InuYasha Mafia (Game Over)

[The Goat]

Oh, hi!

[The Goat]

I am on vacation until Sunday, at which time I will read and make comments and judge people unfairly.

Until that point, please carry on while I drink and fish.

[The Goat]

Back from vacation - will endeavor to catch up ASAP.

If anyone feels like giving me a quick summary of the cases on the top two trains, it would be appreciated. I have a knee-jerk desire to vote Nero, but that's probably left over from a past game.

[The Goat]

Good...LORD.

Is the any chance whatsoever this giant clusterfuck of dick/brain measuring could take a back seat to actual scum hunting for a little bit?

I'd like all of you involved in this to please take your heads out of your asses and stop bickering. Stop being concerned about who's the better player. I can assure you that nobody really cares or agrees with any of you.

I'm now going to gather some spelunking equipment and attempt to navigate this dung-filled cavern of a Day 1. See you all on the other side.

[The Goat]

3. shos
6. Katsuki
7. Sakura Hana
16. Majiffy
20. Clyton
21. Abomination (Who, Axxle, Haylen, MTD, T-Bone, ika, & BipolarChemist)
26. xofelf
28. Klick
^
so who wants to help me kill who?

Why do you include sakura on this list and not the goat?

Because I'm awesome.

Yes, this is where I'm up to in my reading.

[The Goat]

Random thoughts at post 674 (end of p. 27):

I'm townreading Majiffy thus far. I remember him being more arrogant as scum. Yes, really.
Nero is playing differently than the games I remember with him. Will have to go back and check how long ago that was, and what his alignment was.
Icerint/AP is pinging the ever-loving holy crap out of my Goatdar.
Y&B is a fluffier poster than I am. And that's saying something.

[The Goat]

Losing focus and may be missing stuff by skimming too fast...will continue in the morning.

[The Goat]

Nero is playing differently than the games I remember with him. Will have to go back and check how long ago that was, and what his alignment was.

Do you know what games these were? I wouldn't mind taking a look myself...

I assume he's talking about http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=28017

but I don't know what the fuck he thinks is different.

You were being a tool in that game. Not so much now.

[The Goat]

Catching up again...

Have you ever had a situation when you're reading someone as scum for an entire game, and then they post something so towny it just obliterates your read?

Yeah, that's what happened with Icerink in post 928.

[The Goat]

Wow. I'm caught up.

My eyes may actually be bleeding.

I do not like ANY of the top 3 wagons.

As much as that TSO/Mastin/Y&B interaction near the end was painful to read, I really do not like the reactions of Y&B.

vote Y&B

Other top suspect is Beast...and Sven is less active than I remember him, although I can appreciate his need for data.

I am off to stick my eyes into a beer. I will be back later this evening.

[The Goat]

I feel the need to point out that I fully support the Y&B wagon, it just doesn't need me.

You have made one or two posts that puzzle me, but none more than this one. What does this mean?

[The Goat]

Everyone thinks that Y&B is scum because they are; everyone knows it and will vote them when the time comes. and yeah I think xofelf is town so I should vote Y&B but will I conform to mastin's null? fucking nope.

Well, at least now there's a statement that confuses me more.

[The Goat]

More Data Needed
The Goat - mostly like him so far but fuck if I'll call him town yet when he ignored the game so long.

Ya know, I SAID I was on vacation...

...but fair enough.

[The Goat]

Responding to prod. I have pretty much taken as many vacation days and long weekends and such as I'm going to until the end of the summer; I'll hopefully be more useful from this point forward.

[The Goat]

unvote.

[The Goat]

Catching up on this thread and examining the wagons is like herding cats.

I totally missed the Beast claim when it happened...how many votes were there at the time? It looked odd.

I do not like the xofelf or Nero wagons in the least. I'm more inclined to join the Lemniscate wagon, but will reread the Shos iso, just in the unlikely event that Majiffy is smarter than everyone else.

[The Goat]

Vote a leading wagon please, I don't care i you decide you want to switch to another leading wagon later. I don't trust you to actually vote before deadline.

You cut me, sir. Your lack of trust is something that will haunt my dr...no...wait...

...I'm over it.

[The Goat]

People I hate: Thegoat, VFT, Shos

I love you yoo <3

VOTE: xofelf

that's a good decision. I can see why he's being voted. ISOing him was pretty easy.

You know, I didn't read you as scummy...even after reading your iso...until this very post.

[The Goat]

Seriously. Just say "This is self-preservation, because I'm town, and I don't want to die." I could accept that. But that justification was weak as all hell.

vote: shos

[The Goat]

Vote a leading wagon please, I don't care i you decide you want to switch to another leading wagon later. I don't trust you to actually vote before deadline.

You cut me, sir. Your lack of trust is something that will haunt my dr...no...wait...

...I'm over it.

When are you going to start playing this game?

I'm pacing myself. Shaddap.

[The Goat]

Vote a leading wagon please, I don't care i you decide you want to switch to another leading wagon later. I don't trust you to actually vote before deadline.

You cut me, sir. Your lack of trust is something that will haunt my dr...no...wait...

...I'm over it.

When are you going to start playing this game?

I'm pacing myself. Shaddap.

bullshit.

Please turn on your sarcasm detector.

[The Goat]

I really can't say anything that wouldn't leave scorch marks on the server.

Do something useful.

Fair enough. I just iso-ed myself, and that's deserved.

Here's what I've got stored in my head from following somewhat lackadaisically, without referencing exact posts.

I'm getting a strong town-read on Majiffy, but he's tunneling like a mofo. His stubbornness actually made me LESS likely to vote shos until the last page or so.
I'm also getting strong town reads on SG, Nero and Mastin; their interactions read like "I'm smarter than you" town on town action.

TSO/replacement did something mid-day that pinged me.
Sven is officially freaking me out now. He's playing differently in other games, even "D1 with no data" play is different.

[The Goat]

People I hate: Thegoat, VFT, Shos

I love you yoo <3

VOTE: xofelf

that's a good decision. I can see why he's being voted. ISOing him was pretty easy.

You know, I didn't read you as scummy...even after reading your iso...until this very post.

interesting, why is that?
I ISOed xofelf, the leading wagon, and decided that it is worth the vote. Majiffy can be kept for later.

Anything SPECIFIC in the iso? Because I'm pretty sure the wagon on xofelf was mostly based on LACK of participation.

[The Goat]

Giests, ignore goat this is a large reason why I scum read him in that nexus game. He's a red herring!

Can we at least threaten to PL him if he doesn't pick it up?

Ya know, I'm right here....

[The Goat]

I'm probably going to avoid the thread for a few hours. bad mood abatement program.

Sorry, man...I'm just messing around with ya.

[The Goat]

I'm getting a strong town-read on Majiffy, but he's tunneling like a mofo. His stubbornness actually made me LESS likely to vote shos until the last page or so.

so why is the townread? is tunneling and not doing anything else at all for 2000 posts a town-act? this is precisely the reason for me *scum*reading him, and it seems like this is the reason for you *town* reading him?

People I hate: Thegoat, VFT, Shos

I love you yoo <3

VOTE: xofelf

that's a good decision. I can see why he's being voted. ISOing him was pretty easy.

You know, I didn't read you as scummy...even after reading your iso...until this very post.

interesting, why is that?
I ISOed xofelf, the leading wagon, and decided that it is worth the vote. Majiffy can be kept for later.

Anything SPECIFIC in the iso? Because I'm pretty sure the wagon on xofelf was mostly based on LACK of participation.

not too many. Read his ISO; there are just a couple of posts that actually have content.

for example, in post 1135. I would have no problems if he said he didn't read, or skim, or something, but he said that he read through and noticed SG's doublevote - and how comes nobody else noticed it? well, I did, and I pointed itout, and there was discussion. so probably didn't quite read, eh? just sayin ghtat he did.
also not taking concrete stance on my claim.
also trying to get me to claim with no reason at L-7.
and finally
the unvote-because-of-flavor after explaining thorouhgly how mod gives fakeclaims etc etc when dealing with my claim.


also, lurker lynch in a 28p game on D1 can't be such a bad option even if we randomly picked.

I'm biased, but lack of participation, specifically on D1, does not equal scum.

[The Goat]

Re: The Majiffy town read, it's meta from another game.

