X-Men: Age of Apocalypse (Game Over)

[borkjerfkin]

STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

you've already fucked 2 neighborhoods out of objective 5.

[borkjerfkin]

here is what I was going to post as soon as I could:

If you read nothing else I write here: DO NOT RVS ANYONE

I'm going to attempt to outline some ways we can potentially get some earlier objectives completed so that we can all get closer to our abilities together.

1)

Vote on and correctly predict the day's lynch within 24 hours of the day phase beginning

- this is actually really easy to do if 1) we don't mind possibly

lynching quickly only on D1

and 2) we possess a rudimentary ability to coordinate. I think this is pretty easy to nip in the bud for all 4 hoods, especially since it synergizes well with nearly EVERY other objective.

2)

Vote on and correctly predict a night kill

- this is something we can also use to our advantage. If we divide and conquer across the hoods and pick 4 of the towniest looking people in the game and

claim targets in thread

, we can effectively force scum to choose between leaving obvtown alive and advancing the ability counter.

3)

Successfully lynch scum with the whole neighborhood on the wagon

- harder, swingier. We can coordinate this, but we should attempt to do 2 hoods on D1, 2 hoods if we get something that's going to definitely lead to a lynch like a cop guilty, and let people vote normally other days.

4)

Successfully lynch scum with neighborhood members in the first and last positions on the wagon

- can only do one hood at a time, but still completely controllable by us. We can attempt 1 hood every day, just switch the votes on the wagon around.

5)

Successfully navigate an entire day phase without a member of the neighborhood receiving any votes

- Easily manipulable. We can get 3 hoods this one on D1.

If you read nothing else I write here: DO NOT RVS ANYONE

We think we should claim hood abilities.

We have a 1-Shot Sensor (use to discern how many on the lynch wagon the previous day were scum)

[borkjerfkin]

The situation has changed a bit. We should probably lynch out of my neighborhood and whatever neighborhood Rubik is in (not mine)

[borkjerfkin]

The fact that the game is starting on a Saturday is probably going to make what I wanted to try impossible, honestly.

[borkjerfkin]

We've been talking about this a decent amount in the hood, but I actually think at this point I'm going to defer what Titus has been saying and attempt to maniuplate #3 and #4 with everyone taking a different shot at #2. If we can get #1 or #5 today, that's a bonus, but it shouldn't stop us from making ACTUAL (not RVS) votes anywhere.

[borkjerfkin]

forgot, we're the X-ternals, consisting of:
me
feu et vol
titus
brian skies
my milked eek

[borkjerfkin]

if you're gonna policy then it needs to be one of my hood/rubik's hood

[borkjerfkin]

so what I'm getting from this is that nobody really cares to listen to me

[borkjerfkin]

if skot's in rubik's hood he can die with my blessing

[borkjerfkin]

although when venmar and clusk get back i'd like a really great explanation for why they couldn't be arsed to read the rules and figure out the most rudimentary of good plays regarding it, which is not to throw a vote wherever

[borkjerfkin]

Generation Nexy is an unvoted hood, Nobody vote any of them.

Did ika say why he was considering massclaim?

p-edit: <3 mollie

[borkjerfkin]

What does a Detective do?

[borkjerfkin]

Only thing I got outside of my plan from my hood is a decent townread on feu et vol. Others I am back and forth on.

[borkjerfkin]

Titus demeanor was reading town but we were butting heads a bit.

[borkjerfkin]

I like my hood's ability best out of what's been claimed so far.

[borkjerfkin]

@bork: Which is why we're voted obviously.

Unfortunately we're voted either because of negligence or a deliberate attempt to sabotage and it's too early for me to figure out who is doing which

[borkjerfkin]

I don't see positive utility of mass claiming in the hood. It's probably WORSE than massclaiming in thread because scum will go back and report what everyone said anyway, unless we have a scum free hood.

[borkjerfkin]

I'd like to suss scum out of my hood asap. Sensor will be more valuable if scum don't know when we use it.

[borkjerfkin]

Ours is the best ability by far imo.

[borkjerfkin]

What did you want to talk about

[borkjerfkin]

You don't use sensor on neighborhoods

[borkjerfkin]

That being said, if we did lynch in our hoid, I would want to lynch Feu and you're townreading them.

Tell me why, then.

[borkjerfkin]

I didn't get a neighborhood sooooo....?

What the fuck is this

[borkjerfkin]

What did you want to talk about

mollie?

[borkjerfkin]

Gonna have to go soon myself and may not be back till like 7 cdt

[borkjerfkin]

Wait, nevermind, I did, it just wasn't labeled as one in my PM, sorry.

