Mini 442 - Beast Wars Mafia Game Over

[Lowell]

vote aimee

Great. Themed. Throw logic out the window.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote jordan

for being scum.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote jordan

for being scum.

Yay, my first ever vote!

That doesn't sound like a denial.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote Trustgossp

to bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.

How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote Trustgossp

to bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.

How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.

WHY would you bandwagon a potential townie? I'm not sure I like your tactics

My apologies. That bandwagon was totally unnecessary.

unvote, vote ryan

. FEEEAAR me...

[Lowell]

I personally like to see who jumps on and off of wagons on day one.

Plays it safe but feels that Lowell is guilty?

Vote: Ryan

Good post. This guy is town.

[Lowell]

That summary of Aimee's makes me weirdly suspcious, but I'm not sure why. M'eh.

[Lowell]

@Jordan- Okay, okay, we get it. You're upset that we're trying to lynch your scumbuddy. Sheesh.

Seriously, you're trying to present a "most likely" scenario that doesn't include ryan, just cuz you *wubs* him too much? Does that, like, EVER work?

Ryan today, Jordan tomorrow, celebratory wine and cheese for all after.

[Lowell]

^^^ Lowell that was as useless of a post as you've posted in awhile now. I definetly feel much better about my vote now, you are definetly scum and you show it by not helping us find the scum. Seriously what does that post tell us? That you're mad because Jordan stood up to you? You are mad that I voted you? Or you feel as though you are going to be killed and it's a last dash effort to save your own backside by throwing out my name and Jordan's and saying we are scum together?

1. I'm not going to be lynched. If you want me dead you'll have to do it yourself tonight.
2. A "last ditch" effort, at 3 votes??? Good times.
3. My vote on you was for the way you attacked early bandwaggoners before the bandwaggon even took off. I believe you said something stupid like someone was a "potential townie".

All that said, I'm no longer sure you're scum, if for no other reason than because this connection between you and Jordan is becoming too intense-- I would have expected a little distancing by now if you were both scum. Let me find another wagon to join.

unvote, vote teffc

. I have no idea what the case is against him, but other people seem to like it, so I'm there!

[Lowell]

Wait, do I still have someone's random vote on me? Screw this:

unvote, vote OTU

. I can OMGUS with the best of them.

[Lowell]

Nope.

[Lowell]

Oh wow, I just noticed on the front page. teffc is being replaced? I can't see anything positive coming from this...

What the hell does this comment mean?

[Lowell]

New people are always good. All the better to read scumtells from...

[Lowell]

I'm going back to

unvote, vote ryan

. Your last few posts have been a bit off, in my opinion. Something about the way you wrote "us townies" and argued that quiet players are actually HELPFUL doesn't sit right.

[Lowell]

Thanks for misreading my post. I said that when people try and fly under the radar it makes it easier for us to vote them off because they aren't contributing anyway. Obviously your scumdar needs a few screws tightened because it's WAY off if you think I'm scum

Still a dumb point. Now it just looks like opportunism. If you were convinced teffc was scum, his replacement will be too, obv. Instead your argument is basically "it's easier to lynch quiet people." Fair enough, but that shouldnt' be what you're doing.

That you're worried that teffc's replacement might start to actually contribute makes me think you're searching for an easy lynch.

[Lowell]

Oooh... and that vote count reminds me to

Vote: Ryan

Good post. This guy is town.

Now comes the part where opportunists jump on me!

[Lowell]

Nice post. I had forgotten abou the quote from Trust Gossip. Sheesh, is anyone NOT scum in this game (besides me, HH, and sweeny I mean)?

[Lowell]

I've got two scum now. Ryan and Albert. Discuss.

I can't talk now (internet cafe), but will write more when I get back to work on Tuesday.

[Lowell]

@sweeny- sorry, I skimmed. What exactly am I responding to, again? Other people being worried that I'm attacking them? Please write your question again.

@jordan- Scumteam: ryan, albert, jordan. How's that strike you?

