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Unvote: John,
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Occult, bandwagons are just a way to make people come out of the woodwork. I don't see how you can FOS me for starting one. It was pretty valuable as I see it.
I also don't like how you're almost assuming John to be town.
Reasons for my vote:
1) His first post:
This was when the bandwagon had just started. I feel you're being overly non-committal by still random voting here. There was enough to comment on.mustafa15 wrote:Random vote: Drain Bead
I think John was just making sure that he understood the basic concept of the game. I agree that it makes him slightly more suspicious than everyone else, but it doesn't warrant a bandwagon quite yet.
2) Jumping on blahgo, which I think is too easy.
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Oh, and a quicklynch is less suspicious in Nightless because the lynch is the only place we can get information, but it's also more important to avoid if possible because of exactly of that. Quicklynching minimises the amount of interaction we can study later.
It's important to make a distinction between quicklynching and a quick bandwagon, though.- VitaminR
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I didn't mean in terms of the John wagon. I mean in terms of the people you do find suspicious. A random vote serves no more purpose if discussion has already been created. It is then just a way of avoiding the discussion.mustafa15 wrote:1. How am I being non-committal? I clearly stated my thoughts on the potential lynch of John.
It wasn't any more suspicious. Did I say so?mustafa15 wrote:2. How was my vote on blahgo more suspicious than anyone elses vote/fos? You're pretty much voting me because I was the last one to say I found blahgo suspicious? And keep in mind that there are now 2 votes on blahgo. It's not like I put him at lynch-1, or 2, or 3. He's at lynch-5 now, not the most dangerous place to be.
It's serious. A townie has no advantage in jokily claiming scum. Scum, however, can think they'll look pro-town with the WIFOMy nature of it.mustafa15 wrote:3. I'm going to assume this isn't serious.- VitaminR
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I really like mustafa's post. now a ranger has a record of being unreliable, irrational and generally trying to screw over the town.Elias_the_thief wrote:
I dont like this post. NAR was scummy, and I dont think he was messing with us. If he was just messing with us he wouldnt of replaced out (I know, ive played in game where he just messes with players).mustafa15 wrote:I think we should give NaR's replacement a clean slate, I think NaR might have just been messing with us.
So yeah, I still think NAR was scum, so theres no reason that his replacement should get to be cleared. I think that perhaps you posted this because you were NAR's scumbuddy. its feasible, youre one of the few players that he didnt vote day 1.
Also, the people who votehop blatantly are not necessarily scum. Moving your vote freely is somewhat advantageous to scum, but if that is quickly lost if you do it too openly. No one is going to join you in your vote and people will suspect you for it.
I don't like the jump on now a ranger at all.
I'm going to vote Occult. He seems incredibly content to push an easy now a ranger wagon, but when it came to the John wagon early on (which had a substantial amount of content for an early wagon) he was very cautious and quick to point out the danger of quicklynching.
I feel you're applying a double standard and I don't like how you're already primed to attack now a ranger's replacement.
I think John and Occult are scum and I would really like to see one of them dead today.
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He is still a rather... unconventional player.Elias_the_thief wrote:1) Ive played in several games with NAR, and I'm used to his style. It seems to me he was trying to play this game seriously. Plus he was close to being banned for his previous behavior, so he has to keep pretty much in line. So i think he not just messing with us. (he probably wouldve claimed something wierd if he was messing with us, rather than ask for a replacement, from my experience with him).
I don't think now a ranger is that obvious.Elias_the_thief wrote:In addition, I think asking for a replacement when there's a lot of pressure on you is suspicious on its own.
Having bad reasons for a vote is not necessarily indicative of scum, but I'd like to hear more about this. I missed it at the time. Could you outline what happened?Elias_the_thief wrote:2) His votehopping was not the only thing that made him suspicious. After his votehopping he lied about my play, and then tried to build a case against me based on his own lies. He went as far as to vote me. If thats not scummy, I dont know what is.
If nar and mustafa are scum together, I doubt mustafa would have been that obvious. It makes me inclined to think of mustafa as town, for limiting the reasons he can use to justify his votes.Elias_the_thief wrote:3) I never said that we should immediately jump on NAR. But I find it suspicious that Mustafa thinks we should completely disregard the behavior of NAR, as it does provide us insight unto his role, and obviously the role of his replacement.- VitaminR
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That reads more like stupidity than scumminess. I'll grant you that it is somewhat scummy, but it is not the hard evidence that I would need to justify the fervour behind this wagon.
