Mini 442 - Beast Wars Mafia Game Over

[JordanA24]

Vote: TrustGossip

For being last to confirm.[/b]

[JordanA24]

unvote, vote jordan

for being scum.

Yay, my first ever vote!

[JordanA24]

unvote, vote jordan

for being scum.

Yay, my first ever vote!

That doesn't sound like a denial.

You can't fight random.org.

[JordanA24]

So there :p

[JordanA24]

Somebody's gotta die
If I go, you gotta go
Somebody's gotta die
Let the gunshots blow
Somebody's gotta die
Nobody gotta know
That I killed yo a** in the mist, kid

Relax and take notes, while I take tokes of the marijuana smoke
Throw you in a choke - gun smoke, gun smoke
Albert B. Rampage for mayor, the city slayer
The hooker layer - scummers say your prayers

Nice rhymes Albert. Any reason?

[JordanA24]

unvote, vote Trustgossp

to bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.

How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.

WHY would you bandwagon a potential townie? I'm not sure I like your tactics

He could also be potential scum.

Random bandwagons are alright on day 1, they can sometimes make a scum crack under pressure. I once saw a game where the godfather was lynched day 1 based on effectively a random bandwagon.

[JordanA24]

unvote, vote Trustgossp

to bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.

How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.

WHY would you bandwagon a potential townie? I'm not sure I like your tactics

He could also be potential scum.

Random bandwagons are alright on day 1, they can sometimes make a scum crack under pressure. I once saw a game where the godfather was lynched day 1 based on effectively a random bandwagon.

I agree that bandwagon's sometimes can get people to crack but isn't it also possible we mess up and nuke one of our townies? That makes me a little uneasy about piling on a newbie who could mess up and get defensive EVEN if they are a townie (saw it happen in a few games I've played). I just would hate to put the axe to one of our own on the first day ya know?

Fair point I suppose, and since we've moved out of the random voting stage,

Unvote

.

[JordanA24]

By random voting, even though we have a chance of catching scum, we've got a much higher chance of catching a pro-town player, if that vote turns into a random bandwagon, which looked like a possibility, we've got plenty of newbies who'd probably act suspicious under pressure even when they're not scum. That's why I unvoted.

[JordanA24]

I think Albert's posts are definatly something to keep an eye on, is there any role that could possibly have a link with poetry, as I don't think Albert's doing it just to test his poetry skills. But then again, posting restrictions in a game like this seems a bit odd, so, Albert's a bit of a mystery to me.

As for my suspicions, Teffc hasn't made any posts other than a random vote and some blog like things rather than any meaningful conversation, this especially stood out for me:

morning, my computer crashed yesterday and i had to have it fixed...sorry i couldn't post earlier
there are a few persons i would like to see post.
so i'm sticking to my first choice, deezer.

Is he making a few random/slightly helpful posts to try and make herself look more pro-town than she really is?

I'm keeping my vote avaliable at the moment but I'm

FOS/IGMEOY:Teffc

[JordanA24]

You mean Lowell & HackerHuck?

[JordanA24]

Well, Deezr was a random vote, Aimee gave a reason, albeit a slightly poor one. But, this early in the game, we certainly don't have concrete evidence on anyone yet, though I agree with you on Lowell being the main suspect so far, joint top with Teffc for reasons stated above.

[JordanA24]

Yep, I'm keeping my vote open until I really believe someone's scum.

[JordanA24]

I'm waiting for someone to act scummishly enough for me to put a vote on them, it doesn't mean I'm not waiting for concrete evidence, like a cop investigation, but I'm not going to put votes on people for next to no reason either.

[JordanA24]

Sorry, supposed to be it doesn't mean I

am

waiting for concrete evidence...

[JordanA24]

Quote:

Sorry, supposed to be it doesn't mean I am waiting for concrete evidence...



so you're saying you may at some point vote out of the blue without anything that's really striking...and you know, you do seem to be contradicting yourself

Sorry, I really was tired last night, it IS supposed to mean I'm NOT waiting for concrete evidence.

Quote:

Yep, I'm keeping my vote open until I really believe someone's scum.



too me it does seem you are trying to play it cool and way too safe. Are you waiting for an opportunity to bandwagon or even hammer someone? YOu have been keeping count of posts and posting and awful lot of theory but no real substance in those posts of yours. You seem to be prodding to see who cracks so you may cling on.

care to tell us more?

I just don't want to lynch someone who might have an important pro-town role based on crap evidence and flawed logic.

[JordanA24]

Unvote

Vote: Ryan

Apologies about that.

Ryan, I'm sorry but like I said you haven't convinced me yet of being innocent and putting a 5th vote on you brings you in danger which is always interesting. Perhaps one of your scum buddies will unvote now to save you, perhaps they'll do the exact opposite and vote as well to look innocent.

I'm not suggesting we should sacrifice you to gain information but I'm willing to put you in danger to get some.

FOS:Primoris

for logic which can be described as no more than BS.

And I haven't liked your last few posts either.

[JordanA24]

Jordan then says dezzr voted Ryan randomly, and I voted with a reason. He then chimes in that Lowell and Teffc are the most suspicious. With Teffc I see your reasoning. With Lowell, I see no reasoning. Why Lowell?

For the same reasons everyone else suspected him, these:

unvote, vote Trustgossp to bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.

How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.

ryan wrote:
Lowell wrote:
unvote, vote Trustgossp to bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.

How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.


WHY would you bandwagon a potential townie? I'm not sure I like your tactics


My apologies. That bandwagon was totally unnecessary. unvote, vote ryan. FEEEAAR me...

Jordan makes a post saying he isn’t looking for overwhelming concrete evidence to vote for someone. Personally, I see this as a back-track because he knows it has been received badly.

I wasn't backtracking, I wasn't looking for concrete evidence in the first place, my post had simply been misinterpreted. I've already explained my carefulness, though, as you pointed out, it was taken badly, but I'm not backing down.

Jordan also says that unpredictable newbies could act irrationally and put on votes. I disagree with this, because whilst there are newbies like this, they are unlikely to muster enough votes for a lynch, which would have to have some provocation.

Again, I get misinterpreted, what I said was that newbies may well act suspicious under pressure, not that newbies might vote unpredictably. Don't know where you got that from.

Apart from that, very good analysis, and congrats on becoming Mafia Scum.

[JordanA24]

Jordan, please try and include names in your quotes. I'm not sure who said what you posted above.

Sorry. .

[JordanA24]

Albert jumps in with another rhyme, and points suspicion at Lowell and Teffc, yet doesn’t explain why. The two posts he gives as reasons aren’t justifiable of any suspicion. Therefore why do you consider Teffc and Lowell to be the most suspicious?

"Mr. Rampage, can you please explain the meaning behind your violent lyrics?"

Explain tha meaning?? What tha f*** these **** talkin about...

As for my suspicions,

Teffc hasn't made any posts other than a random vote and some blog like things rather than any meaningful conversation

, this especially stood out for me:

morning, my computer crashed yesterday and i had to have it fixed...sorry i couldn't post earlier
there are a few persons i would like to see post.
so i'm sticking to my first choice, deezer.

Is he making a few random/slightly helpful posts to try and make herself look more pro-town than she really is?

I'm keeping my vote avaliable at the moment but I'm

FOS/IGMEOY:Teffc

Why the bold statement, HackerHuck? Seems to me you are trying to get someone's attention with that. Is there any particular reason for it? Being immune to investigations sounds like a good reason for saying it.

@ Lowell
HH suspects you and all you can reply is

Good post. This guy is town.

Feeling safe he is not voting for you?

fos

HackerHuck and

Lowell

My attitude is sh*tty, my message to the censorship comity
Who's tha biggest gang of mafia in the city?
The courts are the crooks
Take a closer look

Gotta watch your back, strapped
Real scum laugh back
If you get your ass taxed, swing your gat back

Unvote

Are you saying that me and Teffc are scum, or just Teffc?

The rhymes are great, but you make it a bit clearer what you mean, unless your posting restriction doesn't allow it.

[JordanA24]

Thanks Aimee.

[JordanA24]

So far, I see our main suspects as Teffc and Lowell.

For starters both haven't posted on this page at all, that's 2 days, although they haven't posted anywhere else either. But I still want to see a bit more defense, especially from Lowell. Teffc's last post said that she didn't suspect Ryan, and that sometimes mafia act so protown they are never suspected. (Pointing towards HH maybe?) I don't see anything hugely wrong with that.

But Lowell's last post I really didn't like:

That summary of Aimee's makes me weirdly suspcious, but I'm not sure why. M'eh.

What's wrong with a summary of the game, particularly one as useful and correct as that one? What doubts I already had about him have now been amplified by that.

Teffc's posting patterns up to this point, I think indicate newbie scum or a power role, but Lowell has just acted like scum to me. In fact, I'm so sure, I'm going to

Vote:Lowell

, and give Teffc an

FOS

.

And I've still got my eye on Primoris as well, but I think he's more future lynch material than a Day 1 lynch so far.

[JordanA24]

I suggest everyone who's voting Ryan unvote him and put it somewhere decent, he clearly isn't the best lynch for today.

[JordanA24]

Where are you putting your vote at Jordan?

Lowell (Post 114).

[JordanA24]

Well, Ryan's bandwagon was mostly because people had a slight suspicion about his safe voting tactics, and some cited not voting Lowell even though he was sure as a reason EVEN THOUGH HE DID VOTE LOWELL.