[The Goat]

Unvote; Vote: TheGoat

I will vanity wagon TheGoat for 24 hours and switch to probably xof after that time passes if it hasn't taken off.

I have not discussed this with AP.

-Iec

Is there something to this, or is this pretty much a "Goat's pissing me off" vote? I'd like to know before I respond.

[The Goat]

I did not claim to not be a demon. I said that the word demon arises in context that is not related to me. read: my ability to watch myself and see if I was targetted by demon, undead, both or neither.

when I claimed that, I clearly stated that I will not say if I'm a demon or not.

This is the most confusing explanation ever.

[The Goat]

vote svenskt stal

I like where your head is at, but I don't know that this is the time.

Of the leading wagons, I'm still leaning toward shos...but its starting to make me itch. I will certainly not be moving off shos for xofelf, however.

[The Goat]

Pretty sure Goat just beetlejuiced.

Does "Beetlejuiced" mean "Respond to a vote on me seven hours later?"

[The Goat]

Sort of. If you were an active player in this game, no. Because you are not, yes.

For fucks sake...

BLANKET APOLOGY TO EVERYONE IN THE GAME FOR MY LACK OF PARTICIPATION BEFORE MONDAY MORNING. SERIOUSLY. I'M SORRY. I WAS ON VACATION FOR A WEEK AND ALSO TOOK A LONG WEEKEND TO GO CAMPING.

This is designed to be a mea culpa.

On Monday, I did this:

Responding to prod. I have pretty much taken as many vacation days and long weekends and such as I'm going to until the end of the summer; I'll hopefully be more useful from this point forward.

From this point forward, if I'm not active during the week, feel free to ride my as about it. I've had more than half of my posts in this entire game SINCE Monday. I'd like to think that at least a couple of them were insightful.

I have now apologized repeatedly, and there are PLENTY of people in this game who have contributed less than I. From this point forward, my response to "Do something useful" or similar posts will be a blanket "Kiss my ass."

Okay?

[The Goat]

Ok didn't realize you were back (I've been away myself). It's not about the activity itself. I thought you were popping in just after your name was mentioned. But if you came back Monday, I was wrong.

S'arright. I'm grumpy today.

[The Goat]

I *can* go Lemniscate, albeit most of the scumminess came from his predecessors. I cannot see the case on xofelf.

If someone's gonna start another wagon, they'd better do it and make a compelling case damned quick.

[The Goat]

Unvote, vote Lemniscate

for the sake of progress. There seem to be too many "I will not vote show" and "I will not vote xofelf" sentiments going on to successfully progress in any other direction before deadline.

[The Goat]

VOTE: lemniscate

Say it's for self-preservation. Please. It'll make me sleep better.

[The Goat]

for those unaware of flavor and too lazy to look it up:

Can you provide this service throughout the remainder of the game?

[The Goat]

Yea d1 no lynch is dumb. Where is the sven from nexus wwe mafia?

This.

[The Goat]

<just posting to show that I'm reading, and nothing to be said right now.>

Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ.

STOP LOOKING SO SCUMMY. You make me want to stab myself in the eye for not voting you.

[The Goat]

Oh, thanks for the reminder:

Vote: Sven

You straight up suck at this game bro, do something else with your time.

Please, pretty please...don't do this.

[The Goat]

vote: Mist

[The Goat]

unvote

until Icerink flips.

[The Goat]

*yawn* your scum team along with shit players like AP couldn't mislynch me yesterday, it won't happen today.

Lol this is great. I can't wait to see your look when you're lynched and flip scum. The only thing I'm trying to figure out is, why are you so scummy? I figured you'd at least try to pretend you're town...

*quiet voice*

But...if he's scummy...he already KNOWS he's scummy. At least that's the case in situations I'm familiar with. Why would his look be something to look forward to? It's not like he's going to look surprised....

[The Goat]

I'm confused what's going on. Also guilty on abomination what?

This. Nero, what was that?

[The Goat]

there's no guilty on abomination. idk, Tituscum was being really strange and wanted me to fake a guilty for some reason so I did. Now help us lynch the birds.

Never mind.

[The Goat]

Gonna take a look at the way the wagons fell near the end of the day yesterday.

[The Goat]

Can someone explain "monologic" to me, please?

[The Goat]

Actually I'm not sure about it. that "slip" you pulled is a very nice eye, and the response to it...dunno. but I'm not going to go into tunnel mode like Majiffy was on D1.

can anyone explain to me why the BoP wagon is there? I probably missed something?

I was going to ask this as well, but I've had my fill of feeling stupid this week.

[The Goat]

Sorry - the last half of this week has been complete shit. Will catch up over the weekend and give thoughts. (And yes, that still includes examining the wagons at the end of day yesterday.)

[The Goat]

Catching up is going to require a lot of coffee, isn't it?

[The Goat]

vote Mist

For the theme ignorant: Does the JOAT-as-gg theme fit here?

[The Goat]

as-gg?

I believe that it was questioned earlier on if JOAT fit the theme as being Town (GG). I did not see this answered.

[The Goat]

Whose claim?

I'm referencing this:

If town is a bunch of JOATs then okay

But I really don't think so.

[The Goat]

Thinking about it, your question feels a bit more like fishing than a general inquiry.

I'm trying to catch up. I have absolutely no idea what the hell is going on.

[The Goat]

Yeah but that post is pretty clearly not entirely serious, it's not a claim, and you're out of the blue asking about whether theme fits a JOAT like it matters whatsoever anywhere right now.

Seeing as how we've had a couple JOAT-type claims, I think an unanswered question of whether those types of claims fit with the theme as being town is pretty relevant. What am I missing?

[The Goat]

Whose claim?

xofelf's in particular.

[The Goat]

VOTE: Goat

Do what you gotta do...but this may not be the best way to encourage participation from people who haven't been doing so.

[The Goat]

Cause fuck me if I didn't

Are you going to do yourself?

Shit. Forget I said that.

Anyways, could someone give a case for me-scum?
(I'm just gonna say this now if I have to die at least just drown me. Fire is uncomfortable.)

p-edit: @Goat are you gonna answer Majiffy's question?

You mean other than which claim I was referring to when referencing the "JOAT claims"...that I answered? Or was there another question?

[The Goat]

Claims summary for those who don't read:

MDT: Abi (D)- Ninja enabler/ tracker miller (puppet). Additional mystery power. Can vanillaize self.
Jiffy: Ryujin (D)- Ninja enabler/ tracker miller (puppet)
NS: Kohaku (H)- Ninja enabler/ tracker miller (puppet)
Xofelf: Shippo (D)- 9-ability JoAT with protective and investigative abilities. One named "Foxfire" that investigates undead. Claims commuted N1.
BBMolla: Unknown- Something that CCs xof
shos: Inuyasha (D)- Self-watching race detector. "Empathic Vig." Claims to have visited jiffy, learned that jiffy is a demon.
Y&B: Jijenji (D)- Friendly neighbor, claims visited always (blocked)
Lemniscate: Jakotsu (U)- scum non-consecutive ninja. Claimed Kocho (U)- Mason.
BoP: Hakudoshi (D)- Ascetic
AIR: Ryukotsusei (D)- Vanilla
ActionDan: Unknown- Something that implies multiball and references the band of seven somehow.

This is incredibly helpful. Thank you.

[The Goat]

Xof's claim was over 2000 posts ago, why are you just now questioning the thematic congruence?

Yes. What part of "I'm not familiar with the theme" is unclear?

Again: I saw the question posed. I did not see an answer. I wanted one.

[The Goat]

Xof's claim was over 2000 posts ago, why are you just now questioning the thematic congruence?

Yes. What part of "I'm not familiar with the theme" is unclear?

Again: I saw the question posed. I did not see an answer. I wanted one.

Were you more familiar with the theme 2000 posts ago?

Stop dodging the question.

I just want to say that seeing the phrase "thematic congruence" in a mafia game made my day.

I do what I can.

I'm not dodging any questions. Stop misrepresenting what I'm doing.

I was not familiar with the theme 10 minutes ago, 200 posts ago, 2000 posts ago, when I was a teenager, or a toddler, or an embryo. How is that even remotely related to me wanting to see an answer to a question that someone else asked?

[The Goat]

Oh.

