Mini 437 - Hacker Mafia - Game Over

[Albert B. Rampage]

Random vote: Occult

[Albert B. Rampage]

He probably tried to hack into my account then =P

[Albert B. Rampage]

Is that supposed to mean your not a cop ? ^^

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nice, 5 people online at the same time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Be careful, any more than 3 votes on someone this early, and it will become extremely suspicious for the people on that bandwagon..

[Albert B. Rampage]

A rational town is a good town. As for net, he's marked for FoS.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I simply find it scummy for him to unvote immediately after I mentioned:

Be careful, any more than 3 votes on someone this early, and it will become extremely suspicious for the people on that bandwagon..

As if to remove himself from a magical scummylist lol.

I don't think Occult and netixriqua are connected tough, else the latter wouldn't have FoS'd him so early. Either one of them are scum, or they both towns.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What is your native language net?

i would prefer NOT to give out my country's name because of the political crisis on the outrage (guess thats how you say it) even if you guess my country's name please keep it to yourself

I am half iranian, half vietnamese, this is my real name and my display picture is my real picture ("cartooned" for the purposes of this game)

Bring it on, haters

[Albert B. Rampage]

Your last name is rampage? That's badass if its true.

Yes, although it was changed from something else due to political tensions and the revolution back in 1979. lol I realize this makes me look even cooler (more dangerous maybe ?) but free info lol. Okay let's close this topic and get on with the game so the history doesn't get jammed with this sort of stuff.

you can still keep me in the scummylist for my hypr behaviour if you feel a NEED to keep me there..
the reason why i withthrawed my vote was that... hold on a damn second i dont need to explain this! i was the first guy to randomly vote for vandamien that makes the second voter the sucpisious guy but he did that with the dice rolling addon. you know where i am going with this

Sounds like somebody is excited about being mafia at his first game =P

[Albert B. Rampage]

Quit whining, there isn't a case on you. If your a townie, just don't provoke any more controversy, and you will naturally survive until the server is fully operational again.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Survive the blocks, that is. We're on our own when the server goes offline :S

[Albert B. Rampage]

You mean a doctor ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Netixriqua
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NetixRiqua is a whiny l3 year old kid who likes to write a lot of crap and pretends like he's hypr.

Lmao, Occult, is that you ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sorry forgot to link:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Netixriqua

lol I didn't write this >.>

[Albert B. Rampage]

i meant i wrote it and i assume you have a connexion with occult

Oh, I thought that Occult or someone else was making fun of you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hmm...damn, I leave for 3 hours come back and there are like 2 full pages of new posts.

Things I noticed:

Net is overreacting a bit too much, and as someone else said, an "excited noob". From experience, the new players that are happy to play are either a. Really desparate and cant find anything else to do on the internet, or b. Power roles that want to use them.

I have an urge to say its b, but im not sure if its a scum role or a town power role that he could be.

After preview: Net, are you saying that you are watching over us? From the way I take it, your a doctor, and you just blew your cover, screwing the rest of us over.

Something else, Albert seems very urged to go and get votes against net, which from net's slip up makes me think that he is a scum going against known townies (in this case, the doctor)

Unvote, Vote:Albert B. Rampage

Your argument is coming from a logical standpoint, and I respect that. However allow me to defend myself:

1. I have FoS'd net long before his slip. Just check history.

2. I never voted against net; in fact, I even suggested that he and Occult aren't both mafia because of net's prompt reflex accusation against Occult (just check the times of posting). He would've thought twice about this strategy if they were scumbuddies; especially since he's a newbie.

3. I think that voting for me, while not an unreasonable action given the circumstances, is a mistake. I firmly believe I will be useful if I stay connected to the server.

With this, I will lay low for the next couple of hours.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I originally just took it as a random accusations to start the game. But here Net has gone and practially told us he is a Doctor from my best guess, and you still are going after him.

Basing your accusation on that sole argument justifies my vote for you

Unvote, vote: Nocmen

because its PAINFULLY clear that he wasn't referring to himself as doctor. This is not his first slip either, you have no reason to believe he meant that.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Perhaps you mean a doubtful village ?

Definition: Paranoia is an excessive anxiety or fear concerning one's own well-being which is considered irrational and excessive

[Albert B. Rampage]

This "slip-up" is ridiculous. I think Net's eager noob play is losing credibility by the minute.

Oh, and I feel like slapping a big fat

FoS

on

Occult

for calling out lurkers 2 hours after the game started. Eager to direct attention somewhere, or just full of bollocks?

Yes I agree. First net with his string of slips, now Occult.

I don't know what to make of this. The meanings and interpretations vary, the verbatims are too ambiguous and we are running in circles.

I will remove my vote, Nocmen, if you do the same. Let's look back at the posts so far, sum up the main events so far and discuss what course of action to take next...okay dude ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

"I see no reason to remove my vote right now"

You based your vote on a misinterpretation, and your too proud to admit a mistake ?

"And how would our votes staying on each other prevent discussion of what to do next?"

