Lowell wrote:
Good post. This guy is town.
Teffc wrote:hiya there. i'm back just wanted to drop by to say i'm still alive
Primoris wrote:
Vote: ryan
ryan (4) : deezr, Lowell, HackerHuck, Aimee
Albert B. Rampage (2) : Primoris, TrustGossip
Aimee wrote:Albert jumps in with another rhyme, and points suspicion at Lowell and Teffc, yet doesn’t explain why. The two posts he gives as reasons aren’t justifiable of any suspicion. Therefore why do you consider Teffc and Lowell to be the most suspicious?
JordanA24 wrote: As for my suspicions,Teffc hasn't made any posts other than a random vote and some blog like things rather than any meaningful conversation, this especially stood out for me:
morning, my computer crashed yesterday and i had to have it fixed...sorry i couldn't post earlier
there are a few persons i would like to see post.
so i'm sticking to my first choice, deezer.Is he making a few random/slightly helpful posts to try and make herself look more pro-town than she really is?
I'm keeping my vote avaliable at the moment but I'mFOS/IGMEOY:Teffc
Teffc wrote: Why the bold statement, HackerHuck? Seems to me you are trying to get someone's attention with that. Is there any particular reason for it? Being immune to investigations sounds like a good reason for saying it.
@ Lowell
HH suspects you and all you can reply is
Good post. This guy is town.Feeling safe he is not voting for you?
fosHackerHuck andLowell
Lowell wrote:Good post. This guy is town.Sweenytodd wrote:Oooh... and that vote count reminds me toVote: Ryan
Now comes the part where opportunists jump on me!
Lowell wrote:unvote, vote jordanfor being scum.
Lowell wrote:unvote, vote Trustgosspto bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.
How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.
Lowell wrote:My apologies. That bandwagon was totally unnecessary.ryan wrote:WHY would you bandwagon a potential townie? I'm not sure I like your tacticsLowell wrote:unvote, vote Trustgosspto bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.
How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.unvote, vote ryan. FEEEAAR me...
Lowell wrote:
All that said, I'm no longer sure you're scum, if for no other reason than because this connection between you and Jordan is becoming too intense-- I would have expected a little distancing by now if you were both scum. Let me find another wagon to join.unvote, vote teffc. I have no idea what the case is against him, but other people seem to like it, so I'm there!
Lowell wrote:Wait, do I still have someone's random vote on me? Screw this:
unvote, vote OTU. I can OMGUS with the best of them.
Lowell wrote:I'm going back tounvote, vote ryan. Your last few posts have been a bit off, in my opinion. Something about the way you wrote "us townies" and argued that quiet players are actually HELPFUL doesn't sit right.
Lowell wrote:I've got two scum now. Ryan and Albert. Discuss.
I can't talk now (internet cafe), but will write more when I get back to work on Tuesday.
ryan wrote:
Who are your top choices right now Rapper ABR?
FraggleScum wrote:I have a question I want to make sure I ask you guys...
Ryan and Jordan: If we lynch Lowell today, and he turns out to be innocent, how do you see days 2 and maybe 3 going? What would you do?
Lowell: Same question: If we lynch Ryan or Jordan...and they are innocent...what do you think our approach should be Day 2?
I ask because none of you have convinced me yet, but we seem to be bouncing back and forth between the three of you a lot in these pages. SoI just want to hear from you and make sure you have some sort of thought about the future.
FraggleScum wrote:
Whoa...I really hope that's not it. Maybe he was saying that I was right...and he really is bored and just posting that way?
ryan wrote:#1 He is trying to stop the bandwagon on him or#2 He has a new post restriction.
Of course, I am not making myself any illusions. A little correction tough: I was actually the first to target Fraggle seriously. For me to place Fraggle above Lowell in scumminess, I'm sure that undermined the mafia and seeded his bandwagon a great deal.Sweenytodd wrote:See this is untrue... If you had wanted to steer us that way you could have said... "Hey guys, I think fraggle is scum for these reasons..." But instead you faked a restriction making you unreadable during day 1 and yes, that bugs the heck outta me. You were deliberately unhelpful (people even asked direct questions which you ignored) and while you were early on Fraggle which is a good thing, you have things to answer for.I started getting a lot of scummy vibes from fragglescum and tried to direct attention his way.