I misread the first question above. Apparently multiple times. I read it as "Xof's claim was over 2000 posts ago, but you're just now questioning the thematic congruence?"

[The Goat]

More appropriate answer: I'm questioning it now because I saw BBMolla's post, and it made me think about it further, and ask about it. When I saw xof's claim, it seemed a little...disjointed...but I didn't really give it a whole lot of thought as to whether it made sense as a town role...because I have no familiarity with the theme.

[The Goat]

I'm not dodging any questions. Stop misrepresenting what I'm doing.

I was not familiar with the theme 10 minutes ago, 200 posts ago, 2000 posts ago, when I was a teenager, or a toddler, or an embryo. How is that even remotely related to me wanting to see an answer to a question that someone else asked?

It still doesn't compute that the claim was 2000 posts ago and you had no questions about it

then.

So yes, you are dodging. And no, I'm not misrepresenting anything.

Oh.

I misread the first question above. Apparently multiple times. I read it as "Xof's claim was over 2000 posts ago, but you're just now questioning the thematic congruence?"

Even if you read it that way, you dodged the question...

Which you still aren't answering, by the way.

p-edit need another post for this one.

I have no idea why I didn't question it then. Would you like me to make something up for you?

[The Goat]

I have no idea why I didn't question it then. Would you like me to make something up for you?

No, you're scum, it's ok.

I can't tell if you're trying to badger me for the sake of badgering me, or if you're genuinely being a jackass.

[The Goat]

Claims summary for those who don't read:

MDT: Abi (D)- Ninja enabler/ tracker miller (puppet). Additional mystery power. Can vanillaize self.
Jiffy: Ryujin (D)- Ninja enabler/ tracker miller (puppet)
NS: Kohaku (H)- Ninja enabler/ tracker miller (puppet)
Xofelf: Shippo (D)- 9-ability JoAT with protective and investigative abilities. One named "Foxfire" that investigates undead. Claims commuted N1.
BBMolla: Unknown- Something that CCs xof
shos: Inuyasha (D)- Self-watching race detector. "Empathic Vig." Claims to have visited jiffy, learned that jiffy is a demon.
Y&B: Jijenji (D)- Friendly neighbor, claims visited always (blocked)
Lemniscate: Jakotsu (U)- scum non-consecutive ninja. Claimed Kocho (U)- Mason.
BoP: Hakudoshi (D)- Ascetic
AIR: Ryukotsusei (D)- Vanilla
ActionDan: Unknown- Something that implies multiball and references the band of seven somehow.

Hey does a VT fit the theme?

What about a ninja?

Holy shit are there friendly neighbors in the show?

Why are you only questioning the JOAT, Goat?

Because I saw BBMollas post about it, searched for an answer, and didn't find one. I did not read it as non-serious.

That's really all I have for you.

If you'd like to go more in-depth about the friendly neighbors and ninja, that'll be awesome.

Regarding the VT part, your sarcasm is weak and needs polishing.

Would you also like to discuss the aforementioned proposition that not all of the demon puppets are town, or would you like that conversation to disappear amongst a slew of silly questions about minutia?

[The Goat]

I've already addressed that it makes no sense for a puppet to be scum.

Is it okay with you if I go try to take a look at it? Or did it happen too many posts ago?

[The Goat]

Flail harder.

You misspelled "antagonize."

[The Goat]

All this aside, I'm sticking with one of my original gut scum reads.

[The Goat]

The thematic incongruence of xof's claim is that foxfire as an investigative ability is ridiculous. It's also crazy that shippo would be an investigator at all.

The play incongruence is that it is not a town mindset that commutes in the situation she was in. She should have had no fear of an NK (or be happy to be NKed given the suspicion on her slot). If she really believed she was a super likely NK, she'd also have expected protection and proceeded to do something useful. It would be reasonable maybe to hold back on using a really good ability for fear of a roleblock, but then she'd have done something that would have indicated to her that she was blocked (which would also have given us more information on Y&B).

Hey, I didn't write my role. If you think that shit is ridiculous, talk to Ceph about it. It's all part of my role.
And how is me dying helpful to the town? And why on earth would i be happy to do it? I much prefer to be in the game than out of it thank you very much. And no, with the wagon that happened on me D1, I was NOT expecting anyone to protect me. I explained the reasons I commuted, but I guess you don't think that's good enough? Sorry I'm not playing my role the way YOU would.

What's utterly terrifying to me is that I was just in a Werewolf game as the head BG, (claiming an Indy role) and responded to someone with "Hey, if you don't like the way something is worded in my role, talk to the mod."

It didn't work out well.

[The Goat]

Hey guys, there's 3 days left.

Noted that Goat is not voting and his pattern.


Reads please Goat.

Pretty sure I'm voting Mist. (Am I not voting for Mist?) I believe that is the way to go.

I am currently town reading Majiffy, shos, Y&B, Always.
I do not understand NS's hostility (as I perceive it). It's making me think he is chainsawing.
I am believing xofelf less and less.

I think some wonderful data will be available from the D1 and D2 wagons.

[The Goat]

Majiffy, I am seeing something different with Goat. They are unlikely to be lynched today though. I need to discuss what I saw with PV what I saw. Just in case I die, a crumb for you/Mala. Read Goat as if I subbed in from Day 5 or later. Do my first usual step.

You should see what I see.

...

...well, now *I'm* curious to see what it is I did. I eager await your analysis.

I think this is my frustration with this site sometimes...the overanalysis of minutia. I understand scumhunting, and I understand the need to sift through information.

But at times, a person coming in and saying something to the extent of "Hey...sorry I haven't contributed...I have no idea what the hell is going on...what the hell does this mean?"

really just is a person coming in who hasn't contributed much, and is trying to figure out what the hell is going on.

Many of you seem like very intelligent people, but at times I think you miss the forest for the trees.

[The Goat]

Goat, name your biggest scumreads.

Mist.
xofelf.

[The Goat]

Goat, why are you assuming minuate when I haven't commented on what I saw?

Where is your push on scumreads?

Re: First sentence, I wasn't referring to you for the most part.

Re: Second sentence. I'm voting for Mist. I just replied to xofelf's "if you don't like it, talk to the mod" post. What were you looking for?

[The Goat]

vote: Mist

unvote

until Icerink flips.

Also, what was the point? How would your vote on Mist be affected by Ice flip?

~P

I think that many things are based on flips. If AIR flipped scum, everything changes as far as early reads go.

[The Goat]

Random thoughts at post 674 (end of p. 27):

I'm townreading Majiffy thus far. I remember him being more arrogant as scum. Yes, really.
Nero is playing differently than the games I remember with him. Will have to go back and check how long ago that was, and what his alignment was.
Icerint/AP is pinging the ever-loving holy crap out of my Goatdar.
Y&B is a fluffier poster than I am. And that's saying something.

I really can't say anything that wouldn't leave scorch marks on the server.

Do something useful.

Fair enough. I just iso-ed myself, and that's deserved.

Here's what I've got stored in my head from following somewhat lackadaisically, without referencing exact posts.

I'm getting a strong town-read on Majiffy, but he's tunneling like a mofo. His stubbornness actually made me LESS likely to vote shos until the last page or so.
I'm also getting strong town reads on SG, Nero and Mastin; their interactions read like "I'm smarter than you" town on town action.

TSO/replacement did something mid-day that pinged me.
Sven is officially freaking me out now. He's playing differently in other games, even "D1 with no data" play is different.

Also, I see your Mylanta based townreads. But, with 160 pages of juicy goodness, that should be backed up or contested by actual content. So, refine these townreads, and what others do you have?

~P

Random thoughts at post 674 (end of p. 27):

I'm townreading Majiffy thus far. I remember him being more arrogant as scum. Yes, really.
Nero is playing differently than the games I remember with him. Will have to go back and check how long ago that was, and what his alignment was.
Icerint/AP is pinging the ever-loving holy crap out of my Goatdar.
Y&B is a fluffier poster than I am. And that's saying something.

I really can't say anything that wouldn't leave scorch marks on the server.

Do something useful.

Fair enough. I just iso-ed myself, and that's deserved.

Here's what I've got stored in my head from following somewhat lackadaisically, without referencing exact posts.

