Mini 442 - Beast Wars Mafia Game Over

[HackerHuck]

Vote: Random.org

How's that for OMGUS?

[HackerHuck]

Statistics show that random.org has a less than 33% success rate at finding scum.

[HackerHuck]

Unvote

Hey mod, how about a vote count?

[HackerHuck]

I personally like to see who jumps on and off of wagons on day one.

Plays it safe but feels that Lowell is guilty?

Vote: Ryan

[HackerHuck]

I personally like to see who jumps on and off of wagons on day one.

Plays it safe but feels that Lowell is guilty?

Vote: Ryan

Good post. This guy is town.

I'm always town.

[HackerHuck]

I personally like to see who jumps on and off of wagons on day one.

Plays it safe but feels that Lowell is guilty?

Vote: Ryan

Good post. This guy is town.

I'm always town.

Why the bold statement, HackerHuck? Seems to me you are trying to get someone's attention with that. Is there any particular reason for it? Being immune to investigations sounds like a good reason for saying it.

You're reading a bit much into this. I would actually prefer that any investigative role not target me. We're better off finding scum than confirming townies.

@ Lowell
HH suspects you and all you can reply is

Good post. This guy is town.

I suspect Lowell?

[HackerHuck]

Mod

Please confirm the vote count. I count four names on ryan and only three votes tallied.

what if he is the type of scum that the cop can't find guilty when investigating and that's why he says he's town?

If you really believe that's the case, then it's all the more reason not to waste an investigation on me.

[HackerHuck]

You seem pretty hot to trot to lynch my Hackerhuck........what's the rush?

No rush, but I wanted to make sure that the vote count wasn't indicating something special like a vote that doesn't count in the tally.

Why do you think the wagon on you has gained so much ground?

[HackerHuck]

Yep, I'm keeping my vote open until I really believe someone's scum.

You won't get a guilty result today, so what are you waiting on?

[HackerHuck]

@HH i don't know whether you're playing it tough because you are linked to the town or because you want to hide something and keep our eyes away from you. I'm very suspicious of you because you aren't denying anything nor explaining too much about the way you act.

What is there to deny or explain? I'm just hunting scum.

[HackerHuck]

^^ :goodposting: ^^

A couple of clarifications...

I am always town, so take that as you may.

I was not implying that Jordan is a cop. I meant that he will not get a cop to claim someone as scum on D1. Two reasons - obviously there was no investigation on N0, and no cop in his (or her) right mind would out themselves on D1 even if they did get a guilty.

I'm curious why there is so much speculation regarding Mr. Rampage's poetry. What benefit to the town is it if we know he's got a restriction? I'd prefer that he answer the more important question of why he was suspicious of Lowell and Teffc.

[HackerHuck]

Jordan, please try and include names in your quotes. I'm not sure who said what you posted above.

[HackerHuck]

I suggest everyone who's voting Ryan unvote him and put it somewhere decent, he clearly isn't the best lynch for today.

Why?

[HackerHuck]

So we're down to Teffc and Ripley as "needing to vote"

Why are you so eager for them to vote? Your behaviour has turned rather aggressive.

[HackerHuck]

Aren't we just barely starting this game? I don't understand all the commotion regarding the two replacements. This seems like a smokescreen to me...

[HackerHuck]

We can sit around singing Kumbaya and holding hands until someone slips up and admits to being scum, or we can start putting pressure on people and see what comes of it.

[HackerHuck]

Would someone mind filling me in regarding the case on Teffc?

Lurking isn't always scummy, and being replaced is an indication that it's not really lurking.

A quick reminder, this is day one in a twelve player game. Odds are against us lynching scum, so don't get too fearful of a wagon pushing someone to lynch-2.

[HackerHuck]

This is a transformers game?

Once again Ryan has misinterpreted a post. I am not suddenly lynch-happy. I was merely pointing out that lynch-2 is nto nearly as dangerous as people are stating.

I find it interesting that still no one cares to state the case for Teffc.

[HackerHuck]

FraggleScum (teffc) has three votes and I don't understand why. More than a few people were whining about the replacement, so there's obviously some serious interest in a lynch. This is what I got from the last four pages, so I'd rather that people just explain their votes.

vote: Teffc

She hasn't come on to defend herself, and I see her as the most scummy so far.

unvote, vote teffc

. I have no idea what the case is against him, but other people seem to like it, so I'm there!

It's in my best interest to oppose a possible quick lynch of ryan, only because I see teffc's behavior as a greater evil.