Also, apart from deezr's random vote, Lowell, who is scum, was the first to vote for him for seemingly no reason at all. It seems obvious to me that either Lowell or Teffc are by far better lynches for today.

[JordanA24]

@Jordan- Okay, okay, we get it. You're upset that we're trying to lynch your scumbuddy. Sheesh.

Seriously, you're trying to present a "most likely" scenario that doesn't include ryan, just cuz you *wubs* him too much? Does that, like, EVER work?

Ryan today, Jordan tomorrow, celebratory wine and cheese for all after.

How about Lowell today, hopefully your scumbuddy tomorrow, sounds about right to me.

Trying not to mimic Ryan, your post is pathetic and trying to distract everyone else from your scumminess with a last ditch attempt to wildly pinpoint the blame elsewhere. I'm also feeling very happy with my vote, it certainly isn't going anywhere else today.

[JordanA24]

Lowell, WTF?! You are the worst scum I've come across in a long time, first, you go with the rest of the town, which is typical scum behaviour, even though you admit you have no idea what the case against her is. And then to compound your error, you OMGUS a random vote when the random/OMGUS voting stage has passed more than a week ago.

Fellow townies, we've caught scum.

[JordanA24]

A decent defence would be nice.

[JordanA24]

Ripley asked for replacement didn't he? Shame, he's a good player.

[JordanA24]

I'm going back to

unvote, vote ryan

. Your last few posts have been a bit off, in my opinion. Something about the way you wrote "us townies" and argued that quiet players are actually HELPFUL doesn't sit right.

Your entitled to your opinion. My argument that quiet players are helpful for us townies is basically this, people who are quiet on this game usually have something to hide and are hoping that they fly under the radar by not posting things that could get them into trouble. Those people are usually the ones that with a few votes or by "calling them out" will make a mistake and make it easier for us to vote them off. I dont know why putting "us townies" is any different than how others have?

How is this an argument for quiet players being helpful for the town? How's 'flying under the radar by not posting things that could get them into trouble' possibly going to be of any use to us? Discussion = Scum being outed.

Just count yourself lucky I'm so convinced Lowell is scum, or you'll be at lynch -2 now, you've just made my scumdar jump up and fly out of the window.

[JordanA24]

Thanks for misreading my post. I said that when people try and fly under the radar it makes it easier for us to vote them off because they aren't contributing anyway. Obviously your scumdar needs a few screws tightened because it's WAY off if you think I'm scum

Oh right, sorry.

At least my scumdar returned.

[JordanA24]

Well, Ryan's bandwagon was mostly because people had a slight suspicion about his safe voting tactics, and some cited not voting Lowell even though he was sure as a reason EVEN THOUGH HE DID VOTE LOWELL.

Also, apart from deezr's random vote, Lowell, who is scum, was the first to vote for him for seemingly no reason at all. It seems obvious to me that either Lowell or Teffc are by far better lynches for today.

You understand this is horribly supportive of Ryan?

I'm supportive of Ryan because I don't think he's scum and I agree with his ideas. I assure you we have no connection with each other at all, we just agree that Lowell is obvious scum, I have no idea why you don't see this, Lowell really should be dead by now as far as I'm concerned.

[JordanA24]

Jordan: Please respond to this, explain this to me...

So far, I see our main suspects as Teffc and Lowell.

Soo... the main suspects are the two with the second and third most votes? I will concede that I don't like Teffc's posts at all but why is Ryan being given a pass?

Lowell is scum, no two ways about it, his posts have been scummy all the way. Teffc isn't far behind for obvious reasons.

But I've, on the whole, agreed with Ryan's opinions, especially about Lowell=Scum. His posts have been full of content and say to me he's actively looking for scum. Also, the reason for his initial bandwagon was poor and started by Lowell.

Therefore, Ryan (for now) is given a pass.

Hopefully, I'll do a full assesment of what I think tommorow when I'm not feeling so tired.

[JordanA24]

Right, here's what I think:

Scum: Lowell
FraggleScum

IGMEOY: Primoris

Still think that post of yours a few pages ago was suspicious, and now you're borderline Lurking, post more or this may be upgraded.

Town for now:
Aimee
HackerHuck
Albert
Ryan

Aimee's summary and subsequent posts have been very pro-town, and HackerHuck I think has been very active in trying to catch scum, even though I think he has the wrong guy at the moment. And I don't think scum would have the sort of posting restriction Albert has.

Lurking and needs a good prod : deezr and OTU

[JordanA24]

Right, here's what I think:

Scum: Lowell
FraggleScum

WHY?

What do you mean why?! I've already given loads of reasoning for Lowell (why isn't he dead yet?), and FraggleScum was Teffc, who looked like a newbie who couldn't handle a scum role.

[JordanA24]

Yay! I'm Mafia Scum!

[JordanA24]

Hey Jordan, any reason for this:

And I don't think scum would have the sort of posting restriction Albert has.

I can't think of why any of us would be post restricted.. Especially if it's just one person so I am suspicious of it...

I find Alberts post restriction very odd as well, but, would you really post like he's doing without a restricion?

I just don't think that scum would have a poetry type posting restriction. If he is scum, it's either very WIFOM, or he's a Mafia Restriction Faker, and I doubt we have one of those.

[JordanA24]

unvote Fraggle/Teffc

... hi!

Jordan and Ryan, what is involved in your case against Lowell, ignoring a few jokey posts? Have you thought that this is maybe Lowell's playstyle at all?

And what about Fraggle? You understand he can't justify any of Teffc's actions at all, and should be judged - almost - independently from Teffc, although granted, Teffc's actions still have some bearing.

So to conclude - what's your case?

Just look back through mine and Lowells posts and you'll find all the evidence you need to see him as scum.

As for Fraggle, what do you mean he should be judged independently from Teffc? They're the same player, Teffc couldn't handle the scum role, why should we ignore this when judging Fraggle?

[JordanA24]

unvote Fraggle/Teffc

... hi!

Jordan and Ryan, what is involved in your case against Lowell, ignoring a few jokey posts? Have you thought that this is maybe Lowell's playstyle at all?

And what about Fraggle? You understand he can't justify any of Teffc's actions at all, and should be judged - almost - independently from Teffc, although granted, Teffc's actions still have some bearing.

So to conclude - what's your case?

Just look back through mine and Lowells posts and you'll find all the evidence you need to see him as scum.

As for Fraggle, what do you mean he should be judged independently from Teffc? They're the same player, Teffc couldn't handle the scum role, why should we ignore this when judging Fraggle?

Are you simply incapable of summarizing and presenting your cases against Lowell and Teffc?

No, I'd just be repeating myself if I did summarize.

[JordanA24]

unvote Fraggle/Teffc

... hi!

Jordan and Ryan, what is involved in your case against Lowell, ignoring a few jokey posts? Have you thought that this is maybe Lowell's playstyle at all?

And what about Fraggle? You understand he can't justify any of Teffc's actions at all, and should be judged - almost - independently from Teffc, although granted, Teffc's actions still have some bearing.

So to conclude - what's your case?

Just look back through mine and Lowells posts and you'll find all the evidence you need to see him as scum.

As for Fraggle, what do you mean he should be judged independently from Teffc? They're the same player, Teffc couldn't handle the scum role, why should we ignore this when judging Fraggle?

Are you simply incapable of summarizing and presenting your cases against Lowell and Teffc?

No, I'd just be repeating myself if I did summarize.

How is it repeating yourself when you never made a case to begin with?

Since you seem to have forgotten why you think Teffc is scum, try using the view all posts by user function at the bottom of the page. If that doesn't jar your memory, you might want to at least make something up.

Targeting lurkers/inactives on day one is a copout and a hallmark of opportunistic scum. Replacing an inactive is generally good, since inactivity

is not

a scum tell.

Oh for God's sake there's so many things wrong with that post.

My case against Teffc was because of her very contentless posts and her unfounded suspicions of you, and I think you, for now, is the most pro-town player here.

And for the record, I was asking the mod to prod the lurkers, hardly targetting them is it? And I didn't say replacing a player is a bad thing, it's just that Teffc acted scummy before Fraggle replaced her, and we shouldn't just completely ignore that.

[JordanA24]

Since I didn't know why you found Teffc suspicious, the second part of my post was mostly directed at TrustGossip. See his post directly above mine.

(I really do end up using that too many times.)

[JordanA24]

I've got two scum now. Ryan and Albert. Discuss.

I can't talk now (internet cafe), but will write more when I get back to work on Tuesday.

Why Ryan, and WHY ALBERT? (And if you're, as I'm suspecting, OMGUSing again, you're dead meat.)

[JordanA24]

Jordan

: looks increasingly like a piggybacker. In the beginning of the game I didn't think much of his support for ryan because I was also supporting ryan's innocence. But he seems to be unable to vocalize an opinion that dissents from ryan's unless someone like HackerHuck points out a logical fallacy and Jordan quickly backtracks but doesn't really explain himself.

And how am I piggybacking? I'm the one (with help from Ryan), that came up with Lowell as scum in the first place, and I've not changed my vote since. And I'm vocalizing opinions, I've made numerous good points about Lowell, me and Ryan just happen to have the same opinion, but I've already said, there's absolutely no connection between us. And the only reason I backtracked the last time was because HH wasn't adressing me when he made that rather strong post.

