Mini 442 - Beast Wars Mafia Game Over

[ryan]

Well let's get this game started shall we? Thanks to random.org..............

Vote:HackerHuck

[ryan]

Vote: Random.org

How's that for OMGUS?

Well since I've seen this done on many other games I don't see it as a big problem

[ryan]

Vote: Lowell

You foiled my antics in another game. :'(

I think bringing up other games isn't allowed, or am I wrong?

[ryan]

unvote, vote Trustgossp

to bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.

How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.

WHY would you bandwagon a potential townie? I'm not sure I like your tactics

[ryan]

unvote, vote Trustgossp

to bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.

How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.

WHY would you bandwagon a potential townie? I'm not sure I like your tactics

He could also be potential scum.

Random bandwagons are alright on day 1, they can sometimes make a scum crack under pressure. I once saw a game where the godfather was lynched day 1 based on effectively a random bandwagon.

I agree that bandwagon's sometimes can get people to crack but isn't it also possible we mess up and nuke one of our townies? That makes me a little uneasy about piling on a newbie who could mess up and get defensive EVEN if they are a townie (saw it happen in a few games I've played). I just would hate to put the axe to one of our own on the first day ya know?

[ryan]

Well if we are outta the "random voting stage" Than..........

Unvote: deezr
Vote: Lowell

Bandwagon voting in the games I've played in might sound right but it always turns scummy in the end, AND voting because somebody ruined "another game you were in" those two don't fly with me and the scum o' meter is bumpin off the charts.

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[ryan]

I'll be honest, when trying to find scum early in a game I do probably play it "safe" I just hate giving scum the edge too early in the game, but I'm also not going to make a mistake and not look for clues on who to lynch day 1. We are only 2 pages in but the guilty one in my eyes so far is Lowell as I do not like the tactics that I explained in post 38.

[ryan]

I personally like to see who jumps on and off of wagons on day one.

Plays it safe but feels that Lowell is guilty?

Vote: Ryan

LOL, I guess putting a vote on somebody who only had one other vote feels to me like playing it safe.

[ryan]

Teffc: Do you believe Hackhuck to be scum?

[ryan]

Ouch..... I guess if you are a "pro townie who tries to play it safe" you find yourself on the chopping block. Well I apologize if I played it too safe so far, I just always want to make sure that I've got enough information on everyone and for now I feel very confident that the people who are "playing" that Lowell has shown enough scummy tendencies for me to easily vote him scum. We do have our share of lurkers right now.

[ryan]

Teffc: I don't disagree on HH but Lowell seems the more likely to be scum right now (granted that's as of "right now" I'm still reading past posts on Hacker to see if your claim merits a re-think on my part)

[ryan]

You seem pretty hot to trot to lynch my Hackerhuck........what's the rush?

[ryan]

Uh Teffc.......I was talking to Hackerhuck, a scum slipup on your part there? Why would you defend HackerHuck's choice when you still have no vote or an unvote on the list.........very interesting reply there Teffc

[ryan]

You seem pretty hot to trot to lynch my Hackerhuck........what's the rush?

No rush, but I wanted to make sure that the vote count wasn't indicating something special like a vote that doesn't count in the tally.

Why do you think the wagon on you has gained so much ground?

I'm pretty sure that two scum have jumped on my bandwagon and while one sticks out as scummy to me the 2nd one has done a good job of hiding

[ryan]

Lowell absolutely shows himself to be scummy in my opinion but the 2nd to me is either Aimee or deezr, but I'm not 100% sure on that, Aimee has been very quiet and deezr went from one of my suspects earlier to not posting anything of substance

[ryan]

Well, Deezr was a random vote, Aimee gave a reason, albeit a slightly poor one. But, this early in the game, we certainly don't have concrete evidence on anyone yet, though I agree with you on Lowell being the main suspect so far, joint top with Teffc for reasons stated above.

But nobody jumps out at your enough to make a vote yet?

[ryan]

Yep, I'm keeping my vote open until I really believe someone's scum.

You won't get a guilty result today, so what are you waiting on?

Are you being impatient or opportunistic?

[ryan]

Jordan, are you really just waiting for concrete evidence or rather just waiting for a good moment to vote for an innocent player without it looking suspicious?

There seems to be some sort of pattern with ryan and Jordan playing a very non-aggressive game whereas Lowell and HackerHuck seem much more inclined to lynch someone, which is a good sign. After getting some votes on him, I haven't seen ryan do something the last few posts that makes me think he's town.

I'm not sure Lowell is town either, but as I said, ryan hasn't managed to convince me at all, about his alignment.

Vote: ryan

I disagree with your vote tactics. Being more inclined to lynch somebody isn't a good thing. Trying to find out as much about everyone as you can is more beneficial to the town in my opinion which I've been doing since I started playing. I'd rather play it safe than jump on a bandwagon and lynch a fellow townie. We have too many lurkers/non participaters in this game currently to go after somebody who is trying to contribute and is trying to help out the town

[ryan]

@HH i don't know whether you're playing it tough because you are linked to the town or because you want to hide something and keep our eyes away from you. I'm very suspicious of you because you aren't denying anything nor explaining too much about the way you act.

What is there to deny or explain? I'm just hunting scum.

Or trying to start a bandwagon on a townie

[ryan]

Put me in danger to get info? That's your best explanation? Vote off a townie to drop our numbers and possibly give the mafia one more step to win the game, nice reasoning. All I can say is at least I've been active and tried to find the rest of the scum to let the town come up wth a win.