Lowell is scum, no two ways about it, his posts have been scummy all the way. Teffc isn't far behind for obvious reasons.

[HackerHuck]

Right, here's what I think:

Scum: Lowell
FraggleScum

WHY?

[HackerHuck]

unvote Fraggle/Teffc

... hi!

Jordan and Ryan, what is involved in your case against Lowell, ignoring a few jokey posts? Have you thought that this is maybe Lowell's playstyle at all?

And what about Fraggle? You understand he can't justify any of Teffc's actions at all, and should be judged - almost - independently from Teffc, although granted, Teffc's actions still have some bearing.

So to conclude - what's your case?

Just look back through mine and Lowells posts and you'll find all the evidence you need to see him as scum.

As for Fraggle, what do you mean he should be judged independently from Teffc? They're the same player, Teffc couldn't handle the scum role, why should we ignore this when judging Fraggle?

Are you simply incapable of summarizing and presenting your cases against Lowell and Teffc?

[HackerHuck]

unvote Fraggle/Teffc

... hi!

Jordan and Ryan, what is involved in your case against Lowell, ignoring a few jokey posts? Have you thought that this is maybe Lowell's playstyle at all?

And what about Fraggle? You understand he can't justify any of Teffc's actions at all, and should be judged - almost - independently from Teffc, although granted, Teffc's actions still have some bearing.

So to conclude - what's your case?

Just look back through mine and Lowells posts and you'll find all the evidence you need to see him as scum.

As for Fraggle, what do you mean he should be judged independently from Teffc? They're the same player, Teffc couldn't handle the scum role, why should we ignore this when judging Fraggle?

Are you simply incapable of summarizing and presenting your cases against Lowell and Teffc?

No, I'd just be repeating myself if I did summarize.

How is it repeating yourself when you never made a case to begin with?

Since you seem to have forgotten why you think Teffc is scum, try using the view all posts by user function at the bottom of the page. If that doesn't jar your memory, you might want to at least make something up.

Targeting lurkers/inactives on day one is a copout and a hallmark of opportunistic scum. Replacing an inactive is generally good, since inactivity

is not

a scum tell.

[HackerHuck]

Since I didn't know why you found Teffc suspicious, the second part of my post was mostly directed at TrustGossip. See his post directly above mine.

[HackerHuck]

Sorry for my absence. Computer problems for the last few days...

It looks like I've got a lot of posts to read through, but I'll get through them all by this evening and put together my thoughts.

[HackerHuck]

I have some strange feeling towards HH and Primoris. Although I wouldn't feel right calling it suspicion. It's more of a general anxiety about the lack of contribution. I haven't looked at their posting histories, are they genuinely away or lurking?

They're posting elsewhere, so maybe they need

prodding

.

I'd like to know where else I've posted, since you have also accused me of lurking elsewhere.

I can't figure out Rampage's songs, but I can read his quotes. Maybe he should be so bold as to tell us whether we should just look at his quotes?

I won't say that I don't see the case on Lowell, but I see his behaviour as stirring the pot and seeing what comes up. It doesn't prove he's not scum, but I really think that Ryan/Jordan are wrong to believe that it proves he's mafia. Ryan's stubbornness in his attack on Lowell is starting to lessen my suspicion of him, but if that's just his nature, it's not a scum or a town tell.

I really didn't like Jordan's defence of Aimee. She should speak for herself. It seems like really obvious distancing, although I could also see him doing this as town.

It's a bit late, so more analysis will have to wait.

[HackerHuck]

Don't get too excited boys. Finding replacements can take a long time, so let's not just sit on our hands until they show up.

[HackerHuck]

Don't get too excited boys. Finding replacements can take a long time, so let's not just sit on our hands until they show up.

Any new thoughts you'd like to bring to the table?

Did you not notice that I made the most recent game related post? Perhaps instead of asking others to comment, you could respond to what I said. How do you feel about Jordan? Aimee commented on his behaviour and I have as well. Should I take your silence regarding him to mean something?

Since you seem to be basing much of your case on me against my first post, maybe I should clarify it for you...
OMGUS Vote - in common mafia usage, it means voting for someone who voted for you (random.org in this case). It's not quite so literal as saying that someone sucks.

Now that I'm cleared, what's your case on Primoris? PS - lurking/inactivity is not a scum tell.