[JordanA24]

Okay Jordan, here are my questions for you...Let's pretend that Lowell is innocent, or even if we lynch him and he comes up innocent, then who do you suspect... I mean thats my problem with this kind of one sided crusade... Here are some questions for you... If Lowell is scum, who would you suspect next to go after tomorrow, and if he is innocent, who should we go after... Who else is suspicious and do those suspicions tie into the results for lowell...?

TrustGossip: Ty so much for putting that list together, that helps me a lot to understand where you're coming from...

Fragglescum: I'm not going to argue that Teffc made no sense.. That much is obvious... What I want to know is, having read this game as I am going to assume you have done at this time... What do you think about the current cases? How do you like the Lowell wagon? How about Ryan? Aside from the idea that Albert is breadcrumbing SK or Vig, do you think he makes good points with his posts despite the restriction? What do you think of Aimee or Primoris?

Regardless of whether or not Lowell turns up scum, Fraggle is next on my list. Although if Lowell is town, I'll be slightly more suspcious of Ryan.

Mod:

I think OTU and deezr need replacing, and Primoris prodding.

[JordanA24]

Right then Aimee, here we go

unvote, vote Trustgossp

to bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.

How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.

Jokey maybe, but still attempting a random bandwagon.

unvote, vote Trustgossp

to bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.

How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.

WHY would you bandwagon a potential townie? I'm not sure I like your tactics

My apologies. That bandwagon was totally unnecessary.

unvote, vote ryan

. FEEEAAR me...

Changing vote for no reason, and onto a player I consider pro-town

I personally like to see who jumps on and off of wagons on day one.

Plays it safe but feels that Lowell is guilty?

Vote: Ryan

Good post. This guy is town.

Don't know what this is all about.

That summary of Aimee's makes me weirdly suspcious, but I'm not sure why. M'eh.

That is very suspicious, questioning a very good summary for liitle reason.

@Jordan- Okay, okay, we get it. You're upset that we're trying to lynch your scumbuddy. Sheesh.

Seriously, you're trying to present a "most likely" scenario that doesn't include ryan, just cuz you *wubs* him too much? Does that, like, EVER work?

Ryan today, Jordan tomorrow, celebratory wine and cheese for all after.

Trying to shift suspicion onto me and Ryan for daring to question him.

^^^ Lowell that was as useless of a post as you've posted in awhile now. I definetly feel much better about my vote now, you are definetly scum and you show it by not helping us find the scum. Seriously what does that post tell us? That you're mad because Jordan stood up to you? You are mad that I voted you? Or you feel as though you are going to be killed and it's a last dash effort to save your own backside by throwing out my name and Jordan's and saying we are scum together?

1. I'm not going to be lynched. If you want me dead you'll have to do it yourself tonight.
2. A "last ditch" effort, at 3 votes??? Good times.
3. My vote on you was for the way you attacked early bandwaggoners before the bandwaggon even took off. I believe you said something stupid like someone was a "potential townie".

All that said, I'm no longer sure you're scum, if for no other reason than because this connection between you and Jordan is becoming too intense-- I would have expected a little distancing by now if you were both scum. Let me find another wagon to join.

unvote, vote teffc

. I have no idea what the case is against him, but other people seem to like it, so I'm there!

Still going after Ryan with next to no evidence, and then just hopping onto the most popular bandwagon citing his reason as 'people like it'. Classic scum.

Wait, do I still have someone's random vote on me? Screw this:

unvote, vote OTU

. I can OMGUS with the best of them.

OMGUS, on Page 6!? Either desperate scum or incredibly stupid town.

Nope.

In response to:

Lowell, WTF?! You are the worst scum I've come across in a long time, first, you go with the rest of the town, which is typical scum behaviour, even though you admit you have no idea what the case against her is. And then to compound your error, you OMGUS a random vote when the random/OMGUS voting stage has passed more than a week ago.

Fellow townies, we've caught scum.

Refusing to give a defense, again, very scummy.

New people are always good. All the better to read scumtells from...

Still trying to shift suspicion.

Oooh... and that vote count reminds me to

Vote: Ryan

Good post. This guy is town.

Now comes the part where opportunists jump on me!

Now trying gather pity in desperation as he sees the case mounting against him.

I've got two scum now. Ryan and Albert. Discuss.

I can't talk now (internet cafe), but will write more when I get back to work on Tuesday.

And finally, WTF is this?!

I think that concludes the case agianst him. Now lets lynch him.

[JordanA24]

So, Albert does one thing, which, incidently, is vote for you, and you're convinced he's scum. By the looks of it, you're either STILL OMGUSing, or your trying to bully people into not voting for you, either way, both scummy.

[JordanA24]

In the initial post Jordan seems to be of the mindset that a good random bandwagon can be useful, something echoed by myself, Hackerhuck, and Aimee specifically I believe... And now in his most recent post he uses this post and the analysis that Lowell is scummy because of "attempting a random bandwagon"... Which is it Jordan?

The second one, opinions change. Often, when newbies are put under pressure, they make mistakes that make them look really scummy.

Good post. This guy is town.

Now comes the part where opportunists jump on me!

.

To deliberately quote this post in a case against him is ludacris. In this post he shows exactly what he is looking for and someone hops right on?

Lowell has allowed himself to garner attention because he doesn't mind putting himself in danger to find scum... It strikes me as a pro-town attitude because scum cannot afford to put themselves on the line.

I know that I put myself on the line defending Lowell but I simply do not see the case for him... I am asking for him to respond to my comments but the more I think about it the more I understand his play. Please I ask everyone in this game to respond to my analysis... If I am wrong about the utility of bandwagons, prove it to me... If I mischaracterize someone's intentions please let me know... What am I missing from Lowell's posts that is so scummy?

Lowell's not searching for reactions, I've already said, he's trying to bully people into not voting for him.

As for the rest of the post, I've already posted all the evidence that there is for Lowell being scum, now it's up to the rest of the town to believe me. I'm willing to put my head on the line if Lowell isn't scum.

[JordanA24]

I hate it when those bleeding quote tags don't work properly.

[JordanA24]

Tell me if you want me to post 242 again to make it clearer.

[JordanA24]

*bump*

Why isn't Lowell dead yet?

*bump*

[JordanA24]

Fine, we wait for him to post, then lynch him. I've given all my evidence against Lowell, more than enough for him to be scum I think. You can think what you like, but I'll be suspicious of you when he comes up scum.

[JordanA24]

Lowell, your analysis of Aimee's "blow-by-blow" is ridiculous and you know it, how on Earth is it opinion dry, and while she FOS'ed 4 players, it was on Page 4 for crying out loud. And to be honest, a lot of us, me included I'll admit, we're acting suspicious, I hope I've made up for it.

Anyway, you're calling my so called "scum tactics" crazy, you've been pointing out perfectly sound posts as suspect, FOS'ed some very pro-town players, have been OMGUSing left, right and centre and now you're giving preposterous reasons for all this, you've been scummy all game and every post makes you look worse and worse, here is our scum, lynch him.

[JordanA24]

Why isn't Lowell dead yet?

Probably has something to do with him promising to post on Tuesday and most of the town being unimpressed with the case you have made against him...

*clap clap clap*

But seriously, Jordan, if I doubted before, I don't now. Sweeny did an excellent rundown of your insane scum tactics.

@sweeny- It's hard to put my finger on why Aimee's post(s) looks scummy. Here's the best way I can describe it. The "blow-by-blow" post seems a little opinion-dry. As in, heavy on narration, but not really saying anything. The second post, "player-by-player", casts TOO WIDE a net for my taste. She doesn't want to exonerate anyone or implicate anyone. Not really.

It could be that she just doesn't have that many strong opinions. Which is why I didn't vote for her. But I would be remiss if I let that post slide with everyone saying how great it was without me mentioning my little bit of doubt.

It's posts like this that make me doubt my conscience.

On one hand, his reasonings on aimee are very astute and spot-on, indicating a healthy amount of pro-town suspicion on some scummy behavior. On the other hand, this information is only really revealed as Lowell senses that he's on the chopping block, and could be an attempt to throw suspicion on another person. Further more, it's somewhat convenient that he came up to the same opinion/yet non-opinion about aimee as I did.

However, Lowell's lucidity is making him increasingly less suspcious, while Jordan's lynch happy tactics make me decidedly

unhappy

.

Unvote: Vote JordanA24
IGMEOY: Lowell

I'm only lynch happy because I'm so sure Lowell's scum.

Mod

: Can we have a vote count please?

[JordanA24]

Primoris I understand, but HH? He's seemed quite pro-town to me. He's been gone for 4 days, that doesn't make him a lurker.

[JordanA24]

I have some strange feeling towards HH and Primoris. Although I wouldn't feel right calling it suspicion. It's more of a general anxiety about the lack of contribution. I haven't looked at their posting histories, are they genuinely away or lurking?

They're posting elsewhere, so maybe they need

prodding

.

[JordanA24]

I have some strange feeling towards HH and Primoris. Although I wouldn't feel right calling it suspicion. It's more of a general anxiety about the lack of contribution. I haven't looked at their posting histories, are they genuinely away or lurking?

They're posting elsewhere, so maybe they need

prodding

.

That makes me so uneasy. Don't people know how to use "watched topics"? If they know that, then they're intentionally lurking, which makes me even MORE uneasy.

I'm almost tempted to vote Primoris, I've never liked his play, he seeems to be intentionally lurking, and for some reason, nobody but Ryan and our suicidal poet seems to agree that our Scummy McLowellScum is scum.

[JordanA24]

Lowell, if you are still around today please respond to these...

