InuYasha Mafia (Game Over)

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

Ohai.

We're a strange sort of tracker/follower miller. We have an additional power that we can forfeit to stop being a miller.

Naraku is confirmed to be in the game by our role PM and he seems to be a modified ninja at the very least.

The verbiage of something in our PM implies that there are methods that people can be made to die outside of the conventional night kill/vig.

VOTE: shos

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

I am potentially a negative-utility town role. I would rather not expound any further on it at the moment because I'm not entirely certain as to the nuances outside of my control.

Carry on.

what a coincidence so am I!

Ohai.

We're a strange sort of tracker/follower miller. We have an additional power that we can forfeit to stop being a miller.

Naraku is confirmed to be in the game by our role PM and he seems to be a modified ninja at the very least.

The verbiage of something in our PM implies that there are methods that people can be made to die outside of the conventional night kill/vig.

VOTE: shos

what was the point of this post

Point of the first bit is that someone might "track us to a kill" that we had nothing to do with if I don't say it straight-out. I figured we weren't alone in this respect for flavor reasons, so I wanted it out there for that too. The above quote made me think that we had this in common, but your reaction to our post doesn't agree with that.

-kagami

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Vote Shos

Other scumreads are MDT, Beast, and Venmar. I think at least one of AD/Mhork is likely scum. I also think there is at least 1 scum on the Abomination wagon.

-Bulba

We agree that shos is scum, but why do you think that? And why venmar?

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Sesshomaru can easily go either way as alignment, and I think someone correctly pointed out that 3rd party, or even a sesshomaru & friends faction makes sense. He's not exactly a good guy.

But anyway, I was interested in bulbafenix's response specifically.

this is why I don't bother ego-posting.

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Spoiler: us

Ohai.

We're a strange sort of tracker/follower miller. We have an additional power that we can forfeit to stop being a miller.

Naraku is confirmed to be in the game by our role PM and he seems to be a modified ninja at the very least.

The verbiage of something in our PM implies that there are methods that people can be made to die outside of the conventional night kill/vig.

VOTE: shos

Spoiler: mhork

Your posts just don't read as much of the chill xof I'm used to. You seem more nervous and unsure. Like, ready to leap on people questioning you. I'm thinking about it.

Yo Dan.

That is the only role that would know about multi factions

.

Lols.

I'm going to give you 1 more post until I perma vote you.

AD, why does our role/post indicate multiple factions?

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

It implies that only if we had prior knowledge that there exists a scum faction that does not include Naraku.

If I had thought our role implied multiball, I'd have included that in the post.

What do you think about 90?

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The verbiage of something in our PM implies that there are methods that people can be made to die outside of the conventional night kill/vig.

FTR, it's this that implies another killing method that isn't a night kill or vig that suggests another faction uses it.

I can see that, though I would think it a little odd for an entire faction to have a non-standard kill type. It's also possible the hedgy-ness is to include PGO kills or the like (in fact, if there's a PGO in the game, that would make a huge amount of sense, though someone surely would have claimed it).

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On a more serious note, I do think shos is scum.

- b -

On a serious note, where's your vote?

You really find a PL better than someone you think is scum?

Marry: beastcharizard

Disclaimer: Donnel x Maribelle is a terrible marriage which wastes Donnel and makes Brady useless. Donnel x Kjelle, Henry/Lon'qu x Maribelle. gg.

Idgi

Is this an inside joke?

So will you use it?

guys abom has too little votes.

So much actual game to talk about yet you keep doing this.

AD's basically conftown,

Explain this, please.

This is just faulty logic. I haven't actually seen the hydra be anti town yet. In contrast it helped exit RVS really quickly. Controversy is protown.

I like this quote x1000

Faulty logic is faulty. Let's be real: all hydra's have dissonance. By that logic, all y'all should be voted out.

This one, too.

Damn, you're reasonable! You sure Mafia is the game for you?

~Kaze

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Idgi

Is this an inside joke?

Nevermind this is fucking Fire Emblem okay I get it!

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

Hold hold hold it.

Always, how do you have a townread on Egg before they posted?

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alright welel I'll get this later

ok, so I have a new theory about shos, but it still means we should run him up.

me

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Why on earth would that be clear?

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I still want the shos lynch. I don't feel whatever subtle thing mastin feels.

It's hard to imagine any intent behind shos's initial post other than to out the actual possessor of the sesshomaru flavor, which is likely a strong PR. No inuyasha fan would include sesshomaru in the game without him being an awesome role.

Nobody's touching on what I really disliked about 90. It's 100% obvious that flavor and alignment are related from our win condition alone. Though maybe it's more obvious to us because of the naraku thing, I don't think it's any coincidence that absolutely no one, out of 28 players, expressed a similar sentiment.

My theory is that the connection really wasn't clear to shos, because he is not town and is also not part of the scumgroup that includes naraku. Since it couldn't be sesshomaru and pals, the second scumgroup has to be something funky like koga et al or some other miscellaneous group of demons. To them, it might not be at all apparent that alignment and flavor are related, since they would be scum without a terribly scummy flavor.

Alternatively, it could have been a really clumsy and unnecessary crumb, but there's no harm in wagoning that either.

@mastin, I get that you like to include ridiculous reads in your lists, but sakura hadn't even confirmed her PM according to the OP.

-kagami

:<

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

3. shos
6. Katsuki
7. Sakura Hana
16. Majiffy
20. Clyton
21. Abomination (Who, Axxle, Haylen, MTD, T-Bone, ika, & BipolarChemist)
26. xofelf
28. Klick
^
so who wants to help me kill who?

Why do you include sakura on this list and not the goat?

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

I don't get it.
If I am lynched for 'claiming sesshumaru' I am gonna lol at you all with .y finger pointed at your nose

You will never lynch me if I claim. Lets halt at that. So if you guys are willing to, grab some more votes and Ill xlaim so we dont waste time

I take it my alternative theory is correct or nearly so?

-kagami

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AD's basically conftown,

Explain this, please.

Have you

seen

his posting?

He couldn't get closer to conftown than he is.

Hold hold hold it. Always, how do you have a townread on Egg before they posted?

Same way I have a scumread on the Birds before they've posted:
I'm MASTIN.
It's what I do.

I hate how the first statement is hilariously Mastintown and the second is hilariously Mastinscum.

Stop that.

The policy lynch is soooooo dumb. The slot is gonna be vidged anyway.

Exactly!

Town

Avatar (con)fusion = town?

VOTE: lecerint

Are you Scum?

I'm starting to dislike you.

I don't like Iec's 417.

Explain?

Okay, Rhaego and you are not working in tandem. You didn't deny that you're scum though, so thanks for letting us know that Rhaego isn't on your team.

I can read you like a book, sir TheSexiOne.

Uhm.

I'm finding it difficult to take you seriously.

I figured...

With a name like that

Can someone tell me if paling around and making jokes is indicative of alignment for Egg? I'm too lazy to read old games right now.