It may be WIFOM, but, in my experience, it is accurate. Scum just don't generally behave in obvious ways and on the rare occasions that they do, it shows.Elias_the_thief wrote:And as to the last point of yours, that totally WIFOM, because if we expect scum to not be obvious, theyll just act obv in their intentions. Arguments should never be based on what you would do if you were scum.- VitaminR
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Oh, I don't mean the fact that you didn't jump on. I mean the fact that you pointed out the dangers of quicklynching rather quickly. You didn't have seem to any problems with a fast build-up of votes when it came to now a ranger.Occult wrote:
I'm playing in a few games with john and in those games he has asked a pregame question that ended up racking 4 or 5 votes on him.VitaminR wrote: when it came to the John wagon early on (which had a substantial amount of content for an early wagon) he was very cautious
That's a double standard.
Double standard = scum.
Romanus, I fail to see how a scummary is suspicious.- VitaminR
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I agree with a lot of that analysis.
Elias for me is too much out in the open in his attacks on now a ranger/you. I don't know, I'm just not getting a scum vibe off him.
As for mustafa, after my vote for him we had a brief exchange and he came off looking rather well to me. I went back to voting John because of something he then did. He jumped on blahgo, although I don't quite remember in what fashion.- VitaminR
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Yeah, that was what I was saying.Elias_the_thief wrote:
I'm not sure if "being too out in the open" is much of a scumtell. As I see it, the more you let the town know of your suspicions and opinions, the more they get a read on you, and the more you help the town.VitaminR wrote:
Elias for me is too much out in the open in his attacks on now a ranger/you. I don't know, I'm just not getting a scum vibe off him.- VitaminR
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You're too out in the open to be scum.Elias_the_thief wrote:I'm confused. You call me suspicious for being too out in the open about my opinions. Then I make a post explaining how its good for town if everyone expresses their opinions fully, and you agree with it? Could you elaborate on how that is what you meant? Or are you saying that being "too" out in the open is good? Im just really confused, and some clarification would be nice.- VitaminR
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1. It was clarification of something I said earlier.TonyMoonshine wrote:FoS VitaminR
he flat out said someone couldn't be Mafia. This is a weak case and it was quick review. I'll see where it goes from here.
2. It only concerned one aspect of his behaviour.
3. If you do care, Elias is town.
Occult, I don't see a double standard. I attacked John and defended nar. They did different things.
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Nah, I accused you of a different point of view on whether or not it is bad that a wagon develops quickly.Occult wrote:And that's where the double standard comes in. You accused me of defending john while attacking NAR. Saying my double standard was scummy.
As for IH jumping on the John thing: yeah, that was suspicious, but I don't see how IH following my vote equals a connection between us. You could argue for a connection between the first and second voter of any wagon based on that.
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I agree. I believe my reason is clear. I'm voting you for a double standard concerning the speed with which the John and now a ranger's wagons built up.Occult wrote:I would suggest having everyone post their resons for voting or not voting me before you actually lynch me. That way you know everyone's stance after you get the results from the lynch. I believe this will be much more beneficial for the town.- VitaminR
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Skruffs, I could have very well used the word "definitely." I'm fairly confident mustafa is town and I often use overblown rhetoric.
mustafa, I don't think the two situations are comparable.
1) My adamance in that game was put on. It was a show.
2) I always push for lynches like this. When I say "We need two more votes, people", it is just an indication that I believe in this lynch. I feel enough time has passed this Day 1 and we could do with some information.- VitaminR
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I'm suspicious because I was good scum in one game and because I put on a second vote?John wrote:Okay, first, i want toFoS: VitaminRbecause in another game i was with him, he was scum, and very good scum at that. this seems like a subtle attempt to start a bandwagon.
I've been consistently suspicious of you this Day 1.
1) You're playing nothing like you were in our last game, in which you were the doctor. (We endgamed him), for these reasons:
- You're not voting.
- You're not hunting scum.