Wait, do I still have someone's random vote on me? Screw this:

unvote, vote OTU. I can OMGUS with the best of them.

What is this all about?

Also Lowell:

Do you believe that something obvious (like a Jordan-Ryan pair) would be likely? IT seems that there are too many connections between them that its unlikely to me...

1) I wanted to get OTU's attention with that vote. Really, this bandwagon is so stupid it makes me crazy. One RANDOM vote (his only post so far this game), followed by ryan and jordan scumteam teaming up to get me to 3 votes. Ridiculous. I want OTU to OWN his vote on me or get lost. People won't realize just how scummy this bandwagon is until the random votes leave.

2) I do find it strange that ryan and jordan would buddy up together so much if they were scum. But really, that's the ultimate in WIFOM (ooh, scum would NEVER be so obvious, so we're not scum). More importantly, I really think they thought I would be a quick, easy lynch and that everyone would rally around killing me, thus making their like-mindedness not so obvious in the midst of a mob. As it is, they can't get people to vote for me and they're becoming increasinly exposed.

If me and Ryan were scum, we simply wouldn't make so obvious we were scumbuddies, a tactic like that wouldn't be WIFOM, it'd be plain stupid. And OTU is getting replaced, who hopefully will have the sense to keep the vote on you, rather than OWN it, as you so put it.

[JordanA24]

Awww, what a useless reply. Now die scum.

[JordanA24]

I have a question I want to make sure I ask you guys...

Ryan and Jordan: If we lynch Lowell today, and he turns out to be innocent, how do you see days 2 and maybe 3 going? What would you do?

Lowell: Same question: If we lynch Ryan or Jordan...and they are innocent...what do you think our approach should be Day 2?

I ask because none of you have convinced me yet, but we seem to be bouncing back and forth between the three of you a lot in these pages. So I just want to hear from you and make sure you have some sort of thought about the future.

Primoris is almost as suspicious as Lowell to me (See Post 279), you appear reasonably pro-town, despite replacing Teffc, and if Lowell somehow turns out to be innocent, I'd be rather more suspicious of Ryan.

[JordanA24]

What about you Aimee? You've been fairly quiet when it comes to identifying a scum, what say you?

O RLY?

Well, you guys did say you wanted a long post from me so... brace yourself! Not only have I got one long post, I have another! I sound like some kind of weird salesman, so on that note, let's begin.

Game Timeline (and my thoughts)

Game start. Random voting occurs. Teffc asks if anyone hasn’t posted. Everyone random voted, with the exception of HackerHuck, who randomly chose ranom.org, but Albert B. Rampage was the last to random vote, yet the second to post. He also spoke in poetry. Lowell was the first person to accuse someone else of being scum and change his vote – although this was obviously random.

A vote count early on page 2 reveals no early leader of votes, although TrustGossip got two random votes (the highest). And JordanA24 is the first to point out Albert’s rhyming.

Lowell then jumps on the random TrustGossip bandwagon. Ryan seems to have the biggest issue with this, but JordanA24 points out that random bandwagons can be in fact beneficial. Lowell then votes Ryan, perhaps for his reaction to Lowell’s vote.

Ryan justifies his position, saying it is possible that “we mess up”, which could lead to a townie’s lynch, which makes him feel “uneasy”. Personally I disagree. Random bandwagon’s often don’t lead to that person’s lynch, but they provide us with valuable information – the reactions of the accused, who jumped on the bandwagon and often where the next bandwagon forms. In short – the random bandwagon is very useful. Yet interestingly, JordanA24 agrees with Ryan and unvotes (he had been voting TrustGossip).

Ryan votes Lowell, yet explains that it was because bandwagonning is wrong. I disagree. Lowell was bringing out a reaction and not doing anything scummy. This vote puzzles me.

Primoris disagrees that random bandwagons are bad, and points out the TrustGossip wasn’t in any danger – he only had three votes. He then accuses JordanA24 of “playing too safe” for unvoting TrustGossip. Jordan counters that the random bandwagon has a higher chance of catching a pro-town player than a mafia player, but that begs the question, without random voting, where would we be? Jordan also says that unpredictable newbies could act irrationally and put on votes. I disagree with this, because whilst there are newbies like this, they are unlikely to muster enough votes for a lynch, which would have to have some provocation.

Ryan seems to misinterpret the “playing it safe” accusation as if it was against him (understandable, as I did first time too). But he says that he does play it safe, yet feels that Lowell’s “tactics” are scummy. HackerHuck rightly points out that bandwagons are effective to see who jumps on and off, and also attacks Ryan for playing it safe, yet thinking Lowell is guilty. Ryan counters this seemingly by accusing HackerHuck of playing it safe, which I don’t particularly understand. When did HackerHuck play it safe?

Teffc again seems to want some other people to speak up. I would agree with this, since at this point Albert, myself, TrustGossip, OverTheUnder and dezzr hadn’t posted. Teffc for this reason sticks to his random vote of dezzr. Don’t you think it is a bit early for a lurker hunt, Teffc?

I point out that playing it safe isn’t a good strategy for town, and Lowell agrees with HackerHuck, saying “this guy is town”. Whilst I wouldn’t go that far, I do agree that HackerHuck is seeming pro-town at the moment.

Albert jumps in with another rhyme, and points suspicion at Lowell and Teffc, yet doesn’t explain why. The two posts he gives as reasons aren’t justifiable of any suspicion. Therefore why do you consider Teffc and Lowell to be the most suspicious?

Primoris says that Albert doesn’t post like this in other games. He also says that whilst playing it safe is bad for the town, he doesn’t think that Ryan is, although no explanation is given.

Jordan also says he finds Albert’s poetry odd, but says that a post-restriction like that in a game like this would be weird. Um, why? It is a mini theme game, so anything is possible, to an extent. Jordan also accuses Teffc, saying she just jumps in to say she is still around, yet doesn’t contribute anything. I would have to agree with this.

HackerHuck had said earlier that he is always town. I took that as a joke, yet Teffc seemed to take it seriously, wondering whether HackerHuck had any investigation immunity. Er, slightly early for role fishing like that. She then says that HackerHuck suspected Lowell (actually didn’t), yet Lowell considers him town. She then places FoSes on both, for reasons that are pretty illogical to me anyway. Another explanation here, Teffc?

HackerHuck says rightly that Teffc is looking into that too much, and said he never suspected Lowell at all. Would it also be correct, that your “I am always town” statement was random? That’s what I interpreted it as, anyway. Ryan then asks Teffc is she considers HackerHuck to be scum.

A vote count reveals that Ryan is heading the vote count, yet still at lynch -3. Nothing else stands out except that Albert, TrustGossip, OverTheUnder and dezzr haven’t changed their random votes.

Ryan’s response to this is basically that he thinks Lowell has “shown enough scummy tendencies” (?) and that we also have a fair share of lurkers. Ryan, what is your case against Lowell?

TrustGossip comes on and votes Albert, saying that he isn’t a fan of his cryptic messages. He also promises to write more later, which hasn’t so far happened. What are your feelings on everyone else, TrustGossip?

Teffc says that HackerHuck is acting “too clean”, which could be a tactic to “throw us off”. Er, this is slightly exaggerated. HackerHuck made (what I perceive) to be a joke and a random statement, but you seem to have formed a case against him because of this, which revolves around being too clean and having investigation immunity. Do you have a proper case against HackerHuck?

HackerHuck says there is a problem with the vote count, but Ryan jumps in basically saying that HH is lynch happy. Dude, he was checking a vote count. And Teffc also says she was putting HH under pressure to see how he would react. Actually, HH didn’t really panic, and it was a pretty weak case, Teffc. In fact, it comes across far worse on your side. She also misinterprets Ryan’s lynch happy claim as being at her, when it was clearly aimed at HH. Ryan says this was maybe a “scum slipup.” Ryan actually argues this well, there is no reason for Teffc to be lynch happy – she isn’t even voting! HH just dismisses Ryan’s claims, yet Teffc says Ryan was being “ironic”. How so?

Ryan then says he is sure that there are two scum on the bandwagon. Not sure how you got to that. After Jordan asks if it is HH and Lowell, Ryan responds that it is either myself or dezzr for lurking. This whole point is just totally bizarre. I can’t understand this, personally. Firstly, why two scum? Secondly, why Lowell as scum? Thirdly, why not HH?

Jordan then says dezzr voted Ryan randomly, and I voted with a reason. He then chimes in that Lowell and Teffc are the most suspicious. With Teffc I see your reasoning. With Lowell, I see no reasoning. Why Lowell?

Jordan also doesn’t vote, something which Ryan and HH both rightly point out. He says that neither are worthy of a vote yet, but Jordan also says he is waiting for concrete evidence. Even if you aren’t willing to vote for them, why not put on a FoS? And what concrete evidence are you going to get on day 1, especially after no night faze?

HH implies that Jordan is a cop by saying he isn’t going to get any guilty cop results on day 1. Ryan attacks this as being “impatient or opportunistic”. To be honest, I am unusure what to make of this at all.

Primoris makes a point that Jordan could be using the “concrete evidence” reason as a way to just against an innocent player. He also says that Jordan and ryan have been playing non-agressively, whilst HH and Lowell have been playing towards a lynch, which is better. I am inclined to agree. He also points out Ryan hasn’t done anything to convince him of his innocence. He therefore votes against Ryan, putting him at lynch -2.