I'm getting a strong town-read on Majiffy, but he's tunneling like a mofo. His stubbornness actually made me LESS likely to vote shos until the last page or so.
I'm also getting strong town reads on SG, Nero and Mastin; their interactions read like "I'm smarter than you" town on town action.

TSO/replacement did something mid-day that pinged me.
Sven is officially freaking me out now. He's playing differently in other games, even "D1 with no data" play is different.

Also, I see your Mylanta based townreads. But, with 160 pages of juicy goodness, that should be backed up or contested by actual content. So, refine these townreads, and what others do you have?

~P

Yes...I'm working on doing that. That involves asking questions. Those questions are what led to this entire cf of a day in the first place.

Hence my frustration. Here's what's occurred today, from my POV.

"Hey...what's going on? I'm a little behind. What's this about over here?"
"WHAT DID YOU ASK THAT QUESTION FOR, SCUM?"
"You know what? Never mind."
"WHY AREN'T YOU GIVING MORE DETAILED READS?"
"How about you all go #### yourselves?"

You're just going to have to deal for a little bit.

Regarding the "asking more questions" bit, what's the deal with the big-ass wagon on you?

[The Goat]

Whoops. Not quite sure how I double-quoted.

[The Goat]

vote: Mist

unvote

until Icerink flips.

Also, what was the point? How would your vote on Mist be affected by Ice flip?

~P

I think that many things are based on flips. If AIR flipped scum, everything changes as far as early reads go.

OK, then you can save me from extra clicking by showing my where your early scumread of Mist was and where it came from. From that, I'm sure I'll be able to understand how it would be affected by an Ice scumflip.

~P

I already stated that Mist was a gut read. It's something that I got from a reread a week or two ago. Someone else had listed him as being scummy, so I checked him out, and he seemed town.

Regarding unvoting until after the flip, like I said...if AIR flipped scum, everything needed a reread.

[The Goat]

vote: Mist

unvote

until Icerink flips.

Also, what was the point? How would your vote on Mist be affected by Ice flip?

~P

I think that many things are based on flips. If AIR flipped scum, everything changes as far as early reads go.

OK, then you can save me from extra clicking by showing my where your early scumread of Mist was and where it came from. From that, I'm sure I'll be able to understand how it would be affected by an Ice scumflip.

~P

I already stated that Mist was a gut read. It's something that I got from a reread a week or two ago. Someone else had listed him as being scummy, so I checked him out, and he seemed

not-so-town.

Regarding unvoting until after the flip, like I said...if AIR flipped scum, everything needed a reread.

EBWOP.

[The Goat]

Random thoughts at post 674 (end of p. 27):

I'm townreading Majiffy thus far. I remember him being more arrogant as scum. Yes, really.
Nero is playing differently than the games I remember with him. Will have to go back and check how long ago that was, and what his alignment was.
Icerint/AP is pinging the ever-loving holy crap out of my Goatdar.
Y&B is a fluffier poster than I am. And that's saying something.

I really can't say anything that wouldn't leave scorch marks on the server.

Do something useful.

Fair enough. I just iso-ed myself, and that's deserved.

Here's what I've got stored in my head from following somewhat lackadaisically, without referencing exact posts.

I'm getting a strong town-read on Majiffy, but he's tunneling like a mofo. His stubbornness actually made me LESS likely to vote shos until the last page or so.
I'm also getting strong town reads on SG, Nero and Mastin; their interactions read like "I'm smarter than you" town on town action.

TSO/replacement did something mid-day that pinged me.
Sven is officially freaking me out now. He's playing differently in other games, even "D1 with no data" play is different.

Also, I see your Mylanta based townreads. But, with 160 pages of juicy goodness, that should be backed up or contested by actual content. So, refine these townreads, and what others do you have?

~P

Yes...I'm working on doing that. That involves asking questions. Those questions are what led to this entire cf of a day in the first place.

Hence my frustration. Here's what's occurred today, from my POV.

"Hey...what's going on? I'm a little behind. What's this about over here?"
"WHAT DID YOU ASK THAT QUESTION FOR, SCUM?"
"You know what? Never mind."
"WHY AREN'T YOU GIVING MORE DETAILED READS?"
"How about you all go #### yourselves?"

You're just going to have to deal for a little bit.

Goat: "Hey...what's going on? I'm a little behind. What's this about over here?"
Birds: "Hey, wow, a The Goat sighting. Let's see if he's scum or town through as direct interaction as we can get on a forum-based game."
Birds-T: "I think he's scum. His votes suck and he hasn't been scumhunting."
Birds-P: "His iso does suck, let's see what he says about it, and his other reads."
Goat: "You know what? Never mind."
Birds: "Mist looks like mislynch bait, and may or may not be town. Xelf claimed town superdude. 28 player game. Who are your other reads?"
Goat: ""How about you all go #### yourselves?"

Why the bad attitude about being asked questions?

It's not the questions. It's the overanalysis of minutia. It drives me bonkers.

[The Goat]

vote: Mist

unvote

until Icerink flips.

Also, what was the point? How would your vote on Mist be affected by Ice flip?

~P

I think that many things are based on flips. If AIR flipped scum, everything changes as far as early reads go.

OK, then you can save me from extra clicking by showing my where your early scumread of Mist was and where it came from. From that, I'm sure I'll be able to understand how it would be affected by an Ice scumflip.

~P

I already stated that Mist was a gut read. It's something that I got from a reread a week or two ago. Someone else had listed him as being scummy, so I checked him out, and he seemed not-so-town.

Regarding unvoting until after the flip, like I said...if AIR flipped scum, everything needed a reread.

But if Mist was a gut scumread, how does a Ice scumflip or an Ice townflip affect that Mist gutread?

~P

Because knowing that AIR was scum would influence

everything

pending a re-read. Interactions. Voting patterns. Everything.

[The Goat]

I think "gut" by definition doesn't really includes interactions, voting patterns. And you specified unvoting mist until seeing Ice flip, indicating some sort of direct correlation.

In addition, why would Ice flip scum? He was the NK, and the only one, and by *most* accounts would be expected to be town. It really would be a matter of what town role he was.

With that said, I'm now even more confused by your mist unvote and logic you gave for it.

~P

Fair enough. There have been quid a few games as of late in which I really don't understand the dynamics. While I've been on MS for a long time, I haven't played all that much until recently. When I first started playing, there were games in which there was...MAYBE a page of posts in an entire week. The dynamics of play and role types have changed a good bit. And I just don't understand how some of them interact.

That, plus...I don't process like most people.

[The Goat]

I think "gut" by definition doesn't really includes interactions, voting patterns. And you specified unvoting mist until seeing Ice flip, indicating some sort of direct correlation.

In addition, why would Ice flip scum? He was the NK, and the only one, and by *most* accounts would be expected to be town. It really would be a matter of what town role he was.

With that said, I'm now even more confused by your mist unvote and logic you gave for it.

~P

Fair enough. There have been quid a few games as of late in which I really don't understand the dynamics. While I've been on MS for a long time, I haven't played all that much until recently. When I first started playing, there were games in which there was...MAYBE a page of posts in an entire week. The dynamics of play and role types have changed a good bit. And I just don't understand how some of them interact.

That, plus...I don't process like most people.

Well, then you'll completely understand if we place you as a scumread. Some of what you said doesn't make sense from our town mindset, but maybe you'll redeem yourself through sheer brilliance once you process it out, get us to understand it, and lynch scum.

Of course. I think you'll also understand if others read it as an attempt to derail a current wagon.

And you have yet to see my brilliance. I assure you it's astonishing.

[The Goat]

It's not the questions. It's the overanalysis of minutia. It drives me bonkers.

You can say there is overanalysis going on, but right now we're not seeing any analysis from you, which is something

I'm

looking for.

For example- look at neil, look at Lemin, look at them together. What do you see?

~P

Processing. I do not like it when directed like that.

It's along the old PR adage of, "People can't tell you what to think...but they can certainly try to tell you what to think

about.

"

[The Goat]

I think "gut" by definition doesn't really includes interactions, voting patterns. And you specified unvoting mist until seeing Ice flip, indicating some sort of direct correlation.

In addition, why would Ice flip scum? He was the NK, and the only one, and by *most* accounts would be expected to be town. It really would be a matter of what town role he was.