I actually buy this and it's a decent towntell.

I knew about mine because I was spam refreshing my PTs to see if a scum one popped up (guess if it did or not!)

[borkjerfkin]

scum venmar would 100% have known about hoods by now.

[borkjerfkin]

well i wanted to talk about the fos idea and that we can vote in our neighbourhood pt and how but to use that but I have to leave now!

tonight then

[borkjerfkin]

In my hood Brian was the one I felt was looking busy w/o really contributing to the plan, but I don't have much stock in that considering the infancy of the game.

p-edit: I think the role PM was not really blatant about the hood link being what it was

p-p-edit: I don't know what that means

[borkjerfkin]

both were to titus

[borkjerfkin]

scum venmar would 100% have known about hoods by now.

Scum or not, anyone who reads what the mod posts would have known about the hoods by the start of the game. To believe he's town we have to believe he did not read what was posted 2 posts before his:

If you weren't already aware, the link to your neighborhood PT can be found next to the "affiliation" line of your role PM. Sorry for any potential confusion not knowing this may have caused.

I can believe that. It happens in games all the time.

[borkjerfkin]

Skots in a third, yet unvoted, hood

[borkjerfkin]

skot really does do that dumb fuck diceroll vote every game. I can easily see him having done that via habit/negligence.

[borkjerfkin]

I'm typing with 1 hand and trying to get my kid to nap in the other so I can't compile a list right now

[borkjerfkin]

I'm back

[borkjerfkin]

so who wants to do a mass flavor claim in here?

Not really opposed, not really seeing what it'll accomplish.

[borkjerfkin]

um, bit premature there (he's done, what, call out a townread on you and nothing else?)

I'm not really wowed by that. Feel good about you guys so far though.

p-edit: lol, I have indeed been on a hydra kick. I was pretty close to asking Majiffy this time but we were near the limit.

[borkjerfkin]

Anyway, I'd really like to sort this Titus thing out since I see some people's momentum shifting toward her. I don't really like her conspiracy theory reads but I had a decent feeling about her approach to the start of the game in the hood (even if it was different than mine) and some other things that I need to reread to remember.

[borkjerfkin]

Majiffy
Marquis
mollie
you
Titus

I have no problem with any of these reads.

What's town about macaroni; I assume Toog is neighborhood related.

[borkjerfkin]

Guys I don't want to go to work tomorrow I'm sore as fuck from the QOTSA concert.

why work when there's boozemafia?

[borkjerfkin]

Eek did mention he was at some kind of festival but I dunno if hes back yet

[borkjerfkin]

Jiffy I don't see why that's scummy in and of itself

[borkjerfkin]

Titus is doing that too. I think it's wrong, but I don't think it's scummy.

He started out well in the hood because he seemed to care about scumhunting in it. He has yet to really follow up on it.

I'll admit to the buddying me but half the game is buddying me because I'm town as fuck.

[borkjerfkin]

I will vote eek over titus

[borkjerfkin]

Brian was actiually the neighbor pinging me pregame but he's been a no-show so far

fuck typing w/ one hand

[borkjerfkin]

<---is not buddying with bork

wouldn't really expect you to. I can literally not remember a single time you've townread me in any game ever even when I town the fuck out of the thread

[borkjerfkin]

What was she saying pregame that was so good?

Gimme a few my son is teething and =/

[borkjerfkin]

Huh? Link.

The whole 'Venmar is scum' thing had a tenet that Venmar voted the strongest hood on purpose

[borkjerfkin]

never knew I had a scumread on you...

Didn't really say that either, did I?

[borkjerfkin]

Thank you Rogue.

I don't give two shits as to whether you like me or so. I give two shits about lynching scum.

To believe Venmar you'd have to believe

A) That Venmar is careless and did not read his role PM.
B)Venmar is careless and did not read the info post, knowing RVS would deny a power.

C) That his random vote accidently hit the most powerful hood in the game.

Nope. It is much more likely Venmar too calculated inaction and just chatted in his scum topic.

Jiffy here is what I was talking about.

[borkjerfkin]

So if we are going to pl to achieve an objective why ekk over Titus?

Why Titus for you? I don't recall you explaining

[borkjerfkin]

Titus had this thing in the hood pre-game where she was trying to read the other hood members and referred to Cabd has one of them cause he egoposted in the thread. I hypothesized that scum-titus would have probably seen an egopost from cabd in the scum qt too (I am about 95% sure he would do such a thing) and realize what cabd actually was (the backup mod) vs town-titus just not seeing the top post in the hood where everyone is mentioned which seems more likely.