Teffc points out what Primoris just said, that Jordan could use the “concrete evidence” argument ot just vote an innocent. Teffc also says he is “playing it safe.” I find it interesting that Primoris made both these accusations earlier, and now Teffc makes them. Whilst they are both true, I don’t really see this as adding new information, just a way for Teffc of looking like pro-town.

Teffc also says HH is acting suspicious because he isn’t explaining his actions, but I don’t really see what HH has to explain, frankly. HH may be playing aggressively, but he isn’t doing anything that is outright suspicious right now. Teffc, what is your case against HH?

Ryan disagrees with Primoris’ “voting tactics”. He also says that “being inclined to lynch someone isn’t a good thing.” True, but it is better than being indecisive and weak. Although I am not directly accusing you of this. Ryan also takes another stab at lurkers, and then says that HH is trying to start bandwagon’s against townies.

Jordan makes a post saying he isn’t looking for overwhelming concrete evidence to vote for someone. Personally, I see this as a back-track because he knows it has been received badly. He also emphasises the accusation he has been playing too safely because he says he doesn’t want to lynch someone for crap-logic or illogical evidence. True, but you understand that putting a vote on someone isn’t inherently bad, and can actually be beneficial overall? Vote patterns are a really important way of judging the game.

Teffc then says that Ryan isn’t really guilty, and that the bandwagon was started by Lowell’s “pressure tactics”, or Ryan’s disagreements to that.

Primoris puts a pressure vote against Ryan (it didn’t count firstly) saying he is prepared to put Ryan in danger to see his reaction. Ryan takes this in a defeatist way, saying that lynching him is a bad play. Um, Ryan, Primoris was saying that it wouldn’t be a good idea to lynch you.

But Jordan seems to agree with Ryan, saying that Primoris’ “pressure” theory is nothing more than BS, and that he hasn’t liked Primoris’ last posts.

So, that is what has happened through the game. Now I will do a player analysis.

I am suspicious of

Albert B. Rampage’s

poetry. I am pretty sure this is a post restriction at work. I want him to explain if he can why he has to post like this.

Dezzr

has obviously lurked and needs a prod.

I feel overall that

HackerHuck

is playing slightly aggressively, but I believe is acting in the interests of the town, and is an active and beneficial player. I don’t see the cases against him.

Jordan

I initially saw as pro-town, but he has come back with some bizarre suspicions, and has notably played safely without taking risks with voting, which I see as quite crucial. This is maybe a way to get out of the blame when voting can be fully analysed later.

Lowell

I initially saw as just searching for reactions. However, the fact that he is quite obviously lurking and not contributing just emphasises the way that maybe he was just starting a case against Ryan for the sake of it. I am less impressed than I was.

OverTheUnder

needs a prod, as a lurker.

I see

Primoris

as a very helpful member of the town at the moment, and feel that his analysis has often be very accurate.

Although

Ryan

has made some good points, I feel that his cases and points against Lowell, especially HH have been unjustified and illogical. I want to know his cases against them.

Teffc

is really acting scummy. She has attacked HH for seemingly little reason, and has been making points I feel for the sake of making points – to appear pro-town. Some of her analysis is just a mirror of other people’s, and I have yet to see any major opinions from her (with the exception of her bizarre case against HH).

TrustGossip

I haven’t really got an opinion on, but I want to hear his summary. In fact, I see him as a potential lurker.

So, as a result...

unvote

, as I will probably re-vote determining the reactions to my summary.

FoS: JordanA24, Lowell, Ryan and Teffc

Minor FoS: Albert B. Rampage and TrustGossip

A lot seems to have happened since my last post. Welcome, Sweenytodd!

Hackerhuck: Became defensive right away with my random.org vote. Very strange to tell somebody they suck when the vote was RANDOM. I’ve always said that early posts tell a lot about how people play and immediately I saw this as strange how he misconstrued my vote. Than jumps on me because I didn’t like how Lowell bandwagon voted and says I’m not playing it “safe” like I earlier said? How is one vote on somebody not playing it safe? Post 64 asking me what I thought about the “bandwagon on me” also seemed rather odd.

Um, that's actually a pretty weak case, you understand?

To you townies that still haven't voted it's time to step up and take out the trash. There are scum that have targeted me, do not let them take me out, I am a pro town player and am more helpful alive than dead, trust me.

Pressurising non-voters is a horrible strategy, especially since 1) we aren't in a deadline and 2) they could be not voting for a reason. It is horribly aggressive and pushy, and has continued for several pages. Any reason why?

Well, Ryan's bandwagon was mostly because people had a slight suspicion about his safe voting tactics, and some cited not voting Lowell even though he was sure as a reason EVEN THOUGH HE DID VOTE LOWELL.

Also, apart from deezr's random vote, Lowell, who is scum, was the first to vote for him for seemingly no reason at all. It seems obvious to me that either Lowell or Teffc are by far better lynches for today.

You understand this is horribly supportive of Ryan?

I also agree with what Sweenytodd says a lot of the time, especially with Lowell's bizarre suspicion arising from it. I agreed with what Sweenytodd says, which therefore surprised me when both Ryan ( I can understand) and TrustGossip decided to defend Ryan.

Also, how are bandwagons inherently bad? I am of the belief we need a random bandwagon to start day 1. By using bandwagons, we can assess vote-hopping, reactions ot the bandwagons and who is on and off bandwagons at all times. They can be incredibly valuable, paradoxically, for town.

FoS: Ryan

, for some rather faulty logic here. Note, I won't be putting a vote on, but I don't understand why Sweenytodd putting Ryan at -2 was so shockingly awful.

Seeing as Jordan effectively challenged us to go throught his posts to find his case on Lowell, I did so.

Despite the fact he "vocalises his opinions" in his own words, his actually case against Lowell isn't apparent. Yes, there is a lot of defence of Ryan. Yes, there is a lot of "Lowell is obvious scum, he should be lynched NOW." However, only ONE post has an actual case against Lowell, and even then it merely focuses on one of Lowell's posts.

To therefore say that you would be "summarising" if you gave your case again, is inherently wrong. We don't know your case against Lowell. There have been chances to do it, but you have just breezed past them.

FoS: Jordan

Saying "Lowell is obvious scum" doesn't cut it anymore. A proper case against Lowell is required.

And Ryan, this isn't for you to answer. So don't. Let Jordan answer first, so that I can finally see 100% what his case is.

Just to quote a few.

[JordanA24]

FOS: Ryan

[JordanA24]

And also: Jordan are you Rosso Carne in disguise?

I've read a few games with him in, he's probs a Scorpio like me.

And as for me fingering Ryan, what he said about Aimee was simply Craplogic, he could have just said that he wanted Aimee's reaction on current events, rather than say outright that she wasn't trying to catch scum, which is absolute BS.I appreciate he's been going after Lowell, but his crap post made me very suspicious all the same.

[JordanA24]

Bump, again

[JordanA24]

Save The Dragons replaces OvertheUnder.

[JordanA24]

It's odd none-the-less. I'm starting to think it may not be a posting restricion, it'd just be weird to give just 1 person a restriction, and an odd restricion at that. I'm beginning to wonder whether he actually is scum trying to fake a restricion of some sort, I've seen him try unorthodox things when he's scum.

[JordanA24]

It's odd none-the-less. I'm starting to think it may not be a posting restricion, it'd just be weird to give just 1 person a restriction, and an odd restricion at that. I'm beginning to wonder whether he actually is scum trying to fake a restricion of some sort, I've seen him try unorthodox things when he's scum.

He's been pretty normal in the other games I'm in with him. Could you point me to an example of this?

Hacker Mafia that's just finished, he claimed SK when Mafia, saying we couldn't kill him otherwise Mafia would win next day.

[JordanA24]

He hasn't posted anywhere at all since Tuesday.

[JordanA24]

I'm here and reading, just nothing to comment on since my last post. I'm waiting for STD's analysis.

[JordanA24]

Deadline is June 20th, and I think there still has to be a majority at deadline.

[JordanA24]

My opinion on Lowell hasn't really changed, he's still my top suspect, though, Fraggle's looking quite a bit better in my eyes. Apart from Lowell, nobody's looking that scummy. I don't think Albert's an SK, to give an SK a post restriction like Albert's is almost Bastard Mod like.

While we're on the subject of recent lurkers, I'd like HackerHuck, TrustGossip and Albert to start posting, since we have a deadline and all.

[JordanA24]

-He could just be bored...which would make me really frustrated with him later on, if we find that out.

Stuck in my cell
The pen ain't nuttin like the county jail

When will they let me bail?

Are you saying that you/we could somehow lift your restriction by doing a certain action?

[JordanA24]

Nice speech StD, pity you're wrong.

Just a couple of things, first, you seemed quite certain throughout that me and Ryan are scumbuddies, yet when we get to your list, you put Ryan under the Townie column, one or the other, which is it?

Second, you seem

very

sure that Lowell isn't scum. Why? You've almost completely glossed over him, especially his scummiest moments, such as Posts 99, 123, 127, 185, 214, 231, 251 and 371. A long list to miss the lot of isn't it. I really didn't like the tone of his latest post either, simply following the most experienced player.

Instead, he's focused mainly on Ryan and particularly me, oddly enough, Lowell's biggest attackers. Scumbuddies? Seems like it to me at the moment.

[JordanA24]

I think that's either poor sarcasm or a VERY poor joke.

[JordanA24]

Sweeny, you're now voting me rather than FOS'ing me, but it's still -2 anyway.