[ryan]

WOW. Look who crawled out and suddenly is posting its Aimee. So a lurker wants some answers? That’s interesting…. but why not, I’ve got nothing to hide, so here’s my look on a few posters


Lowell: Post #32 was the first time I looked at Lowell and thought guilty, it was early in the game and he already wants to bandwagon a newbie to make him crack? That wasn’t trying to find scum that was trying to get a town lynch on somebody early on, THAN he apologizes and throws a vote at me because I called him out on his comment? Lowell than chimes in, in post 47 saying Hackhuck is town (definitely coming to somebody’s aid rather early) And now after your post he suddenly thinks you could be suspicious?

Hackerhuck: Became defensive right away with my random.org vote. Very strange to tell somebody they suck when the vote was RANDOM. I’ve always said that early posts tell a lot about how people play and immediately I saw this as strange how he misconstrued my vote. Than jumps on me because I didn’t like how Lowell bandwagon voted and says I’m not playing it “safe” like I earlier said? How is one vote on somebody not playing it safe? Post 64 asking me what I thought about the “bandwagon on me” also seemed rather odd.

Primoris post #84 saying he doesn’t want me to be sacrificed but is willing to do so to see if my “scum buddies unvote to save me” is strange indeed. Why you would take a chance putting a townie in a lynch? Seems like he took a chance to vote with one of his scum buddies and didn’t really get called out on it

Lowell and Hackerhuck still feel to me as though they are scum but I wouldn’t hesitate in voting Primoris either.

[ryan]

I have just been hired for a summer job, so I've been busy doing screenings, interviews, licensing, consulting and et. cetera. Also, as my first game with 12, I

am

a bit overwhelmed.

Please give me 15 minutes to process five pages of banter,

if I don't respond then I am worthy of your suspicion

.

Sounds fair to me 8)

[ryan]

WAY too many lurkers here!

[ryan]

Where are we vote count wise? Looks to me as though at least 4 still have not posted and thus are hurting us townies more than helping us find the scum

[ryan]

To you townies that still haven't voted it's time to step up and take out the trash. There are scum that have targeted me, do not let them take me out, I am a pro town player and am more helpful alive than dead, trust me.

[ryan]

Where are you putting your vote at Jordan?

[ryan]

Sorry I missed that, so we're down to 2 lurkers (non-voters) ?

[ryan]

Has everyone weighed in with a vote yet?

[ryan]

^^^ Lowell that was as useless of a post as you've posted in awhile now. I definetly feel much better about my vote now, you are definetly scum and you show it by not helping us find the scum. Seriously what does that post tell us? That you're mad because Jordan stood up to you? You are mad that I voted you? Or you feel as though you are going to be killed and it's a last dash effort to save your own backside by throwing out my name and Jordan's and saying we are scum together?

I mean going back to your last post before that masterpiece was post #99 throwing suspicion at Aimee due to her summary because it made you "weirdly suspicious" And your post before that #47 was this gem

I personally like to see who jumps on and off of wagons on day one.

Plays it safe but feels that Lowell is guilty?

Vote: Ryan

Good post. This guy is town.

Am I the only one watching you "lurk" thru this entire game?

And after I called you out for "Bandwagoning a newbie to make him crack" (your words in post 32) you immediately turned defensive and voted me without any solid reasons

unvote, vote Trustgossp

to bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.

How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.

WHY would you bandwagon a potential townie? I'm not sure I like your tactics

My apologies. That bandwagon was totally unnecessary.

unvote, vote ryan

. FEEEAAR me...

Folks, the evidence couldn't get much easier than this. Lowell is our scum, plain and simple.

[ryan]

Alright, I'm back.

I see that that 5th vote I casted has stirred up some discussion and all I can say is that I stand by my decision.

I did not just want to see your reaction ryan, but everyone elses too.

I've got to read up a bit better before coming with something truly substantial, especially Aimee's long posts look interesting but I've got to agree that Lowell's most recent post looks odd. That change of play came out of the blue for me.

WELL that was what 50 posts ago? If you were trying to get a rise outta people or to see what they'd do after you voted you have ALOT of stuff to re-read. Lurk much?

[ryan]

So we're down to Teffc and Ripley as "needing to vote"

[ryan]

So we're down to Teffc and Ripley as "needing to vote"

Why are you so eager for them to vote? Your behaviour has turned rather aggressive.

Calm down HackerHuck, I was asking a question on who was left to vote. Why should I be in a hurry, I'm on the block right now, I'd like everyone to participate, no harm in that is there?

[ryan]

Welcome to the game Sweenytodd

[ryan]

Oh wow, I just noticed on the front page. teffc is being replaced? I can't see anything positive coming from this...

Two of our quietest players are now gone, agreed, this could be bad for us townies

[ryan]

Oh wow, I just noticed on the front page. teffc is being replaced? I can't see anything positive coming from this...

What the hell does this comment mean?

Well the way I read it is the same thing I'm wondering. Two new people in a game where we already are having problems making decisions, hopefully they bring in some good new information and thoughts

[ryan]

I'm going back to

unvote, vote ryan

. Your last few posts have been a bit off, in my opinion. Something about the way you wrote "us townies" and argued that quiet players are actually HELPFUL doesn't sit right.

Your entitled to your opinion. My argument that quiet players are helpful for us townies is basically this, people who are quiet on this game usually have something to hide and are hoping that they fly under the radar by not posting things that could get them into trouble. Those people are usually the ones that with a few votes or by "calling them out" will make a mistake and make it easier for us to vote them off. I dont know why putting "us townies" is any different than how others have?

