Open 560: Tit for Tat (Game Over, 4/12 alive)

[T S O]

oh

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Moratorium deleted his post.

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why?

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I'm asking why he did it; it's not illegal in pre-game.

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do you think he deserves a modkill?

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Well, I'd have to agree with you, it's serious and it's false too.

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I was reaction testing Dot but I'm not going to pretend his answers were particularly indicative to his alignment. If he'd asked for the modkill, maybe.

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Really?

I don't see that I broke any rules, so no, it's not horseshit.

PEdit: You're welcome! I apologise for wasting approximately 30 seconds of your anniversary, you and your partner have quite the hectic life.

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I have no idea where you come from, but you seem to be new here.

The game hasn't started. Thus, I wasn't "pretending to break a rule." I just wanted to see how you guys would respond.

Moratorium physically cannot delete his posts. The accusation couldn't possibly -be- true.

[T S O]

Annoyed two of you and the game's not even started.

Not bad!

[T S O]

Because you got quickhammered on page 2 and left me to slog it out until endgame!

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I was really bored.

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Yes, role PMs are out. No, nobody is getting modkilled, no rules were broken yet.

Yet.

TSO, accusing someone of doing something that could warrant a permanent site ban and the obliteration of their reputation is kind of a dick move, even if it wasn't actually possible. You are an asshat.

Well, if I cared what you thought of me, that would probably be relevant. But I don't.

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"Doing this thing which could have very bad ramifications, even if it was impossible, is meaannn!"

You are a moron.

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Because if there's anything TSO is lacking, it's balls.

awww we mad?

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But seriously, I don't know if you think I'd do this as scum or not, but it's pretty obvious I'm just antagonising people for no reason. I don't think I've ever done that as scum.

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I'm sorry, but his reaction deserved it.

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Vote: SleepyKrew

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Flavor A.

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I love you, if it makes any difference!

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Massclaim...

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I think he's more intelligent than we give him credit for.

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On a site which usually promotes No Lynching?

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TSO might be the last of the scum though idk it seems too easy.

Why does it seem like I'm scum? I mean, if being antagonistic is a scumtell in your book, then sure, but that's simply a problem in your scumreading, not me being scum.

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So you think me doing nothing is indicative of me being scum?

Do I normally do this as scum?

[T S O]

Do you think that scum normally do nothing?

Do you think that the more you do, the less likely scum you are?

It seems a rather flawed principle that work = scum. I've made out large cases and relentlessly tunnelled on Town as scum. I don't feel it's alignment indicative, but you do, so I'd like to see you back it up.

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It feels off that I'm the only one noticing something a bit odd.

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Do you think that scum normally do nothing?

Do you think that the more you do, the less likely scum you are?

It seems a rather flawed principle that work = scum. I've made out large cases and relentlessly tunnelled on Town as scum. I don't feel it's alignment indicative, but you do, so I'd like to see you back it up.

Posting good, town-motivated content makes you more likely to be town.
Posting bad, scummy content makes you more likely to be scum.
Posting without including content at all, or to simply defend yourself (active lurking) is a pretty common scum tell yeah.

Has the word "anti-town" ever entered your lexicon?

I mean, it doesn't seem to have, because the definition you've given above seems rather naive. I can show you scum games where I've produced lots of content. I can show you towngames where I've produced none.

You don't take motivation into account, and so your analysis is only surface-deep. Thus, people can easily fool you.

Do you think my trolling was scum-motivated? Do you feel most trolls are scum, and your whimsicality has relevance towards your alignment?

I don't.

@N_M: He wasn't trolling, he actually thought that what he had posted was a good idea. I don't think he was trying to get on anyone's nerves, it just sorta happened.

I was bored and decided to have some fun. It wasn't a reaction test, but it works better to say it's a reaction test than flat-out trolling. How would I reaction test people on something that's impossible?

[T S O]

Being poor at Mafia must be one of yours, then, because I've tried to outline why your accusation makes no sense gently, and you haven't changed anything about your stance.

*sigh*

PEdit: OMG YOUR RESPONSE MAKES SENSE BUT YOU'RE IGNORING THE OTHER NOTHINGS THAT'S HAPPENING!

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What -has- happened? Riddleton being town? I noticed that. You being borderline-illiterate? That one's becoming clearer.

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I don't think we should converse anymore because talking to you just makes me sad.

