Open 570: Making Friends and Enemies (Mafia Wins!)

[beastcharizard]

Vote Count

Goodmorning: ucitron00, Malakittens
davesaz: Huntress
hephaestus: Peabody
Peabody: Shinobi, Josh_B
Metal Sonic: Goodmorning
nopointinactingup: Scripten, Metal Sonic, BlueBloodedToffee, Hephaestus
Malakittens: nopointinactingup

Not voting: davesaz
With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2014-10-04 20:45:00)



Now you can't complain Metal. Also, VC's at the top of pages are the best.

[Malakittens]

Yep and you'll hate that answer too.

I used to be spot on while reading GM in past games. This happened because we were scum buddies and I faced her when she was a SK. There's a tone difference between her scum and her town game. Although lately she's been using similarities in the tones when I did a quick remembrance of a scum game and a recent completed town game, however, the lack of being overly defensive was missing in her town game.

Also she tends to stall a lot while being scum, which she's doing here. She's saying technical difficulties, but is able to post elsewhere.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I happen to agree.

She said she was working on a reads-list a while back, I've been waiting for it.

I didn't know she was posting elsewhere though.

VOTE: GM

[davesaz]

davesaz, question still out there for you: what is your experience level with Mafia? I need to ask you a few things, depending on this.

This is easy to answer with regard to quantity -- dozens of games. 2 complete games on this site.

In terms of quality it's a little trickier because I don't have a strong read on whether that would make me very experienced here or just average.

There are also significant differences, in particular a wider variety of roles used here, and very long deadline times (2 weeks with an immediate hammer on majority) compared to what I'm used to (1-2 days and highest vote total lynched whether it's a majority or not, no quick hammers). I'm also used to games with unlimited private communication, which makes a huge difference in how you play

all

roles, even VT. The adjustment is almost complete.

[goodmorning]

If you consider something like a votecount to be similar to be a real post, then I sure have been posting elsewhere.

My technical difficulties have been resolved. Have restarted working on the reads. Wednesday is my at-school day, so I'm mildly tapped out atm but it should happen by/during tomorrow.

From what I remember of what I had before:
Zeb or whoever is in that slot is Town still, Sonic and npiau are still Scum.
Toffee and Mala lean Town.

[Metal Sonic]

I am happy to have a gm wagon

VOTE: gm

[Metal Sonic]

MS - Are you still town-reading Mala?

And scum-reading GM?

yes and yes. I have static reads. Unless a player has made something that definitively makes me want to reconsider their alignment, they will remain static in my readslist.


So this method is flawed in that there might be scum in my townpile. But it has a 100% rate of catching scum correctly so you're gonna have to trust me on that one

>hence goodmorning should die but *shrugs* she is skilled <

Isn't the 100% rate of catching scum bit a little brash? Don't see how this can be correct if there are scum in the town pile, unless you're trying to claim you never put town in the scum pile.

Yeah the latter

[goodmorning]

Which is why your top (and only) 3 scumreads in your post 905 Suburban Warfare readslist were TOTALLY NOT ALL TOWN OR ANYTHING, NOPE.

And it's not like the majority of your votes in that game were on Town or anything, NUH-UH.

this is totally not a steaming pile of lies and bullshit everyone

fucking totally

[Shinobi]

I haven't really been paying attention to this game much, so consider this somewhat of a prod dodge/catch up post.

BBT vs Mala looks almost exactly like a bog-standard TvT fight: lots of point-by-point analysis being done on each other and lots of passion from both sides. I'd really like you two to stop fighting and to move on to something else, because it looks like you two butt heads every single time you're both in the thread.

I can't even remember where my vote is or why I put it there, so UNVOTE: .

NPAU is scummy for the following reasons: his frequent vote swapping/shoddy reasoning is more in-line with spreading doubt rather than solving the game, but somebody probably already pointed it out.

Someone is going to have to explain the GM wagon to me at some point, and preferably in non-MS terms. Mala's case seems okay but some evidence would be great.

Also, if the people calling me scummy could, like, shut up, that would be great. I'll get more up-to-date at some point.

[Metal Sonic]

Which is why your top (and only) 3 scumreads in your post 905 Suburban Warfare readslist were TOTALLY NOT ALL TOWN OR ANYTHING, NOPE.

And it's not like the majority of your votes in that game were on Town or anything, NUH-UH.

this is totally not a steaming pile of lies and bullshit everyone

fucking totally

The end game one had chamber and shinobi and the only scum I missed was marquis

Besides I played shit that game go find another example

[Metal Sonic]

That *early* game

[davesaz]

MS - Are you still town-reading Mala?

And scum-reading GM?

yes and yes. I have static reads. Unless a player has made something that definitively makes me want to reconsider their alignment, they will remain static in my readslist.