Me asking you to remove your vote is discussion, isn't it ? ^^

[Albert B. Rampage]

I will admit I have made mistakes, and no I am not afraid to admit them. The fact that net did turn up Doctor and you had gone after him both before and after his "slip-up" makes me feel that you wanted him dead.

Hmm you were right. Sorry.

I still wouldn't have voted for him tough.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And now after two days, after airing my suspicions that Nocmen and Albert may have been cross voting scum, Albert hasn't posted here while he has been on the site. Caught red handed?

Vote: Albert B. Rampage

That's madness, I have 5 games going on. Nocmen must be my primary suspect at this point, with VanDamien obviously being his scum mate. There is maybe a third one out there, or a SK. Maybe the one who hasn't posted, darhken.

Maybe the mafia has a handicap too, if darhken is one of the mafia; in that case the doctor's death didn't put us at

complete

disadvantage.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have a question for VanDamien, that would perhaps alleviate my suspicions:

If I were to be lynched or nightkilled, would you push for a Nocmen vote or would you drop your case completely ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Regarding the question above, I meant if I was killed and proved innocent, that is

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let me repeat the question. If I were to be innocent, would you drop the case on Nocmen ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let me repeat the question. If I were to be innocent, would you drop the case on Nocmen ?

as I read it he has answered this question. he said he would drop his suspicions if you turned up innocent.

Then am I the only one to see the subtlety of this maneuver ?

He blames both Nocmen and me on being cross-voting mafia, then pushes for me with whatever excuse, and then when and if I turn up dead, Nocmen is completely free of suspicion. He saves his scum mate with no casualties, and they are free to continue their "rampage" 8)

Is that link possible or am I thinking too hard ??

[Albert B. Rampage]

How is that WIFOM ?

The two possibilities if I'm right are that:

1. What I explained earlier

2. Nobody takes him seriously, and nobody votes for me or his scum mate

Remember that he's coming from a safe position, with every excuse to be able to play the misguided townie in future turns.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sorry for this long post, I'm just answering some questions DYH has raised.

Here's the real question, though: What would you have said if he wasn't going to drop the case on Nocmen if you come up innocent?

The subtlety of the maneuver may have been in the lose-lose question you presented to him. Of course, it all began with a pretty baseless paranoid theory about you and Nocment being cross-voting mafiates.

Your right. The paranoia about us be cross-voting mafia is exaggeration.

To adress your question tough, I would have gave him my utter and complete trust if he would have continued to say he would vote for Nocmen after my confirmed innocence.

Because then he would have to admit that he was wrong about his cross-voting theory, and make concessions that I was right about Nocmen.

Yes there was a subtlety in my question, because if he replied he wouldn't follow the case on Nocmen, I would suspect him even more. If he said he

WOULD

, then he would be forced to do so unless he breaks his word and become a liar, which would hopefully get him lynched.

So the choices I give him are far simpler:

A) If he says yes, he can keep suspecting me, but when I turn innocent he must vote his probable scum mate Nocmen.

B) He keeps suspecting me, but refuses to vote Nocmen, even if and when I turn up innocent, which is a tell that he is himself a scum.

C) He drops his theory of us being cross-voting scumbuddies.


DISCLAIMER: Advancing the scummyness of both Nocmen and VD is just speculation of my part. However, these individuals are the most suspicious to me so far and I've presented my thoughts on the situation. I will analyze the issue about Darkhen shortly.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Granted, I could be wrong. In fact, in all likelihood I am. But then again, maybe not. Who knows at this point?

WOW that's your defense ?

You are trying to simplify a difficult answer to yes or no, so you can twist it in the future. You have no interest in my thoughts, you want propaganda to use.

There, there, your overreacting. Please don't kill me tonight, ok ?

I'll keep suspecting you, choose whether I vote for Nocmen based on the information available at the time, which if nothing changes, would be next, and no longer need my theory for now: You're scum regardless.

You "no longer need your theory for now"...a Freudian slip ? That means that you wanted me down from the get-go like I had initially stated, now doesn't it ?

This is only further evidence for my case on you. The more you say, friend, the more
your file gets thicker. Thank you for making our job easier.

FoS VanDamien

if it isn't clear enough LOL

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wow alot has happened...

I know its already been said but WTF blahgo? With that I'll say blahgo's claim isn't as scummy as it is stupid. If he was town attempting to start discussion, he failed. If he was scum trying to throw a curveball, he failed. I don't see anyreason for that play except for this, blahgo may be a jester. Also, WhoMe strikes me as using jester tactics. This is just my speculation, though.

Next, VD.
This post is much better, though it's not the best worded i've read. I see your point on Rampage's re-entering right after the post and his post, instead of answering questions, attacks VD by selectively quoting. What I don't like about your post is you saying you are most likely wrong.

Actually Occult, I found his post empty of any real content besides "echoing" other's posts and repeating what he's already claimed in a rather harsh manner.

His re-entering argument might be the only logical thing he's said until now.

And about that, as I said, I am in 5 other games, you guys are free to verify. Two of them started at the same time I was "seen online without posting". I was constantly refreshing the thread, and then logged off when it was quiet.