Unless we have a second vig, there is almost certainly a serial killer among us. One of the main reasons I'm posting normally is I'm the prime SK suspect right now. You might think that's kinda cool, but I don't wanna be lynched based on some of my music preference 8)JordanA24 wrote:Don't think Ryan killed HH, Dinobot's primary weapon was a sword, nothing to do with fire.
JordanA24 wrote:Not knowing much about the show, I'm not sure, but I think thatAlbert B. Rampage wrote:Unless we have a second vig, there is almost certainly a serial killer among us. One of the main reasons I'm posting normally is I'm the prime SK suspect right now. You might think that's kinda cool, but I don't wanna be lynched based on some of my music preference 8)if we have an SK, it'd probably be Rampage(the charachter, not you Albert).
Maximals and Predacons vs. Vok aliens and maybe other unknown baddiesAimee wrote:I read the wiki recently, and I don't really understand. Is the town the Maximal people, and the scum the other Peramoti-oties, or whatever? I am totally confused. Dusk, we need you!
There has to either be another vig or a SK. Two vigs are unlikely, and 2 mafia groups of 2 is improbable since we lynched aAimee wrote: Also, the game would be very unbalanced, in my opinion, to have three killing roles (Mafia, Vig and SK).
Aimee wrote:So, that is what has happened through the game. Now I will do a player analysis.
I am suspicious ofAlbert B. Rampage’spoetry. I am pretty sure this is a post restriction at work. I want him to explain if he can why he has to post like this.
Dezzrhas obviously lurked and needs a prod.
I feel overall thatHackerHuckis playing slightly aggressively, but I believe is acting in the interests of the town, and is an active and beneficial player. I don’t see the cases against him.
JordanI initially saw as pro-town, but he has come back with some bizarre suspicions, and has notably played safely without taking risks with voting, which I see as quite crucial. This is maybe a way to get out of the blame when voting can be fully analysed later.
LowellI initially saw as just searching for reactions. However, the fact that he is quite obviously lurking and not contributing just emphasises the way that maybe he was just starting a case against Ryan for the sake of it. I am less impressed than I was.
OverTheUnderneeds a prod, as a lurker.
I seePrimorisas a very helpful member of the town at the moment, and feel that his analysis has often be very accurate.
AlthoughRyanhas made some good points, I feel that his cases and points against Lowell, especially HH have been unjustified and illogical. I want to know his cases against them.
Teffcis really acting scummy. She has attacked HH for seemingly little reason, and has been making points I feel for the sake of making points – to appear pro-town. Some of her analysis is just a mirror of other people’s, and I have yet to see any major opinions from her (with the exception of her bizarre case against HH).
TrustGossipI haven’t really got an opinion on, but I want to hear his summary. In fact, I see him as a potential lurker.
So, as a result...
unvote, as I will probably re-vote determining the reactions to my summary.
FoS: JordanA24, Lowell, Ryan and Teffc
Minor FoS: Albert B. Rampage and TrustGossip
As for Lowell, he doesn't seem so scummy to me as others might suggest. I have mixed feelings towards Jordan. I'll post an analysis on Dusk and Sweeny shortly.TrustGossip wrote:Ok.
Primoris, your L-2 on ryan was very unwise when there were four (five?!) lurkers at that time. And for what?
Ryan has been very talkative, explained his interpretation of the reason for voting, explained his theories on multiple people. Isn't that the reason for bandwagoning? To mine information from a particular player? And ryan has done all of this, and everything a bandwagon could accomplish short of a total crack or a nameclaim.
I have some problems with teffc and ryan both insisting on Hackerhuck and Lowell being scum. That's tying them together through nameplanting, and although I see your reasons for suspecting Lowell, I fail to see what's suspicious about Hackerhuck.
teffc in particular worries me with phrases like, "too clean", "too safe", "not enough evidence". Well duh on the evidence, we still have two lurkers that have done next to nothing in this game.
Jordan and Albert seem safest to me. Although Albert was somewhat cryptic in the beginning, he's opened up quite a lot with his (I'm assuming) post-restriction. I especially agree with post 85, which is essentially my first paragraph.
aimee, time will tell. I know you had finals and your summary was very helpful, but long summaries with commentary can be a scum tactic to shift suspicions and et. cetera. You're still neutral to me though, leaning towards town.