[HackerHuck]

It's odd none-the-less. I'm starting to think it may not be a posting restricion, it'd just be weird to give just 1 person a restriction, and an odd restricion at that. I'm beginning to wonder whether he actually is scum trying to fake a restricion of some sort, I've seen him try unorthodox things when he's scum.

He's been pretty normal in the other games I'm in with him. Could you point me to an example of this?

[HackerHuck]

I don't know that I would categorise that claim as an "unothodox" play and at this point in the game, it's somewhat silly to be trying to identify a possible SK.

IMHO, it doesn't really matter if Albert is trying some new strategy or not. He's definitely not a good play for today. I'll be challenging him more on day three or four if he's still alive.

[HackerHuck]

HackerHuck seemed to drop some town like tendencies early and I thought was beneficial to the game but than kind of fell off and has been quiet (still posting in other forums on the board I saw, so I know he's around)

Wow, are you thinking of a different game? You've been targeting me (behind lowell) since day one. Care to explain the sudden turnaround?

I got an uneasy feeling about this part of Sweeneytodd's post...

Ryan: Just to make sure I read your post correctly, your top suspects atm are Lowell and Aimee?

Now it looks like I've got to see what STD said.

Mod:

I appreciate the deadline, since it's certainly got this game back on track. My only concern with the deadline rules is based on the fact that we're still looking for two replacements. That means we need to get seven of nine players voting for the same person to achieve a lynch (7 of 10 if we vote for an inactive).

[HackerHuck]

I've been thinking about this a bit more. I don't think we should vote for a no-lynch, but it's not a bad play for today if we don't have a solid suspect.

Assuming the traditional three man mafia group, it's

very

unlikely that we'll be able to lynch without their assistance. That means we better have a decent case on someone (so the scum would want to vote and appear to distance), rather than just lynch someone because we just don't want a no-lynch.

Anyway, unless our replacement situation changes, we should just play it like a normal day and not worry about it too much if we get to deadline without a consensus. We'll at least have better information than if everyone ends up lynching a townie tonight.

@STD - I guess you're right that I've been pretty focused on Ryan. I should be able to put together a list.

[HackerHuck]

^^Good claim^^
Can't be easily proven and it's not indicatave of your alignment.

Oh, and a little FYI, just because someone presented a very clear and damning case against you (STD) doesn't mean that your mockery of quotes and longwindedness is going to help you at this point.

This seems like you're trying a little too hard to appear pro-town. STD made a good case, but 'clear and damning' is a bit much.

For most of the game, it seems that you've been playing it safe, continually bringing things back to the "lurkers" and qualifying your accustations.

[HackerHuck]

Jordan has used Wikipedia to read up on Beast Wars. I have not. I am currently wondering at what level of interpretation to use for this discrepancy in behaviors.

1. I am a dumbass, everyone should go to Wikipedia and read everything about the theme of which their game is based upon.

No, that's not it. I am obviously not a dumbass.

It's not a bad idea to do this if you're unfamiliar with a theme. I've done this in all my theme games, since it's likely the mod and/or other players will use it as a reference

My first thought when I checked out his claim, was that he was pretty ballsy to be picking a Decepticon or whatever they're now called to be his role. The initial post does clarify that the two sides have called a truce and are working together to get rid of the aliens. Having the aliens as the enemy versus the bad guys from the TV show keeps the game from getting ruined by an early mass-claim and it's still possible that the scum were given safe claims.

2. HH says that this is a convenient scum claim (it is) and then pulls a "too-townie" argument at me from nowhere. Then says I have been playing it safe (what?).

Good choice of words. I picked up on your post, because it seemed to come from nowhere. Most of the game you were commenting on minor suspicions and qualifying all of your accusations. The post I quoted seemed very out of character and when I looked back through all of your posts, it was even more obvious.

You have also mischaracterised my attack. Too-townie is when you act so consistently pro-town that it cannot possibly be true. I don't feel like you've been acting too townie this game. I just feel like you switched from being pretty passive in your tone to being quite forcefull, once Jordan was close to being lynched. When I reread your posts, I even found your original vote on Jordan to be pretty weird. Follow this trail, starting with Post 220...

...Long list of

suspicions

observations...

I'm simply providing my opinion of people at this point in the game. People's most recent and most prominent actions weigh the heaviest (meaning that people who do more things tend to have a positive bias on this list). Please try not to use this list as a basis for voting.

I'm actually discouraging voting because I feel there's a great deal of information missing because of the two inactives (three if you count Fraggle, four if you count Primoris).

Sorry for lack of quote evidence, but I did not want to create a behemoth, and I am also somewhat lazy.

