Mini 1595: WiFom City: The Inquisition - GAME OVER - THANKS!

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Hello, earthlings!

Pre-game is basically just setup discussion. I agree with some of it I suppose.

Hotel Holder is town, I'm pretty damn sure. He is posting vast content in an otherwise empty spot. That doesn't particularily mean its all that helpful, but hes trying despite general MS meta to lay low for the first little bit. Town in my eyes for now. Oh...he left

Fontisan is giving me bad feelings in this part, but other than that basically everyone is just joking around or whatever. Fontisan is trying to act like the town leader in my eyes, but it just seems in credibly artificial. He's different than holder because he is trying to control the town rather than contribute. To me this screams as scum.

Players that haven't seen me in a game before, what's your meta?

I'm always town don't question it ever
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Day one:
Atum is town. He's playing the sort of trolly, but is town based on the nature of the posts hes making.

Unsight is the GD, eh? I buy it. I think shes town especially due to her cold-feet. I too agree it likely wasn't best, but then again I have never played this setup.

OFFTOPIC: @MadCitrus, you can even iso multiple people at once to get a telling of their relationship. Press the little plus! (its even MORE GLORIOUS!)

Stigmata's 248 is strange as hell to me. MadCitrus made a (somewhat) weak case against him and he got incredibly defensive. That doesn't sit right with me.

Towntris is definitely present here.

Citown.

I agree. Citown

Question time!

If you could have picked a role, what would it be?

Are you having fun?

Where else (if applicable) do you play mafia?

Steak or ham?

JESTER, fun., Uhm just a unrelated forum that has some others (faraday and a few others) havent played in a while tho, I'm a pescetarian so neither

I'll break this game if and when I feel like it.

Right now, Rubicon's imitating his scum play and I want him to die. Whee.

This is the nail in her coffin for me.

VOTE: FOntisan

Grib is a gut read based on tonality. He's not taking a town leadership position like he has in other games (such as the Mini Normal he finished recently), and I wish he would. But he doesn't seem worried about looking town or being caught, either.

This is interesting to me. I assumed he was just lurkish by nature. In other games hes more of a town voice? I will meta him after I finish this post because t hat doesn't sit right with me. Especially with new people who have yet to draw scum?

Oh god a wagon on me right at the start?

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I'll break this game if and when I feel like it.

Right now, Rubicon's imitating his scum play and I want him to die. Whee.

did you read my post or just see the vote, font?

And alright: 1) Font
2) Grib
3) Stagmanta

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we can have similar reads and you still be scum.

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@Font I'm unsure why it quoted that post in all honesty?

@Hiplop: How much experience do you have playing as scum?

@ZZX: How about a scum read list?

@fontisian: Is hiplop your scum mate?

probably 100+ games? A lot. Pretty good scum record too.

3- Mist (Maybe?): I liked his enterance and my gut says he is town. I will let him here for now

Hm? She has posted literally nothing about the game? What about that one post makes you think town?

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Rubicon, worry not about the bomb!

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Font, read my post all of those things are answered.

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just more convinced youre scum now. Really bad attempt at defense.

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Did not expect that reaction to my post :\

whats scummy about it?

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hiplop I need you to be honest for a second.

Are you scum?

Unfortunately not my friend

if this isnt a scum-driven wagon I don't know what is ~_~

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albert please dont be lazy. Font is scum, vote her silly man!

and thanks Citrus!

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What do you think of Jarg hiplop?

well i am jarg's replacement...

Citrus, is font usually this snarky?

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I could go for switching to ABR. My biggest bad habit is tunnel vision. ABR has done literally nothing as far as i can tell. Jumped on an easy wagon withme (that had no explanation, either from him or others)

The thing is though, the OMGUS super-read that font developed on me just screams paranoid scum.

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Do you have any explanation for that interaction at all..

@Honeybee, I honestly had no idea this was directed towards me. You quoted like a hundred posts that had no explanation or context. I guess I ignored you but I really just didn't understand. Wasn't very clear.

but alright I'll reply.