Then she got all up in my shit for calling it a townslip and may have been deliberately being obtuse by her own admission. I have no idea now.

[borkjerfkin]

Ah.

Well shit son you got two scums in your hood then.

I honestly hope so and that we get rid of them in time to guarantee that we insulate the sensor's use from scum ever knowing which night we do it.

p-edit: I am talking about Titus herself, yes.

p-pedit: notscience did it in frozen, was town.

[borkjerfkin]

isnt everyone gonna say "MY HOOD IS BEST"?

No, I think objectively our hood's ability is more powerful than the others.

[borkjerfkin]

If you mean not completely buying into a planned policy lynch right away, then yeah, I wasn't contributing to your planned policy lynch right away. As far as lack of contribution to your plan, I find this statement unfair.

It might indeed be unfair and I'm going off all I really had at the time which isn't much more than gut. I like the fact that you're indignant about it.

[borkjerfkin]

Actually that's probably enough for me to not even want to consider Brian for today.

[borkjerfkin]

Our ability is powerful, but I feel I offered alternatives to your policy lynch before conceding to your efforts. The only reason I even conceded is because your plan is timelier than mine was, and it it's a good way to get some of the objectives out of the way so we don't have to worry about them later.

I guess I didn't feel that you were planning so much as just musing.

[borkjerfkin]

Two dead scum in my hood would be like christmas.

[borkjerfkin]

But Titus is careful and would always read OPs.
Therefore Titus must be scum

The hypocrisy of that is probably the only decent argument I've seen for Titus scum yet (other then the Venmar push is bad)

[borkjerfkin]

This is literally the best I've felt about Majiffy in any game ever.

I am kinda floored.

[borkjerfkin]

Seriously, I love the idea about playing with you, guys, but I feel alienated as fuck

Talk to me; I'll listen

[borkjerfkin]

And yeah I stream of consciousness post early game in larges a lot. It's kind of the only way to meaningfully interact.

[borkjerfkin]

bork stop being so town you'll die n1

but that's the true town wincon

[borkjerfkin]

don't worry. No one here likes me much.

I like you just fine (even if I shout at you a lot in games)

[borkjerfkin]

'ex-sponge.'

I...literally cannot think of a joke to make with that.

so

uh

Penis penis penis.

[borkjerfkin]

Me?

[borkjerfkin]

A combination of what I said about what I wanted to call a townslip earlier, Titus making a decent point in the hood about not wanting SKOT for scum because his random vote actually didn't cause any additional harm since Venmar had already voted me (and ergo was not likely a deliberate attempt to fuck things disguised as a random vote)

I'm becoming less vehemently against it than I was but my gut is still flip floppity.

[borkjerfkin]

I actually need to revisit how Titus got from that to vehemently defending SKOT (Which is what she is doing now), because I missed it while I was doing shit earlier.

[borkjerfkin]

Ok then eek or bork is probably scum. Your skot suggestion came first.

I am coming back to this and as far as I can see,

nobody

suggested PLing SKOT in our hood until eek did after the game started, which was most definitely a reaction to early game play by SKOT and not any outside influence.

[borkjerfkin]

Or are you talking about his suggestion for us to have a policy lynch already provided?

All he said about reads were that they matched with yours. No reasoning or anything.

I feel like he was proactive about who was going to be the lynch out of us if our hood got drilled into early instead of blindly assuming that we wouldn't be.

That might not even be alignment indicative. I did hope he'd elaborate more about his own reads instead of just piggybacking mine.

[borkjerfkin]

No I think in this particular situation the claim is pro-town - we can decide to take the low risk lynch if we need to by deadline.

And it is also making me not want to do it.

[borkjerfkin]

I just put down an eek predict (although I don't get the relevance of the potential no-scum hood as to how it relates to anyone being scum) in hood unless we've got a better place to go.

What hood to we want to advance for #3 and #4?

p-edit: ideally it was not supposed to do that, people just jizzed all over RVS because they don't pay attention.

[borkjerfkin]

Objection noted. I'm sorry you didn't like my idea; I really want the abilities.

[borkjerfkin]

Yeah that's the plan.

After sensor, I would like to make sure we get the 1-shot Kill block and then 1-shot detective in order of priority. I don't care about the govern.

[borkjerfkin]

unless it works in lylo. Then I do care about it.

[borkjerfkin]

I like nero this game

[borkjerfkin]

we should talk about distributing our #2 pick choices across the 4 towniest looking people in the game, too.

[borkjerfkin]

What do you want to do with it then

[borkjerfkin]

There is no harm in at least TRYING #2 every night, or am I misreading something?