Post 401 was directed at StD. And it's not a weak excuse, StD has skipped over Lowell while declaring him to be town for no reason at all.

Why can no-one else see that Lowell is scum, he's made so many scummy posts it's untrue. Let me try again.

Wait, do I still have someone's random vote on me? Screw this:

unvote, vote OTU. I can OMGUS with the best of them.

I say again, WTF was this all about? Pressure, or just plain stupidness?

Oooh... and that vote count reminds me to

Vote: Ryan

Good post. This guy is town.

Now comes the part where opportunists jump on me!

Completely and utterly pointless spamming, no other words to describe it. Why bother?

I've got two scum now. Ryan and Albert. Discuss.

I can't talk now (internet cafe), but will write more when I get back to work on Tuesday.

He's suspects Ryan, fine, but what had Albert done to have Lowell say he's scum, he gives no reason at all, looks a bit like deflecting to me.

@sweeny- sorry, I skimmed. What exactly am I responding to, again? Other people being worried that I'm attacking them? Please write your question again.

@jordan- Scumteam: ryan, albert, jordan. How's that strike you?

Two things:
1) I looked at jordan's posts in isolation. Odd things, those. He seems to keep ryan in his posts but at arm's length. He says things like "for now ryan gets a pass" and other stuff that I dont' feel like trying to find again. His attack to me has increased in intensity as I've become more and more sure of ryan's scumminess.
2) His "case" against me is the ultimate in reaching. I OMGUSed too late?? I switched bandwagons?? I voted with less than compete justification?? Really??Who cares???? No, seriously, who cares? That's, like, Scumplay 101. Find someone sloppy and call him scum. He's trying to bully the town into what is-- admittedly-- a convenient lynch.

Look again at the connections between ryan and jordan, and (lately) Albert. Albert's last post, especially, where he joins my wagon to take the pressure off ryan (after waiting awhile to see if someone else would do it) is ACTUALLY scummy.

He mentions Albert again here, who, if memory serves me correctly, is voting for him at this stage, Lowell gives a pathetic reason for Albert being scum, is OMGUSing really neccessary on Page 9? No, I didn't think so.

Why isn't Lowell dead yet?

Probably has something to do with him promising to post on Tuesday and most of the town being unimpressed with the case you have made against him...

*clap clap clap*

But seriously, Jordan, if I doubted before, I don't now. Sweeny did an excellent rundown of your insane scum tactics.

@sweeny- It's hard to put my finger on why Aimee's post(s) looks scummy. Here's the best way I can describe it. The "blow-by-blow" post seems a little opinion-dry. As in, heavy on narration, but not really saying anything. The second post, "player-by-player", casts TOO WIDE a net for my taste. She doesn't want to exonerate anyone or implicate anyone. Not really.

It could be that she just doesn't have that many strong opinions. Which is why I didn't vote for her. But I would be remiss if I let that post slide with everyone saying how great it was without me mentioning my little bit of doubt.

His case against Aimee is complete and utter BS, it's pathetic and damn nearly painful to read. Opinion-dry? Too wide a net? What a load of crap.

vote aimee

.

I have this nagging feeling that we're on the wrong track, and scum are willing to just sit back and wait for deadline to pass. Aimee, for her "I'll just sit here and wait for STD to say something" doesn't win any points from me.

Again, rubbish. If someone promises a big post, it's only natural to wait for it, particularly if nothing is really going on at all, and what about all the people not posting at all, why just focus on Aimee?

One thing I have thought just now is that perhaps Ryan is a townie, who got accused first, and Jordan is scum. Jordan is trying to link to Ryan so that if Ryan gets lynched, he looks more like a townie. I think their whole defence is totally bizarre, as is the case against Lowell. However, I see Jordan as scummier than Ryan at the moment.

This is EXACTLY what I was thinking as I read it.

unvote, vote Jordan

Remember, we need to get to 7, so let's get moving.

He says we should just lynch me right now, for God's sake give me a chance to defend myself, we've got 5 days yet, but then again, you are scum, and it is your job to just look for the most convenient mislynches, especially if there's a deadline and you just want to hurry the town along.

And one more thing to the rest of you voting me, voting for me just becuase an experienced player comes in and says 'This guy is scum, lynch him, trust me' doesn't mean you should just take his word for it and madly rush in to vote for me. What if he's scum? What are you going to do, just vote for whoever he says and just let him cruise to victory.

I seriously urge you to reconsider before you just go for a quicklynch because of a deadline. Remember, there is scum out there who is trying to convince the town to mislynch all the time, a deadline gives them the perfect opportunity to persuade the town to speedlynch, so don't just rush in with two feet and just let the scum skate their way to victory.

[JordanA24]

There's no need to be curious if you're sure about something.

[JordanA24]

There's no need to be curious if you're sure about something.

Hmmm... I wonder... What is that role called that knows who all the scum are? OH yeah.... SCUM!

Hmm...I'm scum, hmm... What am I going to do... I know, I'll go and attack my scumbuddy for the whole game, yeah, great scum tactic that isn't it?

FOS: Sweeny

[JordanA24]

There's no need to be curious if you're sure about something.

Evasiveness masked as confidence. Nice.

As for you, there's been no real need to vary my targets YET, since you're obvious scum IMO. I've sure as hell been aggressive towrards you, nothing faked about that.

[JordanA24]

Yes... Because my post totally not a joke.... Riiiiight.... Out of curiosity though... Most players I have noticed tend to NOT be "sure" if someone else is scum... They look at everyone and pick the most likely candidate... Your confidence is disturbing to me...

My confidence comes from the fact Lowell is scum, I've seen enough of his posts to determine that fact. I may have stronger viewpoints than you, that's just my personality and playstyle.

[JordanA24]

Right, you've forced me to claim.

I'm Scorponok, a pro-town roleblocker, every night, my cyber-bees can prevent somebody from using their night action.

[JordanA24]

Right, you've forced me to claim.

I'm Scorponok, a pro-town roleblocker, every night, my cyber-bees can prevent somebody from using their night action.

I can't say for sure how the mod set things up...but given that this game does have a theme, and some flavor for the roles, Jordan's claim doesn't make sense to me.

It may be nothing..or it may be he made a mistake. Scorponok, in the cartoons, is a bad guy...he is actually second-in-command for the Decepticons (bad guys) in Beast Wars.

My vote stays for now.

I don't watch the show, and I'm relying on Wikipedia alone, the Predacons do seem like an evil group, but the flavour post did say that the Predacons and Maximals are allied against the alien scum.

[JordanA24]

I said protown because I've seen a lot of mafia roleblockers in games, if I just said roleblocker, people would say that I probably was a roleblocker, but a scum roleblocker, such is the suspicion that I've generated.

[JordanA24]

Roleblockers are much more common as scum than as town. I've been a town roleblocker before and it's a tough job that can often hurt the town more than help. Assuming common mini roles (SK, Vig, Doc, Cop), if you're successful in blocking someone you're more likely to block a townie than scum. It's also possible that Jordan's claim may have been intended to get a power role outed in the future.

If I was aiming to that, I'd have said I was a cop or doc. As you said, roleblocker could well hurt the town more than helping it, which is why, if I survive, I'm only going to block when I'm pretty certain someone is scum.

Also, SK protown?

[JordanA24]

EBWOP: IF is was aiming to DO that...

[JordanA24]

Well, I think Lowell is scum, but I'll only block someone if the town really think I should, it's best we have more than one person deciding if we should block someone, considering how potentially damaging it could be if I get it wrong.

[JordanA24]

@ Fraggle: It's possible you've got 2 out of 3 there, but I don't see how I could be linked to Primoris in any way, I've been openly suspicious of him for a long time, and of course, it's impossible to get any reading on Deezr, but we have a replacement (Hi Dusk), so we can see what they have to contribute.

[JordanA24]

My role PM doesn't say anything about reliability, so, I'll assume I'm 100% effective.

[JordanA24]

Ryan, what are your thoughts on Fraggle? Personnaly, I'm completely confused about his latest post, he could have somehow gotten a new restriction, or he's scum trying a VERY desperate scheme to try and stop the bandwagon on him, or he could be just joking around, which is NOT helping if he is.

Albert, do you still have to post in lyrics?

And I too request a

deadline extention

.

[JordanA24]

I wholly believe HH is town right now, and TG is slightly suspicious for not posting that often, but he's given a fair excuse for it, and his posts generally contain good amounts of content, so, I'm fine with both atm.

[JordanA24]

Fraggle is looking VERY odd right now and I'm tempted to put my vote on him, I'll be wary of Primoris' replacement, and I've got an odd gut feeling on Sweeny. And of course there's Lowell BUT (shock coming up) his last few posts have made him climb my town ladder a bit.

[JordanA24]

#2 He has a new post restriction.

Yeah, I'm finding that really difficult to believe as well.

[JordanA24]

Huge FOS: Fraggle

The more I think about it, the more I'm certain he's scum faking the restriction. By my count, he's at -1, so I'll let him defend himself (good luck doing that with your "restriction" Fraggle ).

And

small FOS:

Dusk for that quick 180 turn on Fraggle.

[JordanA24]

I believe ABR's post restriction is genuine.

I don't. I think he is bored and just decided to try it. Post 380 felt like a confirmation of that to me.

Forgetting something Fraggle?

[JordanA24]

I believe ABR's post restriction is genuine.

I don't. I think he is bored and just decided to try it. Post 380 felt like a confirmation of that to me.

Forgetting something Fraggle?