Hackerhuck I'd like to see more information come out of you. You seem very town ATM but I'd definitely like to see more contribution, maybe you'd need a wagon on you to talk...?
I agree with aimee's assessment that teffc is the scummiest. Posting for the sake of posting and not helping in the investigation, obsfucating ryan's actual intentions and actually contributing on the wagon on him since he seems to agree with HH and lowell as scum. Unless you're both scum playing a game of good cop/bad cop extremely ineptly, I'd say I have a reason to suspect you.
lowell, I had some suspicion about you at the beginning, but now you've gone to lurking. Please don't let this be a scum tactic because it's really obvious (and it's kind of working, because I don't think you're that scummy really).
To the last two. Post already. Really, c'mon, it's page five.
Unvote: Vote teffc
FOS: Primoris, lowell
TrustGossip wrote:And I suppose that I should be the flagbearer for the case against teffc? It's in my best interest to oppose a possible quick lynch of ryan, only because I see teffc's behavior as a greater evil. And now she has free license to lurk because she is up for replacement.
Could we get a vote count and the status of the last replacement, mod?
TrustGossip wrote:
The case against teffc is that the sum of her testimony is either; worthless (posting just for the sake of activity), vague (innumerable 'too' statements), or nonexistent (the long period of lurking until asking for a replacement).
But like I said earlier, her getting replaced is generally bad because now we have to wait for fraggle to post enough to analyse.
Unvote: teffc/Fragglescum
This is not really running away. He has been consistently attacking teffc and Fraggle; that's why I think he's town.TrustGossip wrote:
Fragglerock: extended lurk period after replacing, no urge to establish town-ness even though his predecessor has/had a bandwagon on them. Why?
TrustGossip wrote: And Fraggle and aimee... ehhh. They're doing their "part". It's negligible, but it's not particularly scummy, yet it's not the most helpful either.
But this is as close as it gets.TrustGossip wrote: ObligatoryMinor FOS: Aimeefor doing exactly what FraggleScum had done, albeit in a less obvious manner.
I was also pretty much against the Jordan bandwagon. There is no proof that Jordan is town, however. That is the reason I particularly dislike this post:Albert B. Rampage wrote:Ryan like all soldiers fought, to be accepted
Specially by those who rejected him the most
See nobody's perfect
And off course everyone makes mistakes
Primoris wrote:
Vote: ryanryan (4) : deezr, Lowell, HackerHuck, Aimee
Albert B. Rampage (2) : Primoris, TrustGossip
Jordan's alignment is absolutely ambiguous, just like my own and everybody elses. The only players who know who is mafia is the scum.Aimee wrote:I also dislike his second post because it says he thought Jordan, HH and ryan were pro-town.This is pretty obvious- HH and ryan were dead and confirmed, andJordan has claimed!
Albert B. Rampage in 621 wrote:
I was also pretty much against the Jordan bandwagon. There is no proof that Jordan is town, however. That is the reason I particularly dislike this post:
Jordan's alignment is absolutely ambiguous, just like my own and everybody elses. The only players who know who is mafia is the scum.Aimee wrote:I also dislike his second post because it says he thought Jordan, HH and ryan were pro-town.This is pretty obvious- HH and ryan were dead and confirmed, andJordan has claimed!
FoS Aimee
Maybe your right. But I find it strange that the 3 first players you make your analysis on(which are awesome btw) you have all found to not be good lynch candidates. Normally, one would start with analyzing the most suspicious; for you that would be TG.Aimee wrote:Well, that's stupid. What I meant was that Jordan has claimed, and there is absolutely no reason at this point to doubt his claim. You are clearly focusing far too heavily on the semantics of the situation, and not understand my intent, which is far more important.
If this is why I am the most scummy in your eyes, it is very weak.
You have been very careful not to step on any toes, not to anger anyone, shown as in here:Aimee wrote:I'm going to do that for every player over the next several days. Hope to have a definite answer by then.Albert B. Rampage wrote:So who is the most suspicious person in your mind ?
I know this is a non-answer, really. I need to re-read before deciding anything majorly. Although tentively I would put Dusk and TrustGossip as my top two.
Aimee wrote:Dusk, I would advice you to read some games Lowell has completed recently. Trust me, he plays like this. What he has done is definitely play-style related.