[borkjerfkin]

No, the manner in which Titus claimed is fucking town and I'm not voting there.

[borkjerfkin]

No theres no real harm in it by 1 why waste discussion time snd 2 why make a road map for scum kills

We are doing the opposite, we are diverting scum kills to less optimal people.

[borkjerfkin]

But I'm not going to begrudge the point let's do it when we have more time.

[borkjerfkin]

use spoiler=

[borkjerfkin]

I see where Jiffy's coming from and I don't want to derail the thread with it; just talk amongst yourselves tonight about it and maybe put up the towniest player in your own hood. We can formalize it more later.

[borkjerfkin]

Hi mollie

I'm around for a bit lemme know when you're up to date.

[borkjerfkin]

Fapping

[borkjerfkin]

I was seriously discussing with you over it because I was trying to figure out why you were okay with policy lynching when I offered alternatives on Page 1. I didn't like the idea of wasting Day 1 on a policy lynch. But to me, your motives seemed to basically boil down to "get sensor right away" and "knock out objectives so we don't have to deal with them later."

That's an accurate portrayal.

Anyway your catchup is making me think I took a wrong turn; you're already not interacting with me like you did in x-roads.

[borkjerfkin]

K. Just keep your eyes out for other potential targets. It's comforting, at least, that you're not a vigilante. Thoughts on Clusk92? He was apart of that whole RVS nonsense with Venmar. I suppose I wouldn't mind hearing more thoughts across the board about Clusk. Seems like he should be pinging on people's scumdars to some extent, since he RV'd then peaced.

Clusk isn't on the table today due to which neighborhood he's in.

[borkjerfkin]

Can you guys both link some scum meta parallels that you're drawing from?

[borkjerfkin]

Cause fuck armchair meta.

[borkjerfkin]

There isn't much to comment on anyways, last pages were meh and me agreeing with Bork and Majiffy posts.

How is this like Titus' play from Udesign.

I've seen you all tunnely like this before in my games and the result was that you got disengaged as fuck and a lot of people started to scumread you over it (this actually really really reminds me of Xenosaga with you)

[borkjerfkin]

@Mac & Cheese: Posted several iterations of it, with minor alterations as we came up with the plan.

First instance of this was Thu, July 15 9:09 PM CDT (GMT-5) [I assume this is not against the rules; other people have been posting timestamps]

[borkjerfkin]

Sorry, July 17. Dunnp where the fuck 15 came from.

[borkjerfkin]

@mac n cheese: I want to know how you plan to discern between [communication via scum qt] and [people having similar ideas because they want abilities too]

If they copied my wording that's one thing, but otherwise, meh.

[borkjerfkin]

Think about the motivation to do that given everything you know about the setup, Venmar.

[borkjerfkin]

I am kinda losing steam for the night. Tonally I don't see anything in Venmar's linked scum games that are making me rethink my read on him but I didn't read them all that closely and I don't think he's for today anyway.

[borkjerfkin]

Before I go to bed:

Please keep up to date on the votes in neighborhoods for Objective #1. There is zero fucking reason any hood should miss out on it today.

[borkjerfkin]

mornin'

I do not have the hardon for mollie's wall that some others do. It displays a huge lack of gamesense (like entirely missing the point of the policy lynch wrt this game) despite the fact that I thought she was thinking the same things I was pre-game, and I have no idea why the shit she would be getting weird on me or Jiffy at this point in the game considering what we've done. Was gonna call them weak gut town before I read it due to others' neighborhood testimonies and early presence

haven't read anything since yet

[borkjerfkin]

Its just regular old mollie paranoia bork.

I'll roll with it for now.

Mollie - remember how I got with you in walking dead? I would really rather not repeat it.

[borkjerfkin]

I don't remember you playing walking dead

But maybe Venmar the masterful game mod can shed more insight

i was a town rb and replaced out mid-late game

or you know you could go look

[borkjerfkin]

not to be confused with left for dead which i was the backup mod for

p-edit: eek claimed VT in the neighborhood

[borkjerfkin]

did not claim a role name and I have no idea why he didn't claim out here.

[borkjerfkin]

Sorry, forgot.

Titus is providing us with an easy out low-risk lynch in case we get jammed up and need to get credit for the objective if we can't decide on anyone else that we think is scum in time.

That is pro-town as fuck.

[borkjerfkin]

I'm probably going to be running errands for a few hours. I think our neighborhood is set. Please do what you can to get your own hoods set for #1.

[borkjerfkin]

Why does it matter which one of us hammers? I'll fucking hammer it. Titus is in the 1-spot.

[borkjerfkin]

Let's just make sure the rest of Jiffyhood gets on.