The lyrics? No, I didn't forget.

So, you were faking them?

[JordanA24]

I've got an odd gut feeling on Sweeny

Care to elaborate? I welcome suspicions I can defend myself from but odd gut feelings and hunches are tough to rebut...

I don't know, it's one of those odd gut feelings you get sometimes, which actually often turn out correct in the end. Wish I could explain it better, but I can't. All I'm saying is

IGMEOY

.

[JordanA24]

Anything else you want to add before I drop the hammah?

[JordanA24]

I'll give him his last requests first.

[JordanA24]

Anything else you want to add before I drop the hammah?

Oh, I should state my role, in case it comes up later...
I am Terrorsaur....Predacon...when in Beast Mode I become a Pterodactyl.

Any specific role?

[JordanA24]

That's -1 by my count.

Hammah time?

[JordanA24]

Oh, should I be roleblocking anyone tonight?

[JordanA24]

There's a couple of possible roleblock targets I'm considering, I'm waiting for the mod to reply to a question before I decide the risk of hitting a cop/doc is worth it.

[JordanA24]

Mod?

[JordanA24]

I would be more interested in the ones who made up the early Ryan bandwagon,who were Lowell, Aimee, HH (confirmed town), deezr (random vote) and Primoris. However, both Lowell and Aimee were early votes on Fraggle, so, I'm inclined to think they're not scum (sorry Lowell for all the hassle I gave you), however, Primoris didn't, although he had asked for replacement at the time, but I agree with what Albert said that Primoris was very neutral. So

Vote Primoris

.

And, if anyone's interested, I roleblocked StD last night.

[JordanA24]

I'm wondering what everyone thinks, do we assume that Ryan killed HH or that we have 2 killing groups or what?

Don't think Ryan killed HH, Dinobot's primary weapon was a sword, nothing to do with fire.

I too would like to hear from primoris (or is he being replaced?) But with 5 to lynch today I'm going to hold my vote for the moment...

Primoris is getting replaced.

[JordanA24]

Unless we have a second vig, there is almost certainly a serial killer among us. One of the main reasons I'm posting normally is I'm the prime SK suspect right now. You might think that's kinda cool, but I don't wanna be lynched based on some of my music preference 8)

Not knowing much about the show, I'm not sure, but I think that if we have an SK, it'd probably be Rampage (the charachter, not you Albert). If so, I'd imagine Ryan was the SK kill, which would make sense.

[JordanA24]

EDWOP: Welcome Confused!

[JordanA24]

Wouldn't it be ironic if you were the SK if I'm right about Rampage.

[JordanA24]

Jordan, obviously you are unable to quote your PM, but seeing as your role is a Predacon, does it indicate that you will win alongside the Maximals?

It says I win when all anti-town players are eliminated.

[JordanA24]

Lowell was a very early voter for Fraggle, I'm not saying it exonarates him completely, but it certainly makes him less suspicious.

Now Primoris/=Confused= is contributing now (nice analysis btw), I think I'll

Unvote Vote: TG

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[JordanA24]

A few questions Jordan
Why didn't you block Lowell if you thought he was scum?
Why did you chose STD to block last night?

During the night, the more I thought about it, the more scummy StD seemed to me, he attacked me and called me "certain scum", which seemed to me like picking a convenient target. He also attacked Ryan but said he was town, and oddly enough, gave the same treatment to Lowell, who I thought at the time was scum, he even said, he was low on the pro-town list, but still thought he was town without explaining, I was thinking of a Lowell-StD scumteam there, and I was thinking that they'd send StD to do the kill because of how much I attacked Lowell during the day. Now of course, the block obviously didn't work, and I'm now confident Lowell isn't scum, so I've also lost one of the main reasons why StD was scum as well because of that, so StD has gone up the pro-town list too, though not as much as Lowell.

Why did you chose to revel this information now? If STD is scum maybe you could have caught him in a lie.

I actually never thought of this, I'll remember for next time.

[JordanA24]

And, if anyone's interested, I roleblocked StD last night.

Thanks, dude.[/quote]

Sorry about that, I was so goddamned sure, but now I think I've made a mistake there.

[JordanA24]

He was a very early voter for Fraggle.

[JordanA24]

TG, if you've been reading recently, you'd realise that I now think Lowell to be protown.

TG, what are your thoughts, who do you suspect?

[JordanA24]

*bump*

[JordanA24]

2. Save The Dragons

Later he says that Fraggle's posts have had a "weird" vibe. He promises to give Fraggle a case if he goes after him, yet never does this. I still am interested in hearing this.

Instead, he just hammered him when his lynch looked inevitable, my gut's saying this stinks of bussing, in fact, despite the evidence for him, my gut's still screaming he's scum. I really don't know what to make of StD.

[JordanA24]

Some of us are already voting TrustGossip, I still don't get why Aimee is scummy.

[JordanA24]

What does "WIFOM" mean? I se it pop up a lot.

WIFOM

[JordanA24]

My top suspects are TG & StD. TG for fence sitting (until of course the votes starting piling up against me), overreacting to Teffc being replaced. This:

Your post 408 is actually somewhat good, but it doesn't really help that every single other of your posts reeks. Oh, and a little FYI, just because someone presented a very clear and damning case against you (STD) doesn't mean that your mockery of quotes and longwindedness is going to help you at this point. It also is very poor play to accuse the current stack of votes against you on STD's experience and not the fact that everything he said makes perfect sense. You should also, maybe, possibly try to defend your own posts at this point instead of continuing to displace upon Lowell. Oh wait! That's all you've really done the whole game!

I don't see why I can't protest against an experienced player strolling in and saying I'm certain scum, that player might be (and atm I feel is) scum. You even said that my post was good. I had tried defending myself as well.

Also, later on he posted this:

Friday: Early morning

1. Jordan, at L-1, claims "pro-town roleblocker" to little fanfare.
2. HH says that this is a convenient scum claim (it is) and then pulls a "too-townie" argument at me from nowhere. Then says I have been playing it safe (what?).
3. Aimee doesn't do much, like usual.
4. Ryan unvotes, stating his reason as avoiding a quick-lynch.
5. Lowell agrees with HH, then suggests a wagon of me (again, where is this coming from?)
6. Fraggle argues flavor, look he's actually initiating a line of reasoning by himself! *golfclapping*
7. Jordan talks about using Wikipedia to read up on the show. Admits that his role flavor smells. Interesting.
8. ryan does a little thing he picked up from SweenyTodd, asking questions of other people. Generally, this should really only be done when discussion slows a little and a boost and a refresh are in order, otherwise it's assumed that everyone still has the same opinions as they had on their most recent post. Ryan, it's still Friday.
9. STD disagrees with HH's suggestion of a no lynch, an opinion that I second. No lynches should only be used when mathematically sound (i.e. there are a small group of people in a non-LYLO situation when a following scum night kill would help narrow suspicions to catch the scum in the end) or when discussion has entirely petered out and there's just nothing to go on. Neither case is true at this moment. STD then says some more stuff and continues in is argument against Jordan.
10. Jordan responds, blah.
11. STD responds, blah.
12. Fraggle responds, super blah.
13. Ryan votes Jordan.
OBJECTION!
See item #4 please.
There is a clear contradiction in the evidence! Am I supposed to believe that only giving Jordan 10 hours to defend as being synonymous with a person who is opposed to a possible quicklynch? I understand that with your pace of posting, you obviously have nothing better to do than go on Mafiascum every few hours, but surely you understand that this behavior is very questionable?

Major FOS: ryan

We now know Ryan to be town, I'm thinking that he's trying to catch Ryan by turning a slightly scummy thing into a "major" issue.

StD, my gut still says he's scum, when he replaced in, he walked in and tried to direct the town onto a convenient target (and his analysis was odd). Plus his hammer of Fraggle still looks like bussing to me.

Also, Sweeny, I don't see why Aimee not voting for 10 pages puts her at the top of your scumlist above, in my opinion, far more worthy candidates.

[JordanA24]

All the same, happy scumday Lowell!

[JordanA24]

My vote on TG still stands.

[JordanA24]

Vote: Confused

You could say I'm confused by this vote.

Why =Confused=? I think his TG vote is perfectly valid, he gave reasons for it. TG might have gone missing, so what, does it make him any less scummy. Teffc also went missing, does that mean he wasn't scum?

[JordanA24]

Vote: TG

Sweeny being scum further suggests that TG is (probably) our last scum, though, it looks like we still have an SK.

[JordanA24]

He voted Aimee rather than go on the TG bandwagon, and rereading his analysis (Post 624), he came up with this for TG:

TrustGossip: I don't mind the pressure on Trust, I feel like he has slid under the radar thus far... I have liked his analysis of the game to this point, though I can see Confused's issue with fence-sitting... The one play which I didn't like was his end-of-day jump on Ryan. It seemed overly definative when I don't believe the evidence supported it...

He paints quite a scummy picture of TG, and yet, on his final scumlist, he puts TG...

Aimee
STD
Jordan
TrustGossip

4th. Doesn't fit to me. He put this...

JordanA24: Claimed RB, still un-confirmed. Seems to have backed off of his D1 play an awful lot, going from this:

I've already posted all the evidence that there is for Lowell being scum, now it's up to the rest of the town to believe me. I'm willing to put my head on the line if Lowell isn't scum.

to this:

TG, if you've been reading recently, you'd realise that I now think Lowell to be protown.