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1) To address the TSO post, we can talk about the "spirit of the game" nature of that play post-game.

Well, you can talk about it postgame, I guess - I have no intention of apologising for trolling, and although you seem to think it's outside "the spirit of the game"... I don't.

Null reaction to the question based on what we know of TSO, but happy we're out of RVS because of it.

Judging from the overwhelming response vindicating me completely, it's blatantly obvious you don't know what you're talking about. Please quit flaunting your ignorance. Atta boy!

We also don't agree with the statement from KB that TSO's demeanor changed at all, or that a perceived change even matters, because he had his role when he made the accusation. It would be different if he didn't have his role, made this play pre-roles, and acted different once the game started. Trolls be trolling.

Wow, lots of words, but no read at all! Trolling =/= scum.

2) Flavor response

Our daughter is going to 3rd grade ACE classes next year, and the kids will have to vote on what subjects they are taught. This is a laughable exercise, because the choices are going to be like... Dinosaurs and Mythical Creatures, or Art and Music appreciation. The classes are inevitably chosen by how many boys and girls are in the class that year.

That said, We dissonantly

choose A

based on rock paper scissors (good ol' rock!).

Yes, yes, you're very smart.

[T S O]

NO TAMMY

COME BACK

PLEASE DON'T DO THIS TO ME

[T S O]

Catching up tomorrow.

[T S O]

1) To address the TSO post, we can talk about the "spirit of the game" nature of that play post-game.

Well, you can talk about it postgame, I guess - I have no intention of apologising for trolling, and although you seem to think it's outside "the spirit of the game"... I don't.

Wasn't looking for an apology, nor a discussion to prompt one. We've stated that it's a null-tell. It's your nature, so we can't use it to read you.

...what?

You said it required post-game discussion, I said it didn't, you said you weren't looking for a discussion?

What are you even doing?

Our quote wasn't about the content, or your vindication, it was about your nature. This is where you like to wallow. Therefore it can't be used.

Your quote should have been about the content. I enjoy, however, the fact that you are a rank hypocrite. You complain about the levels where the troll named TSO lurks, then post a link to a discussion which you now admit had no relevance other to ...slander my name? Your attempts to take the high moral ground makes me laugh.

We also don't agree with the statement from KB that TSO's demeanor changed at all, or that a perceived change even matters, because he had his role when he made the accusation. It would be different if he didn't have his role, made this play pre-roles, and acted different once the game started. Trolls be trolling.

Wow, lots of words, but no read at all! Trolling =/= scum.

That's right, and the statement is one regarding KB's views, not yours. Your reaction seems disproportionate to us. I thought you had some measure of pride in your trolling efforts?

Not particularly - I've never sold myself as a troll. You're the one who's pushing that I do.

2) Flavor response

Our daughter is going to 3rd grade ACE classes next year, and the kids will have to vote on what subjects they are taught. This is a laughable exercise, because the choices are going to be like... Dinosaurs and Mythical Creatures, or Art and Music appreciation. The classes are inevitably chosen by how many boys and girls are in the class that year.

That said, We dissonantly

choose A

based on rock paper scissors (good ol' rock!).

Yes, yes, you're very smart.

She is. We're proud parents.

Um, no. I never mentioned your daughter. You were the one who was flaunting how you feel the question is useless, before defeating the only purpose you could have for doing that by then participating in the question anyway.

Do you think that scum normally do nothing?

Do you think that the more you do, the less likely scum you are?

Do you think scum frame questions so as to avoid the area where they perceive themselves to be vulnerable? I do. And the heart of what Krystal seemed to be trying to get at (Krystal, please correct me if I'm wrong) was the much milder tone you adopted as soon as the game began, as opposed to your previous more caustic behavior. Now I'm pretty old school but I do like inconsistent behavior within the same game as a possible indication that someone is scum.

My behaviour was inconsistent, yes, because that more "caustic tone" is not my usual. I adopted it solely for people who did and still do get on my nerves (shoutout to you, Julian!). It would be both unenjoyable for me and you if I were to continue to use it. You can simply use my meta to evidence the fact I'm generally a nice guy. I have mean-guy scumgames and towngames. I also have nice-guy scumgames and towngames.

I was bored and decided to have some fun. It wasn't a reaction test, but it works better to say it's a reaction test than flat-out trolling. How would I reaction test people on something that's impossible?