[borkjerfkin]

It matters bc Eek is desperate not to be lynched.

I don't see how this conversation gets him toward that. It's just noise to me.

[borkjerfkin]

No, Bork, you're not going to hammer, titus does. Stop being uncooperative, we're lynching me, but on my rules.

It should seriously make zero difference which way it goes and I'm not willing to expend any more energy on talking about why.

[borkjerfkin]

no, no, you're just desperate not to hammer. don't throw this back at eek ; )

Again, why the fuck should Titus care whether or not she hammers. She's in a proper spot on the wagon right now; if she and I sandwich it it fulfills the objective.

[borkjerfkin]

._. Why do we have to unvote?

You don't.

[borkjerfkin]

So, either way it's going to be sandwhiched, so why are you refusing to comply with my wishes?

To subvert Murphy's Law by giving the lowest possible chance of fucking it up.

p-edit: yeah me saying titus and I will sandwich it is me totally not wanting the sensor

[borkjerfkin]

Fine.

[borkjerfkin]

No he isn't.

[borkjerfkin]

Not atm.

[borkjerfkin]

No, I actually no longer think it is.

[borkjerfkin]

I am not sure that's how it would work, eek.

[borkjerfkin]

- sandwhiched the lynch
- entire neighborhood on lynch

If you're town these don't fire.

[borkjerfkin]

It's reasonable.

[borkjerfkin]

- Successfully lynch

scum

with the whole neighborhood on the wagon
- Successfully lynch

scum

with neighborhood members in the first and last positions on the wagon

[borkjerfkin]

I think Eek is town.

[borkjerfkin]

This insta-sensor plan from eek makes sense exactly in the scenario that eek is town who misread #3 and #4 and no other scenario

[borkjerfkin]

why the fuck were we talking about policy lynches in the neighborhood then if those only apply to scum lynches

#1, @2, and @5 can be hit on any lynch. I talked about all this in my post.

[borkjerfkin]

Soo... like she said we can lynch her if all else fails or something?

I'm warming up to it. Conflicts with a lot of my early game thoughts but I see no town motivation in being obstinate about the eek wagon. I see scum motivation if she saw what I saw.

[borkjerfkin]

lynching her won't even get objectives 3 or 4

Give to a different hood.

[borkjerfkin]

It is implausible to know the objectives but not know they requires scum lynched.

Disagree.

[borkjerfkin]

I was hoping for a yes or no answer, or just a simple explanation. Because I still fail to see anything pro-town in her claim.

Well I don't have these for you. I explained why I felt how I did about her claim.

[borkjerfkin]

Omg just reword the below, it's confusing wording for me.

Titus is providing us with an easy out low-risk lynch in case we get jammed up and need to get credit for the objective if we can't decide on anyone else that we think is scum in time.

Titus lynch with a predict on her gave us a way to get #1/#5 without chance of lynching a PR.

[borkjerfkin]

Bork suppose Eek and Feu are scum...now does being stubborn make sense?

If eek is scum you're getting an scum lynch with the hammer so, what?

[borkjerfkin]

Bullshit. Everyone unvotes, like you wanted, there is no Eek wagon to hammer.

Why do you want unvotes if not to derail.

Not everyone, everyone that was before Feu.

As for the reason, well, *reasons*

p-edit: you are pegging feu for doing something he has not done.

[borkjerfkin]

But we didn't predict her?? She has been shoving the "I am obvtown and will never be lynched" bullshit down our throats all day, and doesn't seem willing to hammer herself anyways. Her claim was purely out of panic and desperation when she realized that I was town and she was getting backlash for it. She claimed VANILLA TOWNIE, THAT IS NOT A CLAIM that should sway our minds. Stop looking at the entire fucking game from a mechanic and setup PoV, I don't see why we should bend our spines out of place just to get one or two objectives because right now it's preventing a lot of people, me included, from freely or confidently scumhunting.

I know - it was a calculated risk by me pre-game in order to ensure we get our abilities, because for all I know the setup is balanced around us making a play for them.

If Titus was scum who wanted to make sure we didn't steamroll the objectives D1 I'd have expected a PR fakeclaim. That's the thing that swayed me at the time. It's possible she was counting on that, but I don't know.

[borkjerfkin]

And despite our neighborhood predicting Eek for Majiffy, I think Titus is still much more likely to flip scum than him.

I do too now since eek pretty much towned it up on the last few pages.

[borkjerfkin]

eek do you still support the you lynch w/ titus hammer?

[borkjerfkin]

I kinda feel like I'm being played and I'm not sure by whom.