With that said, I'm now even more confused by your mist unvote and logic you gave for it.

~P

Fair enough. There have been quid a few games as of late in which I really don't understand the dynamics. While I've been on MS for a long time, I haven't played all that much until recently. When I first started playing, there were games in which there was...MAYBE a page of posts in an entire week. The dynamics of play and role types have changed a good bit. And I just don't understand how some of them interact.

That, plus...I don't process like most people.

Well, then you'll completely understand if we place you as a scumread. Some of what you said doesn't make sense from our town mindset, but maybe you'll redeem yourself through sheer brilliance once you process it out, get us to understand it, and lynch scum.

Of course. I think you'll also understand if others read it as an attempt to derail a current wagon.

And you have yet to see my brilliance. I assure you it's astonishing.

Let them. I am scumreading neil so can lynch him first. Besides, your going to wash that scumread right outta my hair with your brilliance.

Right now, you are a piece of coal. We will pressure you into diamondhood.

So, when can we expect a sneak peek of brilliance?

~P

When I'm damned good and ready.

[The Goat]

Responding and noticing something does not equal derailing. We are the ones who have picked one of the three major wagons. You have been lurking.

You have no analysis or trajectory.

We aren't voting you

and Y and B

because of the deadline. Period.

~Titus

What?

[The Goat]

Also, side note:

Due to the incased pace of play here, the whole, "we're not lynching X because there's a deadline in 3 days" is complete BS.

There's absolutely no reason genuine scum hunting can't occur in that window.

What are you referring to with Y&B? Please note that I'm working/multitasking.

[The Goat]

When I'm damned good and ready.

it's already day2 and 160 pages. When do you approximately think you'll be ready for a sneak peek?

~P

Approximately?

Day five.

[The Goat]

It's not the questions. It's the overanalysis of minutia. It drives me bonkers.

You can say there is overanalysis going on, but right now we're not seeing any analysis from you, which is something

I'm

looking for.

For example- look at neil, look at Lemin, look at them together. What do you see?

~P

Processing. I do not like it when directed like that.

It's along the old PR adage of, "People can't tell you what to think...but they can certainly try to tell you what to think

about.

"

Well, I do prefer topical, since by definition it's current events.

But, willing to listen to alternate theories.

~P

Fair.

What do you think of xofelf's claim?

[The Goat]

Goat is so fucking town it hurts, BoP's attack is terrible

Lol, this!!! ^^^^^^^^^

I want Mist or this bird creature to die today. Yep, that's how it's going to be. Plus, the bird people aren't even reading the game. They've missed the obvious hints and someone even clearing me and showing I'm confirmed town... or rather, they just don't care? Either way, they need to die.

Damn I wish I was a vig.

I will admit, despite the friendly nature toward me...

...it made my skin absolutely crawl. Jebus.

[The Goat]

Goat is so fucking town it hurts, BoP's attack is terrible

Lol, this!!! ^^^^^^^^^

I want Mist or this bird creature to die today. Yep, that's how it's going to be. Plus, the bird people aren't even reading the game. They've missed the obvious hints and someone even clearing me and showing I'm confirmed town... or rather, they just don't care? Either way, they need to die.

Damn I wish I was a vig.

Like you just cleared Goat & Molla cleared Goat? Why can't I just eat my bullshitburger and like it.....?

Uh no.

~P

If I read correctly, some others are aware of what he's talking about, and seem to back him

I have no idea what he's on about.

[The Goat]

Goat is so fucking town it hurts, BoP's attack is terrible

Lol, this!!! ^^^^^^^^^

I want Mist or this bird creature to die today. Yep, that's how it's going to be. Plus, the bird people aren't even reading the game. They've missed the obvious hints and someone even clearing me and showing I'm confirmed town... or rather, they just don't care? Either way, they need to die.

Damn I wish I was a vig.

I will admit, despite the friendly nature toward me...

...it made my skin absolutely crawl. Jebus.

Why? I wasn't trying to be creepy or dangerous...

P. Edit: I didn't clear Goat. I'm saying, I can see Goat as town more than you. And your attack is absolutely terrible.

I was referring to BBMolla's post. Don't exactly know why, but it pinged the Goatdar.

As irritating as what has occurred today has been for me...it makes sense.

If BoP is scum...he's playing it incredibly cool. I won't be voting him today.

[The Goat]

Can we lynch Mist now?

A better question...does anyone have anything 100% more compelling than my gut?

[The Goat]

Goat, your gut isn't compelling. You should vote for HighShroomish, or give a good reason why not.

It doesn't work like that.

Why am I going to vote HighShroomish?

[The Goat]

We have all acknowledged that I haven't been keeping up. Let's move on.

[The Goat]

Keep Calm and Read my Post. Kthx.

I have.

The problem with replying on "being burned in past games" is that it skews your perspective.

[The Goat]

"relying," not "replying."

Can a Goat get a VC up in this place?

[The Goat]

Did I get accused of chainsawing myself?

Not that I recall.

But if you want to break out into the "Go ahead, vote me...I dare you" thing again, I found that entertaining.

[The Goat]

That went horribly.

Prohawk-

I was on lemni before you, before anyone, when the slot was known as rhaego.

Get you facts straight or shut the fuck up.

[The Goat]

We are not immune to "killing actions". The mod isn't being clearer than that. I'm not sure if being clearer than that isn't just a boon for scum at this point anyway.

I'm sure you don't give a rat's ass...but I find this random need to explain this to be the towniest thing in the history of town.

[The Goat]

All of those on Neil and Shroomish should trust my gut. Really. Move to Mist. I pinky swear I'm town, and have the best interests of town at heart.

If I'm wrong...you can hold my gut personally responsible.

[The Goat]

VOTE:mIST

lets get one more vote then hear a claim.

What do you think a claim will accomplish?

I'd like to vote for mist before I go to sleep so someone can unvote before I do or I can just hammer her.

Please do not do this.

[The Goat]

unvote

to avoid lunatic hammering.

[The Goat]

Mist wagon gained unexpected momentum after I voted shroomish and made it the lead wagon.

Not voting mist.

Well, don't vote Mist right this MOMENT...

[The Goat]

you do know that Abomination is scum, right?

I was pondering that. I certainly want a claim before

anyone

hammers.

[The Goat]

VOTE:mIST

lets get one more vote then hear a claim.

What do you think a claim will accomplish?

I'd like to vote for mist before I go to sleep so someone can unvote before I do or I can just hammer her.

So we should just lynch without a claim? pfft

I mean, IDK, there's prob not enough time time get a counter wagon if we like her claim or w/e. I dislike some of the company but that could be scum bussing her...its just doesn't feel right to be like "i don't care about your claim or anything else you have to say and we are lynching you."

Why do you want her lynched without giving her a chance to claim/get any final thoughts out?

How long will you or anyone else wait for her to claim? Do you think she'll feasibly post considering her ISO?

Seeing as how she(?) last posted about four hours ago, and there are about 8 hours left before deadline...I think it's feasible. I hate lynches sans claim.

[The Goat]

I'm mostly worried well no lynch

your fears are super unjustified.

This. It's Sunday. I have nothing better to do than mow my lawn, work on my pond, drink beer, and keep an eye on this vote count.

[The Goat]

Who do you want me to kill tonight, Goat?

Whomever you please. If I had myself a gun, I'd probably hold my shot.

I should have better reads post-flip today.

[The Goat]

Votecount 2.13 by shos

Mist7676 12 (geists, Moogle Dance Troupe, neil1113, Squirrel Girl, xofelf, Lord Mhork, Birds of Prey, Oversoul, notscience, BulbaFenix, Nero Cain, shos)

HighShroomish 5 (Always, ProHawk, Majiffy, Abomination, ActionDan)

neil1113 3 (beastcharizard, HighShroomish, Mist7676)

Birds of Prey 1 (Young and Beautiful)
xofelf 1 (BBmolla)
Oversoul 1 (Egg)
Nero Cain 1 (Squirrel Girl)
Svenskt Stal 1 (Venmar)
Venmar 1 (Svenskt Stal)

not voting 1 (The Goat)

14 to lynch. Deadline: August 3, 3 PM EST.
(expired on 2014-08-03 23:00:00)

Goat, Y&B, Sven, and Venmar are not, and they've all posted lately.