So this method is flawed in that there might be scum in my townpile. But it has a 100% rate of catching scum correctly so you're gonna have to trust me on that one

>hence goodmorning should die but *shrugs* she is skilled <

Isn't the 100% rate of catching scum bit a little brash? Don't see how this can be correct if there are scum in the town pile, unless you're trying to claim you never put town in the scum pile.

Yeah the latter

Are you seriously trying to say that if I do a "find posts by user" with votes, and look at the corresponding flips, that you've

never

voted someone who flipped town?
Is that really what you're trying to say?

[Metal Sonic]

Not 'voted'


That's a grand misrep bro

I'm pretty sure some of my votes in this game landed on many town


How about... 'Pushed strongly'

[Metal Sonic]

'Pushed strongly and resulted in a lynch'

[Metal Sonic]

I'm not gonna argue this point though

The point is lynch gm

[goodmorning]

I'm not the one who's falsely argued 100% efficacious scumlists.

And if you're calling post 900 "early game"... even for a Large, it really isn't.

[Malakittens]

GM

if you are town, indeed town, then do something other than defend yourself from Ms

[davesaz]

If I really wanted to press this, I'd ask how often you vote people without having a scum read on them.
Pushed and lynched is a higher bar. At least saying the people you push a lynch for are usually scum is almost believable. Statistically very unlikely to be "always", but I don't think going the crazed statistician OCD route on you is profitable.

[davesaz]

I happen to agree.

She said she was working on a reads-list a while back, I've been waiting for it.

I didn't know she was posting elsewhere though.

VOTE: GM

So just to clarify, you're totally sheeping here?

[Metal Sonic]

Don't try to bait me into looking arrogant u scumbag :p

[davesaz]

I happen to agree.

She said she was working on a reads-list a while back, I've been waiting for it.

I didn't know she was posting elsewhere though.

VOTE: GM

So just to clarify, you're totally sheeping here?

I take that back, this does look like a reason. Maybe not an especially good one, but it's something.

Goodmorning, we need some activity. I'm not as picky about it being a reads list, but something useful would be nice.

[davesaz]

Spoiler: BBT's requests for reads

While you're here, what are your current reads?

I have seen this question before, and it makes me nervous.

Don't be nervous. Engage.

I'm also looking at BBT and NPAU but I don't think they are scum together.

Is there a reason you don't think me and NPAU can be scum together?

Newb scums are obvious scums

Newb towns are vi

Alright. That's a fair enough point for the moment.

You're very compliant in this game Scripten. It's like you're trying not to ruffle any feathers.

I got my eye on you.

Also I forgot about marvel entirely and you were town there and so was I, but I replaced in and I think you were basically conf-town by then.

You couldn't use his town play from that game to help you determine his alignment in this game?

Mala, can I have a reads-list please. I don't think I've seen you give an opinion on someone that wasn't extremely wishy-washy and fence-sitty.

Need to see more from Uct, Heph and GM.

Waiting for Mala's and GM's reads-lists.

MS - Are you still town-reading Mala?

And scum-reading GM?

Dave, in 473 you left out quite a few people from your reads-list. Was there a reason for this?

Have you developed a read on any of the players you left out or have any of your previous reads changed?

Hi Mala,

Reads-list please.

Can I have that reads-lis now?

Because it's considered filler and hypocritical because you aren't giving a readslist yourself, but asking others for it.

How is it filler? I want to see people's thoughts/reads.

Nobody has asked me for a reads-list.

So BBT, how about that reads list? You seem so obsessed about what everyone else thinks, but seem to be dispensing your own ideas with a dropper.

[goodmorning]

GM

if you are town, indeed town, then do something other than defend yourself from Ms

I'm tryyyyingggggggggg

[davesaz]

VOTE: Hestephus

Your vote on NPAU looks opportunistic. Especially since only half of those voting him have any reasoning (Scripten, MS) although both cases are vague.

And especially since the only person you prodded as possible scum was MS.

Ok so the problem with this game is that it hasn't built momentum due to all the replacements. At this point I'd expect at least one solid wagon but instead there's a ton on vanity wagons that aren't going anywhere and I don't even know where to begin looking for scum.

Are you only looking for wagons?

This looks opportunistic as MS's 'NPAU is easier to lynch' line. Which you called out.

Long story short: NPAU -might- be scum. But the wagon on him is incredibly scummy. Hephaestus's vote looks most suspect of the four.

So I've been reviewing the people who aren't involved in the GM wagon in some way (either on it, or questioning those who are on it). You're in this category.

Has anything happened since the quoted post to change your reads?

[davesaz]

OK. Anyways, I want Scripten and BBT to give a case on me. The others are sheeping/scum I think. TBH, I'm no fan of this game, but I'll try to respond to it the best I can

I'll do this as soon as I can. For the moment, I would suggest ISOing NPAU and getting context on the places where he votes to see why he looks suspect to me.

I'm trying to decide whether I should join this wagon or take a harder look at its perpetrators. Any chance you can post something enlightening to help me decide?