Two things:
1) I looked at jordan's posts in isolation. Odd things, those. He seems to keep ryan in his posts but at arm's length. He says things like "for now ryan gets a pass" and other stuff that I dont' feel like trying to find again. His attack to me has increased in intensity as I've become more and more sure of ryan's scumminess.
2) His "case" against me is the ultimate in reaching. I OMGUSed too late?? I switched bandwagons?? I voted with less than compete justification?? Really??Who cares???? No, seriously, who cares? That's, like, Scumplay 101. Find someone sloppy and call him scum. He's trying to bully the town into what is-- admittedly-- a convenient lynch.

Look again at the connections between ryan and jordan, and (lately) Albert. Albert's last post, especially, where he joins my wagon to take the pressure off ryan (after waiting awhile to see if someone else would do it) is ACTUALLY scummy.

[Lowell]

Ha, oops, missed this whole last page.

Fitting post by Jordan just above mine. Hahaha. Really, now, is that it??

Just because you quote a lot doesn't mean you proved anything.

Aimee- my advice, look over the jordan/ryan connection, and let's vote ryan. I'll spare you wordy and useless "proofs".

[Lowell]

Why isn't Lowell dead yet?

Probably has something to do with him promising to post on Tuesday and most of the town being unimpressed with the case you have made against him...

*clap clap clap*

But seriously, Jordan, if I doubted before, I don't now. Sweeny did an excellent rundown of your insane scum tactics.

@sweeny- It's hard to put my finger on why Aimee's post(s) looks scummy. Here's the best way I can describe it. The "blow-by-blow" post seems a little opinion-dry. As in, heavy on narration, but not really saying anything. The second post, "player-by-player", casts TOO WIDE a net for my taste. She doesn't want to exonerate anyone or implicate anyone. Not really.

It could be that she just doesn't have that many strong opinions. Which is why I didn't vote for her. But I would be remiss if I let that post slide with everyone saying how great it was without me mentioning my little bit of doubt.

[Lowell]

On one hand, his reasonings on aimee are very astute and spot-on, indicating a healthy amount of pro-town suspicion on some scummy behavior. On the other hand, this information is only really revealed as Lowell senses that he's on the chopping block, and could be an attempt to throw suspicion on another person. Further more, it's somewhat convenient that he came up to the same opinion/yet non-opinion about aimee as I did.

1. I didn't know it was your opinion too. I'm so sorry for agreeing with you.
2. I didn't say anything because my "analysis" of the post isn't that useful, frankly. I said something was vaguely suspicious, because it IS vaguely suspicious. I'd like to avoid a treatise on the subject.
3. I'm not on the chopping block.

[Lowell]

Lowell, if you are still around today please respond to these...

Wait, do I still have someone's random vote on me? Screw this:

unvote, vote OTU. I can OMGUS with the best of them.

What is this all about?

Also Lowell:

Do you believe that something obvious (like a Jordan-Ryan pair) would be likely? IT seems that there are too many connections between them that its unlikely to me...

1) I wanted to get OTU's attention with that vote. Really, this bandwagon is so stupid it makes me crazy. One RANDOM vote (his only post so far this game), followed by ryan and jordan scumteam teaming up to get me to 3 votes. Ridiculous. I want OTU to OWN his vote on me or get lost. People won't realize just how scummy this bandwagon is until the random votes leave.

2) I do find it strange that ryan and jordan would buddy up together so much if they were scum. But really, that's the ultimate in WIFOM (ooh, scum would NEVER be so obvious, so we're not scum). More importantly, I really think they thought I would be a quick, easy lynch and that everyone would rally around killing me, thus making their like-mindedness not so obvious in the midst of a mob. As it is, they can't get people to vote for me and they're becoming increasinly exposed.

[Lowell]

Awww they both responded. How cute.

[Lowell]

Also: I wanted to ask Lowell the same question (you only asked Ryan and Jordan)...and he still hasn't answered.

You mean, if

both

jordan and ryan turn up town?

Won't happen. If it does, I'll eat my hat.



Really, I guess at that point I'd be looking in the direction of those who have been cleverly lurking since the argument between me & jordan began.

[Lowell]

FOS Fraggle

I like that post by albert, actually. Maybe fraggle is a little TOO interested in the future.