Arrogant scum post I quoted, after clearly outlining a case of fake-town leading, condescension, having reads WAY before it was possible (why? because he knows whos town/scum. Common tell is scum making reads too early), trying to influence the people he knows via essentially bullying. Finally, the final nail in the coffin was his blatant strawman of my case. Rather than defend, he attacked me.

You understand I had a scumread on your slot before you replaced in, correct?

With no explanation at all. Yeah, it doesn't count.

Unsight, please stop being bad. I'm not going for a town leader angle. Among this group, I am a town leader. My reads are good because I know what I'm doing.

No, you are needlessly arrogant and scum.

I could go for switching to ABR. My biggest bad habit is tunnel vision. ABR has done literally nothing as far as i can tell. Jumped on an easy wagon withme (that had no explanation, either from him or others)

The thing is though, the OMGUS super-read that font developed on me just screams paranoid scum.

The change in tone here is really bad in terms of how you refer to ABR. Your explanation of why you'd be ok voting him looks like covering your bases, you're fairly defensive about the wagon on you and you keep bringing up fontisian for towncred when she flips scum.

@Citrus: If you won't tell fonti, tell

me

why hiplop is town.[/quote]
Theres nothing to read about ABR right now. Hes not paying attention very clearly at all. He is the most null I could possibly have someone. My philosophy is that if you don't contribute at all, may be worth a shot at a numbers/policy lynch.

And no. Fontisan is just scum. Hes the one who has been outrageously defensive

Welcome, Mist. I am glad that you saw what I saw, lol. Means I'm not crazy

and there's font to be a complete arrogant twat to her for no reason. On the 1% chance you aren't scum, I'd want you dead anyway because all you do is OMGUS. Everyone you think is scum/bad, is suspicious of you. I'm not sure if you're homeland is different, but thats a super-beginner scum tell.2

burn this bitch.

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oops, where you see [/quote], that whole paragraph is a quote by ATUM ^^

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Unsight thats actually pretty damn funny.

That's ok. I'm sure you just didn't read the post. Just like you didn't read or respond to this one:

Jargonaut's argued against a townblock, apologized for being absent when he wasn't attacked for it, and gave himself a meta of weak scum play.

Yeah, none of these things are at all scummy dude. Look at *literally* any game on this site with someone who leaves, they say sorry. Maybe in your forum they don't have manners, here they do. Who gives a shit about someone saying they are bad as scum? I IC all the time on this site, its a common thing, new people being anxious about being scum

Atum/Font/Grib scum team, gg? Maybe just maybe. They are all constantly defending eachother in a way that just screams inexperienced scum (who think they are incredible)

Can we just lynch font? We know he's scum, hes caught, lets kill him.

@Font I replied to that post (to the parts that matter, the rest of it was mentioned already)

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I'll break this game if and when I feel like it.

Right now, Rubicon's imitating his scum play and I want him to die. Whee.

This is the nail in her coffin for me.

VOTE: FOntisan

Why don't you explain why you think Citrus is town, why you think I'm scum (hint: the fact that I'm bringing over my experience in leading more than half of these people doesn't count as a good reason), and what you think of Stigmata?

I'll break this game if and when I feel like it.

Right now, Rubicon's imitating his scum play and I want him to die. Whee.

did you read my post or just see the vote, font?

Why is that quote scummy?

@Font I'm unsure why it quoted that post in all honesty?

i was referring to why you literally told her that she didn't read your post and then when pressed further backtracked on your posistion claiming ignorance.

Go look at the turn of events. I accidently quoted the same post again, thats what I was referring to. 2 posts in a row with same quote

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lol

I am actually a little offended you think an Atum/Fonti/me team would be ~*obvious*~. If anything seems obvious in this game on Day 1, barring a slip, it's probably not what you think.

Please stop ignoring me and tell me why you think I'm scum, thanks.

Why? Because when you press the fancy ISO button at the bottom of the screen, youve posted 0 of anything even resembling content. All you've done is question cases on font and yourself. Thats it.

PEDIT: I see you voted me anyway, alright. Makes it more convincing.