[ryan]

Thanks for misreading my post. I said that when people try and fly under the radar it makes it easier for us to vote them off because they aren't contributing anyway. Obviously your scumdar needs a few screws tightened because it's WAY off if you think I'm scum

[ryan]

Thanks for misreading my post. I said that when people try and fly under the radar it makes it easier for us to vote them off because they aren't contributing anyway. Obviously your scumdar needs a few screws tightened because it's WAY off if you think I'm scum

Still a dumb point. Now it just looks like opportunism. If you were convinced teffc was scum, his replacement will be too, obv. Instead your argument is basically "it's easier to lynch quiet people." Fair enough, but that shouldnt' be what you're doing.

That you're worried that teffc's replacement might start to actually contribute makes me think you're searching for an easy lynch.

I didnt think it possible for you to get any scummier but you were able to even eclipse that. You sat around quiet for days with no vote on anyone and now you see your opportunity and you pounce? Thanks for making my case against you even easier

[ryan]

I've said it once and I'll say it again, my part of this game is to help the townies find and take out the scum, voting me off will be a mistake.

[ryan]

Well obviously since you are new I'll give you benefit of the doubt. Let me respond to your accusations

1) I don't know how bandwagons are good EVER. If you can honestly tell me how bandwagoning somebody into "messing" up is a good thing, I'll be REAL interested to hear how. All bandwagons do is make people defensive and irritable and end up starting a big argument (basically throwing off from the "Game portion"

2) So I've suspected Lowell, your point?

3) I have no problems with replacements but if somebody is going to try and fly under the radar, posting little, and not giving us anything to think about, than I dont have a problem calling them out on it

I've been apart of discussions when it's come to finding who is scum and who is not. I've contributed opinions, thoughts and ideas. Don't walk into a new game and start throwing around wild accusations about people if you dont have anything to back it up.

[ryan]

Post 10 and 12 were Lowell switching his votes within two posts with little or no explanation

unvote, vote Trustgossp

to bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.

How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.

I’ve already stated my stance on “bandwagoning” This by the way was post #32 (three different votes in less than two pages of discussion)

unvote, vote Trustgossp

to bandwagon a newbie and make him crack.

How's this, just tell us your scumbuddies and I'll let you live.

WHY would you bandwagon a potential townie? I'm not sure I like your tactics

My apologies. That bandwagon was totally unnecessary.

unvote, vote ryan

. FEEEAAR me...

I called him out and he freaked on me? This early in the game? It was post 35 for crying out loud (btw his 4th vote change)

I personally like to see who jumps on and off of wagons on day one.

Plays it safe but feels that Lowell is guilty?

Vote: Ryan

Good post. This guy is town.

What????

That summary of Aimee's makes me weirdly suspcious, but I'm not sure why. M'eh.

A pretty good post by Aimee was met by this by Lowell (after two pages of not posting anything)

@Jordan- Okay, okay, we get it. You're upset that we're trying to lynch your scumbuddy. Sheesh.

Seriously, you're trying to present a "most likely" scenario that doesn't include ryan, just cuz you *wubs* him too much? Does that, like, EVER work?

Ryan today, Jordan tomorrow, celebratory wine and cheese for all after.

Than re-appears again and posts this? Talk about nothing of substance and is hurting us townies more than helping us

Post 126 and 127 were both completely bogus as he jumps off my “bandwagon” (his words) and switches his vote within two posts and than jumps back on me with post 149 because my posts were “Your last few posts have been a bit off,” He’s posted just enough to “look active” but has never really taken a stance on much of anything. That enough proof?

[ryan]

Aimee-Nice of you to check in.

1) A weak argument? Strictly your opinion as I made my case and supported it. Disagree or agree it's still my opinion

2) You use bandwagoning as your strategy and I use "going after lurkers" as mine. Its your choice how you get scum and we might not agree on which strategy to use but at least it's a strategy

If there was something obviously scummy that I've done please point it out to me because the cases that have been thrown at me haven't been very conclusive and even you have to be honest that scum has taken advantage of it to jump on with votes

[ryan]

I still think Lowell is the best bet for his scummish behavior TrustGossip but I can also see your case against Teffc

[ryan]

Would someone mind filling me in regarding the case on Teffc?

Lurking isn't always scummy, and being replaced is an indication that it's not really lurking.

A quick reminder, this is day one in a twelve player game.

Odds are against us lynching scum

, so don't get too fearful of a wagon pushing someone to lynch-2.

But with more conversation we can get a better feel on who to lynch, you seem to be pretty quick to want a lynch all of a sudden, why is that?

[ryan]

Sweenytodd: I've been pretty obvious about my Lowell suspicions for awhile as has Jordan, two townies submitting claims on one person isn't scummy and it isn't a bad thing, it's two people trying to find the scum and obviously coming to some of the same conclusions, nothing more, nothing less. I'll be honest, I think Jordan is town and he hasn't done anything (as of now) that makes me suspicious. Lowell started a bandwagon on me and for others in this thread not to have noticed makes me wonder

[ryan]

I find it interesting that still no one cares to state

the case for Teffc

.

Pro or con?

[ryan]

Or where we say "Nice way to contribute"

[ryan]

Wait a second. You just said you didn't like Albert's post restriction ("because it makes it tough on him and makes him post less") BUT than said "I can't think of why any of us would be post restricted?" Huh???

[ryan]

unvote Fraggle/Teffc

... hi!