[Lowell]

It chills my bones to do this, but...

unvote ryan

. His play seems a little different. A little, um, tamer, than when he's scum. Especially recently. And I give him points for trying to keep the game moving despite some general apathy. My new theory is that scum are sitting back enjoying the fireworks.

mod

, I too would like a votecount.

[Lowell]

Sorry if I missed it. What's the deadline and deadline lynch rules?

[Lowell]

vote aimee

.

I have this nagging feeling that we're on the wrong track, and scum are willing to just sit back and wait for deadline to pass. Aimee, for her "I'll just sit here and wait for STD to say something" doesn't win any points from me.

[Lowell]

One thing I have thought just now is that perhaps Ryan is a townie, who got accused first, and Jordan is scum. Jordan is trying to link to Ryan so that if Ryan gets lynched, he looks more like a townie. I think their whole defence is totally bizarre, as is the case against Lowell. However, I see Jordan as scummier than Ryan at the moment.

This is EXACTLY what I was thinking as I read it.

unvote, vote Jordan

Remember, we need to get to 7, so let's get moving.

[Lowell]

Jordan, it is precisely your insistance that I'm scum that makes me think you're guilty.

Real townies are curious. Real townies vary their targets. Real townies want EVERYONE to give thoughts and are willing to change their own opinions.

All I've seen from you is "Lowell is scum! It's obvious! Go get him!" even after others have made clear they don't agree with you.

No, this is an attempt to

look

curious and aggressive (so as not to be called timid!) while actually being neither of those things. You've spent the whole game attacking me and buddying up to ryan. If ryan is innocent (as I'm starting to suspect), this is exactly what I'd expect a decent scum player to do.

[Lowell]

There's no need to be curious if you're sure about something.

Evasiveness masked as confidence. Nice.

[Lowell]

I don't know if I believe the claim. I tend to agree with Hacker that it's a little too convenient.

Looking back, I can see a TrustGossip wagon being useful as well. Just sayin'.

[Lowell]

1) I'm still not sure about the claim, but it seems plausible.

unvote

2) I was impressed with Trust's latest posts.

3) I'm not really seeing the case on ryan at all anymore. He's waaaay different when he's scum.

4)

vote Fraggle

. There are some silent people out there and I think I know why: the town has been consumed arguing over townies and the scum are happy to sit quiet. Plus, I liked sweenys post.

[Lowell]

STD, Dusk, and Trust.

If the mod doesn't extend the deadline, we'll need your thoughts on Fraggle NOW.

I still have this nagging suspicion scum are trying to run out the clock.

mod

, I too request an extension, if that matters. I think it's fair to say discussion has picked up of late.

[Lowell]

I believe ABR's post restriction is genuine.

[Lowell]

Received prod. Will post as soon as I can. Sorry for the inactivity.

[Lowell]

Eh, I'm still without the comp access I'd like. Just to give you an idea where I currently stand, in case... you know... anyone cares.

Innocent:

Lowell
Albert
STD
Jordan

Potentially Not Innocent:

Aimee
Dusk
=Confused=
Sweenytodd
TrustGossip

I'll have some better input hopefully very very soon.

[Lowell]

vote Aimee

.

Just a hunch. I need more info out of the five I listed.

[Lowell]

Lowell: Any chance you could break down why you find people on your list the way you do. Just throwing lists out there isn't helpful to the rest of us.

Albert because, in spite of himself, he managed to out a scum yesterday. Were he scum faking a post-restriction, the LAST THING another scum would do would be copy him. One's death would kill them both. And yes, I do think that's WIFOM-proof.

STD because I just finished a loooong game as scum with him, and he's different this time. I just can't see him as scum.

Jordan because I believe his claim.

Lowell because I'm certain he's town. And even if he wasn't, he'd lie.

[Lowell]

We have a lot of tentative people. That worries me...

[Lowell]

That no one wants to join the aimee wagon makes me feel pretty good about my vote, actually.

[Lowell]

Could we get some freakin' votes here already?

Someone take a stand. I say Aimee is scum.

[Lowell]

Do I need a prod? I'm here.

[Lowell]

Just a gut, really.

There are five candidates. Two of them must be scum. A few (I dont' remember who) were eager to lynch fraggle, so that's a point for them.