I like Mist for town after asking if the RVS was still RVS in her catchup post.

I don't quite follow.

^really town

Disagreement.

One of the defining traits of a multiball game is that a town player getting wagoned gets wagoned more easily, since both scumteams can be scumhunting and think that player scum.
And equally as defining a trait is that a scum player getting wagoned is much more difficult to wagon, since one team is going to try and keep their scumbuddy alive at all costs.

There's also the possibility you're failing to recognize - the scum in question are reluctant to extend a helping hand to their failing scumpartner.

I mean, consider the current state of the game at the moment. Like mentioned, the game feels relatively RVSy and easy-going still. Now, how would it look if a scumpartner tried to defend shos at this stage of the game, even subtly?

Also worth mentioning is that this is a fucking HUGE game and despite having something like eight votes shos is far from in danger of being lynched and not in need of saving in the slightest bit.

~Kaze

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What would happen if you did?

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You will never lynch me if I claim. Lets halt at that.

I won't get lynched or killed actually. it's just useless lol. I won't even need to claim -_-; but seriously, why am I being voted.? anyone at all..?

I don't think anyone commented on these. We need to challenge this soft-claim.

This is the only reason I'm not unvoted, I pretty much just want him to pop it at this point.

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

I interpret his play as belonging to a specific character-PR combo, and I see no real harm in confirming that.

.

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

Someone talk me through where I should be looking.

Because I'm looking at Rhaego.

Hi, Nat.

What do you see there, aside from the obvious?

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

Nat, can your hydra and my hydra fuse ala voltron into an awesome, scumfighting machine?

I'll let you be the head.


pedit -

votecount, please!

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The "sesshumaru fishing" case is bad.

I can follow his train of thought and his increased frustration in this matter, I would say, based on this alone, that he is more likely to be town.

If there is another case against him speak now or forever hold your peace.

Agreed that the sesshomaru part is kind of bad-ish, though it is a very strange and stupid thing to do. My vote on shos was for his awkward opinion that "flavor and alignment are unrelated" in 90, which only makes sense to me if he's either a really scummy flavor that's town aligned or a town-ish flavor that's scum aligned. Usually the former is accompanied by a flavor claim. We know one group of scum includes naraku (probably naraku and his incarnations), but it's hard to come up with another group of characters who are obviously scummy, suggesting the latter is reasonably likely.

Anyway, shos's confidence that his claim makes him unlynchable suggests that it probably does. My best theory at this point is that he's kagome and is an IC, which basically fits with

everything

he's said/done so far, so I kind of just want him to pop it if that's right so we can move on.

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

You need a big tall glas of

"Never theorize before you have data. Invariably, you end up twisting facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."

But...I thought we were playing mafia? D:

Can we get some more votes on rhaego please? They are super scummy.

Why are they "super" scummy, again?

No regurgitating Nat's reasons, either.

~

I think NC v. AngryIcerink is Town v Town.

The signal:noise ratio from YnB is astounding and should be rectified immediately.

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Ok, so flavor gaming for a second. Firstly, inuyasha is not a flavor IC. Frozen and Tales of Vesperia mafia featured the primary protagonist as a scum fake-claim (and that's just off the top of my head, it actually seems quite common for mods to leave out an extremely main-ish character(s) for fake-claims).

Next, inuyasha

could

be a weak role. In xenosaga, kos-mos and shion were both vanilla. This is probably not such a game, though.

Thirdly, it's not the case that there "aren't enough good characters." We're town aligned and are not really a good guy/girl. There are

many

characters who are "nicer" than our flavor, so there's really no shortage of town related flavors.


In any case, shos play really reminds me of myself in xenosaga. I don't understand what inuyasha could possibly have to do with the undead, other than kikyo, though. Kikyo SK? Post 90 is still weird in that it sets up a flavor-IC claim while arguing that flavor probably doesn't matter, but meh.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Squirrel Girl

-kagami

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AD, does your multiball knowledge tell you anything about the size/flavor of the teams, or whether one of the scumgroups is an SK?

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

Also from examining my role pm i can infer that the other scumteam is undead.

Is there any way you can elaborate on this? There aren't really that many undead in inuyasha.

.

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

google has taught me that there are a lot of undead people in the inuyasha universe

There's kikyo, the band of seven, the antagonist of one of the movies, and a couple random one-episode characters.

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I'll have a hard time taking anyone who is voting Rhaego or Abomination midst all the goings-on seriously at this point.

As derp as shos is for assuming Inuyasha-claim is an instant IC, it sounds like he truly believed it himself.

The "scumslip" Majiffy caught isn't one, most like, but I can see how he could have seen it as one.

So, Majiffy and shos for town now? Cool.

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am I the only one starting to think mastin could be scum?

Mastin is always scum.

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Yeah, MDT, but do you get the feeling shos wanted this?

I just can't shake the feeling he wanted to be ran up to claim so he could do this.

Everything looks so genuinely chaotic and messy, though. His level of complete and udder indignation in the face of his claim being called into question is almost palpable.

All I can think of is that Xenosaga mafia debacle I played such a large hand in. It felt much like this.

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pedit:
ok MDT you are goint o rephrase that post because my english level ain't oxford enough to understand wtf you're tlaking about.

namely:
udder, indignation, palpable, debacle.

(isn't udder the cow tits?)

I'm basically saying you sound genuine.

Also, utter*

I make the best typos.

Wait. Who is Moogle again?

Battle Mage and reapercharlie, obv.

OP reading is tech.

I've been thinking about that game also.

Any thoughts in particular?

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

I definitely like the constituents of the xof wagon.

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Mostly comparing your (kagami's) certainty that your character info would clear you to shos' similar mindset. I feel like your certainty was more clear and more expectant if that makes sense, but I don't know if the slight difference is meaningful.

I don't see much difference, but what does feel off to me is the undead thing. I have a hard time coming up with any ability related to inuyasha that would make sense as interacting with undead, other than something to do with Kikyo. If it were just for kikyo's sake, though, it would refer to her specifically. AD's statement that the band of seven is in the game would explain why "Undead" is a thing, but that just makes it more odd that inuyasha would have something to do with undeadness.

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

There are only 26 iirc, one can marathon through the entire show within 3 days.

167 episodes, Good luck with that >.>

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AD's role seems to give him similar information about multiple teams. Our role says various things that reflect on what the scumteam may have (and directly states that naraku is in the game).

The demon thing is not scum-indicative, it's town-indicative. Given that flavor clearly matters for alignment, scum have fake flavor claims. If he's scum, he has at least three buddies and at least four fake flavor claims to look at. He would also know that ceph wouldn't screw him over by giving him a demon claim if demon meant scum. Scum shos would know with certainty that demon isn't scum-indicative.