You are very clearly not reading what I posted.

[The Goat]

I'm giving mist about an hour or so, and then my vote goes back on. I'm sure Nero's around somewhere as well. That should handle it.

[The Goat]

Bah. Nero's already on Mist. Never mind.

[The Goat]

T-30 min.

[The Goat]

For what? Deadline is in 4 hours.

Because I'm going to be waist-deep in a pond shortly, and I want to make sure a no-lynch does not happen.

[The Goat]

And it's 2.5 hours.

[The Goat]

vote: Mist

[The Goat]

The amount of time Mist remained at L-1 makes me feel good about a scum flip.

[The Goat]

Okay...I've read up a bit on the subject matter...and it still seems infinitely confusing.

To quote John Cusack, it appears my gut has shit for brains. Sorry, Mist.

Reviewing the past day, I'm feeling pretty confident that NS is town.

Vote Shroomish

[The Goat]

Why is NS town?

The tirade in his ISO from posts 3832-3901. It screams town to me.

[The Goat]

why the fuck does goat think I'm town

all I did yesterday was lurk and yell at majiffy for scumreading me

C'mon, you know you love me.

[The Goat]

Hey guys, can anyonefrom a computer tryand make a collectionof all the claimsso far? Because I amlosing track :/

Anyone who already claimed, please re claim for ease.

I am inuyasha, each night I can duel someone and get some ability, most likely vigging ability. This night i have to kill.

Claims summary for those who don't read:

MDT: Abi (D)- Ninja enabler/ tracker miller (puppet). Additional mystery power. Can vanillaize self.
Jiffy: Ryujin (D)- Ninja enabler/ tracker miller (puppet)
NS: Kohaku (H)- Ninja enabler/ tracker miller (puppet)
Xofelf: Shippo (D)- 9-ability JoAT with protective and investigative abilities. One named "Foxfire" that investigates undead. Claims commuted N1.
BBMolla: Unknown- Something that CCs xof
shos: Inuyasha (D)- Self-watching race detector. "Empathic Vig." Claims to have visited jiffy, learned that jiffy is a demon.
Y&B: Jijenji (D)- Friendly neighbor, claims visited always (blocked)
Lemniscate: Jakotsu (U)- scum non-consecutive ninja. Claimed Kocho (U)- Mason.
BoP: Hakudoshi (D)- Ascetic
AIR: Ryukotsusei (D)- Vanilla
ActionDan: Unknown- Something that implies multiball and references the band of seven somehow.

I think that's it.

And for the love of God, someone get shos a new space bar.

[The Goat]

Oh my gawd, I just sorta town vibed on Nero.
Someone get me some liquid hazelnuts, stat.

One day pass for you for beer prowess.

If you like that, you should check out Abita's Pecan Harvest.

[The Goat]

Wow just caught scum red handed.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Nero Cain

He's not a vig, he didn't get blocked, he doesn't have a shot... he's a liar. A lying scum that now officially needs to die.

You should stop this immediately. I'm 75% sure Nero is town. I'm 75% sure you are town.

[The Goat]

Okay. I think we've all filled up our "vouching for Nero" quota.

[The Goat]

Note to self: Cross-reference this Shroomish stall with off-voters/late voters on the Lemniscate lynch.

[The Goat]

Goat did you ever answer what about my play yesterday (which was blatantly to my scum meta, btw)

Has made you think I'm town

Yes. Yes I did. ISO me.

[The Goat]

or...just read this.

Why is NS town?

The tirade in his ISO from posts 3832-3901. It screams town to me.

[The Goat]

That's so easily fakable

how the fuck does that read town

Well, then, I guess you're a better faker than me. How about...if you don't like me town-reading you, you can kiss my fuzzy white butt? Does that work better?

[The Goat]

regardless of alignment, you are a moron. ScumSG is sitting there and defending the fuck out of you with bullshit reasoning and you are just sitting there and ignoring her and EVERYTHING that's going on in this game in favor of "Nero is scum for x" and that's basically all you've said all game. Personally, I think you are pretty scummy but if you are town you'd be such a small lose, I mean fuck, even Goat is being more useful than you are.

YEAH!

Wait....

[The Goat]

Rereading the end of day 1, the end of the Lemniscate wagon:

The following people look remarkably town:
Nero

The following people look town:
BoP

The following people look bad:
Mhork
Sven

The following people look remarkably bad:
Abomination


There are probably arguments to be made for others, but those stuck out to me.

Also, did everyone forget that Mhork wanted AiR dead at the end of Day 1...and then AiR got dead a the beginning of D2?

[The Goat]

Alright night's vig is going to be either of {notscience, Bulbafenix}

Hear me.

You are absolutely, positively, not vigging NS tonight.

If you do, I will slaughter you and throw your worthless carcass into the street.

Okay?

[The Goat]

Actually...

you know what?

unvote, vote Mhork.

This feels right.

[The Goat]

Why the fuck are you voting yourself NS?

Also this game is still silly and absurd. I still have no clue what shos has actually claimed.

I was voting myself yesterday, why is this an issue to you today?

I know exactly what NS is doing. It matches my role. It's a great idea too.

Shos, you should

NOT

vig NS.

Also, we should not lynch NS.

I'm debating outing this because town needs to know about it but at the same time some people might misuse it

No kidding, you moron. Would you stop voting yourself and look?

[The Goat]

I get to pick who hammers me though.

How about me?

[The Goat]

So...all else aside, we've got this...maybe...

Town:

Me
NS
Molla (?) (ns - why are you so convinced he's town?)
Shos

[The Goat]

K then, I guess I'm doing this.

ATTENTION

Some of us have shards. These shards are transferred based on lynching/who kills us.

It says we don't want scum to get all of them. So, if you have a shard and aren't someone who's already claimed it, DO NOT CLAIM IT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

From this point on, we need to have town evaluate potential hammerers so we don't end up giving them to scum that way.

Just...why? Why the fuck did you do this?

[The Goat]

Goddammit.

[The Goat]

NS...I'm pretty sure scum already knew their win con. What they DIDN'T know is that you had a shard. Now they know. They also know about Neil.

[The Goat]

I don't actually have shards, but from what I know, and from my role PM, I can support that they are in the game. And I knew NS was doing that, I'm not sure why ActionDan felt the need to state outright (including all the people who probably aren't reading this game, probably wouldn't have even noticed) that NS had one, it kinda blows my mind. I disagree like I said before that now was the time to come out and say that, I was trying to protect NS' shard for the time being. Unfortunately once it's outed, we can't do much...

My whole purpose was not to say I have a shard like NS, but that I knew where NS was coming from, and because of that we should NOT string him up. That simple.

Not everyone who knows about the shards has shards. I think that's a pretty safe statement.

[The Goat]

However...and I'm guessing here...I think that everyone who STARTED with shards is town.

[The Goat]

abomination is a great lynch to.

I can do this.

If you end up being scum, I'll be tragically upset. Well, not tragically. But a little upset.

[The Goat]

vote Abomination

[The Goat]

If you're a supersaint I'm not okay with it

If shards pass via lynch hammer, then that presumably would be why NS would want to hammer. Guessing logically, that scum/vig kills can also steal shards. Otherwise, I cannot see two hammers and your role would be nonsensical. Having a townie pick who they want to hammer is logical.

In fact, we all probably should do that. Scum cannot pick a fellow scum or the possibility to chain lynch runs high.

Due to my claim, I probably shouldn't hammer anyone.

I nominate Mala to be our designated hammerer.

?

[The Goat]

Yes?

Why?

[The Goat]

By the way, Mist did not have a shard.

[The Goat]

Yes?

Why?

I'm relatively sure she's town even though that is pending a couple of things.

Also you probably should have kept scum guessing about Mist.

I determined that them killing me to potentially acquire a shard that did not exist was not in the town's best interest.

[The Goat]

Yes?

Why?

I'm relatively sure she's town even though that is pending a couple of things.

Also you probably should have kept scum guessing about Mist.

Also, I do not like "potentially." I would like NS to hammer.

[The Goat]

I don't have much of an issue with going back to Shroom...as long as we lynch Abomination soon.

[The Goat]

This is the most informative wagon so far:

Mist7676 5 (geists, Serene2

, Kagami, neil1113, The Goat)

The 3 players in black each have a 32% probability of being scum.