More or less process of elimination.

[Lowell]

As I said before, I'm reasoning that myself, Jordan, STD, and albert are all innocent.

That leaves me Aimee, Dusk, confused, Sweeny, and TG.

Sweeny was the first one to vote Fraggle, more or less out of nowhere, yesterday. So I think he's unlikely to be scum.

Of the other four, I think Aimee and Fraggle's interaction is the strangest. Aimee jumped on the Fraggle wagon early, but hesitantly. sweeny voted, then I voted, then she... uh... FOSed with a threat to vote. As things got worse, then she voted, and Fraggle quickly voted her in return.

My take on fraggle was an inexperienced mafia player. A player who panicked (as we all saw) and more or less didn't see the attack on him coming. I think Aimee wanted to distance herself from him, and he didn't know what to do except vote her back in return. If he really just wanted to lash out at those attacking him (not sure why he would) I think he would have taken on sweeny, or, more likely, me. That he waits for the THIRD vote to OMGUS someone (for a weak reason) doensn't make sense to me.

So yeah, that's the case.

As well, I feel like the Dusk, Aimee, confused, TG foursome has our remaining scum. 2/4, presumably, are guilty.

[Lowell]

I'm having a "scumday"? Uh, I'm almost scared to ask... what exactly is that?

[Lowell]

I still say Aimee is the play. By process of elimination, granted, but still a good play for today.

BTW, I will be gone from this Friday (Aug 3rd) until two Wednesdays after (Aug 15th) and will likely have no internet the entire time. If I need to be replaced, I understand, but I'd rather continue.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote confused

Not as sure about the Aimee case right now. She's seems to be participating, at least. Also I want to get a rival bandwagon going, especially on someone who defends a throwaway vote on a missing player...

[Lowell]

Lowell, why would you want a rival bandwagon so close to deadline ?

Honestly?

Cuz I'm bored.

[Lowell]

You think I'm "neutral"? What the hell?

Man, I can't help but feel slightly emasculated by that...

[Lowell]

Like I said, all just for fun!

[Lowell]

Okay so we have one scum and one SK left. Fair enough.

I'm going to claim, if only because any scum paying any attention at all will have figured it out, and all should have the same information.

I'm STDs mason buddy.

I apologize to any town powerrole for helping narrow the field of people to hide behind, but I don't honestly think that any scumplayer wouldn't have figured out my role after last night. Really, I'm just coming out so that lazy-ass townies can be up to speed too. So yeah, whatever. Carry on.

[Lowell]

Aimee, worry not, I won't name claim.

Which will be easy, because I have absolutely no recollection of what it is.

All I know is that STD was my BOY, and now he's gone. So very very sad.

[Lowell]

I haven't been paying attention, really.

Someone tell me why I shouldn't vote for Dusk.

[Lowell]

Oh Skruffs is TG, I get it.

Yeah TG was on my short list, if I remember.

[Lowell]

I'm adding Aimee to my list of innocents.

I like the way she's bucking the trend here. She's the only one trying to rock the boat, which I appreciate.

I'm beginning to think Albert could be scum. If I remember, I only took him off my scum list because he basically tricked some idiot into copying his fake role condition, and I found it hard to believe that TWO scum would be so dumb as to fake the same condition. Maybe I overestimate people, though.

[Lowell]

My mason buddy voted =confused= before he died. So that's good enough for me. He's one of the three choices we have left.

vote =confused=

. Why not.

[Lowell]

Wait, you seriously doubt I'm the mason?

Dear god, people, look at ALL the posts from STD and I.

Who brought that up, anyway. I should lynch you.

[Lowell]

Also, you're suggesting the REAL mason is just sitting back.... so that... what, exactly?

I don't even know how to begin to tell you how dumb that is.

[Lowell]

I'll hammer if needed, but I still think confused is the right play.

[Lowell]

I really think confused needs to be the kill here. For some reason I still don't think its Albert.

[Lowell]

Uh, I'm still the mason, skruffs.

I'm not really paying attention. Why is ryan/confused scum? Also, wasn't this what I've been saying all along?

Oh who cares.

vote ryan

. You dont' have to tell me twice...