[borkjerfkin]

VOTE: eek

[borkjerfkin]

I think the deal is that you'd be the hammer vote

[borkjerfkin]

I don't want you to do anything right now.

[borkjerfkin]

Venmar just chillax for a bit.

[borkjerfkin]

Fuck you

[borkjerfkin]

Obj 5, but yeah.

VOTE: Toog

Explain how you're miraculously fucking healing the gamestate by fucking us out of abilities that the game is likely balanced around.

Explain how you're incapable of dealing with a lynch pool of 10 people.

[borkjerfkin]

If you're town, seriously eat shit.

[borkjerfkin]

I can't take this game. The whole "play to objectives" thing is hurting my spirit to want to play.

That's the part where you FUCKING REPLACE OUT

[borkjerfkin]

Yeah uh you voted for a person in a hood that was already fucking available. There was literally no fucking town motivation to do what you did; you could've just said 'I wanna lynch cloud 9 and here's why' but nope, and now we have to deal with this bag of WIFOM too.

Yeah giving a fuck about abilities is for suckers and most games are solved by pure scumhunting and that's why town wins mountainous all the time.

[borkjerfkin]

What if the two neighborhoods up didn't even have scum in them?

1) Literally impossible!
2) What if the two neighborhoods have FOUR scum in them (which actually is possible)?

The point is that you can't possibly fucking know that what you did raised our chances of increasing the scum% of lynchable players, so don't try to pretend you're doing us a fucking favor here.

How did we even get to 44 pages with nothing to talk about but half the player list anyways?

You barely even participated and you want to just handwave everything we've done into not productive? There's a shit ton of relational reads floating around. The ability thing is there, but IT'S PART OF THE SETUP. It's not going away.

[borkjerfkin]

Brian's good.

I think you're off track on majiffy mostly but his last stuff before he left seemed less ragey than I would expect

[borkjerfkin]

Rogue opened well too.

[borkjerfkin]

Maybe. High error bars on my ability to interpret that.

[borkjerfkin]

(Not game related) God I'm fucking stupid

[borkjerfkin]

Titus is in your top 3 and you felt you just had to torpedo the ability thing, huh.

[borkjerfkin]

I'm really not buying it.

[borkjerfkin]

and why clusk

[borkjerfkin]

Cloud 9 trying to paint venmar's 5 as really anything does suck donkey balls.

[borkjerfkin]

I dont know and if he's town he should've fucking known wed be asking ourselves that for the rest of the day, further shitting up the gamestate

[borkjerfkin]

Was to snowstorm

[borkjerfkin]

The only think that bothers me with you is that you had no problem with the gamestate when you first posted. You had no problem with focusing only in half of the players and working towards fulfilling the objectives. So this change of mind comes of as unnatural.

It's extremely unnatural.

At no point did he come in and try to voice his objections before this, which I'd have at least fucking listened to. Barely anything about his two scumreads either, WHICH WERE ALREADY IN THE FUCKING POOL

But he's 'worried that there's possibly no scum in those hoods.' while having 2/3 major scumreads in them. Right.

[borkjerfkin]

#5 is hosed, #1 is in an unknown spot (eek looks considerably better than he did but some of the interaction with him vs titus rubbed me weird in a way that I am having trouble articulating)

#3 and #4 have always depended on a scum lynch, #2 on night play. We're playing the day normally as far as the lynch pool now. We should still try to get #3/#4

[borkjerfkin]

A hypothetical question posed to make your position look reasonable yet at the same time with no basis in reality

[borkjerfkin]

<3

[borkjerfkin]

Fuck you

If you're town, seriously eat shit.

I apologize for these that was out of line.

[borkjerfkin]

@C9: I didn't like your Venmar angle early game. Everything else levied against you I haven't really attempted to corroborate (probably precisely because you haven't been around)

[borkjerfkin]

I never said what I did was reasonable. I did it to shake the game state up. I wanted to point out how foolishly stupid it is to sit here for 40 pages trying to finagle the lynch just right, even though many people voting Eek were starting to town read him. I mean seriously, fucked up priorities. Lynch a town read just so we can progress towards some 1 shot night actions.

But you didn't just try to shift the momentum onto Titus, which would have allowed you to have your cake and eat it, and I can't for the life of me figure out

why.

[borkjerfkin]

But, sadly, the playerbase nowadays is two headstrong. So I'm a top scumread now for planning, trying to convince people to follow plans, getting angry and players for ignoring me, and being absent for twelve hours.

Did anyone actually list any of these as reasons?

[borkjerfkin]

like borky don't you have both eek and titus as townreads? I know that you were working your way up to a scumread on titus but other than you feel like you are "being played here" I am hardpushed as to see why.