It's a pity we don't have masons, they are a super-boon to the scumputer. We don't have a lot of flipped players for a Day 3.

Another informative wagon is this one:

Abomination 7 (shos,

Mist7676

, Young and Beautiful, notscience,

Lemniscate

, Oversoul, Nero Cain)

This wagon gives shos, Y&B, notscience, OS and NC a higher than random chance of being town.

Hi there, DGB.

I have played with you before, and am familiar with your style of coming in with your guns blazing, trying to flush scum. I've even seen you flush Majiffy from a game just by entering it.

However, this game, you are replacing a lurky scum slot, and your "probability" list sucks my fuzzy white ass.

If that was not clear enough, it's dead wrong.

Read more. Post less.

For now.

You'll thank me later.

[The Goat]

I'm up for a goat wagon.

Is there any way you could be more of an idiot?

This is a serious question.

[The Goat]

Tell you what, NS.

How about you barf all over yourself a little bit more about the shards, spill more useful information to scum, and then DOS the person who has pretty much sent you a direct message.

How about that?

How about, instead of getting out a megaphone and asking "WHY THE HELL IS GOAT READING ME AS TOWN? HEY, SCUM, IN CASE I DIDN'T JUST SET OFF A SIGNAL FLARE TO LOOK AT MY POSTS AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S VOUCHING FOR ME AND WHY, I'M GOING TO LIGHT MYSELF ON FIRE, LIE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE THREAD, AND DRAW ATTENTION TO SHIT!"

In the future, reading my posts to you instead of freaking the fuck out might be a viable alternative. I'm just saying,

[The Goat]

Tell you what, NS.

How about you barf all over yourself a little bit more about the shards, spill more useful information to scum, and then DOS the person who has pretty much sent you a direct message.

How about that?

How about, instead of getting out a megaphone and asking "WHY THE HELL IS GOAT READING ME AS TOWN? HEY, SCUM, IN CASE I DIDN'T JUST SET OFF A SIGNAL FLARE TO LOOK AT MY POSTS AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHO'S VOUCHING FOR ME AND WHY, I'M GOING TO LIGHT MYSELF ON FIRE, LIE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE THREAD, AND DRAW ATTENTION TO SHIT!"

In the future, reading my posts to you instead of freaking the fuck out might be a viable alternative. I'm just saying,

stop stealing my schtick

I do not steal. If your schtick is similar to my angst, you've either read my material, or we're related.

[The Goat]

I do not steal. If your schtick is similar to my angst, you've either read my material, or we're related.

DGB's not the one you gotta worry about here, Goat


you're MY scum read

It is incredibly difficult for me to convey how little of a shit I give about that.

Those who have actually been playing the game for more than 24 hours know that I am town.

Do what you feel you must.

[The Goat]

vote Serene2

Lets go, Sven replacement.

[The Goat]

oh you cheeky little scumfuck



don't you know this never ends well?

Why...did you have scum friends you wanted to bring with you?


There is absolutely, positively no way this ends well for you.

If *I* get run up, there's no way it ends well for the town.

But, please. Keep going. This is how vendettas get started, you moron.

[The Goat]

bring it motherfucker

<blank stare>

I just did.

[The Goat]

don't you fucking threaten me, neither


and you aint half good enough to get me mislynched, you ain't no greyICE

I've already stated what I'm doing. It really didn't involve you until you replaced in and started getting all gangsta.

I.
Told.
You.
To.
READ.

Seriously.

And then, if you want to come back and not act like a scum trying to chainsaw for no goddamn good reason, we can have a conversation.

Otherwise, stop being a jackass.

[The Goat]

ya derp speaking, shit-talking, scum-fucking dipshit

Wow. How drunk are you? This is a serious question.

[The Goat]

chainsaw? how the fuck can i chainsaw?


i'll leave the reading to DGB, fuck that

Well, then, fine. When the grownup gets back, I'll talk to her.

[The Goat]

god dammit goat i will not be ignored

Okay. What is it, specifically, that you want?

I'm not scum. How else can I help you?

[The Goat]

Did ou really get all boisterous for 15 minutes, then disappear?

[The Goat]

You nimrod.

Now *I* need to drink.

[The Goat]

look, i just got a stronger town read in about a page and a half on a slot that neither of us 3 were leaning town on



that's pretty fucking good if you ask me

This would be wonderful if I was not now scum reading you.

[The Goat]

DGB checking in.

Is there a reason why Lord Mhork and xofelf are still alive?

Bigger fish to fry and all that.

[The Goat]

DGB checking in.

Is there a reason why Lord Mhork and xofelf are still alive?

Bigger fish to fry and all that.

(1) I have been iso'ing the players according to their rank in the scumputer and Lord Mhork is the first one I've reached where I can't find any town tells.

(2) BBmolla counterclaimed xofelf with a very clear claim, and xofelf with a very muddled claim. BBmolla wants xofelf dead, xofelf likes to have it both ways. BBmolla has some shard stuff in his claim, xofelf does NOT????? My thought was that

she is scum hiding scummy details regarding shards

.

I've been increasingly less confident about xof's claim over the past day. I could go there as well.

Scum should not have shard details that are readily available to town. Just my opinion.

[The Goat]

So

As scum

I shared knowledge for town that I'm not sure every member of town has but I'm sure scum has

mmk.

I'm incredibly calmer than I was, but the bad play was not outting the information about the shards. The bad play was outting that you have one.

[The Goat]

unvote, vote Abomination.

can we kill this?

[The Goat]

unvote, vote Abomination.

can we kill this?

Why? Give me one good reason besides "hurr durr it's a 7 head hydra they should have the highest post-count" because A) That's stupid and B) we're barely three heads who are rarely around at the same time to sync up. So let's stop with this bullshit okay? And I'm not picking on you Goat, but other than Nero no one else has anything other than "they are a large hydra lol lynch em",

this is just a lazy wagon.

Shroomish is definitely scum, BoP is likely scum, you guys know where we stand on our scumreads. Do you honestly need us to spam the thread like everyone so DESPARATELY keeps pointing out that we're not? It's fucking ridiculous. "Oh lol Abomination isn't posting enough to our liking he must be scum" deal with it. Where is our scum intent? Where in our posts have we done anything to push scum agenda? This is a lazy scum driven wagon on us because no one can be assed to have some reads and push them.

And seriously Shroomish is practically taunting the thread with how scummy he is. How about that big post he did on Y&B to prove they are scum? Oh wait, he was just confirming his fake read. He had already drawn the conclusion before he went and did YnB's ISO. That's lazy scum pretending to scum hunt. That post was what a month ago now? Go read it, because it's all scum all the time.

Don't give me this shit that 'we don't post enough' because when we post (or when I post) it's fucking protown as shit.

Pick away, because you didn't read.

I said nothing about multi-heads or post count. You looked so scummy at the end of Day 1 it's ridiculous.

[The Goat]

Here. See?

Rereading the end of day 1, the end of the Lemniscate wagon:

The following people look remarkably town:
Nero

The following people look town:
BoP

The following people look bad:
Mhork
Sven

The following people look remarkably bad:
Abomination


There are probably arguments to be made for others, but those stuck out to me.

Also, did everyone forget that Mhork wanted AiR dead at the end of Day 1...and then AiR got dead a the beginning of D2?

[The Goat]

Pick away, because you didn't read.

I said nothing about multi-heads or post count. You looked so scummy at the end of Day 1 it's ridiculous.

*Accuses me of not reading....then proceeds to not read the post he quote. Where in that post did I say THE GOAT is basing his vote off of post-count? I said other players are doing it. Hell Y&B just made his entire argument that 'we're seven heads and should be posting more'. Shos just fucking said 'we're seven heads and should be posting more'.

Probably the part where you were addressing me directly. If you can't understand the inference from this, then just don't worry about it.

unvote, vote Abomination.

can we kill this?

Why? Give me one good reason besides "hurr durr it's a 7 head hydra they should have the highest post-count" because A) That's stupid and B) we're barely three heads who are rarely around at the same time to sync up. So let's stop with this bullshit okay? And I'm not picking on you Goat, but other than Nero no one else has anything other than "they are a large hydra lol lynch em",

this is just a lazy wagon.