Again, sorry for hijacking the page. I post too much lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

Here's Albert B. Rampage's vote count of the day:

3 - WhoMe? (TonyMontana, DYH, Haut Boy)

2 - Albert B. Rampage (Nocmen, VanDamien)
1 - VanDamien (Blahgo)
1 - Nocmen (Albert B. Rampage)
1 - Occult (WhoMe?)

Not voting: PancakeMix, Darhken, Occult,

I'm not saying I'm perticularly suspicious of you, but I didn't like your last post.

Now, I have a Questionaire:

1) What's Favorite Color?
2) What is your perfered Ice cream flavor?
3) Paper or Plastic?
4) If you could get rid of anyone in this game for being scum, who would it be?
5) What is the Best Movie ever?

That will unnecessarily clutter up the page even more.

[Albert B. Rampage]

DYH, no offense man, but the very core of Nocmen's argumentation was flawed. I thought you had caught that, which made it obvious that Nocmen is either lying or mistaken.

He said I attacked net before and after his slip-up, but how is that claim true in any way ? Look at my

only

relevant post after his slip-up:

Quit whining, there isn't a case on you. If your a townie, just don't provoke any more controversy, and you will naturally survive until the server is fully operational again.

I actually told him he would survive the lynchings. Read between the lines, you can clearly see that I was trying to stop the bandwagon on him.

Well, age and newness aside, net is getting all worked up without even a vote against.

Vote:netixriqua

But shortly after my post and net's slip-up, looky here who starts voting for him. VanDamien himself! If I'm to be accused instead of VanDamien for pushing a bandwagon I was trying to stop by Nocmen, tell me, how can I not believe them to be scumbuddies ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

To put it more bluntly, I was discrediting net for his own sake. Of course I wasn't buying the god theory, but what was I to do ? The mafia would've killed him. His unexpected MODKILL was the worse thing possible to me because:

1. It discredits me with no way of proving I was trying to help the town.

2. Loss of a doctor, and I seem a likely target for a nightkill since I might have stepped on the toes of the wrong people aka Nocmen and/or VD.

Use your logic, DYH.

All my assumptions so far have begun with the premise that Nocmen and VD are scum. I will collect all the evidence on them and that will be my contribution to this society.

Therefore, see it as a conspiracy theory, as OMGUS, as LAL or whatever you want. They are guilty as sin to me. I am certain.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This "slip-up" is ridiculous. I think Net's eager noob play is losing credibility by the minute.

Oh, and I feel like slapping a big fat

FoS

on

Occult

for calling out lurkers 2 hours after the game started. Eager to direct attention somewhere, or just full of bollocks?

Yes I agree. First net with his string of slips, now Occult.

I don't know what to make of this. The meanings and interpretations vary, the verbatims are too ambiguous and we are running in circles.

I will remove my vote, Nocmen, if you do the same. Let's look back at the posts so far, sum up the main events so far and discuss what course of action to take next...okay dude ?

Yes, this post. It only helps me to clear myself. The topic changes as well do nothing but justify what I've previously stated.

Lastly, why would you ask if he was implying a doctor claim if you were truly trying to keep him under the radar?

Why would Nocmen insist on that post pages after the fact ? It was a calculated move to confirm doc's indentity, me says.

Look at the posting times between net's slip and my post. I thought I was being smart about guessing a cue, apparently not.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Look, what has Nocmen done at all to contribute ? He's only pressured net into talking about his doctor theory. Tell me, what good would that do from a townie standpoint ???

He's done nothing but being a nuissance to the town all game, and VD, likewise. Creating chaos with his cross-voting non-sense to free his scum mate Nocmen. Don't embark in their game unless your part of it.

1. Whome?
2. Tony Montana
3. Occult

Why are you redirecting this ? If I think that Nocmen and VD are scum, logic dictates that I concentrate my efforts on them.

[Albert B. Rampage]

1. Of course it clears me, I was trying to direct the discussion somewhere else, and away from net by discrediting the claims of his slip-up.

2. Uh yeah I got carried away

3. The cue that the first to mention the doctor is a doctor. I wasn't the only one as you can see. So much for trying to act smart.

4. I thought the meaning was ambiguous at first. I asked for clarification. Nocmen went on and interpreted his answer. Cut me some slack.

5. Obviously. Put yourself in my shoes. Three people turn on you, 2 of which were on a previous bandwagon and one who you've been voting for from the beginning.

6. You really want to turn as many people against me, do you ? Fine then.

Innocent, innocent, innocent, that's what I think. And ESPECIALLY Whome. I will say that even tough it might convert everyone on his bandwagon to mine, because that's what I believe.

Whome's story is so ridiculous its believable. He only read the first page. Look I'm new to this too, I can understand a mistake like that.

TonyMontana may or may not have been pushing for a bandwagon. I don't see anything substantial as there were others there as well. Including you, I might add.