- Your opinions are nowhere near as clear.
2) Your pre-game question.
3) Your easy vote for blahgo.
4) The points raised by Skruffs.
I really think John would make a great lynch.
As for mustafa, he was nervous and jumpy as scum when I played with him. He's not like that at all now.- VitaminR
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As far as my case against John is concerned, only 1) is a metagame reason and all the arguments used to support it can be seen as valid indicators of scumminess regardless.Romanus wrote:Just for the record, I don't believe in metagaming at all. I will not denounce anyone for stating their opinions on people's play compared to other games, but it will be of no consequence to me and will be ignored.- VitaminR
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No real reasoning.MissMoo wrote:Scruffs: NAR was all kinds of weird (from what I gather from "the tale of the missing posts"). He freaks out and calls Scruffs in to save him. Then Skruffs comes in as Nar's replacement with his "NAR is selfless and thinking of the town" post. It just strikes me as "off".
Eh?MissMoo wrote:Mustafa: Broken computer, which means he won't be able to be active, yet he isn't asking to be replaced. With the lack of activity here, broken computer is a great opportunity to ask for a replacement, unless you're scum.
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Umm... yeah, it was page 1. I didn't have a great reason. I said so. My votes is no longer based on that. At all.MissMoo wrote:VitR: I think scum would have a good idea of what their role entailed and wouldn't ask questionsin the threadif they needed further clarification; I think VitR knows that too and was only trying to start an early bandwagon. He also stands up for Mustafa and pushed for an Occult lynch rather than a majority vote or more activity.
I've explained the Mustafa thing. Yeah, I thought there had been enough activity and I believed an Occult lynch was a good one.
I agree with Aimee here.
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Why? I think John was scum. That means you're scum too. I can't help it if that makes your situation difficult.YogurtBandit wrote:Someone please tell me how Johns actions are half of the reasons of my votings. I am not John! Its not like he said " Im John and Im Mafia." No!Yeah, you can lay suspicon on him, but whoever voted me because of him, better give me a good explanation that doesnt include him.Im serious, Proably 3 of the 4 votes are JOHNS votes! I can see getting Lynched because of me, but of John? No.
Also Aimee, Stop refering to me as John. Call me Yogurt Bandit. Or Yb. But not John.
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If it helps, your overreaction to Aimee's FOS, including the "bandwagoning is a VERY well-know scum tell" bit, was incredibly scummy.- VitaminR
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My reasons for voting IH after re-reading:
1) He followed my John vote very easily in the beginning of Day 1, saying "good catch there, VitR." It felt like a scumbuddy bus to me at the time and it still does. Way too confident in the strength of the tell I found.
2) There was a resurgence of the John wagon towards the end of Day 1 (Skruffs voted John, I joined him, and then Romanus and Aimee). Following this, there were a couple of pages of discussion about whether or not Occult or John would make the better lynch. Crucially, IH's input was somewhat missing from this and he stayed on the Occult vote. He didn't really mention John and subsequently came out with a Tony vote Day 2.
Strangely enough (because he's been giving me pretty strong town vibes throughout the game), mustafa also struck me on the re-read. He sort of deflected the early John wagon by jumping on blahgo and I seem to remember he did something to encourage the Occult wagon in that crucial Occult vs John period. I have to look that last one up again, though.- VitaminR
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The thing about mustafa is that my gut is telling me he is town, but some of his actions concerning John are pretty advantageous to scum.Guardian wrote:Vitr looks kinda scummy still. He has now changed his stance on Mustafa, which is interesting. Mustafa did support the Occult lynch though...
Musafa could be scum. I have no strong read on him...
I didn't like the way she never hammered yesterday, while harping on about how she would. Also, she kept asking for the deadline to be revoked. That felt like a scumbuddy trying to buy time.Guardian wrote:There is definitely a case on Aimee... but she is nowhere near most suspicious. I definitely don't think she is the play for today.
I think both of these are town.Guardian wrote:BM and Romanus really went at it for stupid reasons, but I still think Romanus is more likely town than scum.
I agree with this.Guardian wrote:Elias is the most townlike of everyone. He built a good case against Skruffs and was open to other's opinions, and was actively suspicious.