Jordan, honestly my list is near logarithmic, Lowell and Primoris are much more suspect than you. Although the answer to Sweenytodd's question would help us greatly. I agree that Lowell's almost certain OMGUS of Albert is incredibly stupid for someone who is already on the chopping block. But I will wait until Tuesday.

*bump*

Why isn't Lowell dead yet?

*bump*

...quote from Lowell...

However, Lowell's lucidity is making him increasingly less suspcious, while Jordan's lynch happy tactics make me decidedly

unhappy

.

Unvote: Vote JordanA24
IGMEOY: Lowell

Jordan does actually present his case on Lowell in there, but you didn't seem to care about that. You seemed to move to a vote pretty quickly given your previous history. Then after STD makes his case - reasonable, but no smoking gun - you kiss up to him and tell Jordan that he's been pretty much caught red-handed.

[HackerHuck]

In reference to Ryan...

TrustGossip, Save The Dragons and Sweenytodd. Are you three still comfortable with your votes?

No I am not comfortable with my vote, I am torn between wanting to believe him and the convenience of a role blocker. The problem I have with a role-blocker claim is that it appears as often for the scum as for the town. Another problem I have with it is that it is difficult to test without outing another role (no I am NOT suggesting that)... It can be mistaken for a no-kill, doc-protect, scum NK of the target or any number of scenarios where it is difficult to see if a role was in fact roleblocked... That being said, There is the possibility of proving it down the road and I don't like lynching a claimed power-role unless forced to...

Roleblockers are much more common as scum than as town. I've been a town roleblocker before and it's a tough job that can often hurt the town more than help. Assuming common mini roles (SK, Vig, Doc, Cop), if you're successful in blocking someone you're more likely to block a townie than scum. It's also possible that Jordan's claim may have been intended to get a power role outed in the future.

In light of the claim I also have some questions... Since the claim, Hackerhuck, Aimee, Lowell, Fraggle, Trust, and STD have all posted in regards to the claim without moving their vote. What I take from this is that either they don't buy the claim or don't want to lose a lynch before deadline...

I didn't move my vote because I'm voting for Ryan, although TrustGossip is tempting and now I'm thinking Jordan still wouldn't be a horrible lynch today either.

[HackerHuck]

Ryan, take a look at my last couple of posts...

Roleblockers are much more common as scum than as town. I've been a town roleblocker before and it's a tough job that can often hurt the town more than help. Assuming common mini roles (SK, Vig, Doc, Cop), if you're successful in blocking someone you're more likely to block a townie than scum. It's also possible that Jordan's claim may have been intended to get a power role outed in the future.

If I was aiming to that, I'd have said I was a cop or doc. As you said, roleblocker could well hurt the town more than helping it, which is why, if I survive, I'm only going to block when I'm pretty certain someone is scum.

Also, SK protown?

Considering the case you've made on Lowell, I'm not very confident in your usefullness to us.

Claiming cop or doc would only out that particular power role and it would also get you lynched. Trading one for one usually helps the town more than scum, which is why you rarely see fake counterclaims. By claiming roleblocker, a power role must out himself to confirm your ability - either a power role claiming to have been blocked or by a doc stating that they did not prevent the kill.

SK is not protown, but it is a common mini role with a night action. Three of five common night actions are pro-town - i.e. more likely block townie than scum.

[HackerHuck]

Considering the case you've made on Lowell, I'm not very confident in your usefullness to us.

You will be proved sadly mistaken than my friend

Your case on Lowell is no better.

[HackerHuck]

Oh, Fraggle! I know you must be aching. How could you suggest that Jordan claimed a villian as reason for his Guilt, and forget that you are indeed a regualr villian on this show, too?

Well what does everyone think of this predicament?

Good Catch Dusk, that's certainly enough for me.

Right, you've forced me to claim.

I'm Scorponok, a pro-town roleblocker, every night, my cyber-bees can prevent somebody from using their night action.

I can't say for sure how the mod set things up...but given that this game does have a theme, and some flavor for the roles, Jordan's claim doesn't make sense to me.

It may be nothing..or it may be he made a mistake. Scorponok, in the cartoons, is a bad guy...he is actually second-in-command for the Decepticons (bad guys) in Beast Wars.

My vote stays for now.

Unvote
Vote: FraggleScum

[HackerHuck]

Oh, should I be roleblocking anyone tonight?

Use your best judgement, but remember that you could be blocking a cop or a doc.