Occult stating a paranoid town is a good town stroke me as scummy, but his credibility is increasing with every post he makes the way I see it. He has done nothing but made sound decisions so far, never going against the town, unlike some other nice gentlemen, namely Nocmen and VanDamien.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Response to Occult's 168: I have suspected Albert since even though net slip up like that, Albert still criticized net before and after that, claiming that net was scum. Net had basically role claimed, and yet Albert was like "ok, lets lynch him still". That is why I voted for Albert.

See, watch him lie again.

[Albert B. Rampage]

-Who is lying? Nocman or Rampage?

He said I went after net before and

after

his slip.

Nocmen,

Quote Me

.

[Albert B. Rampage]

1. My lack of experience led to me asking if he meant a doctor when he said someone is watching over us. Check the times of posting, I didn't have time to think it over.

2. As I've said, Nocmen INTERPRETED his anwser to say that net was HIMSELF a doctor. Something I never did.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Actually Albert, by post 61, is that not you asking if your assumption of net as a doctor is correct?

No, it isn't because I hadn't read about the "tells that someone's a doctor" page. I asked to link something he said with the game, and wasn't going after him at all, which I think was clear from my posts.

unvote, vote: VanDamien

[Albert B. Rampage]

DYH, what do you think about VanDamien with what I've exposed so far ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

just read the thread again

unvote vote Albert B. Rampage

way back, when netrixqua mention hoping getting a cop, Albert immediately went fishing to see if he was claiming cop. I had thought it was obvious he was merely expressing a hope that we HAD a cop. power role fishing = scummy. He does this again when netrixqua throws out the watching over us comment, but this time hes fishing doctor. Looks scummy to me.

Dude, you reaaaaally don't have the sense of momentum. Re-read everything one more time and tell me why Nocmen doesn't deserve your vote.

DYH, VD, Occult, THANK YOU for finally listening to me. If I had to quote every single time he lied...you know what, I will.

I know that, and I originally just took it as a random accusations to start the game. But here Net has gone and practially told us he is a Doctor from my best guess, and

you still are going after him

.

I will admit I have made mistakes, and no I am not afraid to admit them. The fact that net did turn up Doctor and you had

gone after him both before and after his "slip-up"

makes me feel that you wanted him dead.

I have suspected Albert since even though net slip up like that,

Albert still criticized net before and after that

, claiming that net was scum. Net had basically role claimed, and yet Albert was like "ok, lets lynch him still". That is why I voted for Albert.

And as pointed out by my friends DYH and VanDamien, I never went after net after his slip-up.

Do we have a case on this guy yet ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hah great comeback. You almost had us there.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Of course your implying that by friends I meant scum partners...but it is a weak argument against everything you've lied about so far, my friend.

lol now defend yourself please

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not affiliated with VanDamien in any way.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote

in light of this new information..

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey boy, how credible do you think is this statement ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Bah, I'd rather play it safe for now.

Vote: Whome?

Basically using the evidence gathered by my peers + a bit of OMGUS as DYH is so keen to identify the trend I've created.

[Albert B. Rampage]

O.K., with the premises that you are innocent, what explanation do you have for lying repeatedly, and basing your accusations of me on those lies ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Meh makes sense.

Prime suspects are now:

Nocmen: For lying many times over
Rampage: For asking for clarification from net both times
WhoMe: For his slip-up
Occult: For telling the town to be paranoid

I'm retired for the night.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Actually, Nocmen has not provided any evidence at all that he is not scum. He could be bullshitting us completely.

VanDamien's swiftness to jumping the trigger on me arouses suspicion. It's like Nocmen was free after he claime to be the new doc.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote: VanDamien

For his slip, incoherence, etc.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll keep suspecting you, choose whether I vote for Nocmen based on the information available at the time, which if nothing changes, would be next, and

no longer need my theory for now

: You're scum regardless.

This one, page 7. That means your theory was just fodder to get me lynched from the beginning and has nothing to do with the matter at hand.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Your "new theory" is using elements prior to your cross-voting fodder theory. Care to explain that ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

He meant blahgo shouldn't have claimed they are masons.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey sorry, did I sound a bit condescending ? It's the periods at the end of the sentences, not me, I tell ya!

[Albert B. Rampage]

He's at -3 by mine

[Albert B. Rampage]

F*** you Jordan LOL

[Albert B. Rampage]

(Joke)

" I understand Albert, but why the last 2? "

[Albert B. Rampage]

"taking some arbitrary point in time and ignoring everything before it"

How ironic, that's exactly what you have done. I didn't go power role hunting.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Your still at -3 dude...LOL

[Albert B. Rampage]

5 - WhoMe? (Haut Boy, DYH, Nocmen, TonyMontana, VanDamien)

Vote: WhoMe

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ohhh VanDamien was right, its 6 to block on day1 now..well, either way.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think NAR was the mafia kill, which means VanDaimen was either SK'ed or Vigged. I'm more inclined to think an SK is to blame.

Hm, why is that ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

About SK and mafia kill. Is it something to do with the quarantine ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Good reasoning...

[Albert B. Rampage]

So far, I think Jordan is practically confirmed mason townie.