Jordan and Ryan, what is involved in your case against Lowell, ignoring a few jokey posts? Have you thought that this is maybe Lowell's playstyle at all?

And what about Fraggle? You understand he can't justify any of Teffc's actions at all, and should be judged - almost - independently from Teffc, although granted, Teffc's actions still have some bearing.

So to conclude - what's your case?

If you choose to call his posts "jokey" thats fine, I posted all my suspicions of Lowell on page 7 (or 6 I believe)

[ryan]

Wait a second. You just said you didn't like Albert's post restriction ("because it makes it tough on him and makes him post less") BUT than said "I can't think of why any of us would be post restricted?" Huh???

but your constant misinterpretation of people's posts is eroding my trust in you

.

I looked at that comment and it looked scummy, so I questioned him on it, that doesn't mean I'm not trustworthy, that at least shows I'm trying to figure out each post instead of just skimming through it

[ryan]

Why is it that when the heat gets turned up on Lowell he throws a couple names out and than disappears? Sweenytodd has been asking you questions Lowell, why don't you answer a few instead of posting a quickie and bailing on the game? If you can't post why you have suspicions why post? Seems like you're throwing out a few names to take the eyes off of you

[ryan]

Sweenytodd: As much as Lowell has jumped from person to person and than been very lurky, I have no problems keeping my vote on him and I'm a little surprised you are giving him a free pass this round

[ryan]

Ha, oops, missed this whole last page.

Fitting post by Jordan just above mine. Hahaha. Really, now, is that it??

Just because you quote a lot doesn't mean you proved anything.

Aimee- my advice, look over the jordan/ryan connection, and let's vote ryan. I'll spare you wordy and useless "proofs"

.

Is this suppose to show the rest of us that you AND Aimee are town and throw suspicion off of you OR are you trying to keep a bandwagon on me so you won't be voted off?

[ryan]

HackerHuck: Where ya been? Haven't seen anything from you in awhile

[ryan]

I disagree that my claims are "incredible" or "spectacular" What part of my argument are you saying is impossible or improbable? I'm not leading a Lowell Bandwagon. I've stated my opinions and my thoughts, and whether you disagree or not, they are my thoughts and at least I'm not just throwing you "Lowell is scum, lynch him" I've put up arguments and whether you agree or disagree at least I'm not just "throwing something against the wall and seeing if it sticks"

[ryan]

[quote="Aimee"]Jordan and Ryan, let's say that for some bizarre reason we decide to follow you two and we vote out Lowell (evidently, we were convinced by your incredible arguments, which amount spectacularly to just "Lowell is scum"). We lynch Lowell.

Oh my my, Lowell turns up town.

Then what would we do?[/

quote]

I would shift my attention to either Primoris or HackerHuck (who I earlier suspected)

[ryan]

I would shift my attention to either Primoris or HackerHuck (who I earlier suspected)

Why?

I had HackerHuck pegged early as a mafia member due to some questionable quotes and the fact that he has lurked alot in this discussion. Primoris the same reasons (I'll go back through and quote the reasons later) But this is the short end of it (till I'm able to put together my ideas/thoughts/quotes) Why are those two so suprising to you?

[ryan]

Sorry to answer other peoples questions but I was thinking of quoting these anyway....

Hackerhuck: Became defensive right away with my random.org vote. Very strange to tell somebody they suck when the vote was RANDOM. I’ve always said that early posts tell a lot about how people play and immediately I saw this as strange how he misconstrued my vote. Than jumps on me because I didn’t like how Lowell bandwagon voted and says I’m not playing it “safe” like I earlier said? How is one vote on somebody not playing it safe? Post 64 asking me what I thought about the “bandwagon on me” also seemed rather odd.

Primoris post #84 saying he doesn’t want me to be sacrificed but is willing to do so to see if my “scum buddies unvote to save me” is strange indeed. Why you would take a chance putting a townie in a lynch? Seems like he took a chance to vote with one of his scum buddies and didn’t really get called out on it

So Ryan... Hackerhuck "became defensive" to your random vote whed he did this?

Vote: Random.org

How's that for OMGUS?

seems like a joke to me....


With regards to this:[quote"Ryan's Point Against Primoris"]Why you would take a chance putting a townie in a lynch?

Primoris is not the only one to put a suspect at lynch -2... I thought I had (though looking at the voint count it was probably L-3) and Aimee was okay with the play. Lynch -2 is fairly safe because if the recipient or the placer of the vote is scum then it would require TWO more scum (or town) to quicklynch the person and I think it may be a bad scum play to pile on a lynch like that... Sure you get a lynch but you also out a buddy or two... Meanwhile it gives us information, people unvoting because they are uncomfortable, people either supporting or not supporting the move.. A lot of information and while there is an element of danger, I think the benefits outweigh the potential costs...[/quote]

You see thats called an opinion. You don't agree with mine and I'm not a fan of sticking somebody that close to a lynch when the (in my opinion) risks outweigh the benefits. (if you have somebody one vote away from being lynched and the mafia hasn't voted, they can very easily jump on and take out the townie) As far as what HH said earlier and whether it was a joke or not, telling somebody they suck without something that makes it obvious "it was a joke" makes me curious and I'm going to stay that way until they give me a reason to fully back them as a townie

[ryan]

Is anyone other than Ryan suspicious of HH? I havent been which makes me curious and I think I'll go back over him myself...

Ooh yeah... Anyone else want to weigh in on the differing opinions (it seems we differ on a lot of ideas = )...) Ryan and I have about L-2?

