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[Maxous]

stop panicking.
i'm here now.

[Maxous]

i like nikanor + scripten.
kinda like mantis + grayfoxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

don't like sabbath-hydra.

[Maxous]

why tho

i'll just go with gut reads until i can substantiate better.
though scripten's #52 was chock-full of townie arrogance labeling multiple people as idiots

[Maxous]

i don't mind how you play, i was explaining a town-read.

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At least each head of the hydra can't be individual scum.

Yeah, I like the idea of executing Nikanor. What do you think of that idea, Mantisdreamz?

The first thing I notice is that Nikanor was pushing for your execution.

uh-huh, but this isn't an opinion of nik's play.

[Maxous]

i still want that biscuit though

[Maxous]

Quinoa is more nutritious than a biscuit that is just mainly carbs.

hrm, a bit of research shows there actually might be a best of both worlds

The first thing I notice is that Nikanor was pushing for your execution.

uh-huh, but this isn't an opinion of nik's play.

Your point?

that you're effectively writing fluff.

Maxous what makes Mantis less likeable than Fox and Nikanor?

idk how to answer this really? i didn't feel mantis was as town as nik.

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only skimmed through grayfox's iso things on my read-through but town point for sheer effort.

still thinking sabbath should be the shot after #77 tbqh

[Maxous]

Fluff. Then calls Sabbath's posts fluff.

difference being my fluff wasn't

pretending

to be content.

Max, what part of post 77 pinged to you?

Town cred for anyone that shoots Nik and scumclaim for anyone that gives him the gun(should we call it a gun?) Shooting from the hip on P1, without scum hunting,

I don't expect his contributions to be any greater than that for the rest of the game.

they're adding a disclaimer to the scum-read: if nik flips town, 'ah well he wasn't gonna contribute anyway'
it's seems more like a policy lynch they're pushing.

[Maxous]

My point is you backing of off Script the way you did seems scummy on your part.

Scripten I read the start of your scumgame. I'm pretty much convinced you're not scum now.

hrm, they're read on scripten does seem over-the-top.
naz thinks it beyond possible that scripten could mix up his scum-game?

[Maxous]

(1)

Mantis is the Day1 named king, by either flavor or by role. Don't you think that's effectively a IC confirmation by the mod?

(2)

Which also brings me back to Nik's gambit choice. The named king? Very Ballsy.

(3)

Can you point to further Nikanor contributions? I'm pushing a scummy gambit that was played in poor taste. Is that policy?

1) no.
2) why is "ballsy", scummy per se?
3) i don't have a problem with his reads

@sabbath: do you have any other reads?

[Maxous]

Clusk92 ☆

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@MOD

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[Maxous]

too much info to process, just gonna write a brief summary here for now:

i like scripten's early play a lot particulary #52 as i mentioned, last half a dozen posts have gotten weaker but still have a moderate town read here.

grayfox, kinda towny feeling with all the ISO's, seems like a lot of unnecessary bother as scum. town read on fox got stronger when he started whipping nazarene around the thread, #206 + #210 are good. moderate town read here too.

mantisdreamz, by here own admission she is struggling for reads. I appreciate her effort to get into the game from #227 - #240. I have a feeling her struggling for reads and over-reliance on questions could be because she's scum though. Null, i'm not sure here.

quinoa, no read honestly. he mentioned a few reads he has but it didn't give me a feeling either way.

nazarene, certainly came off considerably worse during the grayfox argument, i do like their controlled aggression and persistence in dealing with their scum-reads however. Slight town feeling

honestly, i lean town on nikanor because i just feel he's town. i tried but i can't articulate that.

sabbath is still my only scum read. they're putting the effort in but their reads are just so messy, hell i barely understood their explanation of a scum-read on myself.

I don't feel like Greyfoxx's ISO reads line up with the content inside them. I'm very hesitant to follow the crowd in that the action over rides the content. I think he has been very buddying towards the King and that his attempts to be overly towny are fake. Someone may have told him to "try to look like a good little villager(see post 1 for reference)" because IMO, his actions have been a little over the top. I am hard claiming this as SCUM.

Greyfoxxx is obvscum.

i quoted this here because it comes across as over-confidence in the scum-read. their explanation does not look to match up with 'he is obv-scum'
the manner in which the nikanor read was dropped was pretty awkward too. they really tried to quickly sweep the issue under the carpet and pretend it didn't exist after focusing so much of their early game on it.

[Maxous]

Naz

Is now my strongest scum read.

Also Script is not my main town read anymore. Null until I see a response

ftr, i'm liking this kind of thing.
suggests his reads are being very reactive instead of calculated/strategic

[Maxous]

This is saying that GF is suggesting a scumteam between a player and someone he believes to be town based on associative POE reads. It's nonsensical and was the first, biggest problem I've had with GF's play.

oh, i just seen this at me.
ok

post 79

Don't like this post at all. Uses meta way to strongly here. Makes me look at Script as poss. scum if Naz is scum.

don't have a problem with it, he's just speculating on a hypothetical i think. IF naz was scum, he would look at you...I(and other players) draw those kinds of connections between players in our mind from time to time even though we think one or both of the players is town.
if he was using the link to pursue a scum-read on you that would be a different story, but he made it clear he wasn't.

[Maxous]

can't actually quote the post but here is a game from (wow 2 years ago :/ ) where i did something similar - read the om and RBD part.
worth noting i got into a really big mess with the speculation too i suppose.

[Maxous]

Scripten cannot be simultaneously town and scum partners with Nazarene.

..did you just totally ignore my last 2 posts?