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@Honey, I said in original post the quote was just another example; its needless arrogance in an attempt to strawman a case

I want you to vote for hiplop with, because he's likely scum and he's linked to Stigmata. At the very least I'd like you to stop pushing me over nothing so I can focus on lynching scum. Are you going to help or not?

Curious. You've never explained or even touched on a link to stigmata...

Quote your response for me.

And no, deliberately giving yourself a bad scum meta is a nice scumtell. The entirety of Jargonaut's added up to a self-conscious player trying to stay out of the spotlight.

I'm sorry but the guy clearly left due to personal reasons. That is not fair to assume alignment, you're making stuff up.

He townslipped, hiplop. Your buddy pointed it out already.

Are you hoping that if you don't address me I'll go away?

" Townslipping" means nothing when the person is aware of it. If anything its an easy thing for scum to do? Like this isn't even a valid point.

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Too many nulls. Your ika read is bad because he does that every game. But I agree with you on Rubicon. And I'm not trying to slide by without it being noticed, because. I want it to be noticed, so that you can drop your scumread of me and put it somewhere that might actually catch scum.

and aw, here's grib to AGAIN defend fontisan and attempt to discredit a case. How cute

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@von

b/c i can ready you more easily then font.

anyway, hiplop lets try something:

assume font is town, whos scum then?

hmm. Best guess would be in grib/albert.

Albert is tough to read because he's done virtually nothing but bandwagon. Usually I look at my null-reads for scum if actual reads aren't going anywhere. He'd be my best guess

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town doesn't use their "townslips" to slide to endgame, scum does.

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plus its a fucking open setup, town are just as likely to make that mistake as scum are.

like really either way its a fucking accident

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Stigmata's 248 is strange as hell to me. MadCitrus made a (somewhat) weak case against him and he got incredibly defensive. That doesn't sit right with me.

I like to feel understood! esp. by people I've wasted Friday nights playing games w/.

fair enough.

Stigmata's 248 is strange as hell to me. MadCitrus made a (somewhat) weak case against him and he got incredibly defensive. That doesn't sit right with me.

I like to feel understood! esp. by people I've wasted Friday nights playing games w/.

Bzzt#

All of the people on my wagon (except ika) have never played with me before. Every player not on me (except Honeybee) knows me.

I did this last time I was town Lol

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you did what exactly? Defended yourself with meta is what you mean?

Stigmata's 248 is strange as hell to me. MadCitrus made a (somewhat) weak case against him and he got incredibly defensive. That doesn't sit right with me.

I like to feel understood! esp. by people I've wasted Friday nights playing games w/.

Bzzt#


@stigmata: What is your posistion on this hiplop vs. font thing?
I feel like a scum driven wagon is a wagon that has too many votes for the reasons presented. Arrogance/town leading/supporting a common strat for this setup feels pretty poor for 5-6 votes on font.

My head hurts now so I'll talk a bit more later today maybe.

Honey, I don't think arrogance nor the strategy have ANYTHING to do with font's alignment. I think hes an arrogant tool, but also scum. I've outlined FAR better reasons than what you've indicated so please look back.

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If it's me vs font, I can confirm myself as town. If thats the case, lets burn this guy please.

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Stigmata's 248 is strange as hell to me. MadCitrus made a (somewhat) weak case against him and he got incredibly defensive. That doesn't sit right with me.

I like to feel understood! esp. by people I've wasted Friday nights playing games w/.

Bzzt#

All of the people on my wagon (except ika) have never played with me before. Every player not on me (except Honeybee) knows me.

I did this last time I was town Lol

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Bzzt#

All of the people on my wagon (except ika) have never played with me before. Every player not on me (except Honeybee) knows me.

I did this last time I was town Lol

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um I don't see anything in that post that's alignment indicating. Why did you unvote..

It's between hiplop and fontisan.

Vote: fontisan

Those were your reads from earlier, what made you reconsider your reads beforehand?

@stigmata: What is your posistion on this hiplop vs. font thing?
I feel like a scum driven wagon is a wagon that has too many votes for the reasons presented. Arrogance/town leading/supporting a common strat for this setup feels pretty poor for 5-6 votes on font.