I have a question for Nocmen tough: who did you protect last night ?

I don't think it could be me, because I've been going at you in the beginning, and Jordan was almost sure not to be a power role. Tony went after you too, and pancakemix has been pretty inactive. You've been protecting DYH or Haut Boy then, I presume ?

Speaking of pancakemix's inactiveness,

Mod:

could you prod him ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'd just like to mention that he stopped suspecting me at the end.

Sorry about double post, but I also think that Occult has some sort of jester role.

What makes you think that?

Also, reviewing my thoughts on Albert, well, it's become clear that Albert plays in a fashion that reads scummy to me, but other than style, I'm not convinced enought that he'd be a decent D1 lynch, that is without more information to compare his responses to someone confirmed.

So,

unvote

.

Anyone want to come forward and announce their scumminess to the world before the deadline hits?

[Albert B. Rampage]

By suspecting, I mean going all-out on a kill Rampage frenzy, that is

At this point, I would like to see everyones reactions to the aftermath of D1, as well as what the replacement of pancakemix has to say before I stir up another controversy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Maybe I'm just learning from my mistakes ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

He was joking. They wished him happy birthday lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

Maybe deep down he did or did not stop suspecting me, but VanDamien admitted that his case was not grounded in enough facts to warrant a lynch, or even a vote for that matter.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm really sorry I've appeared as if I was role-hunting, I really wasn't. I didn't want to help scum kill power roles like I did. If anything, all I originally wanted was clarification, even tough it might ultimately have been bad for the town. I've learned from those mistakes, and I won't repeat them.

The vote bargaining was to create discussion, and somehow trap Nocmen in making a scummy play(eg: unvote and fos me, then going with whatever popular vote was at the time)

The semi-claim was a botched attempt of discouraging votes against me, which was a bad play, now I realize that after completing a few games.

Yeah, all in all, I've made some bad plays and some bad guesses, and I am determined to make it up to the town and redeem myself by re-analyzing every possible scenario and do my best to catch the scum.

Side-note: I never like people who sheepishly vote and then vanish.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I really don't like going with assumptions based on play style. Same reason I don't incorporate plays used in other games, they almost never work.

Thank you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Woah, woah, any explanations for those sudden votes ?

I don't see what's wrong with metagaming, if ABR is acting differently, it's definatly something to look into.

Vote:ABR

Vote: ABR

Should've stuck with this yesterday.

i think your case against rampage is a convincing one

vote: Albert

I'd be happy to share some feelings on others as well, but right now i have to sleep, followed by work.

If your just leeching off Haut Boy's explanations, then here we go:

Post 17 - Haut Boy says I'm not role-hunting, only role-guessing.

Post 61 and 62 - Again he is defending I'm not role-hunting.

Post 69 - He says I'm odd.

Also, the reason why I said that was partly to discourage votes, partly because if I die it will make it easier for the scum to win.

Post 88 - Even tough it might not have been brought up, the mafia would already have their night target. I wasn't the only one to pick up on that, and it wouldn't have made a difference.

Post 99 - He says I'm odd again.

Post 135-137 - Okay, this is probably the most important point, to which I'll have to respond.

The reason I tried to squeeze information out of him, was to force the person I thought was scum to perhaps make a botched claim or slip and get lynched. It only appears as if I made a scummy move because he turned out to be town, but I had no way of knowing that. Also, bear in mind that exchange was fruitless and we didn't learn anything.

So in conclusion, my play is just a bit wild, going with what Occult has been saying is my playstyle anyway. I don't think I deserve to be lynched like this, especially before the replacements become available.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Might as well unvote me, since Occult is coming for me

[Albert B. Rampage]

Might as well unvote me, since Occult is coming for me

I haven't voted for you Albert....

Also hammering without a better discussion hurts the town.

Yes and I have wondered why.

sorry bout my absence.

I'm not liking Tony at all, but i think would should go with an albert lynch. He's playing much more cautious then he usauly does

Maybe you don't really care which townie we want to lynch ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm at -2 now, you can't hammer me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I claim hitech.hifi/User/Townie ?

Argh, don't lynch me, there's not even a deadline yet

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, a claim is overdue, seeing as he's on -1 for the second time this day...

I am all but certain al is a good lynch, but everyone is entitled to a last stand.

I did.

Anyway, if you mislynch and I'm townie, its going to be 3-3 Day2.

If instead you make efforts to make discussion and possibly find the real scum, you could make it 2-1-2 or 3-1-1 with the SK being in the middle.

So...your best chance to win is with the SK, remember that. Either way it will be Ly-Lo, so you ought to thread carefully.

I'm also curious to know who else you think would be scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

...You're lying albert. Not all townies will have the same user name. Before I got my doctor power, I was also a normal townie, but with a different name. susan.carpent,User/Townie to be exact.

Nice try.

No, that's my name. What kind of trap is this, Nocmen ? This is indeed my username and I dismiss your accusation because I am 100% sure that the other townies have that same role as me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

...You're lying albert. Not all townies will have the same user name. Before I got my doctor power, I was also a normal townie, but with a different name. susan.carpent,User/Townie to be exact.