1. I haven't been suspicious of HH. I went back over his posts and didn't find anything to convince me otherwise...maybe a little pot-stirring, but this is Day 1 and I don't mind that very much. He seems logical and fair-minded...so I still think he's town.

2. You and Ryan do seem to have a bit of a conflict in style. I am not opposed to L-2 this early in a game...I see it almost as a necessary evil in order to acquire information, especially Day 1.

You didn't see him and Lowell starting an early bandwagon together? Seemed they backed eachother very early

[ryan]

Oh our style clashes, but I have no problem seeing another side of an argument and while I don't agree with your side, I certainly have no reason not to listen (or read in this case)

[ryan]

Lowell, if you are still around today please respond to these...

Wait, do I still have someone's random vote on me? Screw this:

unvote, vote OTU. I can OMGUS with the best of them.

What is this all about?

Also Lowell:

Do you believe that something obvious (like a Jordan-Ryan pair) would be likely? IT seems that there are too many connections between them that its unlikely to me...

1) I wanted to get OTU's attention with that vote. Really, this bandwagon is so stupid it makes me crazy. One RANDOM vote (his only post so far this game), followed by ryan and jordan scumteam teaming up to get me to 3 votes. Ridiculous. I want OTU to OWN his vote on me or get lost. People won't realize just how scummy this bandwagon is until the random votes leave.

2) I do find it strange that ryan and jordan would buddy up together so much if they were scum. But really, that's the ultimate in WIFOM (ooh, scum would NEVER be so obvious, so we're not scum). More importantly, I really think they thought I would be a quick, easy lynch and that everyone would rally around killing me, thus making their like-mindedness not so obvious in the midst of a mob. As it is,

they can't get people to vote for me and they're becoming increasinly exposed

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That was just about the dumbest comeback yet Lowell. Seriously, you are saying Jordan and I scum and than when we respond we are NOT you try and get the rest of the game to feel bad for you and come after Jordan and I, pathetic attempt Lowell. Face the facts. You don't like that you've been voted for, (or bandwagoned in your words) yet any argument brought up as to why I've voted you is simply "unacceptable and not possible" Your defense makes it easier and easier for me to keep my vote on you (He voted for me so he's gotta be scum, your basic comeback) and have no problems watching you get nailed for the scum you are. Right now you're are just lucky they are enough lurkers to not vote you off and show that you are scum, period point blank. (Uh oh, I posted after Jordan, we must be the mafia) <-------Insert sarcasm if you missed it

[ryan]

Awww they both responded. How cute.

At least I'm active. Can't say the same for the rest of the game

[ryan]

I have a question I want to make sure I ask you guys...

Ryan and Jordan: If we lynch Lowell today, and he turns out to be innocent, how do you see days 2 and maybe 3 going? What would you do?

Lowell: Same question: If we lynch Ryan or Jordan...and they are innocent...what do you think our approach should be Day 2?

I ask because none of you have convinced me yet, but we seem to be bouncing back and forth between the three of you a lot in these pages. So I just want to hear from you and make sure you have some sort of thought about the future.

ABR or Primoris is my likely vote on Day #2. ABR really isn't helping us when it comes to content (nice songs though, I liked the 2Pac reference)

[ryan]

I didn't say HH wasn't on my list but he's been so inactive I guess I don't really have a feel for him at this moment. ABR and his "poems" or whatever they are called is doing little to help the town at this point and I'd rather see an analysis of some sort. Primoris has been actively lurking which again isn't helpful for the town. What about you Aimee? You've been fairly quiet when it comes to identifying a scum, what say you?

[ryan]

Good one Jordan. Let's look at a date timeline. This past Sunday she put a FoS on you and before that it was May 24th with a post and May 25th an unvote. Are you telling me in the past week she hasn't had anything new to go on? I find her to be a good townie but fairly inactive the past two weeks (look back) I can quote a bunch of pages from awhile ago but I'm asking about her opinion about "now" not the past.

[ryan]

I see no changes wake up in the morning and I ask myself
is life worth living should I blast myself?

...

Who are your top choices right now Rapper ABR?

[ryan]

Either it's a long work day or I'm just not getting it, can somebody explain that rap for me please?

[ryan]

Ok seriously I'm getting frustrated with this reasoning, HOW am I distancing? I've named suspects, I've stuck with my vote, WHAT am I missing?

[ryan]

Fraggle, why can't Jordan finger Ryan?

And Jordan, I'm glad you are having your own thoughts and things. It is good.

I do, however, see it as distancing for the most part.

And also: Jordan are you Rosso Carne in disguise?

That is what my question was about FraggleScum

[ryan]

Glad I'm not the only one who doesn't understand most of ABR's songs

[ryan]

I have some strange feeling towards HH and Primoris. Although I wouldn't feel right calling it suspicion. It's more of a general anxiety about the lack of contribution. I haven't looked at their posting histories, are they genuinely away or lurking?

They're posting elsewhere, so maybe they need

prodding

.

I'd like to know where else I've posted, since you have also accused me of lurking elsewhere

I can't figure out Rampage's songs, but I can read his quotes. Maybe he should be so bold as to tell us whether we should just look at his quotes?

I won't say that I don't see the case on Lowell, but I see his behaviour as stirring the pot and seeing what comes up. It doesn't prove he's not scum, but I really think that Ryan/Jordan are wrong to believe that it proves he's mafia. Ryan's stubbornness in his attack on Lowell is starting to lessen my suspicion of him, but if that's just his nature, it's not a scum or a town tell.

