NY 167: COMPLETELY NORMAL Mafia (GAME OVER)

fferyllt · Post Post #2845 (isolation #0) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:38 am

There was some really good town play in this game. I was super impressed with Yessirree, Ceph, Guyett, TiP and Toomai. Hermy also. Jacob lurked hardcore, and we thought we'd eventually be able to mislynch him, but probably not with the JOAT.

RC I was recently fake-guiltied by another player who wouldn't retract the gambit because he couldn't read my reaction as town. I was lynched. You happened to be right, but I have no respect for the way you handled the gambit. Recent experience makes me extremely skeptical of people who fake-claim guilties and don't treat it as a data acquisition exercise. Trying to strong-arm your read that way is risky as fuck. It lost town the game on day 4 when it happened to me. I don't think town was in a position to win that game, but it didn't have to be such a curbstomp.

fferyllt · Post Post #2847 (isolation #1) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:40 am

And I already quoted that early day 1 post by MVP where he nailed the entire scum team.

fferyllt · Post Post #2850 (isolation #2) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 8:43 am

GiF claimed authorship of that list.

fferyllt · Post Post #2859 (isolation #3) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:16 am

In post 2858, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 2845, fferyllt wrote:There was some really good town play in this game. I was super impressed with Yessirree, Ceph, Guyett, TiP and Toomai. Hermy also. Jacob lurked hardcore, and we thought we'd eventually be able to mislynch him, but probably not with the JOAT.

RC I was recently fake-guiltied by another player who wouldn't retract the gambit because he couldn't read my reaction as town. I was lynched. You happened to be right, but I have no respect for the way you handled the gambit. Recent experience makes me extremely skeptical of people who fake-claim guilties and don't treat it as a data acquisition exercise. Trying to strong-arm your read that way is risky as fuck. It lost town the game on day 4 when it happened to me. I don't think town was in a position to win that game, but it didn't have to be such a curbstomp.
It was a data acquisition exercise.

Their reactions were mutually awful so I knew they were scum after it.

My blinders from the previous game are firmly in place. :/

Thing is, the way AFB reacted in this game was precisely what the other player was looking for from me in the other game, and precisely not how I react as town to something I know has to be a gambit. I have no confidence at all that you would have seen how I actually did react to be a town reaction.

fferyllt · Post Post #2860 (isolation #4) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:19 am

And to expand on that, IMO you should have copped to the gambit and then explained why their reactions were scum reactions and let town as a whole be the judge, not continued to push it through as a lie. In the game I'm talking about, even after hammer the other player was convinced I was scum. It was one of the most myopic displays I've ever seen in a game. If he'd admitted the gambit I think town would have set him straight about his misread.

fferyllt · Post Post #2862 (isolation #5) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:25 am

In post 2861, JacobSavage wrote:Really Sorry I'm going to have to /repalace out.

This is due to someone saying something about this in another thread.

Probably because the game is over! Congrats!

fferyllt · Post Post #2865 (isolation #6) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:29 am

In post 2863, RadiantCowbells wrote:If I had admitted it I'd have been lynched and then AFB and MC wouldn't have been at that point, or perhaps ever.

If town wants to be blind I will do the heavy lifting myself.

This is an attitude that I won't tolerate when town. Not after what happened to me in the Space mini. It will net a policy lynch if I have reason to think you're fake-claiming on someone.

I hope you take that under consideration in the games that we play together, if not in games as a whole.

fferyllt · Post Post #2869 (isolation #7) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 11:40 am

It doesn't even have to be immediately. It needs to run long enough to get reactions from most or all players, not just the target. But, it does need to be retracted and the hammer should not fall on a fake-claimed guilty. If the player you target inexplicably flips town, then you've made yourself vigbait or the next lynch.

That's exactly what happened to the player who fake-claimed the guilty on me.

fferyllt · Post Post #2872 (isolation #8) » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:08 pm

In post 2871, RadiantCowbells wrote:
In post 2867, Cephrir wrote:
In post 2863, RadiantCowbells wrote:If I had admitted it I'd have been lynched and then AFB and MC wouldn't have been at that point, or perhaps ever.

If town wants to be blind I will do the heavy lifting myself.
If you admitted it almost immediately, you wouldnt be lynched over it. Then it's just a reaction test.
Then he doesn't get lynched.

I think you seriously underestimated this town. Like, insultingly so. But, the town would actually be a better judge of that than I would.