My head hurts now so I'll talk a bit more later today maybe.

I don't believe we should ever narrow our focus that small however. A small focus lets the others slip through the cracks.

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ignore those quotes. Not sure whats happening with my quotes lately

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font. go look at who she replaced and tell me you think Holder's posts could POSSIBLY come from scum. No fucking way.

Erhm about the softclaims, what? Nothing at all like that.

as for your post, a lot of it is blatant misreads in that nbig quote post. For example, the one about the wagon, yeah that was the wagon on me. Blatant misreps all thru that post.

Hmmm. Interesting development. Will wait for citrus to confirm before I make any conclusion tho.

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Fucking knew it. Font is scum.

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I'm neither priest or acolyte. So nice try fishing scumbag

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Also didn't even come close to claiming either of those. You said that not me. L

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You made an inference. I didn't imply that at all. There's more than one role that can confirm itself. Idiotic scum caught role fishing.

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Font, maybe that shitty logic works on other sites but not here. A confirmable action in a open setup confirms you. I can confirm myself. Not holy, but nice try. You got outplayed

Best part is grub STILL refusing to bus his confscum buddy. Silly fellow.

hh

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^ think its a typo. I didn't do anything to cause that ika

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Sorry citrus :$ but if this guy is there I'm not sure how praiseworthy it is. Doesn't seem fun to play with at all lol

And ehrm I'm not sure what you're referencing citrus!

OK guys font is confscum leggo

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But??? I really don't get why scum!fonti would fakeclaim Priest and expect town!Citrus to just? Go along with that by pretending to be her Acolyte. That doesn't make any sense, because of course Citrus isn't going to cooperate or keep quiet about it.

Like. I get fakeclaiming Priest to force a CC. But. Getting Citrus to participate? That's where I'm blanking.

fake edit: I still think she's town too, but at this point too many players are thirsting for her blood.

thats WIFOM grib. Like perfect situation.

Also there is scum motivation (she thought she'd weed out the real pair)

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Rubikon, curious you said not lynching her is the wrong play, but you're not voting her. Why?

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^ yeah. Honeybee the rational is that if shes scum she gets protected for at least one more day. In my eyes that means she likely a pretty powerful scum-role.

Like she really is conf-scum at this point, just made a silly move. She thought she could get me in a 1v1 tunnel situiation and it failed. Citrus caught her.

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Your excuse still doesn't work because I'm not the priest.

Also atum I think that makes sense.

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my nomination for the bomb is grib.

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I do.

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Actually I can back that.

ABR would be ideal. Has done nothing.

But yeah, im still not a priest.

@HoneyBee, are you reading the game? I haven't claimed. Font is the one who got caught fakeclaiming not me.

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Grib, why zzzx over ABR? I'm fine with either in all honesty but ZZZX reads slightly more town? idk ABR seems like he'll be useless all game but zzzx is trying

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grib, the thing is he does this every game. It isn't a this-game thing. It's always. Its virtually impossible to read him because he never does anything

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stigmata/font scum makes sense. he randomly called stigmata my "buddy" and it was totally out of left field. That sounds like scum trying to check the boxes of distancing.

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Problem is you are competent enough yo get off of a confscum lynch I gear. Er have to lynch you now.

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dont talk to ika like that

who should we bomb? ABR/

Grib

/ZZZX. My vote goes to grib.

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Hmm how about this.

Stigmata/ABR/Grib/ZZZX

List them 1-4. That way it can't be blocked as easy and bomber has a (small) choice.
1. Grib
2. Stigmata
3. ABR
4. ZZZX

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basically prod dodge

dont know what to say in all honesty

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kind of awkward-twilightish time

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it keeps me warm

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VOTE: honeybee

she knew fonjt was town before unsight revealed it.

literally only scum could know that

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im confused why font as the town judge with his eyes on me being conf-scum would not choose to judge-me

am i missing something here?

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Disregard that figured it out

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honeybee scum slipped. She knew what alignment font was.

Lynch her with fire.

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that reason makes 0 sense honey

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and okay we blow up mist tonight

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gg.