Nice try.

No, that's my name. What kind of trap is this, Nocmen ? This is indeed my username and I dismiss your accusation because I am 100% sure that the other townies have that same role as me.

Well, now you just signed your death order...

Someone kill this scum, already

If you lynch me, its all over for you. Mafia wins. I am the SK. There. I have no safe claims, nothing, nada. I claim

jimmy.late/Script Kiddy/Serial Killer

[Albert B. Rampage]

Someone hammah him.

^

Scum.

Guys, to my best guess, we are 1 SK, 4 townies and 3 mafia.

You lynch me, mafia takes over and wins on N2.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Right, right.

I only claimed to save myself for the window of opportunity that may open:

Town lynchs mafia today, mafia kills town, I kill town. We're down to:

2-1-2

Town lynchs mafia, mafia kills town, I kill mafia or townie and endgame ends in draw or victory for me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Please unvote before mafia returns !?!?!?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I will either kill TonyMontana or Nocmen tonight, they are the most scummy players to me as of yet.

Damn, this is going to be a sluggish bloodbath in endgame!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yep, but I was thinking of lynching TM today

[Albert B. Rampage]

@ABR: Who did you kill last night?

Unvote

The best play here is to lynch scum, not the SK.

VanDamien. He was the one I was most afraid of.

Also, I thought it was the best kill since his last post said that he went after me because of playstyle instead of evidence, so I thought erasing him would be a safe move.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wait just a goddamn minute... Did I miss something, how do you know there are 3 mafias? Isn't the jury out on that one? So where are the "possible scenarios" with 2 mafias?

I think it's moot anyways, since I don't believe your claim one bit, and I think it's a desperate measure of a mobster. "Script Kiddy" just doesn't sound like the SK, which from last nights kill, I would expect to be a Virus...

All of my 12 player games to date had 3 mafia scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, that is very scummy. Why are you trying to convince the town that there might only be 2 mafia ? Isn't best to assume worse case scenario ? In addition, 9-1-2 would be waaay unbalanced in favor of town.

You don't make sense.

Guys, let's vote to either lynch TM today or have me NK him tonight.

I Vote: Lynch him today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

In the improbability that your town, TM, your allowed to vote on the way you are taken out too.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have nothing to say, I know nothing about computers. It is not for me to judge, but to the town to decide what our fates will be. If I am believable, that's out of my control.

Therefore, I will ask for a poll to decide whether to lynch TM today or tonight one last time before I retire.

Good day all, I'm off to work.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lynching a townie today will not guarantee a scum win. However, lyncing the SK will. As much Albert is guilty, We cant NOT lynch the SK today.

Theres 8 left, presumably 4 town, 3 scum, 1 SK.

We lynch town today.
3 town, 3 scum, 1 sk going into night.
Worst case scenario, both hit townies, scum win.
If SK-Scum cross-kill, we get 3 town, 2 scum going into tomorrow.
Or if scum hit town and SK hits scum, left is 2 town, 2 scum, 1 sk.

We lynch SK today.
4 town, 3 scum go into night
Scum hits town, 3-3, scum wins.

If the SK is lynched today, this is an auto-lose for town. By lynching anyone else, we are pressing our luck with hopes that cross-kills and/or same-kills go through.

Now...if you were a townie, would you rather take the auto-loss, or let the NKs decide our fate? I would still like to move on, even if we are fighting a losing battle, we have a slim chance for success.

I enjoy watching how he completely disregarded his doctor ability.

Is this a slip, or is this a clever mafiate that claimed the right thing at the right time ? I tell you guys, I'm getting extremely bad vibes from this guy too.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There is an easy way out for the scum to kill not having to worry about my ability. Take into account the restrictions of the doctor, and you will understand what I mean. There is a way to easily negate the possibility of hitting someone who is doc protected.

Paraphrase please. At this point, we should get all the information we can get. Also, I might NK you if it is something that should be taken into account.

[Albert B. Rampage]

As I said, I would be satisfied with both Nocmen and TM deaths. Look at their history, it is evident that something's gotta give, and it is highly probable that one of these two are mafia.

I would like to know your thoughts on the 3rd, tough.

[Albert B. Rampage]

First of all, mafia may have safe-claims.

Second of all, even if he can't self-protect, he can protect someone else tonight, and thus prevent a kill.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I would like to know your thoughts on the 3rd, tough.

This applies to everybody. I would like everyone to re-read everything and post an analysis, if possible.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Logically, even if Nocmen is killed tonight, he can still protect someone else.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Logically, even if Nocmen is killed tonight, he can still protect someone else.

Can you confirm this, Nocmen ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I am not fully sure how the nights work exactly in each game. If its done by timestamps (the order that the mod receives PMs), then it will be a race to get my pm in before the kill pm. If not, then I can definitely protect someone else.

I never heard of the race one, so I think you have that protect.

Hence the slip I was speaking of on the last page.

[Albert B. Rampage]

But if you are the SK, albert, why would he need to?