Sure, it could be that. It could also be taking an opportunity to throw chaff into the air in an attempt to skew accurate reads on your behavior. That's the sort of thing good scum might do.

Am I good scum, though? Because if I'm bad scum, this argument falls to pieces.

And TSO? Thank you for this post. I feel like I know you so much better now.

You're welcome - it was enjoyable to show Julatorium why he was wrong. It still is.

But, let's be honest for a second here and I'll cut my condescending bullshit. Julatorium is either a prick, an idiot, or scum. He brought in a topic about verbal abuse, where I was the only example cited, and I was cited from only one game, where I was scum. He saw the quotes of me on the first damn page. Then he comes back, knowing that I can be aggressive and nasty as scum, knowing I'm being aggressive and nasty here, and what does he fucking do? Calls it a null tell! Where's the paranoia? That should set off the alarm bells in his head, because he knows I'm playing to relatively recent scum meta. But he doesn't. If he used that as a Town player should, in an attempt to figure out my alignment, he should be proclaiming wariness of me. He's not. He's probably scum.

You don't take motivation into account, and so your analysis is only surface-deep. Thus, people can easily fool you.

you are wrong with that, speaking on nik's behalf >:I

I disagree - motivation is the key to everything. Words are wind. Everything has a reason, everything is connected.

I would enjoy hearing how Nik scumhunts and pointing out how motivation could a) improve his method or b) factors in his method.

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I'm cool with that.

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this guy is very town.

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CAR B.

A pipe, marijuana for having a good time and cocaine for ruining people's lives.

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Wake/Justin/Riddle/N_M is my townbloc.

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Julatorium's readlist is quite accurate, actually. Either he's bussing, I'm giving bad townreads, or he's not scum.

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hgh and xfda are lurking like fuck and need prods up their holes.

Scumbloc is Mala, Krystal. Very slight town lean on Elmo. I need to look at Infinity, as well as the lurkers.

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I cannot find anything indicative of town whatsoever in any of their ISO's.

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So, 5 people I'm reading as scum?

great

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I ...could see Krystal being Town.

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At a stretch. Mantis is either a good scum player or town. I don't really think Nikanor's screaming scum either.

I'm not clearing them, before you ask.

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We can guarantee at least one lurker is scum.

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It's like Mala is just forcing her play and I don't like it.

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I am now alive in 2 games, including this, so I'll be spending a lot more time here.

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I just signed up for more though BUT STILL

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Unvote
Vote: xfda

I'm not confident enough in any of my scumreads. This fucking game.

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He didn't fake drop the tell - the question is if you think it's concrete enough to -be- a towntell.

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Inactivity is a perfectly good reason to vote you. You haven't done one thing which would make me consider voting someone else to date.

Your cry of "We really need a vote!" would probably look better if you said who we should vote or why we should vote them. Because the way you phrased it, it might just come off to some people that you don't care who we lynch as long as it's not you.

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TSO I appreciate that ignore from me. I really do.

/sacarasm

well I kinda read it but didn't really but will again and reply!

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I don't get N_M, explain por favor? Mucho gracias.

Pointing out townslips isn't something scum do to town, so they're either partners or he's clean.

Julatorium's readlist is quite accurate, actually. Either he's bussing, I'm giving bad townreads, or he's not scum.

Nope, only thing accurate in the scum reads is maybe Insanity. Elmo don't have a deff read, but right now in the null area. Your KB scum read is wrong, your read on me is wrong. I think it's possible both Justin and likely N_M townread is wrong.

Explain why Justin's scum.

hgh and xfda are lurking like fuck and need prods up their holes.

Scumbloc is Mala, Krystal. Very slight town lean on Elmo. I need to look at Infinity, as well as the lurkers.

Confirmed not scum with Insanity~

On a serious note. Your scumbloc is wrong, wrong, wrong~

comment on the lurkers.

I cannot find anything indicative of town whatsoever in any of their ISO's.

Look harder.

tried, failed, show me the light?

Mantis has a pretty damn transparent scum game to her town game. She's screaming bloody town as of right now.

she is, yeah, but there's just little bits every so often that make me question if she's not just faking it well.

It's like Mala is just forcing her play and I don't like it.

... Or I'm just trying to hunt.

Does your hunting usually look forced?

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I really want a lurker lynch because I have loads of townreads atm.

I don't really think Mala's scum anymore.