Also, the Tony case shifted attention away from John.Guardian wrote:IH still looks scummy as hell. I didn't like his case against Tony, as Tony just seems like a new player trying to play this game well.
I disagree. His position on the John wagons is also giving me a good feeling.Guardian wrote:Skruffs continues to look pretty scummy.
I've been toying with this idea too. Really there are not enough posts from this role, though.Guardian wrote:One thing that is kinda new: There is a possibility HB is scum. Miss moo supported the Occult wagon with little reasoning, and got a townie lynched. She then targeted mustafa for not so great reasons.
And, to finish, I think Guardian is town. He is thorough and shares all of his suspicions. I also agree with a lot of his assessment and not one of them feels constructed.- VitaminR
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An overview of Aimee's posts pertaining to YogurtJohn:Aimee wrote:FOS: Blahgo
Any particular reasons for simply jumping on the bandwagon against John?Aimee wrote:
Why the lack of any reasons? What are your reasons for choosing John?Skruffs wrote:Lucky page 13.
Vote : JohnAimee wrote:I agree with Skruffs' case against John, which seems very plausible. may move my vote away from Tony, but only nearer the deadline.
After this vote Tony voted John too.Aimee wrote:unvote
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For the case given by Skruffs and VitaminR I shall move my vote to John, who I believe is the best lynch target for today.[/b]
This prompted:Aimee wrote:Wow, not liking Tony's vote against John at all. I am tempted to vote against Occult nearer the deadline, especially since it could give a good idea of Tony's alignment as well. As IH says, Occult is the best target, and the fact he can't even come up with a defense himself shows how weak and scummy even he knows his actions were.
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Mod: When is the deadline, e.g. what time, and what timezone?Aimee wrote:Er, that's slightly stretching, Romanus. I am just naturally reluctant at putting anyone at L-1.
Three things:Aimee wrote:Will hammah later, unless there is a major objection.
1) FOSed blahgo for his easy third vote on John
2) Switched to Occult at a moment when Tony's vote had made John the leading lynch candidate
3) Repeatedly asked for the deadline to be retracted (which would and did spell the end for YB)
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There are still a lot of good points against you. I noticed a couple of things about Aimee that could potentially be very suspicious, but I want to hear her side of things in her words before I make up my mind.IH wrote:Considering VitR's response to one of my posts I am curious as to why he is still voting me.
I may have liked that one post (not because of anything in it, but because it seemed sincere), but that doesn't mean I'm going to disregard the posts you made that were scummy.- VitaminR
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IH wrote:fos:aimeeI hate the wording of that last post.IH wrote:
False dillemma. First she starts off between just choosing between me and John. Then she seems to try and continue that train of though, but actually tries to open it up to all range of players. Do you see what I mean.Aimee wrote:uot;]If I had to choose between John and IH, I would pick John. IH isn't the target today really. I will vote YogurtBandit, unless he comes up with some reasons why I shouldn't.
First she just includes the two of us.
Then she says I'm not the target for today really, which then opens up to the whole scope of the town.
Then she makes it out as if we could be the only two targets, and will vote him if he doesn't come up with any other reasons.
FOS:AimeeAimee wrote:I would disagree. Tony, you may seem like an easy target, but there are a lot of people gunning for YoghurtBandit, making him an easier target. If IH was merely going for an easy target, he would pick Yoghurt/John.Aimee wrote:If I had to choose between John and IH, I would pick John. IH isn't the target today really. I will vote YogurtBandit, unless he comes up with some reasons why I shouldn't.Aimee wrote:Sorry I didn't hammer. I had an end of exams party last night. Obviously, it didn't matter too much.
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Lol.IH wrote:You say we use the same logic, but it wastruelogic. I don't understand what point you're trying to make. That we were both correct, so therefore we both are scum?
Guardian, I've agreed with a lot of what IH and Skruffs have said. So yeah, then I'll defend them and use their reasoning. Scumbuddies try to hide links. Saying someone is pro-town is not a connection.- VitaminR
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I've been letting this game slide a bit... sorry.
For one thing:Unvote: IH
Haven't been too sure about that one since I cast it and I'm not really up-to-date so it's seems strange to keep it on.
I'll do a brief look at Guardian's case now and try to do something more substantial tomorrow.