Need to what...?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Need to protect anyone.

If mafia chooses to kill town, then they kill nocmen. Then the SK (supposedly you) will try to kill mafia. We then need a mafia kill from the SK, so who the hell is the doc to protect?

The point I was making is that he didn't include the doc protect in his post.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well, you want protection for yourself, of course.. not gonna happen..

Wow, did you see how this guy twists and turns things ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have a question for the town:

Why aren't you all hopping on TM already ????

[Albert B. Rampage]

Logically, even if Nocmen is killed tonight, he can still protect someone else.

And if he protects a townie, theoretically you as the SK are supposed to be killing scum, right? So he's not going to protect your kill target. The mafia is going to kill him, and you are going to kill someone else, so his protection is

moot

.

Vote: ABR

I'd rather take my chances on there only being two scum than to count on:

A) his being truthful about the SK claim

and

B) trusting him to kill the person we choose.

I don't care, I play to win.

If we lynch a town, I kill a townie and mafia kills a townie, town and I loses.

That's why I will have to kill a mafia if we lynch a townie.

If we lynch a mafia, I'm not going to lie to you guys, I will try to kill a townie.

My plan is simply to keep mafia from winning while staying in Ly-Lo until the endgame. That's why we should keep discussion going, for the town to decide who to lynch and I to decide who to kill.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I want to hear from Haut Boy before there's a lynching. If we lynch a townie and Nocmen is really doctor like you all say he is...who is the mafia ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

GG town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I killed Occult, not caring whether he was scum or town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It was 50-50 with Occult, Silmiriel and Haut Boy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There are two mafia, Haut Boy and Silmiriel. Town is Jordan and Nocmen. I am SK.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What do you think about Silmirel ? I saw her online a few moments before yellowbounder made the death scene ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ok, that was WAY TOO SCUMMY.

Vote: Nocmen

Wow. I think he's hoping for a quicklynch with me and his partner.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And wth, do you guys wonder why he's still alive all this time when he claimed doc day 1 ???

I cast my lines, Nocmen bit, here we go.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay, but the mafia killed a mason. There has to be another mason then.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Doesn't matter who claims what in a Ly-lo situation. We have 1 confirmed mason and a SK, 1 townie, and 2 mafia.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think either Nocmen or Sil is scum, with HB 100% scum. He was the one who hammered his partner TM, when he knew that he had lost him. Reading it back, it feels like "sigh...alright, I have to do this or I will look scummy later".

So I think the safest bet would go to Haut Boy today.

Unvote, vote: Haut Boy

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay, if we don't lynch scum today, all 3 of us lose.

If we lynch scum, and both scum and SK target townies, town loses and it ends in draw for SK and scum.

If we lynch scum, and mafia kills town while SK kill mafia, it ends in draw for town and SK.

If we lynch scum, and SK kills town while mafia kills SK, it ends in draw for town and mafia.

This sounds like prisoner's dilemma for me. The question is...what do we do ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nice try, but I call bogus.

Everyone, please vote Haut Boy immediately. We kill Haut Boy and follow Jordan's plan. GG everyone.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You just proved that your mafia, Haut

Let us waste no time and dissect your post:

I didn't kill Albert because I was rather hoping that it wouldn't come to a 2-1-2 like this

(and of course, it did). And I've left Jordan and DYH alone because I felt they were both innocent and my interest was more for getting rid of Mafia, which I managed to help the town accomplish by hammering TonyMontana.

Look at this blatant and in-a-hurry lie. How would it not be 2-1-2 ? What did he expect, that the mafia kill HIM ?!? Certainly not. Then what ? Everybody knows that if Nocmen was doctor, he would protect Jordan. Nocmen can tell you how good I am at guessing his protection

I killed VanDamien because he was giving me the scummiest vibes from D1 besides WhoMe?, and I killed Occult last night because I believed he might be scum. I haven't killed Nocmen in the case that he actually is the doctor, though I really think now that I should have killed him last night.

FoS: Nocmen

I didn't kill Albert because I

was rather hoping that it wouldn't come to a 2-1-2 like this

(and of course, it did). And I've left Jordan and DYH alone because I felt they were both innocent and

my interest was more for getting rid of Mafia

, which I managed to help the town accomplish by hammering TonyMontana.

Please make a re-read guys. I have solid evidence for killing VanDamien. His reason for killing VanDamien is completely fabricated. I killed VanDamien because he went hard after me, and I was scared he would continue going after me the next day. I thought I was safe to kill him since he had retracted some(according to my presentation of his posts to the town; Jordan quickly proved my real intentions and saw through the bluff, as he is witness) of his suspicions against me. My kill on Occult was pretty much random, I thought there was a 50-50 chance of him being mafia, but knew it wouldn't make a difference. I would actually preffered to have hit a town, ANYWAY.