That case on shos is bad. Here's the good case: Shos's play suggests that he wanted a wagon to build on him, as if he had planned from the beginning to pull this whole flavor-IC bit, which casts some doubt on it's authenticity. He also acts as if there's no harm in revealing that his flavor is the main character of the series. Lastly, he infers that scum are undead from his role PM, which apparently is exactly right (according to AD), while I can't think of a great reason why inuyasha's role would mention undead at all.

I don't think that case is strong enough to outweigh shos-town evidence, though.

-kagami

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: xofelf

beetlejuice

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You will also justify your Bulbazak townread, by the way. Then I will rip it to shreds.

Kind of curious about this too. My favorites for scum are xolf, BoP, bulbafenix, and squirrel girl. Nero would be on the list, but I don't really like his wagon constituents outside of shos.

Maybe wake-slot too with the replace. If there's daychat, I can definitely see wake getting in an argument in the scum QT and replacing out. I find it pretty unlikely that he viewed the game as overwhelming or any other conventional replace-out reason. The only other reason for the replace that seems plausible is that players expressed distaste for his playstyle to ceph, and ceph acted on it.

-kagami

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Bleh. Did youdraw scum

again

, Mastin?

You're doing that thing again. That over-the-top arrogance thing. I saw it in Les Mis and I saw it in AoT where scum-you made an appearance both times. Working everyone up into a lather makes everyone hate you - but townread you much the same. I've seen it before, and it never fools me~

-Kaze

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MDT, why do you think I'm scummy?

Idk why Kagami-chan thought you scummy but it's been reversed since then so meh.

Peh.
I

wish

.
But noooooooooooooooo.
I just HAD to be anti-scum.

Nobody wants me to be scum more than myself. I had prepared an awesome scumgame, even.
This isn't an awesome scumgame. Antagonize players to get townreads on me? A fucking joke. I've been doing that since 2012. I could do what I've done this game since...actually, fuck 2012. I could do that in 2011. No, fuck that. I could do that in 2009. (Admittedly, it took until 2011 to do

well

...) I specifically have been gloating I could do better. But no. Not this game.
Anti scum.

Fuck 'random' number generators.

You just keep looking worse to me.

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

Town

Squirrel Girl
AngryIcerink
Majiffy
Always
Abomination - but they are kinda skating on what burning earth put into the thread imo.
Venmar
HighShroomish

Kinda Town

Lord Mhork
shos
T S O
Birds of Prey
ActionDan - was higher, read is going stale.
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Svenskt Stål - probably should move him up but I'm annoyed.
Nero Cain
neil1113 - because I'm tired of mastin's condescension
Egg - probably belongs in the next higher group but I don't want to think about it right now.

Maybe Town

beastcharizard - maybe belongs in not so town.
BBmolla - being pretty useless now after some town-looking early posts
xofelf - grudgingly here

Not So Town

BulbaFenix - becoming pretty concerned that they've had so little impact on the game state.
Lemniscate - previous slot-holders didn't impress, and more data needed
Young and Beautiful
Mist7676 - scummy posts punctuate a lot of lurking

Stale Reads

ProHawk - was pretty town before fading
Katsuki - was kinda town and sliding downward. Assuming he'll be replaced.

More Data Needed

The Goat - mostly like him so far but fuck if I'll call him town yet when he ignored the game so long.

Please explain the SG and Sven reads here.

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

If he's scum, he has at least three buddies and at least four fake flavor claims to look at

Can you explain this for me.

Multiball would be 18-5-5, 20-4-4, or 19-4-5. Flavor fake-claims are almost certainly a thing.

In light of what AD said, 20-7-1 also seems possible, and would do a lot to explain why this game was designed to be so huge (to accommodate the entire Bo7).

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Ok, so as useless as Y&B are, I think they're actually right about two of their scumreads, probably by chance. I'm about 95% on both BoP and xof for scum (which is about as high as I go).

Xof's reaction to her wagon was not a town reaction, it's the reaction of scum who has a lot of partners (I'm also 95% that this is 20-7-1). She wasn't afraid of a mislynch, nor aggressive toward her attackers, because she knows they're all town. Her reaction to being wagoned in part for lurking is to lurk it off, which is of course going to be successful, because there's conveniently a player whom

nobody

is townreading and who is also being deliberately obnoxious. Conveniently, that wagon starts up nicely and goes full blast with no resistance.

And this

We got one week to get the rest of the votes needed.

is a request for sheeps from the town, because the wagon is already laden with scum, and at least one of those "almost deadline" votes is going to be "terrible" tomorrow.

Bulb is still also scum; wake-slot is probably scum if he wasn't WoTC'ed. One of the other votes on the Y&B wagon is scum, and it's not geists, shos, TSO, or mhork.

-kagami

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@Y&B: Anonymous hydras are fine if your goal is to dodge/change some undesirable meta-trait or something like that, but that's not what you're doing here.

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

xof or BoP. Why do you have BoP as a townread?

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It's not even your behavior that makes you scum, and since apparently your into observing reactions rather than enciting them (I'm the same way!), this should be evident.

Nobody, nobody at all, has townread Y&B this game, and for good reason. They are clearly being deliberately useless; they decided to sign up as an anonymous hydra and see if they could get by blowing kisses and acting cutesy.

Unfortunately, they're probably town for roughly the same reason that you're probably scum. The circumstances of the wagons surrounding your slots coupled with the very high probability of a seven-man scumteam make Y&B the scum designated mislynch. Even the timing of it is awful, and plays directly into the "only a week left!" rubbish.

The constituency of the wagon is awful. Of the 11 names there, only geists, TSO, shos, and mhork are townreads. Does anyone seriously believe this is a town-driven wagon? I considered the possibility that this is all a big bus on a liability, but even that seems unlikely, because it's a hard-counterwagon to xolf, which makes little sense regardless of her alignment.

-kagami

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...
Moogle, their meta actually has them more useful as town.
...

Wait, I got that one of them is Cho; we've figured out the other?

bah.

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kagami. Flandre, day 1, Xenosaga.

Flandre wagon was super town. Ceph got on early, because it was in part a counterwagon to his own, but after that only the hammer was scum. The driving force was all town. Yes, I was on the wrong side of it, if that's what you mean to point out.

This wagon really, really doesn't look the same.

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Which among lemniscate, mist, and abom look town?

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Oh and sorry Y if I'm claiming prematurely. We're L-4 and a ton of scum is on our wagon.

- b -

Do you guys not use hydra chat?

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...
Moogle, their meta actually has them more useful as town.
...

Wait, I got that one of them is Cho; we've figured out the other?

I still want BoP to answer this.

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

The claim makes a lot of flavor sense.

-kagami

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Will post more thoughts tomorrow when I have some time at work, but I'm still alive.

I was kind of hoping to bounce things off kaze, but he appears to be out for the rest of the game for personal reasons, so all moogle posts are kagami henceforth.

I'd love to see a BoP lynch, xof is next best and currently most viable scum-lynch, lemniscate third. Shos is town.