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I have no opinion on Elmo, he can be sorted at a later stage, and insanity is going to be kinda hard to read but I still think he's town.

idk Jules apologising could be the way he plays as scum but it's certainly not something I've ever seen scum do.

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I can't decide, they're all so useless and bland.

I just decided to vote xfda for no reason, essentially.

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the lack of response is kinda troubling; a big reaction either way tells me about xfda, but nothing means scum a) don't care about their scumpartner b) don't think it'll go through or c) he's town.

:/

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GET BACK IN THAT DRIVER SEAT

Let's break this thing down.

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"I'm inactive, problem is real life. Now you have no reason to vote me."

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I cannot claim to know anything about your personal life and while it may or may not be true, it in no way inhibits me pushing your lynch.

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I have no idea how someone's brain process works like this.

You cannot post --->Replace out.
You can post --->Play the game.

It's really very simple.

[T S O]

don't support Elmo.

[T S O]

Not_Mafia, Krystal Bald, insanity018, HGH7193, xfdagentx42

I will vote for one of the above only today. That's my preferred order (xfda being most, N_M being least).

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xfda's bull rings hollow and smells like active lurking.
HGH is just dead and I have no idea how he's still in the game.

I would enjoy a lynch on either very much.

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I can't say I'm reaallly townreading Not_Mafia, but I don't really want to lynch him unless it's unavoidable.
Krystal is the same as above, to a lesser degree (I would prefer a lynch on the bottom three to these two).
I cannot read insanity.

[T S O]

Get your votes off vanity wagons and onto people who can viably be lynched today.

Hint: xfda is a great vote for free towncred.

[T S O]

you were doing nothing
no

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He's Town, though. *sigh*

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That or scum have daychat, which I'll check.

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I feel it's worth saying you should vig HGH tonight.

Do not fucking vig me because I was pushing you.

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Unvote
Vote: HGH7193

Get 'em.

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Blame me? Only me for the wagon? Excuse me. TSO doesnt understand it at all. Remember that.

TSO is trying harder than me to understand you from the looks of things.

Let me show you what your play looks like from my own point of view!

"Herpaderp, oh noez I got votes, must claim so they go away, who cares if I die by doing so and if I confuse everyone over my decision to claim now, this is totally gonna rock and in no way are the scum going to let me live on purpose so they can lynch me on D2 based on me surviving the night, no sir! I'M AWESOME!"

Do you see why I really,

really

don't want to believe you?

@TSO: Is it the lack of a counterclaim that makes you believe this guy's Town? If it's something else, please enlighten me because I can't (or perhaps just don't want to?) see what you're seeing. =/

There are three possible scenarios:

1) He's the actual Vigilante: lynching him puts us a Vig down.
2) He's scum claiming Vigilante: he gets a free pass for one night before he dies from a Vigi. If their Doctor protects him, the lack of a kill proves his guilt.
3) He's Town claiming Vigilante: I do not think he would do this.

[T S O]

I was the only one really pushing his lynch, so I have no interest in backing down for the sake of it, but my very first game had me in this exact situation and scum pushed through my lynch.

[T S O]

Hmm.

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Unvote
Vote: Insanity

[T S O]

no, read up quickly.

[T S O]

he didn't go anywhere near mine, but Maru is drowning in the deep.

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This is me confirming by going to the thread and playing immediately as per my role pm.

Why did you feel the need to say "as per my role PM"? You're trying waaay too hard.

ISO'd my predecessor after I got asked to replace in and before I got my role, and he has like, one post not flavor-related.

Then you straight up Amished the fuck out of HGH.

Then started reading the posts since the last vote count. Now about to start an actual full read of the game, anything anyone would like me to pay attention to particularly?

This just comes off as submissive and appealing.

[T S O]

Unvote
Vote: Maruchan

[T S O]

get your vote off Moonlight, that was Tammy's slot.

[T S O]

(Maruchan, insanity, Krystal) is now the only group I will lynch in, with Maru most-wanted.

[T S O]

I mean I can kinda buy where you're coming from in that Moonlight is saying weird stuff which is designed to get xfda down, but the fact is that Tammy seemed really town with her meltdown.

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Insanity is probably the best vig there is, xfda, so, yeah.

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I really hope this fucker flips scum because I can think of reasons to townread almost everyone in the game.

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LAS VEGAS BITCHES

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omg Malakittens isn't being lynched quit splintering our goddamn vote!

