I need. To then read some of his other games and form my own opinion.

In post 831, Thor665 wrote:
In post 816, AxleGreaser wrote:In order to be convinced PereV is scum, and buy into your ´çase´/wagon I would need to see a continuing pattern of behaviour. I don´t believe your thread discussion with him or the points you have made do that.

What sort of "continuing pattern of behavior" do you expect to get out of an attack on multiball comments?
This seems like a standard that torpedoes many types of scumtells.


I dont expect to get
"continuing pattern of behavior" do you expect to get out of an attack on multiball comments?

(and never said i did)
I do however expect that if PereV got a scum Pm he still has one and thus there should be a continuing pattern of behaviour.

Not seeing that, would suggest to me the former was mix up an aberration or something else.

and no while I have read lots of games of various people, (eg yours and aneninen's first game together, in real time trying to make reads for myself)
I am not familiar with PereV except that he's not a nobody, that unlike other people you referred to earlier mislynching him D1, or vigging him N1, anytime he is town, will IMO hurt town.
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Post Post #881 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:21 pm

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I kinda don't think he softclaimed though.

but ok, lets pretend that Boon claims. What would you learn?
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #882 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:29 pm

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In post 878, T S O wrote:Can you then walk me through why being nonsensical merits this large wagon?

That's the bit I haven't got this whole game.

The point is that he is advancing it as a serious and legit tell.
Was asked to explain it and didn't even defend the tell, but instead got mealy mouthed around it.

Now, feel free to go meta Pere and find me a town game with him both advancing a derp tell *and* not backing it up loudly if called on it as being derp.
That's the case.

In post 880, AxleGreaser wrote:I dont expect to get
"continuing pattern of behavior" do you expect to get out of an attack on multiball comments?

(and never said i did)
I do however expect that if PereV got a scum Pm he still has one and thus there should be a continuing pattern of behaviour.

Not seeing that, would suggest to me the former was mix up an aberration or something else.

Whoosh! Please let you be town in all scum games I ever have on site.

In post 880, AxleGreaser wrote:I am not familiar with PereV except that he's not a nobody, that unlike other people you referred to earlier mislynching him D1, or vigging him N1, anytime he is town, will IMO hurt town.

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Post Post #883 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:35 pm

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That's actually convincing.

God fucking damnit.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #884 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:37 pm

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I'm not going to make my decision here. I don't know what it'll be yet. I do know I strongly believe Aneninen to be scum. I also know that Pere's reaction-response around his Thor-multiball comment did not give me any townvibes.

Blegh. Going to bed.
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Post Post #885 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:38 pm

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You can always wait for Pere to come back, maybe he'll defend it now that I'm selling people on it being scummy that he's not and also that I have multiple people agreeing the initial call of the tell didn't make sense in context - I'll accept a lack of vote as long as you help with addition of pressure via threat of vote.
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Post Post #886 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:40 pm

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I think that I'd need to be willing to actually back up that threat with actual potential intent of vote - and I don't have that right now because I'm so focused on Aneninen and garnering votes for him.

It's 1:40 am - my brain is too fuzzy to start really wrapping its head around the idea of Pere-scum. Tomorrow.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #887 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:43 pm

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Right now, my final thoughts are that I support both wagons if and until I get a satisfactory explanation from Pere - that is, an answer which isn't a) silence or b) semantics.
"i have the sickest grossest feeling that even if it's my lynch today, my townflip still won't lead to a tso lynch, and then he'll find some bullshit way to reason either shooting or lynching gm tomorrow because if there's anyone who can strongarm a mislynch despite his reads or cases being proved wrong time and again it's tso"
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Post Post #888 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 1:54 pm

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In post 882, Thor665 wrote:Whoosh! Please let you be town in all scum games I ever have on site.

given that in 848 you claim such continuing pattern exists I am not sure why you want that, or in what way you suggest what I said is wrong.

I suppose that if you are scum in this one you may just be bragging too early?

but basically not understanding your point except that its clearly intended as put down to assert your authority.

So whoosh indeed.
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Post Post #889 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:39 pm

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Yes, my point was to indicate how bad I thought your concept was.

Basically you're saying 'well, it's scummy...but only if he does it more than once'
A scumtell is either a scumtell or it is not - it doesn't require multiple executions to make it scummy.

And if your statement is, that on Day 1, you need multiple scumtells to make a case - I am fascinated to see what case you manage.
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Post Post #890 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 2:58 pm

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Sorry, smash came out for 3ds. Haven't been home. I'm semi caught up, but I see some talk of me claiming.

My role makes a lot of sense if it's multiball, it doesn't necessarily confirm it. This being said, it's best for me not to claim toDay.
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Post Post #891 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:06 pm

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Votecount 1.7


[1]
Aeronaut:
goodmorning
[3]
Aneninen:
T S O, Garmr, Cho
[3]
Cho:
Grayfoxxxx, Goofyd00d, Boonskiies
[2]
Nero Cain:
TobyLoby, hephaestus
:right: [7]
PeregrineV:
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[3]
Scripten:
Izariael, PeregrineV, AxleGreaser
[1]
TobyLoby:
Nero Cain

[1]
Not Voting:
Aeronaut

With 21 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

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Post Post #892 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:08 pm

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^
is disapoint

In post 2, Aegor wrote:You win when all non-town
factions
have been eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive, or nothing can prevent the same.


I thought the reason you were calling it mb is 'cause the town wincon makes it sound like its mb (though that's just standard boilerplate)

In post 646, Garmr wrote:If it is multiball all you had to do was wait one day and you could of keeped it hidden from scum.

and that kinda made me think he didn't have the same wincon as you.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Post Post #893 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:24 pm

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trading vanity for vanity

Vote: Thor


maybe i'm crazy
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Post Post #894 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:33 pm

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Or emotional.
Or scum.

Fair odds.
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Post Post #896 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:35 pm

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like, i'm not exactly convinced pere's not scum but i find you quite a lot more so
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Post Post #897 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:36 pm

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Wow.
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Post Post #898 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:37 pm

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Wait, so is the case not even connected to my Pere push - like, it's based on non-Pere related stuff?
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Post Post #899 (ISO) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 3:47 pm

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i don't know why you think i'm going to be particularly coherent on this atm
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