The Y&B wagon is disbanding in an unnaturally slow way that makes me think that players who were on it don't have a good wagon to jump to.

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That's actually more reinforcing a belief I have based on AD's earlier post.

Ceph likes the band of seven enough to have made one of them his avatar for some period. AD says his pm refers to the band of seven. Beast has claimed poisonproof, and poison makes a lot of sense with mukotsu.

Ceph made a game with 28 slots, knowing that it would be difficult to fill and time-consuming to mod, and he made no indication that he would compromise on the game size (which does happen sometimes when games aren't filling as quickly as desired).

My role PM refers directly to Naraku, it doesn't say anything about his incarnations or anything like that being in the game.

All points to 20-7-1, to my mind.

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The Y&B wagon is disbanding in an unnaturally slow way that makes me think that players who were on it don't have a good wagon to jump to.

Wow this is very interesting, tell me more. No seriously, tell me more. I want to know precisely who on this wagon is scummy for not knowing where to put there vote after the claim. Full claim in your next post please.

I would think this would be pretty easy for you, since you've got them all in your scumlists: {BoP, xof, lemniscate, mist}. They have the option to either jump on shos who is clearly town, or their buddies, or do nothing. They've chosen the latter.

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NS is being intentionally oblivious; would lynch. Efforts to appear town are also half-hearted and tragic, would put him out of his misery.

Even if TSO had claimed scum prior to replacing out, I would not lynch this slot. Ns is town.

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What is the flavor or your undead investigation and protective ability, xof?

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And why didn't you make any indication after seeing shos's claim that Undead is a thing?

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

I see no issue with shos's claim.

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well, the initial claim, I don't really understand the dueling bit.

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

I can sort of buy shippo having a protective shot, and there's a suitable flavor for that, but detecting undead? Why would shippo have an undead detection shot?

but whatever, I guess it can survive until tomorrow as long as we get something through.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: lemniscate

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

Also, if it's real, he should really have 7 abilities, not 9.

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

Foxfire detects undead.......

So the protective ability must be "Foxfire v2.0."

Are you sure you didn't misread that ability, seems more likely to be "Firefox: You hop on your open-source feudal era web browser and google whether or not a player is undead."

[Moogle Dance Troupe]

for those unaware of flavor and too lazy to look it up:

Shippo is the little fox demon who joins the protagonists several episodes into the series. He has transformation magic that he mostly uses to distract enemies or provide transportation for a single person. He is super weak and usually doesn't fight, and he's into human girls for some reason. If he fights, he bites or uses foxfire, neither of which hurts anything very much.

From the inuyasha wiki, which I strongly suspect ceph referred to heavily while making the setup (my PM image is the one at the top of my character's page):

Foxfire: The ability to create incredibly hot greenish fire with demonic skills. It has next to no burn effect on opponents, but it can burn things like spider webs. It can neutralize fire from enemies, making it more of a defensive spell than an attack. The flame can be turned blue and can be held in his hand as a torch, such as when he is in caves or dark areas. This is also his main attack. Foxfire can be used as a shield, too. This was first shown when the fur of Shippō's deceased father created Foxfire to protect Shippō and Kagome from Hiten's thunderbolts. This ability also made its debut in the tenth episode of the series.

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Foxfire: The ability to create incredibly hot greenish fire with demonic skills. It has next to no burn effect on opponents, but it can burn things like spider webs. It can neutralize fire from enemies, making it more of a defensive spell than an attack. The flame can be turned blue and can be held in his hand as a torch, such as when he is in caves or dark areas. This is also his main attack. Foxfire can be used as a shield, too. This was first shown when the fur of Shippō's deceased father created Foxfire to protect Shippō and Kagome from Hiten's thunderbolts. This ability also made its debut in the tenth episode of the series.

I don't get what you're trying to say here.

What part of that ability suggests that this is a means of detecting whether or not an entity is undead? Shippo never uses foxfire as some sort of investigative action afaik, he uses it as a somewhat laughable offense and modest defense.

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Maybe I'm biased by my own PM, but everything about my role is quite appropriate to the flavor. Sounds like Y&B's is too, and I'm not terribly sure about shos's, but if the dueling thing is what I'm guessing it is, that makes sense too.

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Are you serious ferry?

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moogles post just gave me the vibe of coming from someone wh masterminded the claim and couldnt help but to fill in the gaps.

paranoia is strong today.

Yes sven, that's how I fill gaps, by saying that the claim makes no sense and is fake.

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I'm low activity right now, but I see the lem claim and am keeping an eye on the thread.

4 masons is quite a lot if they're all confirmed town. Possible if they're the wolf pack, flavor-wise, but I don't buy it unless someone confirms. The timing is just terrible, and I would think a group of 4 would include someone with sense enough to have intervened. If only one of them has additional powers, I see little harm in one of the vanilla masons confirming it.

I believe the shos claim, and the Y&B claim. I don't believe xof, but it looks like we're waiting for tomorrow on that.

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Still don't like BoP, but from what I've experienced, titus just seems to rub me the wrong way with her posts for reasons I'm not entirely able to articulate.

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Also, I will definitely be around in the morning and afternoon tomorrow.

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There are only 4 players left who could feasibly be among the 3 "masons." We've hit scum.

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You realize that two players have already stated role names in full, right?

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I'm

Jinenji, Town Demon Friendly Neighbor

. Some flavor about being a gentle giant being afraid of humans or something. And I help Kagome collect herbs or something.

I am a Demon. I can visit a player every night, and they will receive a message confirming me as Town the next day.
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Kikyo masonry? Seems possible, but nobody batted an eye at the undead stuff, iirc. You'd think someone would have said that undead are town.

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Pretty sure we said we were a somewhat villainous demon way back. I had thought several people had claimed to be town aligned demons.

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There's no way lemi is bulletproof.

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If kocho is vanilla, so is asuka. There should be a mason who can confirm this without revealing kikyo.

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With abom's post, the list of people who I'd conceivably believe to be a mason with lemni has shrunk to 3 people.

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To reiterate, my role pm confirms only that naraku is in the game and that he pretty much has to be scum.

AD's role pm apparently implies multiball, and that the band of seven are in the game.

Shos's and xof's claimed role also implies that undead are generally scum, as otherwise detecting undead is useless.

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With abom's post, the list of people who I'd conceivably believe to be a mason with lemni has shrunk to 3 people.

I hate when you do this.

I continue to think that believing the scumteam to be idiots is negative utility. That kind of thinking led to a loss in Touhou: Land of Fantasy, which should have been a town sweep.

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Scum absolutely have fake flavor claims, or we could just mass flavor claim to out naraku. If they have daychat, which is kind of confirmed now, their personal flavor knowledge isn't terribly relevant.

I still think that scum are mostly undead, and it makes a lot of sense to give them a couple of undead flavors to fakeclaim to give them a chance to dodge a guilty.

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I think she decided to wing it.