3), 4) and 5) I really don't see all that strongly. His 1) and 2) were pretty much my initial reasons for voting IH.Guardian wrote:IH is scummy case
Hey, before I go back and re-read, I want to lay out why I think IH is scummy. I'll just list the reasons:
1)Connection with John.
2)Leading a wagon away from John and onto Occult.
3)Trying to lynch people for bad reasons.
4)Anti-town, misleading logic, about how we have lives to give.
5)Responding to people's suspicions with appeasing actions/going with the flow.
They are these, btw:
I like a lot of IH's posts today, but I still think these reasons are valid. I don't personally see them as that important any more, but I can understand the significance Guardian attaches to them. I'm less sure about his other reasons. They strike me as "padding."VitaminR wrote:1) He followed my John vote very easily in the beginning of Day 1, saying "good catch there, VitR." It felt like a scumbuddy bus to me at the time and it still does. Way too confident in the strength of the tell I found.
2) There was a resurgence of the John wagon towards the end of Day 1 (Skruffs voted John, I joined him, and then Romanus and Aimee). Following this, there were a couple of pages of discussion about whether or not Occult or John would make the better lynch. Crucially, IH's input was somewhat missing from this and he stayed on the Occult vote. He didn't really mention John and subsequently came out with a Tony vote Day 2.
I think Guardian has good intentions, though. I still think he's town. Outlining a huge case like that makes him very vulnerable and the fact that there are gaps doesn't necessarily make him scum.
My stance at the moment is essentially that I don't want IH or Guardian lynched today.
I'll look at more tomorrow.- VitaminR
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Well... because you still did it? The fact that others did it too, and possibly in a scummier fashion, doesn't mean I should ignore it when looking at a pattern of behaviour. Also, the FoS is part of what makes it suspicious to me. It's a very subtle of directing suspicions, and, because it's only really based on one action in this case, it doesn't really tie you down to anything.Aimee wrote:
1. Blahgo's vote was at that time suspicious and I expressed my suspicion against him. In fact, I was only the third person (behind Occult and Elias) to express any suspicion against Blahgo. IH and Mustafa followed me, and both as a result are more suspicious than I am (for that actions anyway).VitaminR wrote: Three things:
1) FOSed blahgo for his easy third vote on John
2) Switched to Occult at a moment when Tony's vote had made John the leading lynch candidate
3) Repeatedly asked for the deadline to be retracted (which would and did spell the end for YB)
I'd like to see Aimee address these points.
Why do you consider that suspicious on my part. Before me, Blahgo had one vote and a FoS against him. And I only added a FoS, therefore I fail to see why this is a major point against me.
You still added significant momentum to the John wagon and then took it away after Tony added a vote. It played a big role in why Occult was eventually lynched.Aimee wrote:2. "Leading lynch candidate" is incorrect - Tony's vote made it a tie. I changed my vote, because I went back to read a post earlier made by IH, which clearly gave his reasoning for voting Occult. I saw those reasons as more convincing than those against John, and adding other things (Occult's defeatist attitude), I saw Occult as the leading candidate.
You bought scum time?Aimee wrote:3. I dislike deadlines. I would much rather that we had free discussion unhindered by pressure to lynch. I wanted more discussion and more analysis to occur on day 2. Again, failing to see how that was suspicious.
Yeah, but not one of those people did all of those things. It's the pattern of behaviour that's important. Your FoS of me here is very OMGUSy. Also, the "other people did it too so it's not suspicious"-argument is pretty tenuous.Aimee wrote:Tony later says in post 567 that several players said they wanted the deadline revoked. This matches with the earlier points. Other people voted and FoSed Blahgo. Other people switched to Occult and other people wanted the deadline revoked. To put all these against me seems, again, stretched.
FoS: VitaminR
I think I'll go with a:
Vote: Aimee
The people I want lynched:
Aimee
HautBoy
TonyMoonshine
The people I really want to keep alive:
Skruffs
Guardian
Romanus
I'm ambivalent about mustafa, would probably put Elias in the first camp and IH in the second, if forced to make a choice.- VitaminR
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I realise that and I find that suspicious.Aimee wrote:I didn't say you should ignore it. I found it suspicious - therefore I gave it a FoS, a recognised symbol of suspicion. Was it suspicious enough to get a vote? No. Was it suspicious enough to get a FoS? Yes.