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I mean, there's literally one way to prove you read your predecessor before and not after you got your role PM - your word, which I don't trust.

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we are not lynching xfda. he will be shot if he is scum.

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I could do Krystal today.

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Mala's getting dangerously close to IC-status.

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It's also the truth - and the truth is very dangerous indeed.

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Don't vote Mala.

I don't want to say it, but I kinda like that catch-up.

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Unvote
Vote: Krystal Bald

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no literally no-one else fucking votes Malakittens. Do not do it or you'll be an idiot firstly, and secondly an idiot who will seriously incur my wrath.

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do you have any meta of you fakeposting as Mantis as scum?

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Has the hydra ever been scum?

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*sigh*

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I keep getting fucking scumreads and then people keep being town until I HAVE NO SCUMREADS LEFT.

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Okay, I simply don't know who scum are anymore. gdi.

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Yeah, I have, and I keep getting walled by them right at the start where his first 3 posts or so are completely on the ball.

[T S O]

Elmo and Maru, I guess, but that's POE, not scumreads.

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I could vote insanity over Krystal.

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gdi I'm so indecisive

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Unvote
Vote: insanity

I just know I'm gonna look back at my d1, look at all the scum I ran up and cringe.

Meh.

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Hi TSO. I'd never deny that I'm an idiot but I'd love it if you could tell me why you think I'd be an idiot specifically for wanting to lynch Mala.

Mala is town as shit - I know you haven't seen it, but I would stake my life on it.

[T S O]

Sure.

Why are you voting insanity over KB again?

[T S O]

bah!

Why are you voting KB over insanity again?

[T S O]

I don't think anyone ever said that.

[T S O]

agreed.

[T S O]

why is insanity clear

[T S O]

I have no legitimate scumread on anyone.

I've been in this situation before; one of my townreads is scum.

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I think I want to vote Elmo.

There's one post I kept getting to in his ISO which would make me townread him but once I went past that, there weren't any more.

I was also townreading him because he felt like a scum-driven counterwagon when he was being ran up but meh.

[T S O]

Unvote
Vote: Elmo

[T S O]

well it's kinda me pushing this

idk I'm struggling to scumread either.

[T S O]

I kinda like you, Maru, but Moonlight was Tammy, so suspecting her is silly.

[T S O]

Elmo vote? I think so.

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my feeling is that scum didn't give a shit about either wagon, as evidenced by the lack of urgency.

[T S O]

I was never out of the townbloc.

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If I compromise on this, I want Elmo dead tomorrow morning. I do not care if you think Not_Mafia/insanity is scum, the only reason I ever townread Elmo was because he was the counterwagon to xfda who I was pushing as scum.

I really hate how Riddleton has begun to lurk like fuck.

[T S O]

We should try to get a claim.

[T S O]

I will be going to bed pretttty soon - it's 11:30 pm and I have a really important sport event in the morning. Justin, make it happen.

[T S O]

If I compromise on this, I want Elmo dead tomorrow morning. I do not care if you think Not_Mafia/insanity is scum, the only reason I ever townread Elmo was because he was the counterwagon to xfda who I was pushing as scum.

I really hate how Riddleton has begun to lurk like fuck.

We can get Elmo tomorrow. Especially when Krystal flips scum

tonight bitches!

[T S O]

*lining up vigs

[T S O]

It's Riddleton's damn bag, Jules, tell him.

[T S O]

Dear xfdagent:

WHAT THE FUCK?

[T S O]

why can't I get the vig?

[T S O]

YES

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TSO, why do you think Maruchan is xdfa's kill? Maruchan makes more sense as a scum kill imo.

I don't.

[T S O]

you're getting a nom for the above.

[T S O]

in other news, xfda, get the fuck in here.

[T S O]

that's not a fakeclaim though

[T S O]

you should really be dead, you know

[T S O]

can someone just get xfda the fuck in here so I can yell at him

[T S O]

Neither do I. I might once I get some information. I need xfda to do that.

[T S O]

imo one of {mala, elmo} is scum

[T S O]

not shooting was so remarkably antitown wow

[T S O]

And read the game, that'd help too.

[T S O]

I am not townreading you on play.

[T S O]

you shot maru

[T S O]

Hmmm.

Why isn't xfda dead?

[T S O]

We can probably assume I'm misreading at least one townread. Maybe more.

[T S O]

No, not meta either.

You should know why I'm townreading you.