If kocho is a vanilla mason, so is asuka. There's absolutely no reason not to out her rather than be lynched.

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If you'd like one person who's vanilla to confirm I'm telling you the truth, I just talked with them and they said it might be a better idea then letting the lynch go through.

So where are they?

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I know that something she's said almost certainly isn't true.

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that was @ns

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I don't remember town kagami being this bloodthirsty

You're mistaken, I love certainty when it comes to lynches.

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Then you've missed out on all the bestest kagami meta~

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So you believe there are three unkillable mod-confirmed town who are nervous about their identities being revealed?

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The claimed masonry would be asuka, kocho, and kikyo, without question. They'd all be undead.

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shos is among the many players who has an action that he'll be accountable for tomorrow. Lemni is not town. She even claimed to be talking to her "teammates" last night, but none of them decided to say anything about it in thread. Doesn't that strike you as a little odd?

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It will be funny if we're ever masons in a game together sometime, jiffy. I imagine things will go like this in the mason QT:

Kagami: hey jiffy, deadline is coming and I'm the largest wagon. I need you to help me out.
Majiffy: Nah, I think I'll just sit tight.
Kagami: Only one day left. I might actually get lynched here. I'm claiming.
Majiffy: Are sure that's a good idea? Letting a vanilla mason get lynched for no reason seems like a good plan to me. After all, the third mason is a PR!
Kagami: Ok, I claimed and deadline is in less than a day. You're a vanilla mason too, so there's no major harm in you outing yourself. I suffered a traumatic brain injury today and lack the ability to simply say that you're my mason partner in thread, so you have to do it.
Majiffy: K, I'll sleep on it. Maybe tomorrow I'll post about this mason business. Don't worry, it's totally fine if a mason gets lynched, since I believe that will somehow protect me and our PR mason buddy.

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iso lemniscate, you don't have to read much.

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nope, no second mason.

p-edit: yeah, but there are going to have to be a lot of roleblocks then.

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There are three claimed actions on the board that scum have a vested interest in either blocking or pretending to be blocked. That's something to sort out tomorrow though.

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don't worry AD, our three man bulletproof masonry that has an additional PR will probably just endgame the scumteams for us.

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Still multiball, still probably 20-7-1. I know naraku to effectively be a ninja, which would be redundant with the flipped Bo7 member. Lots of things could account for a missing kill.

Could be 20-4-4 or something like that, but I think the size of the game implies that ceph didn't want a band of seven with fewer than seven members.

I think undead are all scum, and the purpose of the undead/human/demon distinction is that naraku is effectively a godfather to undead investigations, and that humans are guaranteed innocent. Suikotsu might be a godfather too.

Want to see icerink flip.

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Because I think it's Bo7 vs naraku vs everyone else.

Also, there aren't really bad humans in inuyasha that aren't undead. (there's tsubaki, but that's about all I can think of).

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xof claimed in 2189.

Xof, why did you choose to commute over your alternatives?

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Why is xof commuting totally reasonable? Do you think a one-shot undead detector would draw a nightkill in this game?

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...because she has nine abilities. Abilities are scare.

Most of which she's claimed are useless.

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When you announce weakness, and are a lurksack with an extremely suspicious claim, you don't expect to draw a nightkill. If anything, you hope to draw an investigation and/or a roleblock.

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I don't think BB's counterclaim is wildly relevant here, since anything I can imagine BB having that would make him think the claim is false existing twice in a 28 player game.

I do think the claimed commute is bizarre, and that the claimed abilities don't make flavor-sense.

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imagine anything*

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Do we get a flipzor?

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Rhaego+wake+lemni notable posts:
196: pretty sure moogle isn't a buddy.
292: I wanna say Abomination and Y+B non buddy, shos could be a buddy (nothing strong on shos though)
Beast, Iec, and Kat get the "are you scum?". Kinda leaning no buddies there because he was probably looking to get an ugly reaction.
589: TSO non-buddy I think.
593: mhork probably isn't a buddy.
1383: depends on if this gets followed up or not. If so, Nero non-buddy. If not, Nero makes sense as a buddy
1389: Y+B definitely not a buddy. Xofelf might be.
2044: the villianizing of TSO, gesits, nero, and birds of prey ("Im being wagoned for BS") points to non-buddy.
2055: scum list of shos, nero, AngryIec, birds probably contains one buddy. Nero and birds arent it. Angryiec will flip soon.
2171: Nero is probably the least likely of everyone to be a buddy based on this ISO
2751: no way Mist is a buddy.
2754: looks like a genuine push by actiondan.
2768: how did we not catch "vanilla mason" lmao

fixed for reference

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also my role is FUCKING COOL. awesome being the main char B) ...it's not that good for town I think, at least not yet possibly, but it's cool as hell
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Is there any way to elaborate on this [without being anti-town]? Is it reasonable to tell us who you targeted?

I'm a little weirded by the possibility that if there's a doctor in the game, we could all just target shos tonight and he'd wake up tomorrow with a long list of innocents (or non-Bo7ers, at least). Even if there's no doctor or there's a strongman, the delayed flips suggest to me that there's a pre-flip reviver, which would make the breaking strategy unstoppable.

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But I like waffles :<

BoP, what do you think about Xof's claim?

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Why everyone target sho's though?

Because he's apparently a self-watcher who learns the race of anyone who targets him.

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Nero Cain 1 (Squirrel Girl)
Majiffy 1 (Squirrel Girl)

Both of these are still happening.

These wagons are bad, and you shouldn't be voting multiple if you can vote the same person twice. Putting your votes on different people is lower utility than being vanilla (unless you can achieve two lynches with your ability). At the very least, we know jiffy isn't undead, and the lemon-NC interactions make him unlikely scum.

I would only vote Y&B if we confirmed a roleblock occurred on someone else. That shos's wasn't blocked suggests to me that Y&B is telling the truth.

VOTE: xof

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neil is not a bad vote either

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I was confused about it too, because I had thought shos learned jiffy's race through his self-watching.

He said he learned it through his dueling power earlier. Therefore, he wasn't blocked.

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Aesthetic and ascetic are very different things, btw.

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Shos learned Majiffy's race. It wasn't undead. Or is the theory not that all scum are undead?

no. that is just inferred. not learned. I do not have this confirmed, it just...makes sense with all the flavor and stuff. if he ever claims, then I might be able to confirm/reject, but again, this is all flavor based.

I'd expect inuyasha to be more useful

I thought you considered your role to be awesome earlier today

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Yes.

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Commuting is much worse, of course.

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And it's probably the case that one scumteam is all undead, and the other is all demon, if the other is groupscum at all. I maintain that it's probably 20-7-1, with the 7 being undead and the 1 being demon.

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If we get far enough ahead, I'm totally ok lynching this ^

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cant decide if i should switch my vote to bbmolla or lord mhork

I agree with mhork as a strong possibility.

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Still waiting on the flavor for an SK answer here.

Naraku.