I really didn't like Jordan's defence of Aimee. She should speak for herself. It seems like really obvious distancing, although I could also see him doing this as town.

It's a bit late, so more analysis will have to wait.

Welcome back. I think people are getting a little frustrated as the game has kind of hit a wall right now with not much discussion

[ryan]

WOW, three new players coming in?

[ryan]

Well we know more conversation won't hurt, especially in this thread.

[ryan]

I've been doing my part to keep this thread moving along

[ryan]

Thanks mod. Things have gotten kinda quiet in the thread, good to know some new insights will be coming in

[ryan]

Don't get too excited boys. Finding replacements can take a long time, so let's not just sit on our hands until they show up.

Any new thoughts you'd like to bring to the table?

[ryan]

I think it's up to our current players to discuss the current affairs of the game so the newbies will have something to use a a tool.

[ryan]

Hold on a second there HH, who said you were cleared? You? Are you saying that we shouldn't suspect you at all? Kinda foolhardy for day 1 there my friend. How do I feel on Jordan? I looked back and must have missed your post about him, so I apologize. I think Jordan is a townie. I think that he's tried to find the scum and even though he's been slandered a few times he's been able to still come up with some decent theories and although I've been linked to him as a possible mafia running mate, I am not scum and I am a full time pro town player. As for lurking/inactivity not to be a scum tell I disagree. Scum will try and float under the radar in day 1 posting very unuseful things and trying to stay out of the limelight, kinda like you actually Primoris has done this and has my suspicion. I actually find it funny that you find yourself to be innocent already, guess I'll have to read back thru your esteemed posts and see how innocent you really look

[ryan]

1 replacement down 2 more to go. Welcome to the game Save the Dragons.

[ryan]

2Pac. Me Against the World..............any idea Fraggle what it's trying to tell us though?

[ryan]

[quote="TrustGossip"]From what I've seen of Albert, he is quite fond of "experimental" playstyles. It's kind of irritating because the behavior ends up being anti-town even when he is a townsperson.

I would find it prudent to just not dwell on it too much,

it tends to draw focus away from people that need actual consideration.[/

quote]


Oh I don't disagree with that, but the thing is if he is scum and draws suspicion away from himself than he got exactly what he wanted. The chances of a scum posting something incriminating in a song/lyric are probably pretty little but even if he is a SK, he's not doing anything (unless a restriction which has been mentioned) but posting songs about being against everyone and after he dies will he have found scum (my interpertation of the songs he's posted)

[ryan]

It's odd none-the-less. I'm starting to think it may not be a posting restricion, it'd just be weird to give just 1 person a restriction, and an odd restricion at that. I'm beginning to wonder whether he actually is scum trying to fake a restricion of some sort, I've seen him try unorthodox things when he's scum.

He's been pretty normal in the other games I'm in with him. Could you point me to an example of this?

Here's a game where he claimed mason on Day 1 with NO possible lynch on him

viewtopic.php?t=5420

[ryan]

My fault chaotic, won't happen again.

[ryan]

Oh come on, SweenyTodd. OvertheUnder hasn't posted in a month. I just haven't posted in like a week or something. I've got like 23 more days before I become like him.

(real post is coming once I finish it, it's going to take some time).

I think the concern is, is that you stated you had work but would post and hadn't. We've unfortunately had problems with people promising posts/content and than not coming through.

[ryan]

Wow... I can;t believe it but.... I agree with Ryan.... /gasp...

I think the concern is, is that you stated you had work but would post and hadn't. We've unfortunately had problems with people promising posts/content and than not coming through.

= )

Hey now!!!!

[ryan]

Wow. Not much has happened since I left. Waiting for STD's comment.

Didn't you promise some content in 355?

[ryan]

So nothing in the past 24 hours? Come on guys, any suspicions to add? Possible scum buddies? Anything?

[ryan]

Chaotic: Could we get a vote count?

[ryan]

Hey I appreciate you both posting some content/question probing. The game has hit the wall as far as commenting as gone and it's making it tough to not stray to other games I'm currently in and instead keep my thoughts on this game and who I think to be scum. Sorry I "chill" you Lowell, but as I've been saying, I'm a townie, and the scum is enjoying us going round and round and now with a deadline imposed it's time for us to step up and do a little post reading to find our scum. I've still got my finger on you Lowell but a few others have popped up in my re-re-read, more later.

[ryan]

During my re-read I noticed something, did Jordan go on vacation and I missed his post? He was so active in the game and than kinda vanished

[ryan]

Jordan: You had a pretty clean cut case on Lowell earlier, anything change? Also, HackerHuck, deezr and STD, anything? Deadline is next week and you've all three been pretty quiet. What about the thought that ABR is a SK? SweenyTodd? Lowell, you finally came around saw I wasn't scum but what about Jordan? Fragglescum posed an interesting question in 363, retort?

[ryan]

I still wonder if part of ABR's restriction is he can only post once a page, I'll have to look back through again but I dont seem to recall more than one post per page (or one poem or whatever he's doing)

[ryan]

-He could just be bored...which would make me really frustrated with him later on, if we find that out.
/quote]

Stuck in my cell
The pen ain't nuttin like the county jail
When will they let me bail?

Am I reading into this too much or is ABR fingering Fraggle to be scum and waiting for us to get through the day and to night so he can night kill him?

[ryan]

-He could just be bored...which would make me really frustrated with him later on, if we find that out.
/quote]

Stuck in my cell
The pen ain't nuttin like the county jail
When will they let me bail?