I'm trying to get past the WIFOM behind "I am ok with being lynched as long as X happens".

Mollie if you're not townreading me by now I just don't fucking know what to say to you.

Like christ.

[borkjerfkin]

re: policy lynching - it shld be pretty obvious that I was addressing pl-ing a player cos you donnae like dem rather than pl-ing players based on obtaining an objective. where were people confused about this re: borky.

That's fine but that wasn't anyone's plan was really ever about this game.

My position has always been "let's try to hit scum, but try to keep all the votes within a single neighborhood and decide on a lynch within 24 hours if at all possible.

These neighborhood abilities are not fucking fruit vendors. They have very clear positive utility. Especially a sensor.

[borkjerfkin]

are you townreading me?

I think I am now, yes.

[borkjerfkin]

read what I said. I could get spooky on you and majiffy cos I know you both are good as scum and know how to play off each other <--- this is called a compliment, not whatever filter you are manufacturing in order to get pissy with me.

Ok. Look: I'm not manufacturing anything. We're butting heads, we always do it, and I want to stop it because I very often have trouble with you early game.

you are off the table for today. like I said this already

I am very obviously not concerned about being lynched. Getting you on my side isn't about that. That's

also

a compliment.

p-edit: I wasn't really ever talking about Cloud 9 wrt policy lynches.

[borkjerfkin]

okay so who were you talking about?

Myself and anyone else who was considering policy lynching for slamming objectives early, which I support in the context of this game.

If you were condemning a separate thing that actually happened that I missed then I have no problem with what you said.

[borkjerfkin]

I was and muffina thinks a lot like you which I find interesting. cos it looked like to me cloud nine was doing just that.

I feel that the catalyst for bringing up policy lynching in this game is going to be for ability farming. I think the player aspect is just a way to justify who to do it too, not to do it at all, since we had 24 hours to get full #1 objective credit.

[borkjerfkin]

no seriously its scum titus

take a good hard look

the eek x titus interactions were VERY ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE

I think this too, but it still looks to me like a chess game where the party line is 'I'll take the fall for the town here as long as you do something specific" and I'm having trouble figuring out which is coming from which alignment.

How do you generally read scum Titus?

[borkjerfkin]

I think reckless claiming and derpy wagoning is going to undo us more than not getting a few hood prs. Were bound to have some regular prs floating around that will be more useful in the short term.

I really wanted to limit any day play that didn't involve pure scumhunting (and finagling #3 and #4 but we can do that on any wagon) to Day 1.

Because of various people that isn't possible now, so I'm just going to hope that we do get to a point on a later day that makes it easy to get #1 and #5.

[borkjerfkin]

For the others: the advice was to take a walk.

Also, Eek 180ed on Titus in the neighborhood thread overnight for [paraphrasing] being too stubborn about the wagon thing to be scum and it's weirding me out.

[borkjerfkin]

fuck everything else in the mean time

Yeah I guess I missed the part where I said this. What I did say was "let's try to figure out who to lynch in 24 hours if we can and not make superfluous votes on people so we can get some extra night actions early in the game and not have to fucking worry about it anymore"

But objection noted.

[borkjerfkin]

Also maybe you could stop being a cock too.

[borkjerfkin]

i suppose i imagined the part where you were town reading eek and still wanted to lynch him

I'm not fucking sure how I feel about eek.

[borkjerfkin]

Seriously if this is gonna be a game full of you being passive aggressive just tell me now so I can leave

[borkjerfkin]

I was and I thought he had some kind of extra thing up his sleeve (re: titus hammer)

I am not sure about that now.

[borkjerfkin]

Because making the best guess we can after 24 hours (which expired before any of this shit with eek went down) and controlling votes is something that I actually thought was going to be a huge boon to us and it's not like that precluded us from ever possibly getting a scum lynch today and people are acting like it does.

[borkjerfkin]

what are your current reads bork

Here are some quick tiers that I compiled in like 2 minutes:

Town:
Rogue
Brian
Majiffy
...you guys (and your demeanor is reinforcing that even if you're kinda being a jerk [seriously I'd appreciate if you'd stop])
Brian
Venmar

(Tier 2)
---
Snowstorm
feu (both eek and titus are scumreading them in the hood now which I find odd/interesting)
nero
ika

(Conflicted and want to work out asap. Really really think there is 1 scum here due to interactions)
----
eek
Titus

(Others/Lynchable)
----
Toog (I'm willing to talk to people more about this since some are coming down hard in his defense but the manner in which he did it provided pretty much no help to town)
ULF
SKOT
Cloud 9
Rubik
Clusk
PV

[borkjerfkin]

lol I put brian twice

[borkjerfkin]

the wya i envisioned this day phase playing out is using a fos system instead of votes, lynch when the fos count reaches the lynch threshold by organising neighbourhoods onto the lynch to potentially achieve objectives 3/4, IF that lynch was the one neighbourhoods predicted, yay, bonus, if not, whatever, forcing it does not help things apart from achieving objectives, which aren't a necessity immediately

I'd have been fine with this too. It throws Objective #1 to a different day and maybe that's ok. My strategy was a little higher risk higher reward.