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Then unless it's triple-ball, the SK is naraku.

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How are you suddenly able to confirm him?

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Nevermind, I think the answer is brought to you by the letter p.

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I think I'm the same as you, so that likely doesn't help.

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Why are you suddenly bringing this up though, jiffy? Our very first post should have raised alarm bells unless I'm wildly misinterpreting this.

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I'm a little weirded out that this is coming out now. I had been saying that flavor matters and that there's probably an SK the entire game, and no one supported that ever.

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In my/our case, there's no ambiguity and it's not flavor.

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I said enough for someone to be able to freely confirm at least that they have the same role. It's brought to us in part by the letter P.

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It's entirely possible that a Bo7 person could have it, though. I can't think of great flavor for that, but maybe.

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It's less reliably millerish than gravedigger. I can go over that whole portion of the PM, but first I want confirmation from jiffy and NS that we're all on the same page.

If jiffy has the same role, then he's pretty much confirmed town, since it implies he's not naraku and shos has investigated him as demon (so not undead).

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@NS: p word, what is it?

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(I want to move on from this, but want it sorted out first)

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If only there were some way we could verify that this is so.

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Alright.

I'm Princess Abi, Town Demon Faustian Puppet.

I have an ability which I'm not revealing. It isn't mentioned in my role title; the above title is my complete title.

I have another "ability" called Deal with the Devil. It tells me that naraku can make me perform kills for him. If he uses me, I'm not informed of this. The PM says that he may or may not know who I am (he does now, of course).

I have a third ability called Renege. It's a night action that makes me vanilla, losing my first ability and preventing naraku from using me. Naraku can still use me on the night I renege.

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As such, naraku is effectively a ninja (unless he has to target a puppet to use them, but that's still ninja-ish). This means he's not in the Bo7 group (which would also be a stupid name for naraku's team), since his role is redundant with the flipped Bo7er.

BoP's claim, together with the fact that my role only mentions naraku personally as well as several other things I've pointed out, makes it pretty likely that naraku is solo. As both a ninja and likely the only demon scum, he's basically investigation immune (which seems pretty SKish to me).

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jiffy and NS, if you guys are puppets, there's no reason not to say so (and there probably never was any reason to be cagey).

I really don't understand why town is screwed because of our existence. Ninja SK doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me.

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I don't intend to renege.

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Maybe near endgame if there's a really good reason to.

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The verbiage implies that he can do it himself if he wants to.

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I thought you were kagura and was forced to do his bidding. poor kagura.

So basically I'm a genius or at least close to it

That's part of why I had an inkling there might be more than one puppet, kagura and kohaku both have really great flavor for the role. I had thought that Kat and Jiffy's negative utility claims at the beginning of day 1 were possibly fellow puppets.

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just claimed?

I claimed it in my first post.

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Actually, BoP's claim makes it almost certainly 20-7-1.

Why?
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BoP has claimed an incarnation of naraku, hakudoshi. If that's true, or even if it's a mod-provided fakeclaim, it suggests that the incarnations are town.

If naraku has his own faction, the incarnations should be his buddies.

Still want a xof lynch. Her commuting is insane, and completely contrary to what town would do in her position. Mhork is pretty suspicious for defending it, too.

Neil's pretty out there, I don't disagree on the votes. I was pretty pro-BoP lynch yesterday, but my suspicion in that direction has faded a bit given the events of today.

Shos could be naraku, but if he is, then he's would have a really hard time explaining why his empathic Vigging isn't generating any additional kills as the game progressed. Seems like a terrible claim for an SK.

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What?

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because BoP's claim is great.

Just so we're all on the same page here, the claim was "great" in that there's every reason to believe BoP is indeed an ascetic.

This doesn't imply that he's town, and based on the ability distributions we've seen, arguably implies the opposite. Ascetic appears to be strictly negative utility if town.

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really busy, but very briefly, ascetic is a not terribly uncommon role, and more frequesntly scum than town. It's not OP, nor is it anything like GF ninja, because those roles essentially give false innocents to the player who investigates them. Ascetic returns a failure, which is not only not an "innocent," but is also fairly suspicious.

That said, I like BoP's posting today (though was very suspicious yesterday).

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I think we're up against a Band of Derp.

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VOTE: mist

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mhork and xof are still scum.

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So from what I can tell, we have the following sets of players. Assuming there isn't some pretty great acting involved, the band of seven should only be in one group. Don't worry if you don't know what derp and underp means here, it's super secret code.

Derp:
HighShroomish
Squirrel Girl?
Nero Cain
Birds of Prey
jiffy
Mist7676
beastcharizard?
Lord Mhork


Underp:
Abomination
ProHawk?
geists?
Oversoul
shos
BulbaFenix
sven?
Always
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ActionDan?


Unknown:
xofelf
BBmolla
Egg
The Goat
Young and Beautiful
notscience

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Accidentally left out a couple players who are obviously underp.

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@geists, neil is underp. Should I move you?

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Several things you've said have strongly implied underp. Question marks imply there's some inference on my part that may not be correct.

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Claims summary for those who don't read:

MDT: Abi (D)- Ninja enabler/ tracker miller (puppet). Additional mystery power. Can vanillaize self.
Jiffy: Ryujin (D)- Ninja enabler/ tracker miller (puppet)
NS: Kohaku (H)- Ninja enabler/ tracker miller (puppet)
Xofelf: Shippo (D)- 9-ability JoAT with protective and investigative abilities. One named "Foxfire" that investigates undead. Claims commuted N1.
BBMolla: Unknown- Something that CCs xof
shos: Inuyasha (D)- Self-watching race detector. "Empathic Vig." Claims to have visited jiffy, learned that jiffy is a demon.
Y&B: Jijenji (D)- Friendly neighbor, claims visited always (blocked)
Lemniscate: Jakotsu (U)- scum non-consecutive ninja. Claimed Kocho (U)- Mason.
BoP: Hakudoshi (D)- Ascetic
AIR: Ryukotsusei (D)- Vanilla
ActionDan: Unknown- Something that implies multiball and references the band of seven somehow.

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The thematic incongruence of xof's claim is that foxfire as an investigative ability is ridiculous. It's also crazy that shippo would be an investigator at all.

The play incongruence is that it is not a town mindset that commutes in the situation she was in. She should have had no fear of an NK (or be happy to be NKed given the suspicion on her slot). If she really believed she was a super likely NK, she'd also have expected protection and proceeded to do something useful. It would be reasonable maybe to hold back on using a really good ability for fear of a roleblock, but then she'd have done something that would have indicated to her that she was blocked (which would also have given us more information on Y&B).

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Why did you expect a night kill, but did not expect protection?

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Somewhat off the current topic, would wake have replaced out solely because he was scum? I've never been in a game he replaced out of.

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No he didn't, I was just going through his posts around the july 7-8 area. The only notable activity other than leaving this game was making the ADHD thread in MD.

