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Post Post #19 (isolation #0) » Tue Apr 22, 2014 12:45 pm

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Just bumping this so that everyone is aware of nuu data
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Post Post #107 (isolation #1) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:51 pm

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These are really interesting stats. You're doing God's work here.
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Post Post #155 (isolation #2) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:37 am

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Playing around with the current Newbie setup:

Vanilla TownieMafia GoonVanilla Townie
Town CopTown Jailkeeper
Town DoctorMafia RoleblockerTown Tracker


Pick any corner and then add the roles in the adjacent cells, one Mafia Goon and five VTs.

Preserves the three most balanced setups from Matrix6 (JK; Cop; Cop, Doc, RB) and gives Town a better PR for the setup which they lose more frequently in Matrix6 (JK, BP, RB becomes JK, Tracker, RB). Downside(?) is 4 setups instead of 6.
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Post Post #156 (isolation #3) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:02 am

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Or if you were willing to trade a more convoluted formulation for more setups:

Vanilla TownieMafia GoonVanilla Townie
Town CopTown 1-Shot BP*Town Jailkeeper
Town DoctorMafia RoleblockerTown Tracker
*or any other weak Town PR

Pick either long diagonal. Then pick the three roles either: along the diagonal, above the diagonal, or below the diagonal and add VTs and Goons for 2:7.

Can also be reformulated as

Vanilla Townie
Town CopMafia Goon
Town DoctorTown 1-Shot BPVanilla Townie
Mafia RoleblockerTown Jailkeeper
Town Tracker

Pick the three roles in either the two top rows, the two bottom rows, the two leftmost columns, the two rightmost columns, the single central row or the single central column and add VTs and Goons for 2:7.

Not sure if that particularly helps tho.
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Post Post #158 (isolation #4) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:19 am

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Well, I've just realised it's unnecessarily complicated anyway: it's equivalent to the following Matrix6 table:

Town CopVanilla TownieMafia Goon
Town DoctorTown 1-Shot BPVanilla Townie
Mafia RoleblockerTown TrackerTown Jailkeeper
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Post Post #159 (isolation #5) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:29 am

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The BP is too weak in that formulation though and should be swapped out with a stronger role. But there's no shortage of candidates.
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Post Post #160 (isolation #6) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:32 am

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Or you could do away with it entirely and restrict the choices to either of two columns or rows, which produces the first setup I came up with tonight. Heh. Yay for accidentally making things needlessly complicated.
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Post Post #162 (isolation #7) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 4:51 am

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I have no dog in the daytalk fight, I'm just trying to modify Matrix6 so that all its subsetups are as close to 50% winrate as possible, and also maybe to freshen things up for players and mods >300 games in.
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Post Post #163 (isolation #8) » Sat Jan 30, 2016 5:10 am

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Just to summarise, my proposal is that we change the current Matrix6 role table with this one:

Town CopVanilla TownieMafia Goon
Town DoctorTown RoleblockerVanilla Townie
Mafia RoleblockerTown TrackerTown Jailkeeper

- preserves JK setup (current Town winrate 50.9%)
- preserves Cop setup (winrate 47.9%)
- preserves RB, Cop, Doc setup (55.8%)
- keeps the power balance mostly the same / potentially slightly increases Town's power by swapping Roleblocker in for Tracker in Doc, Tracker setup (43.8%)
- gives Town more power by swapping Tracker in for BP in JK, RB, BP setup (38.6%)
- gives Town more power by swapping Roleblocker in for BP in BP, Tracker setup (38.0%)

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