Am I reading into this too much or is ABR fingering Fraggle to be scum and waiting for us to get through the day and to night so he can night kill him?

Whoa...I really hope that's not it. Maybe he was saying that I was right...and he really is bored and just posting that way?

Is it possible that when somebody is lynched than he is able to spill the beans on who one of the mafia is? Who have you voted for so far Fraggle?

[ryan]

Sweenytodd: I'm not saying ABR has to post violent lyrics per say, but I think it's obvious that he has to post some sort of lyric or song as far as posting. I'll have to do some checking but I also noticed ABR seems to be able to post whenever somebody mentions him by name. I don't think he's scummish but he's definetly not a real big help in finding scum right now. Lowell had another scummy confrontations in the beginning for me to keep my vote there for now but Aimee for some reason is also starting to make me wonder if she's scum. A few early game good posts but alot of lurking since. I'll keep my vote where it is for now

[ryan]

Sweenytodd: I agree that Aimee has given us some insight but I still feel the one liners haven't been much to offer and have been more of fillers than content helpers. Lowell is still my #1, than to be honest Aimee or STD. I don't like being promised some content and than not delivered, whenever that happens it always feels like somebody is posting something to get suspicion thrown off of them and than hope that the game forgets. ABR's content has been.......well "Different" to say the least (lol) I'm no sure I'm board with going after him but the SK theory has been thrown out (by myself as well) but I suppose he could be mafia and doing it to throw off suspicion (I mean look back through the thread, alot has been made of his lyrics) Unfortunately playing enough games with Albie he can annoying as hell and could have just imposed the restriction on himself to mess with us (that would be very ABR like)

[ryan]

FraggleScum: Agreed on some content from those 4, especially STD who promised content when he replaced and we haven't really seen anything since. HackerHuck seemed to drop some town like tendencies early and I thought was beneficial to the game but than kind of fell off and has been quiet (still posting in other forums on the board I saw, so I know he's around) TrustGossip started out well and than kind of flamed out too. Getting 7 to agree in a short period of time (I realize 7 days away but still we've been plodding along for awhile now) is going to be difficult and I think a no-lynch will be a bad town move for Day 1.

[ryan]

STD: Very nice analysis. I do notice not much brought up about ABR and his "lyrics" any thoughts on that? I think the Jordan argument is a compelling one and I hadn't really noticed him trying to tag along to keep himself out of the limelight and knowing that I am a townie I should have been more aware of somebody coming along for the ride BUT with Jordan it looked like he was making compelling arguments. HH all of a sudden ready to present his case is interesting as he's been on me the entire game with not much of anything and yet nobody but you seemed to pick up on that.

The deadline looming with our replacements not in sight does make me a little nervous, we are still 6 days away with time to spare, and I still feel confident we can get some newbies in here and give them time to catch up so to speak.

[ryan]

Assuming the traditional three man mafia group, it's

very

unlikely that we'll be able to lynch without their assistance.

But isn't it possible too HH that the inactives are mafia? You seem to be assuming that the mafia is being active in the game currently, OR maybe you

know

they are being active?

[ryan]

Actually Jordan, STD's post stated these at the end

My post contains multiple allusions to a ryan-jordan scumpair. Those are jokes as well. In fact, you should probably assume everything I've said up until now was just for the hell of it.

[ryan]

Unvote: STD, Vote: Jordan

That FOS will turn into a vote once more people check in, but -1 is so harsh without hearing from everyone first...

SweenyTodd: Are you voting for Jordan or putting a FoS on him? You said your FoS would turn into a vote but yet you voted, was that a mistake?

[ryan]

unvote

I still didn't like the way you played early Lowell but I'm beginning to think you are more of a town player than what I saw earlier. Jordan seems to be back peddling quite a bit BUT I suppose if I had 5 votes on me right now I'd be back peddling a little bit too. I'm going to stay with an unvote until at least tonight and see if we get any new from HackerHuck or Aimee (TrustGossip and Primoris it would be helpful to hear from you two as well) I'm leaning toward a Jordan vote but Primoris and Lowell still have my attention

[ryan]

unvote

I still didn't like the way you played early Lowell but I'm beginning to think you are more of a town player than what I saw earlier. Jordan seems to be back peddling quite a bit BUT I suppose if I had 5 votes on me right now I'd be back peddling a little bit too. I'm going to stay with an unvote until at least tonight and see if we get any new from HackerHuck or Aimee (TrustGossip and Primoris it would be helpful to hear from you two as well) I'm leaning toward a Jordan vote but Primoris and Lowell still have my attention

I think Primoris requested replacement a long time ago, we just haven't gotten one yet...

OH, I thought he was just being prodded, my bad.

[ryan]

Vote Jordan

You just seem so defensive the past few pages when people started accusing you of being scum and instead of defending why you weren't, you made it easier by saying you guaranteed that Lowell was scum and while I thought earlier he was, he's been acting pro town, you my friend have not.