If anything, it seems that D2 has sobered Jordan a bit, he seems more tentative than he was D1. Would like more analysis from him atm, his D2 posts have been a bit lacking in content (I know, pot calling kettle black... bite me).

...before TG, which seemed scummier to you from that analysis, me or TG?

Couple that with how scummy TG has been anyway, I'm 99% sure that TG is our last scum. If we're quick, we can save the mod the trouble of finding a replacement.

[JordanA24]

TG. I didn't really have an idea who might have been his scumbuddy. Isn't it annoying how it becomes so obvious who it was when it's revealed.

[JordanA24]

Just to confirm, the Voks are the enemies?

And the Maximals are all good?

Yeah, well, there might be a Maximal/Predicon SK, but the Vok are the main scum.

[JordanA24]

Alright, we'll wait for a TG replacement, but he deserves some votes on him at the very least, and the replacement probably needs to roleclaim.

[JordanA24]

Fair enough, seems to make sense looking back.

[JordanA24]

Could Sweeny have killed before being killed?

I assume that's what happened, provided of course that TG is in fact the last scum.

[JordanA24]

Jordan, obviously you are unable to quote your PM, but seeing as your role is a Predacon, does it indicate that you will win alongside the Maximals?

It says I win when all anti-town players are eliminated.

This is odd, and his win condition is not in the same format as my own is.
Maybe it's because he's a claimed power role.. or a predacon? Hmm.

I am a Predacon (Scorponok), but they aren't scum in this game.

Regarding my win condition, if you're saying it doesn't have the same wording as yours (that is assuming that you've got a protown win condition, which I don't) it obviously wouldn't, if I posted it word-for-word, I'd get modkilled.

[JordanA24]

Nope, I think we're both protown.

[JordanA24]

(that is assuming that you've got a protown win condition, which I don't)

I was originally going to say that you yourself do not have a protown win condition, by your own admission, but then I realized that you COULD just be saying that you don't assume I have a protown win condition. But you have REALLY got to learn to phrase yourself better.

Yeah, sorry.

I think I caught scum with my second post - why all the hostility?

What makes you say this? I say again, I didn't post my win condition word for word because otherwise I'd be modkilled.

[JordanA24]

FoS: Jordan

You just didn't RB anyone? With a Doc gone, what were you afraid of? You also didn't RB who you said you would the night previously if I remember correctly. I'll have to do a thorough read through later.

I did roleblock someone, TG (now Skruffs).

Night 1, I chose to roleblock STD rather than Lowell because I thought that since the scum would know there is a potential that the person they send to kill someone would be roleblocked, so they wouldn't have sent Lowell because I've been after him all game, and they'd have thought I'd roleblock him, so I went for someone I suspected of being his buddy (STD).

[JordanA24]

Also, on the Cop claim issue (presuming we have a cop), if they have a guilty on anyone, claim now please. If they have two innocents, don't claim yet.

In fact, the cop shouldn't claim unless they have a guilty, since they could well be naive if he keeps getting innocents.

[JordanA24]

Some actual evidence against me would also be nice.

[JordanA24]

Jordan claimed one win condition and then stated that he didn't actually state his real win condition. That, to me, says something.

OMG!!! *bangs head on keyboard repeatedly*

What makes you say this? I say again, I didn't post my win condition word for word because otherwise I'd be modkilled.

I couldn't make it bloody plainer.

[JordanA24]

You could have stated what it took for you to win. It says not to quote PMs from the mod - but it doesn't say you couldn't have just said what yoru win condition was. I wouldn't consider that a quote. Otherwise you couldn't have claimed at all.

I did say what it took for me to win:

It says I win when all anti-town players are eliminated.

I'm voting Skruffs right? Good.

[JordanA24]

In fact Skruffs, that's what you started out you're entire case with, look:

(Bolding and underlining mine)

Jordan, obviously you are unable to quote your PM, but seeing as your role is a Predacon, does it indicate that you will win alongside the Maximals?

It says I win when all anti-town players are eliminated.

This is odd, and his win condition is not in the same format as my own is.



Maybe it's because he's a claimed power role.. or a predacon? Hmm.

So, he obviously knew I'd said what it took for me to win, he even quoted it, yet 2 pages later, he asks me to post it, WTF is going on there Skruffs?

[JordanA24]

Also, how do you know that lynching Jordan is a mistake?

If you can post a case against me, I'd be happy to respond to it, but right now, I can't do anything about your constant "Jordan is scum" posts because you aren't providing any evidence for it besides your rather invalid point against my win condition post.

[JordanA24]

Unofficial Vote Count

Skruffs- 3 (ABR, Dusk, JordanA24)

ABR- 1 (Skruffs)

Not Voting- 3 (=Confused=, Aimee, Lowell)

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Skruffs, if you're so against me, why aren't you voting me? You also seem to be reluctant to do this:

If you can post a case against me, I'd be happy to respond to it, but right now, I can't do anything about your constant "Jordan is scum" posts because you aren't providing any evidence for it besides your rather invalid point against my win condition post.

You're at -1 Skruffs, maybe claiming would be a good idea.

[JordanA24]

Ditto, I guess

Unvote

[JordanA24]

I'm going for a reread on ABR, Confused and Dusk.

[JordanA24]

ABR, if you are an SK, why claim? And why does this make Dusk scum?

[JordanA24]

I say both Dusk and Confused claim.

[JordanA24]

Confused to claim?

(Though he hasn't posted in-game, or indeed on-site, for 5 days)

[JordanA24]

I'd be fine with lynching Albert, and I RB one of Dusk and Confused and Aimee investigates the other. But only after Confused claims, I think Aimee should investigate who we decide to be most suspicious of Dusk/Confused.

[JordanA24]

EDWOP: If Albert is SK, I RB the most suspicious, if Albert is not SK, well, it doesn't matter who gets investigated/RBed out of Dusk/Confused as long as everyone else is telling the truth about their role.

[JordanA24]

So you're a jester?

[JordanA24]

Then why claim SK for no good reason?

[JordanA24]

Why would the real SK claim?

[JordanA24]

Has anyone counterclaimed mason?

[JordanA24]

Hey Jordan, are you still waiting on Confused to claim?

Yep

[JordanA24]

I'd imagine it's because I'm a claimed RB AND a claimed cop has an innocent on me.

If Aimee isn't telling the truth about her cop claim, then you'd look worse than me, since the only thing that you have in your favout is her claimed innocent investigation of you.

[JordanA24]

You know, I'm almost certain Albert is a Jester.

[JordanA24]

Actually, if he was the jester, I think he would have self hammered by now.

If I don't hear from Confused by the end of the day, I'm hammering Albert.

[JordanA24]

If I'm hammering Albert today, we need to settle on a plan. I propose:

1) If Albert is Mafia: Aimee investigates Dusk, I RB Confused. If the SK turns up guilty to investigations, and Dusk is the SK, no matter what she does, we find out she's the SK tomorrow. If Dusk turns up innocent, whether she's investigation immune SK or Confused is the SK, we lynch Confused the next day, if Confused turns up innocent, we lynch Dusk the next day, and we win.

2) If Albert is SK: We do the exact same as above, only if Dusk turns up innocent, we lynch Confused safe in the knowledge that she's scum.

3) If Albert is neither Mafia or SK: We simply lynch Dusk tomorrow, Confused the day after, it doesn't really matter who we Investigate/RB tonight.

Sound good?

[JordanA24]

That I hadn't thought about. That's an excellent point.

[JordanA24]

You assume too much Skruffs.

What if ABR isn't the SK?

And I think what ABR was implying was that you are infact the SK that has Investigation Immunity.

[JordanA24]

Oh yeah, so I did.

Well I guess that clears you then.

Right, presuming nothing else happens, no-one unvotes or nobody wants the day to go on longer, I will hammer Albert tomorrow night.

[JordanA24]

I found Primoris very scummy upon reread, so, if ABR turns up SK, I think Aimee should investigate Confused, while I block Dusk. If ABR's Mafia, then I RB Confused, and Aimee, well, may as well investigate Dusk just in case SK turns up scum, but I'm not sure that'll happen.

If ABR turns up town, I'll do the same as if ABR is SK.

[JordanA24]

I don't like the way people are focusing on Confused.

I want Albert lynched and Dusk roleblocked tonight, that's my main plan.

Actually, I think if ABR turns up scum, then Dusk is our more likely SK now you mention it.

In any circumstance, I RB Dusk and you investigate Confused, agreed?

[JordanA24]

I blocked Dusk, which means:

Vote: Confused

[JordanA24]

Make that,

Vote: Ryan

How ya doin'?

[JordanA24]

If Ryan isn't scum (highly unlikely IMO), then I'm blocking Lowell.

[JordanA24]

I blocked Dusk, Aimee was killed last night, therefore, Ryan is most likely our last scum.

Though if he isn't, it'd be very suspicious of you, especially since you voted Ryan without knowing why we are. Btw, we'd already hammered Ryan.

[JordanA24]

Actually Albert, I think if you had claimed Jester on Day 3, especially with you faking the post-restiction Day 1, I think I probably would have believed you.

But I'd agree that there probably was one too many power roles, personally, I'd have gotten rid of the Vig, or made the Cop insane. I think it would have been better balanced then. And the scum were pretty unlucky anyway, with Sweeny being killed by the SK, that was probably the major turning point for the town, especially considering that generally, Sweeny was thought of as reasonably protown.

Kudos to chaotic for modding, to Ryan for replacing into the doomed role, and everyone else for a good game.