[borkjerfkin]

I am this close to replacing out but then I see people starting to townread Toog after me saying he's town. So maybe just maybe I can prove everyone else is town so you'd lynch scum

I have no problem hammerring scum, Brian. That was a stunt by Eek to dissolve his wagon.

Time for updated reads

Can you read the neighborhood and tell me what you think?

[borkjerfkin]

i am not on anyone's town list and that makes for a sad game

i will not read this game on my phone because it is bad for me.

maybe i can wait for mastin yea?

I don't really know how to read you and you haven't really done enough to have a solid non-meta read on you. I've almost never had to try (you're generally masons with me in every game we're in together, lol)

[borkjerfkin]

yeah I dunno where GIF was that game but I fucking whiffed big time

[borkjerfkin]

Certainly there are no past games to see how the moderator chooses characters for roles, nonetheless I think it's valid as a supplemental argument (not a foundational one - I agree there).

What is your foundational argument then?

I'm not biting on flavor spec in general and in specific I'm not biting on it here: I skimmed the Earth-295 article for Nightcrawler and he's a member of the X-men and a pretty popular character in general. It's reasonable he's in the game, and I don't see how you can, in good conscience, make any argument that his minor influence in this universe is alignment indicative.

[borkjerfkin]

I skimmed it real quick for the past 5 min or so (Titus is Hannibal)

Not seeing the degree of fight as the D1 lynch in that game that I've seen so far in this game, but that's armchair meta. What are you seeing?

[borkjerfkin]

I don't care about flavor claims one way or the other as an indication of alignment.

I think Snow was in my tier 2 town-ish group though and I'm gonna reread him as to why.

[borkjerfkin]

Only thing that pings me is 1083-1116-1120 re:toogeloo looks at least like it

could

be a fabricated conclusion that he planned to arrive at considering nothing Toog did between those posts should've changed his mind.

[borkjerfkin]

There are a lot of tonal things that are pushing me in a lot of different directions with Titus.

[borkjerfkin]

Eek decided Titus was town and Feu was scum in the neighborhood all the sudden and it has totally thrown my read off on the dynamic between the three of them, considering I didn't see any indication Eek thought Feu was scum before that and was screaming for Titus' head yesterday.

[borkjerfkin]

I also have no real scum reads in this thread.

In our neighborhood:
Titus changed her posting style in our neighborhood and subsequently in this game after bork and myself got townread for discussing the game mechanics. I'm also not really liking the bork-titus interaction since we posted reads in our neighborhood and since the game started.

Vol et feu is town. You can take that to the bank.

Brian posted almost nothing in our hood, take that how you want it.
bork feels town, he took charge of the game mechanics discussion and proposed the original plan in our thread, vol et feu posted that titus appears to act as if it's her plan, don't be fooled, it's entirely bork and me.

Considering he posted shit like this earlier. Like what the fuck has feu really done to reverse all that?

[borkjerfkin]

And I don't get Titus' angle on Feu either because it's pretty much entirely personal experience based and I can't relate to that.

[borkjerfkin]

Basically what I'm saying is that I'm feeling worse about Eek.

[borkjerfkin]

But not about Feu. Like at all. I think they're town.

[borkjerfkin]

Also there is a big elephant in the room with Eek that Feu and I have both picked up on that I want Eek to personally address, either in here or the hood.

[borkjerfkin]

Quote me Brian's read change on C9 if you would

[borkjerfkin]

Eek 180ed on Titus to pursue Feu who he was previously townreading without provocation in neighborhood.

[borkjerfkin]

I don't see an inconsistency there.

[borkjerfkin]

I'm not even sure what Titus-eek means in this context anymore

[borkjerfkin]

Oh.

Interactions don't really feel like S-S to me. Probably T-S. Feu just seems like T caught in the middle.

[borkjerfkin]

@feu: Why are you so adamant Titus is scum?

You just came out with guns blazing and never really explained it.

[borkjerfkin]

I want you to explain in the way that is transparent and easy to understand; however you get that done is your business