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Also as much as Y&B is confirm able in terms of the role.. Part of me wants them dead.

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Agree that the ascetic-poisoning relationship should be checked.

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Lemon lynch happened because of geists, feeling pretty strong town on them.

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Why are you townreading xof, geists?

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then I don't understand the thinking behind 4244

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Spoiler: oversoul reads

Townie:
Birds of Prey
beastcharizard
xoflelf (claim)
notscience (mostly from TSO read, reads similar to Prisoner of Azkaban TSO)
Nero Cain (typical bull headed Nero. Just I am not on the receiving end of it this time)
Geists (have some niggling suspicions about them but fairly strong townread)
Majiffy (higher up depending on Shos's answer to my question)
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Lord Mhork (would be higher but D2 has been fairly bad for him)
Egg (suspected early on but has greatly improved as the game progressed, but his vote is rotting on me. Why?)
Shos
HighShroomish (miller-gate interactions)

I guess they can be town:
Young and Beautiful
Always (I could write a novel on my paranoia of Mastin)
BulbaFenix (less active than I would like but contributes)
Abomination
ActionDan

They could be scum:
Squirrel Girl (don't really see the towniness from this one)
Svenskt Stal (does this person earnestly contribute to the game?)
The Goat
Neil1113 (I did not like his interactions with Leminiscate, still think he possibly recruited her to play the game to be scums together)

Scummy:
BBmolla (has done literally nothing this entire game)
ProHawk (didn't like him trying to take credit for Lem)
Venmar (has done exceptionally nothing this game except be super brusque with people, I can't remember if this is Venmar town meta though)
Mist7676 (super defensive unnecessarily)

Ok yeah.

Why has no one made Molla put his money where his mouth is?
I would gladly string his buttocks to the rafters if time allowed.

I think given the situation Mist is a good lynch.

VOTE: Mist

i like your list

I don't. I especially don't like the pattern of rationale tags.

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that's convenient.

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What do you disagree with?

charizard above xof, but not for reason of claim (or you only felt the need to justify xof rather than charizard)
lord mhork being so high, given that half the scumlist is there for doing nothing.
Molla in the scumlist, xof in the townlist. You really think scum "counterclaimed" town on day 1?
shos and especially Y&B is also a claim-based townread, I would think, but only xof gets a "(claim)"
Some reads seem inconsistent with what should be an obvious conclusion given 3753.

Other minor points, but I'm actually more concerned about sven's response than issues with the list itself.

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I don't think anyone took nero seriously. If he actually drew a block, then that's great since we'll have some good news from Y&B.

Mist prob demon-copped AD.

The delayed flip mechanic is ridiculous. If it's a town reviver, then please res geists.

Kind of bad, but I agree with 4301. I have guesses as to what happened, though.

p-edit: SK is a demon. Otherwise demon-cop would still make sense as a very soft cop. The undead scum are certainly going to fake-claim human or demon, especially after the lemon claim.

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why do you think it's the sk who's failing to kill?

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And we're all here. Naraku is pretty much confirmed SK who can't be tracked, why would he no kill?

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I dunno. In case he doesn't want to risk killing mislynches/scum.
Yes, you are all here. Your point?

My point is that naraku has every reason to kill every night, given that he's a ninja and is confirmed to be in the game. It's more likely that the Bo7 would no kill, having lost their ninja, but even that's improbable. There is likely at least one failed kill, and I'm trying to understand why you think it's the SK who would have failed.

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btw, I reread the PM I got and I'm *pretty darn sure* that naraku is the SK, and he is super-BP. as in, NOTHING can penetrate his defenses, just like in the series

Interesting thing to say o.o

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VOTE: xofelf

Because even attempting to use anything other than the undead cop ability is super town of her amiright?

Don't worry bbmolla. I've got your back *insert mirai Nicki meme here*

Don't forget that apparently Shippo the hexmage doesn't have a roleblocking ability.

Nero claims blocked though, we need a report from Y&B.

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May as well update this.

Alive

MDT: Abi (D)- Ninja enabler/ tracker miller (puppet). Additional mystery power. Can vanillaize self.
Jiffy: Ryujin (D)- Ninja enabler/ tracker miller (puppet)
NS: Kohaku (H)- Ninja enabler/ tracker miller (puppet)
Xofelf: Shippo (D)- 9-ability JoAT with protective and investigative abilities. One named "Foxfire" that investigates undead. Claims commuted N1. Claims ability cop on BBMolla N2.
BBMolla: Unknown- Something that CCs xof. Includes a blocking effect.
shos: Inuyasha (D)- Self-watching race detector. "Empathic Vig." Claims to have visited jiffy, learned that jiffy is a demon. Unknown N2.
Y&B: Jijenji (D)- Friendly neighbor, claims visited always N1 (blocked). Claims visited geists N2 (lulz)
BoP: Hakudoshi (D)- Ascetic
ActionDan: Unknown- Something that implies multiball and references the band of seven somehow.[/quote]
beastcharizard: Unknown- Poisonproof
Nero Cain: Unknown- Vig? Something that was blocked?

Dead:

Lemniscate: Jakotsu (U)- scum non-consecutive ninja. Claimed Kocho (U)- Mason.
AIR: Ryukotsusei (D)- Vanilla
Mist: Miroku (H)- Demon cop. Probably investigated AD night one.
Geists: Flip delay mechanic is really annoying.

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Forgot squirrel girl the doublevoter.

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Re: oversoul. It's either a scumslip or a townslip, depending on whether or not the missing kills belong to the SK. Should be more clear later, and something to keep in mind.

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Shos, can you elaborate on the "super killproof SK" theory? That's giving me some srs biz pricklies.

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and yes, Y&B targeting geists is pretty terrible.

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It's like everyone forgets poison is a kill method.

keeping it in mind, but we're still missing a kill from night one at the minimum. That doesn't really change my opinion of the oversoul thing, nor my opinion on shos's recent statement, which I also find pretty incredible.

If we don't lynch xof today, something is terribly, terribly wrong.

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VOTE: xofelf

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Her claimed night actions are ridiculous.

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And rolename. And flavor.

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Ok mhork and oversoul. Please explain to me why her night actions make sense.

Also explain why she's a hexmage who doesn't hex.

And why foxfire investigates undead.

Both of you, go.

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As for xof, she thought she was gonna get shot. Emboldened by that, she decided to try something else. She's just trying to help. I don't care what the flavor her abilities is. I think she's town, so I take it on good faith she's using her abilities that she has

This would explain why you vanished after lemon claimed. You must have thought lemniscate was town, and thus didn't care that she claimed impossible rubbish.

It's lucky for us too, maybe she would have avoided being lynched had you supported her with your claim that undead could be town.

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Also explain why she's a hexmage who doesn't hex.

Hexmage has to do with how many abilities she has. The role also appeared in FE:A.

Yes, and do you know what that hexmage did? It hexed, which in the context of mafia means it's going to do a lot of roleblocking/manipulating.