One is that to believe the D1 king may not be town, is creating WIFOM against a preconceived notion that he is.

just because she was chosen as king or queen w/e, mantis is not necessarily town, this has been pointed out several times already.
you said mantis is town by play? why? this interests me considering I'm scummy for merely

questioning her alignment

He doesn't seem to give a crap that I want Nikanor killed, (or at least he didn't mention it)(wanting Nikanor killed is pretty scummy right?)(He didn't even say that my reasons for wanting Nikanor killed were off.) (At this post, I'm actually trying to encourage someone/anyone to shoot Nikanor) Anyways he completely bypass the things that are blatantly scummy in favor of saying that I want a policy lynch. In my experience policy lynches are pretty null as far as alignment goes. But to focus on that above everything else, tells me that his motivations are off. This is my second pick for true Scum.

uhhh no. you were giving policy lynch rationale to push somebody as a

scum-read

. that is not alignment-null.

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What do you mean? (Note: this is not me being cocky, I want to understand your read on us for real)

as in, greyfox's posts during that flurry came across as stronger and more town, while you seemed to be struggling to justify the scum-read on him.

[Maxous]

Greyfoxx says that his highest town read is scum buddies with Nazarene. This is awful.

...why do you keep refusing to adress my #294 + #295?
i'm getting tired of it.

My post about giving town cred to anyone that shot Nikanor was blatently scummy. Nothing was said about me wanting him shot and the scumminess of that in itself. A new reason saying that I wanted a policy lynch was invented.

and regarding this, I didn't say you were pushing a policy lynch, I said you were using the logic of a policy lynch to push a guy as a scum-read.

[Maxous]

happy to see nazarene is town

i don't think scrip is scum, i like that he has been very willing + open to discuss all viewpoints at any the time. (he might be a bit stubborn)

shooting sabbath i'm okay with atm

[Maxous]

happy to see nazarene is town

i don't think scrip is scum, i like that he has been very willing + open to discuss all viewpoints at any the time.

Except my main point in 332.

I've looked at #332 three times and I Don't get the argument..help pls

[Maxous]

I think I said a lot of complicated shit, but I was calling Greyfoxx scum for multiple reasons. being
Attempting to use the game flavor to appear town.
Creating the ISO reads as an attempt to appear town. because the ISO's
1. have Poor evaluations of posts and leave out the more important parts of the posts.
2. are Describing the posts rather than giving opinions on their content, and
Contradictions.

ok..this part is understandable

This is the comment that was being questioned. Greyfoxx thinks Scripten is town, thinks Naz is scum, thinks scripten may be scum with Naz.

This is a lot different than Maxous's example.

Maxous thought both parties were town, but still suspicious. In this case GF says Scripten and Nazarene are on opposite sides of the spectrum.

and then we're back to what????

[Maxous]

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scum does have the shot, i think.

[Maxous]

well i'm not scum anyway. mantis could be.
scripten is a bit surprising, i'll have a lookie in a bit

[Maxous]

Does anyone have theories regarding the nightkill?

so..what's

your

theory on the night-kill then?
i would imagine you are aware scrip was scum-reading you for his last 10-15 posts yes?

[Maxous]

so mantis, i think she's scummy because she has overly struggled for reads.
the start of this game was difficult i feel, it wasn't really easy to get reads. And if it was difficult for town, imagine how hard it would be for scum.
a lot of her content is asking questions that didn't really seem to lead to much. she gave reads in #396 + 398 but none were explained in detail.
having a flaking scum-buddy would mean it's reasonable that the remaining scum would feel somewhat apathetic towards the game. Though you could level this accusation at quinoa also.

I had a theory you were setting me up for today's execution.

yeah, no.
"setting up" lynches almost never work.
if i was scum i wouldn't be messing around killing scripten, yourself or nikanor would of been out the door.

[Maxous]

it would be easier for scum to get reads because they are aware

not really mate, it's harder to lie than truthfully probe at someone and I remember feeling trapped myself as scum in a couple of games where reads were hard to come by.

if i was scum i wouldn't be messing around killing scripten, yourself or nikanor would of been out the door.

circular reasoning is unreliable

what do you mean circular reasoning?

I thought you were insinuating we killed scripten because he scumread us. But you weren't doing that?

not particularly, i'm still curious of why you asked for night-kill theories when the most obvious theory was yourself though.

[Maxous]

max, you said you were going to take a look at theories on the script nightkill.. will you?

i did. which is why i questioned nazarene afterward. there was nothing else apart from that. well maybe greyfox i guess.
this answers #493 as well i think.

also @max - this is the 2nd time you've made a point to state that i was struggling for reads and using it as indicating scumminess

yes?
i'm re-iterating a read i have?

if i was scum i wouldn't be messing around killing scripten, yourself or nikanor would of been out the door.

also what makes you say that in particular? (the last part of the sentence)

because tier was accusing me of killing scripten, which is silly because

1) he is an inexperienced weaker player compared to the two i mentioned.
2) he town-read me in his last reads
3) he was seemingly going to tunnel on nazarene

I (helpfully ) pointed out who would of been night-killed if i was scum.

[Maxous]

Because we're not scum. So there must be another reason for the nightkill. Why shouldn't we ask gor another theory when the most obvious one is myself?

1)what's *your* other theory
2) it's more of an issue you didn't address the most obvious culprit being yourself when asking for a theory. I wouldn't put it past you to pull a cheeky night-kill here and claim 'scum is setting me up'

[Maxous]

Nope
If anything I'm questioning the reaction

[Maxous]

yeah i've cooled off on thinking mantis is scum. don't think it's quinoa.
it's naz or nik IMO. they would be good enough not be overtly scummy.

[Maxous]

Sorry I forgot the deadline was last night. Was busy.
It's not quinoa or greyfox anyway. Doubting it's mantis.
Which leaves yeah, nik and naz.
gut would lean nik but eh, good luck