Aimee wrote:Overall, not much to go on. I find it quite suspicious he doesn't give explanations about Primoris or Fraggle (I would like to see them), and he seems to lurk quite a lot. More analysis is definitely appreciated. Despite this,I wouldn't put him as a major candidate to be scumat the moment, although it may become a possibility nearer the endgame.
Aimee wrote:It would be very illogical as scum for Albert to go quite so hard against Fraggle.This makes me think he is pro-town, even though his actions are somewhat dubious in places.
In conclusion, you don't focus on attacking the players you find most suspicious, instead you seem to want to boost your reputation and re-assuring players that you're not after them. Usually you are more aggressive torwards your suspects, and this makes me think that your mafia trying to build up credibility with the town.Aimee wrote:So yes, that's basically all we have so far on Confused.Primoris was in my eyes pro-town, and Confused has done nothing to change my opinion, and has, if anything, strengthened that. Although he has some things I find bizarre (Lowell at the top of his townie list being the main one), I see him as most definitely pro-town at this point.[/url]
I have a huge problem with this post. Aimee flatters Sweeny and showers him with all the compliments in the world, and couples her "doubts" with really bad arguments.Aimee wrote:5. Sweenytodd
Sweeny is someone who has been, for many people, including myself, seen as highly pro-town. I know several players like this, and the way they act so pro-town ends up making them unreadable. So, I'm going to be delving a bit deeper into his posts to try and spot anything even remotely scummy.
First up is his opening analysis.As expected, it's pretty flawless - lots of good points. I agree with every single point he makes in this post, which definitely gives me confidence that we are on the same wavelength. Despite this, I don't exactly like his conclusion:
I get an odd feeling here - most players he basically feels are neutral,Sweenytodd wrote:I am also suspicious of Teffc but I want to wait on a replacement... Most of Teffc's posts have made little sense to me so maybe another player will have a fresh perspective. I also would like to hear from Jordan about why he is so quick to defend Ryan and what the case is against Lowell, Your post #114 is pretty weak so if there is more of a case please point me to it.
People I feel neutral about are almost everybody... I can't read Albert well with his post restriction which frustrates me, I liked Aimee's summary but would like to see some follow up to it.
Person I feel to be town: Hackerhuck... throughout the game I have read his posts as very strongly town and looking for scum, he is the only one I have a strong feel about...which is quite a non-committal stance*. I'm going to give him plus points for his HackerHuck comment, and minus points for his "I feel neutral about... almost everybody," which has a level of non-committalness that makes me uneasy. I'm also slightly leary of the way he backed down from ryan's pressure concerning sweeny putting him at -2. However, my initial thoughts are that he is incredibly pro-town - I am really nitpicking here.
That said,he is very consistent, and is very helpful, asking good questions and following them up effectively. He makes a case against Teffc and Jordan, and defends Lowell from ryan and Jordan. I agree with all his posts. One thing that worries me is that he hasn't given his thoughts on every player coherently - there's been a lot about ryan, Lowell, Teffc, with less on some of the quieter players (including myself and TG), even though he tends to ask everyone questions.I'm not concerned he was on the Jordan wagon seeing as he justified his suspicions very clearly and concisely.
He was, as Lowell said an early voter of Fraggle, but even at the time I worried that he was sitting back after he voted, which was why I asked him how he felt about it.His response was good and I was reassured.
After being absent for what seems like genuine real-life reasons, he comes back and (finally) gives clear thoughts on each player. I generally agree with his analysis of every player (with the exception of my own and Dusk). I don't really see how not voting for 10 pages is a particularly bad scum-tell - I am genuinely cautious with my vote. I also do not see how Dusk is the most pro-town - even though I think she is pro-town, I would not call her the most pro-town.
So, overall, I find Sweeny to be very pro-town like I expected. Although I have a few minor issues (the way he labelled most players neutrally in his opening analysis, and a few issues with myself and Dusk in his most recent one), I don't really see this as an inherent scumtell.
However, I would not at all clear Sweeny - I've got my eye on him, because as I have said before, people who always appear pro-town like this can become dangerous later, especially if everyone begins to trust them too much. At the moment, I do have no real issues other than the above with Sweeny. I think he is pro-town.