I don't think ceph made a role with 9 abilities that are investigative and protective in nature, then thought "Let's call this a hexmage. That makes sense."

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Night 2 I commuted moogul so I could maybe block naraku's shit and not be useless
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That works? I hadn't thought of that.

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Why are two town joats in a large impossible?

I agree with this, btw, the CC is not why she's scum.

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This is one of those rare cases where we can probably take malajesus's word for it, nero.

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We kill for him. I asked ceph, blocking us stops the kill if you that puppet is used.

That's pretty neat.

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Not directly, but it somewhat implies that he can.

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kill himself, that is.

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pls add SG and Mhork to your pool of possible targets.

And oversoul and xof and we're perfect.

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pls add SG and Mhork to your pool of possible targets.

And oversoul and xof and we're perfect.

remind me of your XOF case. Why are you scum reading OS?

Spoiler: Xof case

Flavor

Foxfire as an undead detector. This is unbelievably stupid, it's like having an ability called "Shoot fire at a player: you learn whether that player's role is, because fire does that."

Shippo has no roleblocking or non-self commuting abilities. Shippo's principle contribution to the team's efforts throughout the series is to distract, stun, or confuse enemies, or to provide single person transport (usually for kagome). It's insane that ceph would design a shippo with 9 abilities, none of which are "manipulative/blocking"

Rolename

Again with the hexmage thing, a hexmage hexes. Look at the hexmage from FE:A. Almost all her abilities are offensive and blocking/manipulative (because that's what hexing is). Yet shippo the hexmage has no such abilities.

Night actions

No one commutes when they're under the scrutiny she was, no matter how inept. There were several claimed PRs who sounded far more dangerous than she had made herself out to be, and she had every reason to

hope

that she would be investigated if she were town. Instead she commuted N1.

N1 she decides to investigate her counter-claimant, BBmolla. Instead of checking whether he's undead, which she claims to be able to do, she checks one of his abilities and discovers it's roleblocking/manipulative. This makes no sense. BB had claimed JoAT, essentially. It makes no sense to check one of his abilities and hope that it's somehow incriminating rather than checking his alignment directly. Also, BB's claim suggest that she likely lied about her ability, and probably followed him rather than "ability copped."

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As for oversoul, BB's action makes things fall into place there.

BB blocked me, and naraku prob had me perform the kill. I hadn't thought of that possibility, and I bet naraku didn't either. One of the missing kills was likely naraku's last night.

With at least one failed kill coming from naraku, oversoul's 4313 looks like a pretty glaring scumslip. Conveniently, it's other players I suspect who wanted to call it otherwise. Couple that with 4389, where he hopes Y&B is the SK? That makes no sense, no SK in the world would fakeclaim something that's impossible to maintain for an entire 28 player game. It comes from the mindset of someone who knows Y&B is not groupscum, but maybe actually thinks they're scum.

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That's not a scum slip. You might be new to mafia but legitimate genuine scum slips, like Yates' picture scum claim, are very rare and not as common as people seem to think they are.

Scumslips are exceedingly common.

Yes, I thought the SK's kill was likely blocked. What of it? You and your other puppets CLAIMED to be agents of the SK who kill for him in a Ninja-esque way.

No way in the world does the SK have Ninja AND Strongman abilities.
No way in the world do town blocking powers NOT target you three to try to block the SK kill.

And here you confirm it's not a case of derp or mistaken thinking. This is a pretty amazing thing to casually think up, why didn't you suggest that the town blockers block us yesterday, or at least point out the possibility? Why did you think that the SK failed to kill night 1?

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I don't think I ever said I thought the SK failed N1? I am pretty sure I said for a while that I thought SK Mastin killed AI given the fact that they were not universally townread at all yet they were killed. AP is also a Mastin specific player that pointed towards a slot who had more freedom with their kill and could afford to kill people that can read them well.
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I mean, pretty obvious at this point that Geists is town? If there is an SK (Naraku), they are either very unlucky, or choosing to no-kill.
I hate no-killing SKs worse than actual SKs.

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Very unlucky that town did the "obvious" thing and blocked us to prevent his kills.

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While I

really

like the idea of giving BB a vig shot, the current situation is probably better. Scum are now incentivized to kill a negative utility role for us, rather than a power role.

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We can just lynch xof and get all the benefits of BB killing her, without having to lynch an obvtown.

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I'm pretty sure I've been voting xof.

VOTE: xof

Yep, sorry.

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Still don't understand why they're important. What do they do?

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Anyone care to provide their version of a very short game summary? Because 150+ pages won't be read until the end of the weekend.

You can check my iso for a claims summary, since then BBMolla claimed a sort of chance-based JoAT and NS claimed to have a shard of the Shikon Jewel, which has some utility for scum.

Spoiler is that Xof is scum, and oversoul prob is too. There's a Shroom wagon which is reasonably righteous, though he's not my favorite lynch.

me, and my iso.

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Also woah a kagami post. I didn't know you were still here

While my posts are getting surprisingly little acknowledgement, I'd like to think I'm a pretty relevant presence.

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Look, this is what a hexmage is:

from saki's role in FE:A

Hexmage (active, night): You are a master of the dark arts and have learned a wide variety of curses you can lay on others for a variety of different effects. As such, at night, you may use any of the following powers in addition to your nightkill. You may use only one of them per night, and may not choose the same power two consecutive nights (you don't want to get bored, mixing things up is more fun).
Target takes one less vote to lynch tomorrow (can't use this if 6 or fewer players are living)
Target can't be protected tonight (may not also kill said player)
Target becomes an Ascetic tonight and tomorrow, so non-killing abilities targetting them will fail (yes, this prevents proposals)
Target cannot make proposals tomorrow
You become a Ninja tonight
Voyeur
Silence target for first 24 hours of real-time tomorrow
Target can't vote tomorrow (can't be used later than N4)
Roleblock (you may only choose this power once)

This was written by our wonderful mod, ceph, in another game he ran. This is what he thinks a hexmage is and he's correct. A hexmage performs "hexes" which are essentially curses. See how appropriate this character is to the name hexmage? See how Ceph has even added some nice flavor to the role that clearly indicates his understanding of what a hexmage is?

Notice how almost every single one of those abilities would likely count as "blocking/manipulative," an ability type which xofelf professes not to have (4334).

Do all of you who are not voting xof really think Ceph had some kind of horrible stroke between modding FE:A and this game, which caused him to completely redefine what he'd call a hexmage, and has also caused him to believe throwing fire at someone is a flavor-appropriate way to investigate their alignment?

Seriously, I want everyone who is mysteriously townreading Xof to explain that read, and to properly explain why they think her claim and claimed actions make sense. And that means something other than "Hurr durr, her tone feels townzor to me, and I like to pretend that flavor and rolenames don't mean anything."

I want that out there, because xof is scum, she is obviously scum, and people are going to be held accountable when she flips scum.