[The Goat]

BB, why aren't you suspicious of The Goat?

*ping*

Oversoul, you've had four or five posts all game that even contained my name. You listed me as "could be scummy" with zero reasoning. Why on Earth would you ask someone else why they're not suspicious of me...when you've

expressed zero suspicion yourself?

That absolutely reeked of passive-aggressive scumminess.

[The Goat]

Unvote: Oversoul
Vote: Xofelf

I feel like people are forgetting the...y'know,

sorta semi-confirmed scum.

I am willing to see people debate between that and an Abomination lynch though, wheeee!

Could you lay this out for me as though I'm drinking early on a Friday?

[The Goat]

Unvote: Oversoul
Vote: Xofelf

I feel like people are forgetting the...y'know,

sorta semi-confirmed scum.

I am willing to see people debate between that and an Abomination lynch though, wheeee!

Could you lay this out for me as though I'm drinking early on a Friday?

[The Goat]

Double posted. Weird.

[The Goat]

Squirrel, semi confirmed? Can you elaborate on that?

I would submit that the role sounds like a pro-scum one. Like, the powers sound anti-town.
Also, I agree with BBMolla's statement that 2 Jacks are unusual and unlikely - and Xoelf's JOAT is one that is trying to pick up credability by mirroring (on one power) an effect afflicting all of BBMolla's powers - which also seems unlikely to me.

Do you like Xoelf's claim?

@Goat - there.

That's far from semi-confirmed scum. But thank you for elaborating.

[The Goat]

SG: What's your feeling on Abomination?

[The Goat]

No idea how the exactly got there.

Perhaps it's another one of her abilities.

*suspicious look*

[The Goat]

Unvote, Vote xofelf

For whatever reason. this scared the fuck out of me. Yes, I'm drunk.

Are you scum?

[The Goat]

This vote count is depressing. Couldn't lynch Shroomish last game day. Can't lynch him today, I wonder why....

Who would you prefer between the other wagons?

"Whom."

[The Goat]

Hh.

Egg, looking at your iso, you play a to like I do, just with less jackassery.

[The Goat]

Yeah, okay. Not my favorite option, but...

unvote, vote Xofelf.

[The Goat]

L-2.

I think there's a question that needs to be asked of Xofelf before this gets finished.

NS, you agree?

[The Goat]

unvote

pending the result of that question.

[The Goat]

Whether or not she has a shard.

I don't think she does, for reasons I'd like to keep to myself for now.

[The Goat]

Why the fuck would we want to ask that publicly?!?!

If we're lynching xof, why would we NOT? You want to just randomly finish the lynch, hope that Xof is lying, didn't have a shard, and gets hammered by someone who isn't scum?

[The Goat]

well, how will the answer to this question help you? all I can see is how it helps scum - they know if he had a shard, and if he did,

they know who NOW has the shard.

that is immensely stupid.

So...you're suggesting if someone is lynched and flips town, scum WOULDN'T target the person who hammered them, just in case they had a shard?

What I'm suggesting makes everyone accountable. There won't be any scum able to hide in "Oh, I didn't know she had a shard, and I hammered. Oops. I have a shard now."

Regarding the bolded, believe it or not, I've thought about this. if a town player has a shard, and they're about to be hammered, whats the better option? Relying on luck and hoping that whomever hammers is town, or getting someone widely viewed as town to do so, and hoping someone can protect said person?

[The Goat]

well, how will the answer to this question help you? all I can see is how it helps scum - they know if he had a shard, and if he did,

they know who NOW has the shard.

that is immensely stupid.

So...you're suggesting if someone is lynched and flips town, scum WOULDN'T target the person who hammered them

ANYWAY

, just in case they had a shard?

What I'm suggesting makes everyone accountable. There won't be any scum able to hide in "Oh, I didn't know she had a shard, and I hammered. Oops. I have a shard now."

Regarding the bolded, believe it or not, I've thought about this. if a town player has a shard, and they're about to be hammered, whats the better option? Relying on luck and hoping that whomever hammers is town, or getting someone widely viewed as town to do so, and hoping someone can protect said person?

[The Goat]

^EBWOP^

[The Goat]

Shos, I will absolutely move to Abomination again, as that read is actually a stronger scumread of mine than xofelf...but it didn't seem like it was going anywhere the first time I was on it.

[The Goat]

How about xofelf doesn't answer that question but we pick who hammers anyway and if someone else hammers, we treat them as confirmed scum

This would actually work as well...and it was my hope to see this as the end of the discussion.

But I wanted to have the discussion.

[The Goat]

well, how will the answer to this question help you? all I can see is how it helps scum - they know if he had a shard, and if he did,

they know who NOW has the shard.

that is immensely stupid.

So...you're suggesting if someone is lynched and flips town, scum WOULDN'T target the person who hammered them

ANYWAY

, just in case they had a shard?

What I'm suggesting makes everyone accountable. There won't be any scum able to hide in "Oh, I didn't know she had a shard, and I hammered. Oops. I have a shard now."

Regarding the bolded, believe it or not, I've thought about this. if a town player has a shard, and they're about to be hammered, whats the better option? Relying on luck and hoping that whomever hammers is town, or getting someone widely viewed as town to do so, and hoping someone can protect said person?

uh. why would you automatically assume that scum will always target the hammerer? if you give them 100% reason to, they probably will, but if you don't, they might not..? I can only assume that finding the shard is not *their wincon*, it just *helps*?

the idea is that NOBODY says if they have the shard. evenif you hammer and you get a shard, you don't say anything about it.

at all. ever. until you die and after that too. there's no benefit for town for this.

we

can

decide to have someone who is widely viewed as town do the hammer, yes. that's a good idea.

I suspect that there will be a point at which this information needs to come out. I do not know so, but at some point I think we're going to know what's been going on.

[The Goat]

That discussion may have led to her claiming she has or does not have a shard though. It's better to get to that end result before anything dumb happens. And the longer we wait to lynch, the easier it is for scum to come on and say "uhhh L-1, is our hammerer here? Fuck it. Deadline hammer". And now they could have a shard.

I still like Mala for the hammer.

I'm pretty sure Xof does not have a shard. (InuYasha Wiki is my friend.)

Your suggestion and points are valid. I did want to see how people reacted to that suggestion, though.

I would prefer NS to hammer all lynches, but I can see the danger of putting all of our shards in one basket, so to speak.

[The Goat]

Nero, do we know Molla is town?

Goat, so you were hoping she'd be caught fakeclaiming one when she was about to be lynched anyway?

No.

I just wanted to see how others reacted.

You, for what it's worth, reacted remarkably town.

[The Goat]

Oh did you do a thing? I wasn't paying attention.

That's because you've had your wang stuck in Shos all game. Don't worry about it.

[The Goat]

Unrelated musing while caffeinating: I hope that some day I get a Joat role. Just so I can have fun saying "Goat Joat."

[The Goat]

HOLY SHIT
I can confirm xof and kill bulba tomorrow night if I get protected today
The ability I got n1 will be able to confirm if his claimed abilitiea are indeed as he says

*blank stare*

Are you just now realizing this?

[The Goat]

wow xofelf, if you're town, you're as bad as town can be. not even fighting for yourself; and WHY THE FUCK DID YOU SAY THAT ABOUT THE ShARDS??? didn't we agree that this is information better kept silent? saying "I am town" is not helping your cause.

now that she claimed to not have a shard I reaaaaallly fucking want to lynch her.
VOTE: xofelf

@ EVERYBODY: IF IT WASN'T CLEAR:

DO NOT TALK ABOUT SHARDS

. EVER. AT ALL. LIKE ONGOING GAMES.

So...what are you trying to say?

[The Goat]

We're at L-2, yes?

[The Goat]

VOTE: Xof

Can someone please for the fourth fucking night in a row use an inv on shos

If it comes back ninjalike hes FUCKING NINJA SK

L-1.

I have no issues with Mala, NS, or Zippy the Wonder Horse hammering at this point, but I'd like to stick to a procedure.

[The Goat]

Abomination.

[The Goat]

I only want to hammer for this shard thing that I have no clue what it is. I think someone said the person who kills someone with a shard gets it or something like that. I don't know.

Good God.

This might be the scummiest post in the history of scumminess.