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ok lets lynch mist

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dont like her change of tone after ikas claim.

smells like scum spirit

VOTE: mist

honey bb you still scum

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ugh ugh ugh ugh

why

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VOTE: honeybee

I'll do something similar to grib (scum->leastscum)
Grib
Stigmata
Rubicon
Albert
Atum

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And I misread that, my bad. Still want to hear how your reads progressed though.

hm? They've been pretty standard. If you look at yesterday I was pretty focussed on grib/stigmata. ABR I said I can't read at all and hes done nothing, so he'd be worth an investigate. Rubicon has been pretty invisible, also worth investigate. Atum you just happen to be the last person I think would be worth a check. Don't really think youre scum, but you're in the null-town category if I were to categorize

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yeah go ahead and check me man

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tbh font being town (somehow:S, really bad town play) just makes grib look worse. Only person who wasn't convinced he was scum at the end. Why? cuz hes scum and knew he wasn't a demon.

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tbh font being town (somehow:S, really bad town play) just makes grib look worse. Only person who wasn't convinced he was scum at the end. Why? cuz hes scum and knew he wasn't a demon.

Hey wtf I wasn't convinced, neither was rubi, nor Stig. where are you pulling this crap from?

You wanna explain your vote on mist earlier?

figured she would crack even more. Tbh was miguided but I wanted to do something as we waited to lynch you.

the difference was that grib was SURE font was town. Everyone else wavered. He didn't. Not one bit. I mean I am kind of distraught now that font is town. Really makes me sort of lost.

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tbh font being town (somehow:S, really bad town play) just makes grib look worse. Only person who wasn't convinced he was scum at the end. Why? cuz hes scum and knew he wasn't a demon.

Hey wtf I wasn't convinced, neither was rubi, nor Stig. where are you pulling this crap from?

You wanna explain your vote on mist earlier?

figured she would crack even more. Tbh was miguided but I wanted to do something as we waited to lynch you.

the difference was that grib was SURE font was town. Everyone else wavered. He didn't. Not one bit. I mean I am kind of distraught now that font is town. Really makes me sort of lost.

Excuse me, you weren't waiting for a lynch on me. You voted her BEFORE I claimed, not after. How many times do you want to lie to me in this game? It makes a lot more sense that you wanted her dead today so she could become a demon.
I also see nothing in grib's ISO that looks like he definitely knew font's alignment.

And wanna explain this quote?

ugh ugh ugh ugh

why

You def weren't enthused about the plan to lynch me.

@Unsight, atum, madcitrus, abr: Please discuss some of your reads/people you want to investigate tonight.

I voted her because of what I said. I wanted to put pressure on her. Wasn't thinking about the bomb. And honestly because I posted that immediately after you claimed and I was scared you did something very stupid.

Yo Gribblypuff, do you still think hiplop is a Mist buddy?

Grib, why do you think I'm mists buddy?

Pretty sure rubicon is town. He's going back and trying to get an honest-relook at events. At this point in the game, pretty sure thats a town attitude.

Scum (+grib) gotta be in Stig/ZZZX/ABR/Grib

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sorry I meant scum (+Mist)

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sorry I meant scum (+Mist)

@Rubicon

Scum (+grib) gotta be in Stig/ZZZX/ABR/Grib

You are now a Day Vig with 1 bullet. Which of those 4 do you shoot and why?

hmmm...well assuming that you would still get his card, stigmata. I think it would give us the most information.

You thought i was scum literally a post before that, remember? Do you know my alignment?

my god. What is so difficult about this? I thought you were scum, but i wanted to vote the confscum. Sorry I didn't anticipate your death being helpful.

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unsight has anyone mentioned abr for more than a few lines?

look at his game dude

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VOTE: zzzx

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oh crap! im at work right now will come back promptly!

totally thought we lynched zzx

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Don't worry, I won't be mislynched. I'm the loose cannon.

You being almost mislynched and then taking out the wrong person would also be bad, so hearing you explain your reads would still be a good thing. Do you object for some reason? Why?

stigmata IMO

and uhm i may have had a hand in setting the bomb

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zzzx is scum.

stigmata is probably the other scum.

easy