[ryan]

unvote

In light of the latest claim I will unvote as I believe (I think) that Jordan is at -1, and don't want to see him get quick lynched

[ryan]

TrustGossip, Save The Dragons and Sweenytodd. Are you three still comfortable with your votes? Has Jordan lied or told the truth to save his butt? The lack of discussion today (after the claim) is a little strange as Jordan is -2 right now and a deadline is looming

[ryan]

Vote Jordan

I just don't see enough of an argument not to keep my vote on somebody I felt was scummy earlier and even after the claim the defense wasn't that compelling, this puts him at -1 so proceed with caution if you feel the need but I think we have one of our scum right here

[ryan]

TrustGossip: If you want to give me some grief for my posting, feel free, that's fair. I didn't realize that SweenyTodd had a patent on asking questions in mafia of other players, I shall make sure that I reimburse him any royalties he is owed. Asking questions is how you get answers in mafia TG, go look at any other game I'm involved in. I ask questions of players, I ask for observations, I ask for content and I'm glad to see you finally got the whole "content portion of the game" we appreciate it. I post opinions, I give thoughts and am not afraid to admit being wrong or to go after players I think are scum. Fair enough?

[ryan]

SweenyTodd: You actually mentioned the reasons I was torn with a vote/unvote on Jordan. As far as a roleblocker, I've never played in a game where the role blocker has been a townie and the more I thought about it the more I felt as though he was anti-town and I was going to stick with my initial vote. I'm not saying that Jordan couldn't be telling the truth but my gut was telling me that he was scum, and so I revoted him. Normally (which doesn't mean it has to be the case here) when somebody posts a role that person normally has a good argument against somebody else, while Jordan seemed to say "Well I'm a role, I'm pro town, you can't lynch me" and that was it. I'd like to see a pro town move by him, which would be, give up his role and than go find a scum. I'm not seeing that by Jordan, which is making me feel he is scum

[ryan]

TrustGossip eh? Anything to back that up? I don't remember you FoSing him during the game and I'm interested in your thoughts. (if I'm wrong about the FoS I apologize, but looking back I didn't see it) And what about the Jordan case. You mention that most roleblockers are scum and than you mention something about the claim outing a power role. Can you explain that?

[ryan]

Considering the case you've made on Lowell, I'm not very confident in your usefullness to us.

You will be proved sadly mistaken than my friend

[ryan]

Considering the case you've made on Lowell, I'm not very confident in your usefullness to us.

You will be proved sadly mistaken than my friend

Your case on Lowell is no better.

Thats your opinion HackerHuck, we'll see what happens after the deadline hits.

[ryan]

I think the one thing that is missing is having more posts doesnt mean you are adding more to the game. You can post as much information as you want and still not give us any content. I've always said if you unvote somebody you better have a few suspicions, or you are basically just voting to look active. I'd like to hear more from Fraggle and Aimee when it comes to who they think is the one deserving of a vote right now

[ryan]

Welcome Dusk. Enjoy the 19 page catchup

[ryan]

STD, Dusk, and Trust.

If the mod doesn't extend the deadline, we'll need your thoughts on Fraggle NOW.

I still have this nagging suspicion scum are trying to run out the clock.

mod

, I too request an extension, if that matters. I think it's fair to say discussion has picked up of late.

We just got a replacement in, we have Primoris who I believe is being replaced (or prodded?) I can't remember now. And we have a claim that we still aren't 100% sure if it's true or not and now a wagon has hitched itself up to FraggleScum. I think things are picking up and an extension I believe is warranted.

[ryan]

OH NO! Not more post lyrics!!!!

[ryan]

Actually Jordan you bring up two things that first came to mind when I read your post. #1 He is trying to stop the bandwagon on him or #2 He has a new post restriction. The only question I would have is why (if) did he have to start posting that way now? I really am wondering if one is town with a restriction and the scum decided to try and copy the posting to keep suspicion off of him. Fraggle is climbing my scum ladder rapidly the past few days. I still am having problems believing your claim Jordan, but it's starting to look like you might be telling the truth. What do you think about Hackerhuck and Trustgossip?

[ryan]

Well the question is this than Jordan. If you are town, I'm town, HH is town, TG is town, who are the scum? I know you've had a case on Lowell (as have I) but for some reason I'm not feeling the same scumminess as I did earlier. Who's the mafia crew?

[ryan]

I think the question now is ABR going to be able to actually post OR will the post restriction be imposed on Fraggle AND ABR. I can tell you this, if Fraggle posted the song lyric as a joke he basically set himself up to have to do it from now on. I'm going to give him a chance (Fraggle that is) to explain the post and if he doesn't, I've got no problem placing a vote on him before I leave on vacation.

[ryan]

#1 He is trying to stop the bandwagon on him or

#2 He has a new post restriction.

I've been movin these things since the days of elementary
Now tell me what you need when you see me
I'm stackin G's, buyin all the things on TV, believe me
I got some killers on my payroll, and they know
When it's time to handle business, you gotta lay low

So ABR, a vote for Fraggle gives the town a better chance to win?

[ryan]

ABR: Fraggle is saying that Sweenytodd and STD are the only ones he sees as trustworthy right now, do you agree? Why should we lynch Fraggle? The one thing I find strange is that ABR has been posting lyrics all game and than all of a sudden Fraggle starts, anybody have any thoughts on why?

[ryan]

But he could be trying to stop the bandwagon ABR because he's a townie with a power role as well, true?

[ryan]

ABR has made a point of showing evidence on Fraggle lately, I'm not sure why but he has used his lyrics to point the FoS that way. Now with Fraggle into the lyrics posting, I'm not sure who to lsiten to. Since I'm going to be gone (in about an hour) I'm going to keep my vote and hope that this deadline is extended to give us more time to communicate.

[ryan]

Sorry guys. GO TOWN!!!!!

[ryan]

LOL! I had been following along since ABR killed me Night 1 (thanks by the way) so I knew replacing in was going to be a basic suicide mission (oh well) So does this count as a win and a loss for me than?