You caused a 2 vote shift in the John-Occult thing at a pretty significant moment. I'd call that a big part.Aimee wrote:Yes, I played a part. That I can accept. A big part? I would disagree. I don't really see why my vote is being targetted here, rather than anyone else's. After all, I only put Occult at -2, and then Miss Moo and you voted for him, causing his lynch. I don't see why my vote in particular caused "significant momentum".
Eh? In general, yes. In this case, asking for more time = more time for scum.Aimee wrote:I don't understand how wanting more discussion actually buys scum more time. More discussion = beneficial to the town, not detrimental.
(I think you're scum, this means you would know who the other scum are).
I strongly disagree. All these things might not be scummy in a vacuum, but in the context of this game they constitute two attempts at derailing a wagon on scum and buying scum time.Aimee wrote:I find this very stretched. I put a FoS on someone who was suspicious. I put a vote on the person who I believed was suspicious (and the best lynch of that day). Asking for the deadline to be retracted I don't see as suspicious whatsoever. Also my FoS on you was because your case was, and still is, highly stretched and doesn't at all amount to reasons that should be used for an effective lynching at this stage.
HautBoy hasn't said a thing and MissMoo was scummy. Tony I have no real read of, so I'd prefer him dead to make sure I'm not missing anything.Aimee wrote:The people I want lynched:
Aimee
HautBoyWhy?
TonyMoonshineWhy?
I changed my mind about you. It happens.Elias_the_thief wrote:Huh? fos: Vit.
Right now I'm looking at a pairing of Vit and Romanus. They both call eachother very townlike, and Vit seems to completely ignore my attacks/case against Romanus and calls him town. Also, Vit seems to have forgotten his protown notion of me in favor of thinking I'm scummy as soon as Romanus posts his very weak attack on me. Though I still think Romanus is the play today as opposed to Vit.
Gut says Romanus is town. Take that whatever way you want to.
Eh? What?Elias_the_thief wrote:Scum would want a deadline to force a bad lynch. What are you talking about Vit?
But... John was scum, Elias...
A bad lynch is an innocent townie. John was not an innocent townie.- VitaminR
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Deadlines in general have nothing to do with the situation. It wasn't a deadline in general, it was a deadline in context. Deadline = bad for scum. We now know this.
It's not about whose logic is best, Elias. Yes, Romanus comes out of that exchange looking worse than you, but that only really goes to show that you're taking more time to construct logical arguments.
I thought you were somewhat insincere in them. Not really a big thing and the fact that you're my fourth lynching candidate isn't really all that significant.
Why Romanus is town? Gut.
Mainly, the thing that is bothering me about you is that you're very much asking for logical arguments and expecting everything to be justified in what people say. Every Mafia player uses gut to some extent and it is very easy to poke holes in people's case by going for logic. Romanus seems much fairer in his judgement in that aspect.- VitaminR
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The linkage thing?Guardian wrote:Vitr, you said my case(s) deserved addressing; will you address the first one?
I thought I already responded to that. In any case, I think you're drawing conclusions that are way too strong from fairly normal group behaviour.
It's intended like a roadmap. If we lynch those people, we should catch all the scum eventually.Guardian wrote:Also, Vitr, I don't like how your reason for suspecting Tony is because you can't get a read on him. I favor suspecting people I am getting a scummy vibe from, not a non-vibe...
I forgot HautBoy was replaced by STD. STD hasn't really posted anything that sways me either way, though.- VitaminR
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This is very true. It is mostly just a marker of my suspicions at this point.Romanus wrote:Wanting to lynch certain people is not the same as forming a club. His road map is about him and him alone, the people that he wishes to lynch in the order he wishes to lynch them. Almost everyone puts up lists of likely scum, which could be seen, and actually is, the same thing. You, however, have come up with a scheme by which to suspend the game and get three other players into a endgame situation. Your idea is to cut off any discussion, ignore any amount of info we may get along the way and speed to the finish.
VitR simply stated who he wanted lynched. This is almost inherently states that it will change as things develop, as your plan does not allow. - VitaminR
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