Also, please look at the way Haut Boy says his interest is of getting rid of mafia. How can that be true, if according to his claim, he did NOT kill the claimed SK ?? If he was the SK, he would know 100% that I am mafia, and proceed to NK me that night. The fact that he DIDN'T do so, shows that the interest of the town was the FURTHEST thing from his mind. Just think of it. If his priority was to kill mafia, and he was SK, why didn't he kill the mafia ??? That's why his claim makes NO SENSE.

To clarify my FoS, it is because he has claimed doc and yet still has not turned up dead by Mafia count. I partly didn't kill him in case he was doc, and partly because I was worried about a cross-hit.

Yes, he was worried that the real SK, me, would cross-hit. Again, witness how far his interest is for the town. He wants to kill the most town possible. He contradicted himself, LAL.

In addition, why is it that he hasn't role-claimed the name of his role ? He just said, I'm the SK. Why ?

---

I'm so excited to see you guys reaction to this. Nocmen, when we lynch Haut today, if you really are a doctor, protect me if only for the mountain of evidence I've collected against Haut There's still a mafia left, too, so keep your eyes peeled guys.

[Albert B. Rampage]

MAFIA CROSS-HIT, NOT SK CROSS-HIT! If this isn't twisting my words, I don't know WHAT is! Just because I don't specifically state who I'm worried will cross-hit does NOT say ANYTHING.

Hold on a sec. A cross hit means SK and mafia both targeting the same person, right ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nocmen, read everything I've said. Please. Can you really say that I'm lying ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes. That is what I meant; if I targeted him and the Mafia also did so.

Then I don't understand what you said with "mafia crosskill" and "SK crosskill"

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, Haut Boy, if you really were the SK and Albert had false claimed SK, wouldn't that guarantee him as scum? Why did you not kill him the last night if that was what happened?

Read my post, Nocmen. He lied, end of story. Believe my evidence, if not my word.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well Haut Boy...if you win this one your a really lucky bastard

It's really late here, so I'm going to bed. I hope I don't get nightmares of you

[Albert B. Rampage]

I agree with Haut Boy on one thing, if anything. I've been suspecting Nocmen since the beginning, and voting for Silmiriel might just be playing into his game. Haut Boy is surefire lynch and 100% liar, why can't you guys see ?

As for the mafia's(a.k.a. Haut Boy) reason for wanting me dead over Sil is because I am SK. I have the power to destroy the mafia. I am dangerous.

Think of it, if we lynch Haut Boy, I can simply NK the other one and mafia will lose 100%. Would that be an acceptable risk if you were mafia ? Let's lynch Haut Boy today because what I've said is the truth.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't know why you trust Nocmen so much. I would readily vote Sil out, but if she turns town...

No, really, he fake claimed tracker, SK, lied about his intentions, contradicted himself...why can't you see that ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Everyone's a little racist...sometiiiiimes. Doesn't mean we go around comitting...hate criiiiimes.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Then we have a stalemate.

[Albert B. Rampage]

GG guys

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sil was supposed to quicklynch Haut in the beginning of Day3, but she just vanished. She sent me a pm just before the day and then abandoned me. Hence the reference to seeing her, the threats I sent her way, etc.

I was also planning to save Tony, but it proved impossible once Sil had voted for him.

Anyway, in the end, I was about to strike a deal with Haut Boy, but the mod locked the thread, and I would still attack town in my dying breath for the sake of hacker honor.

I don't understand why Haut didn't kill me N2 tough. All in all, GG. VanDamien got screwed the most in this game lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

And Yellowbounder, WTF ? VIRUS' CAN'T TALK LOL!!

I think the obvious role for the SK would be "Virus/Serial Killer"

Last time I checked, viruses couldn't talk. Die scum.

Hilarious.

[Albert B. Rampage]

lol seriously, what's the DaisyShell ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

What did net do, btw ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't understand why Haut didn't kill me N2 tough.

I didn't want to do what everyone expected the real SK would do to a fake SK. Before you fakeclaimed, though, I did consider infecting you that night.

It was a really terrible move. You couldve gotten lynched, gotten NK'd by me last night, etc.

[Albert B. Rampage]

TYeah, thanks for the game yb! The flavor was great, and a good set-up too. The modkill hurt, but had to happen, of course. It's fine in retrospect to say that perhaps you should have ended the day with that modkill, but from what I've seen, that's not standard practice anyway. Scum made good choices for kills, and deserved the win.

On another note, Albert; by any chance was the "experiment" (you know what I'm talking about) designed to do what it did?

The experiment makes me cry. I was alone, I was afraid. Also, I was working when all hell broke loose.

[Albert B. Rampage]

/in for next Hacker Mafia

YB was one of the most efficient mods I've had to date, always working for us at the speed of light to open the day.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That may have backfired, slightly. Remember when you accused Simireal of being online when day broke? That's the only downside of quick nights. You need night choices, and permission from talk at night groups.

That was a pokey pokey at her for

QUICKLYNCHING

Haut. Geez, she didn't pick up.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sorry Yellowbounder, your 3 SK and 9 townies setup scares the shit outta me. It's like, everybody's alone against the world.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Um... it's 3 SK and 15 townies actually.

AHHHHHHH!

You sir, are a very bad man.