[T S O]

xfda claimed he killed maru (WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY)

I would really consider massclaim except it's so antitown in this set-up.

[T S O]

Mafia submitted a kill.

Either

a) Jailkeeper blocked it
b) They also shot Maru

[T S O]

I ...don't think they shot Maru.

[T S O]

So the person the Jailkeeper blocked is either conftown or confscum... we just don't know which.

*picks up gun*

[T S O]

what even

why would scum no kill

[T S O]

I mean we're never going to lynch off JK results anyway today so why do it

[T S O]

I don't think it makes sense for scum to have no killed.

Flavour C

: I think we should try a different store...

It does in.a.big picture

Could you clarify what exactly this means?

[T S O]

Flavor: A

TSO, why wouldn't we lynch off of JK results?

we have no way of confirming did the JK jail the killer or the killed

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Vote: Elmo

[T S O]

you know you wanna

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V/LA indefinitely.

[T S O]

vote elmo pls

[T S O]

That's a great vote. Everyone else, follow.

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I'm not townreading Justin either.

[T S O]

Being townread by like everyone has its own tribulations - constant paranoia's one.

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I am townreading Mala, moonlight, Juls, xfda.

Basically everyone could die for all I fucking care, and I need flips. That is why the Vig shoots PEOPLE LIKE NOTMAFIA HE SAID HE WOULD.

[T S O]

You have no idea how annoying this is to me.

[T S O]

I want Elmo dead today and I'm not compromising. I basically owe it to KB not to compromise on things I shouldn't anymore.

This fucker is inactive and his wagon still hasn't grown. That's a good sign of him being scum.

[T S O]

would you mind selfvoting

[T S O]

to get you lynched, I'd say

[T S O]

because I'm obvtown and you're scum

[T S O]

I remember in Marvel Avengers, where no-one here but me as scum, the apathy town were feeling.

I'm feeling it right here.

[T S O]

how about now

[T S O]

idk why but that vote makes me feel dirty

still though

[T S O]

I feel less dirty.

[T S O]

yoohoo bitches this wagon is the only thing happening today. either hop on or hop on.

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try to hit someone tonight babe

I have to replace out, so hope you guys can win.

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really?

increíble

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I hate to be critical immediately, but that was depressingly bad.

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If only the Vig had actually gone on who we told him to n1, the game could have been over d3.

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But really? You lynched my slot? You know, the one who got Elmo lynched in the most non-bus-like push ever?

ns wasn't even particularly scummy.

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I don't have many problems with the above.

I'm not sure I'd have got insanity on d3 anyway because I didn't think Elmo was bussing, but I would have caught up to him the day after.

Let me quote something.

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Still prefer Insanity for reasons previously stated. Will vote Elmo in (expired on 2014-07-18 16:00:00) if insanity wagon isn't re-invigorated.

how about now

Okay fine

VOTE: Elmo

idk why but that vote makes me feel dirty

still though

"I prefer this wagon."
"I prefer my wagon."
"Oh okay, vote: Elmo!"

:/

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I'm aware I'm acting like a spoiled brat and I'm about to stop but with Elmo dead I felt I'd set you guys up to coast home fairly easily.

hephaestus. jesus. did you read the game?

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I also didn't understand why Moonlight wasn't basically conftown in LyLo.

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NM, did you pick up on Mala crumbing?

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So insanity would not have survived with us in the game. But I doubt we would have ever figured out Not_Mafia.

So, together, game over?

I actually think so.

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reading LyLo, the worst bit was when Moonlight figured the whole game out, reached out to ns, who I think also knew, AND THEN HEPH IMMEDIATELY DERPVOTED WITHOUT REASONING

*clicks trigger*

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The double replace was the gameturner, imo - if Jula was in the Heph slot, fairly sure this game would be in n4 by now.

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I enjoyed uctriton's flavor a lot and I'm nommying for a Scummy.

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It's cool, Heph. I always do this after games and then I calm down - it's just my way of venting my emotions. We were all invested.

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I don't have a problem with poor-to-atrocious play, as long as it's not selfvoting or its ilk.

I do, however, have a serious problem with someone not doing an action after being specifically told by multiple obvtown players it was the action which was best.

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nope

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I compromised d1, but I would have refused to compromise d2.

I don't think town were particularly sold on Elmo other than that I strongmanned it - ironically, for once, it was borderline irrelevant because insanity too was scum.